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The Director's Chair => Quentin Tarantino => Topic started by: jenkins on December 03, 2017, 05:47:53 PM

Title: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on December 03, 2017, 05:47:53 PM
QuoteSet in Los Angeles in the summer of 1969, Tarantino's upcoming movie focuses on a male TV actor who's had one hit series and is looking for a way to get into the film business. His sidekick—who's also his stunt double—is looking for the same thing. The horrific murder of Sharon Tate and four of her friends by Charles Manson's cult of followers serves as a backdrop to the main story.

August 9, 2019 release date. 50th anniversary of the Tate murders..

Budget estimated at $100mil. Production rumored for June 2018 in Los Angeles.

Brad Pitt is reportedly rumored for the detective role who investigates the murders; Jennifer Lawrence is repoedly rumored for a role as a member of the Manson Family; Margot Robbie will reportedly be doing the role of Sharon Tate.

Jared Leto stated on an interview Conan in 2017 that he was offered the role of Charles Manson.
Title: Re: #9
Post by: wilberfan on December 03, 2017, 06:10:19 PM
Quote from: jenkins on December 03, 2017, 05:47:53 PM
QuoteSet in Los Angeles in the summer of 1969, Tarantino's upcoming movie focuses on a male TV actor who's had one hit series and is looking for a way to get into the film business. His sidekick—who's also his stunt double—is looking for the same thing. The horrific murder of Sharon Tate and four of her friends by Charles Manson's cult of followers serves as a backdrop to the main story.

Budget estimated at $100mil.

Jesus.  $100,000,000.00 is a lot of money. 
Title: Re: #9
Post by: Drenk on December 03, 2017, 06:42:20 PM
I hope Jared Leto won't be the new Mélanie Laurent.
Title: Re: #9
Post by: jenkins on December 03, 2017, 06:46:28 PM
i gotta admit that i wouldn't mind being generally bothered by the actor chosen to play Manson.
Title: Re: #9
Post by: Lempwick on December 03, 2017, 11:59:17 PM
Quote from: jenkins on December 03, 2017, 05:47:53 PM
QuoteSet in Los Angeles in the summer of 1969, Tarantino's upcoming movie focuses on a male TV actor who's had one hit series and is looking for a way to get into the film business. His sidekick—who's also his stunt double—is looking for the same thing. The horrific murder of Sharon Tate and four of her friends by Charles Manson's cult of followers serves as a backdrop to the main story.

August 9, 2019 release date. 50th anniversary of the Tate murders..

Budget estimated at $100mil. Production rumored for June 2018 in Los Angeles.

Brad Pitt is reportedly rumored for the detective role who investigates the murders; Jennifer Lawrence is repoedly rumored for a role as a member of the Manson Family; Margot Robbie will reportedly be doing the role of Sharon Tate.

Jared Leto stated on an interview Conan in 2017 that he was offered the role of Charles Manson.

For the Mary Harron film presumably, not this. 
Title: Re: #9
Post by: jenkins on December 04, 2017, 12:03:22 AM
that's a nice catch
Title: Re: #9
Post by: jenkins on January 13, 2018, 01:03:28 PM
EXCLUSIVE (http://deadline.com/2018/01/leonardo-dicaprio-quentin-tarantino-manson-movie-casting-1202241971/): Leonardo DiCaprio has said yes to starring in Quentin Tarantino's new movie, which will reteam the actor and director from 2012's Django Unchained. The new film, Tarantino's ninth as director, was scooped up by Sony and already has an August 9, 2019 release date. The deal is expected to close soon, and this will become DiCaprio's first film since he won the Oscar for The Revenant.
Title: Re: #9
Post by: Robyn on February 02, 2018, 09:51:59 AM
more on leo's role (http://deadline.com/2018/01/leo-dicaprio-quentin-tarantino-film-gender-argument-wrong-mark-wahlberg-michelle-williams-all-the-money-in-the-world-1202244988/)

QuoteWhat he plays, more specifically, is an actor who had his own Western show, Bounty Law, that ran on the air from 1958 to 1963. His attempt to transition to movies didn't work out and in 1969 — the film is set at the height of hippy Hollywood movement– he's guesting on other people's shows while contemplating going to Italy which has become a hotbed for low-budget Westerns.

Title: Re: #9
Post by: Something Spanish on February 07, 2018, 12:41:51 PM
Ya'll think SONY will drop #9 now after his ignorant defense of Polanski in 03 has resurfaced? Shouldn't all of the Academy voters who awarded him best director that year also get equally slammed? It's crazy when a 15 year old Howard Stern interview can tank your $100 milli movie.
Title: Re: #9
Post by: jenkins on February 07, 2018, 03:02:38 PM
idk, no one knows. adding to the complexity of the situation is the fact that Polanski deserves sympathy regarding the murder of Sharon Tate. i don't even like to type that sentence but of course he does. i don't like to type that sentence because potential sympathy for Polanski doesn't outweigh, isn't more important than, the tragedy of Sharon Tate's murder. the cause is more devastating than the effect.

and the problem is that illuminating that type of sympathy, provoking that type of sympathy, misplaces emotions for a man who committed an indefensible act. so even if QT wipes away his defense, there's still the matter of Polanski in his movie. although it's better for both him and us that this is being considered sooner rather than later, it's not an easy situation.
Title: Re: #9
Post by: Alethia on February 28, 2018, 10:06:38 PM
"Once Upon a Time In Hollywood"

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/brad-pitt-leonardo-dicaprio-quentin-tarantinos-manson-movie-1202713925/ (http://variety.com/2018/film/news/brad-pitt-leonardo-dicaprio-quentin-tarantinos-manson-movie-1202713925/)

Oh, I'm excited.
Title: Re: #9
Post by: ono on February 28, 2018, 10:15:00 PM
Bad title.  Cliche, overlong, and doesn't tell you much of anything.
Title: Re: #9
Post by: Gold Trumpet on March 01, 2018, 01:33:05 PM
Title isn't great, but he's such a Leone disciple that his career dictated he had to use a variation of "Once Upon A Time" at some point. Just getting it out of the way here.
Title: Re: #9
Post by: Alethia on March 01, 2018, 04:22:19 PM
I dig it. Ten years ago I might have scoffed, but not now. (Frankly, I think #9 would have worked as a title, too.)
Title: Re: #9
Post by: jenkins on March 02, 2018, 05:58:19 PM
in many other holly scenarios DiCaprio and Pitt would be friends in some lame ass movie i couldn't give two fucks about, and it's because of QT that i can imagine this movie feeling another way.

the choice of Once Upon a Time In Hollywood taps into a global cultural identity which is always a bit lame and totally always what QT does i think it has a shade of beauty.

so they live next to Polanski/Tate's home. Polanski's name is still mentioned. only QT. if everyone'll commit to it he'll pull it off in some way i'm not currently imagining from his specific perspective.
Title: Re: #9
Post by: OpO1832 on March 06, 2018, 01:05:12 PM
Sharon Tate used to work out with Bruce Lee who played Kato in Green Hornet I would kill for a Bruce Lee cameo
By 1970 the Spaghetti western was dead so perhaps we can get them thinking about going to Italy to shoot one
Blaxploitation films were about to be big

anyone got the script
Title: Re: #9
Post by: Robyn on March 09, 2018, 10:58:49 AM
tarantino titles is always the least surprising thing ever. this is the 4th title a row that is almost completely stolen.

i'm expecting a huge box office success despite the backlash. maybe his biggest ever? the cast seems to be ridiculously a-list.
Title: Re: #9
Post by: jenkins on March 13, 2018, 03:01:00 PM
(https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/margot-robbie-sharon-tate.jpg)

EXCLUSIVE: Deadline broke last July 11 that Quentin Tarantino had met with Margot Robbie and asked her to play Sharon Tate in his next film. She now has the offer and negotiations are underway to make it a reality. (http://deadline.com/2018/03/margot-robbie-sharon-tate-quentin-tarantino-film-leonardo-dicaprio-brad-pitt-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-1202336947/)
Title: Re: #9
Post by: Drenk on March 13, 2018, 04:05:00 PM
What if it does his old trick again and she is saved by the power of cinema...I really dislike this aspect of Basterds.
Title: Re: #9
Post by: WorldForgot on March 13, 2018, 06:00:27 PM
Roman Dies and Sharon Lives
Title: Re: #9
Post by: Alethia on March 13, 2018, 06:03:38 PM
I wonder if the actual murders will be depicted. I kind of hope not. I've gotten to know the case pretty intimately as of the last year or so and shudder at the thought of a typically Tarantinoan depiction of these sad, unspeakably horrifying crimes. I somehow doubt he'd get too revisionist with it, though, a la Basterds. We'll see.
Title: Re: #9
Post by: Drenk on March 13, 2018, 07:21:42 PM
From what I understand, it will be in the background. I can imagine the main characters going to a Sharon Tate party, really excited about it, etc.
Title: Re: #9
Post by: Reel on March 13, 2018, 08:46:10 PM
I've had an image in my head of Leo casually strolling down the road and there seems to be a big calamity going on in the house, but knowing their antics as neighbors he assumes it's a rollicking party that's just gotten a wee bit out of control..
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on May 02, 2018, 09:17:00 PM



Also, isn't it time we changed the title of this thread to "Once Upon a Time In Hollywood" ?
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on May 08, 2018, 05:13:31 PM
Wow.  I'd love to see Reynolds as Spahn!  (Although given his famous sour-pussery with Boogie Nights, hard to imagine he'd be comfortable with sexy Manson Girl scenes.  Still.  I'd love to see him in the part.)

Quentin Tarantino Cast Thickens: Burt Reynolds To Star, Tim Roth, Kurt Russell, Michael Madsen Play Small Roles


QuoteEXCLUSIVE: Quentin Tarantino is expanding the cast of his upcoming film Once Upon A Time In Hollywood. He is in talks with Burt Reynolds to play George Spahn, and also in early discussions with his The Hateful Eight co-stars Tim Roth, Kurt Russell and Michael Madsen to play smaller roles in the film. They would join Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt, who are already set.


Reynolds has a great role in front of him, maybe the best one the iconic Deliverance star has gotten since Boogie Nights. Spahn was an 80-year old near blind man who rented his LA ranch out to be used as the location for Westerns. Charlie Manson convinced Spahn to allow him and his followers to live on the ranch, in the months before they murdered Sharon Tate and six others. In exchange for rent, Manson coerced his female followers into hopping into bed with the ranch owner, and serving as his seeing eye guides, per reports.


Source (https://deadline.com/2018/05/quentin-tarantino-burt-reynolds-george-spahn-manson-ranch-owner-tim-roth-kurt-russell-michael-madsen-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-sony-1202385014/)
Source (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/burt-reynolds-talks-join-leonardo-dicaprio-quentin-tarantinos-manson-movie-1109749)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on May 08, 2018, 06:05:28 PM
Would Michael Madsen still have a career without QT?
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Reel on May 09, 2018, 11:40:16 AM
Yes, because he's admitted he'll take practically any role in order to pay for his 2 houses and feed his 6 kids. Scroll through his IMDB, the most recent 20 titles are laughable
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on May 09, 2018, 12:48:36 PM
I hope these are small roles indeed because I wanna see some new faces in a Tarantino film. not super exited about the cast so far.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Fitzroy on May 09, 2018, 01:02:46 PM
Quote from: Reelist on May 09, 2018, 11:40:16 AM
Yes, because he's admitted he'll take practically any role in order to pay for his 2 houses and feed his 6 kids. Scroll through his IMDB, the most recent 20 titles are laughable

The Hateful Eight was the last thing I saw him in, but between films, TV shows and video game voice overs he's had some 40 gigs since then!
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: polkablues on May 09, 2018, 02:03:16 PM
There's a certain lower-middle class of actor, primarily dudes in their 40s-60s who have name recognition from previous success, who currently make a living by simply having a set price for their services and then accepting literally any production that is willing to pay it. Madsen, Tom Sizemore, Eric Roberts, Matthew Modine, my Close Personal Friend Casper Van Dien.... They get to pay their bills, a bunch of low-budget movies increase their selling power by putting a recognizable name and face on the poster, everybody wins.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 09, 2018, 03:08:50 PM
Quote from: polkablues on May 09, 2018, 02:03:16 PM
There's a certain lower-middle class of actor, primarily dudes in their 40s-60s who have name recognition from previous success, who currently make a living by simply having a set price for their services and then accepting literally any production that is willing to pay it. Madsen, Tom Sizemore, Eric Roberts, Matthew Modine, my Close Personal Friend Casper Van Dien.... They get to pay their bills, a bunch of low-budget movies increase their selling power by putting a recognizable name and face on the poster, everybody wins.

I recently heard an old interview with Clifton Collins Jr. where he said he made about $40,000 a year, being paid scale, before agent fees and union dues. He said only the DDLs of the world can afford to do a movie every few years. "The rest of us need to take what we can get" etc. This was after he had been in the Star Trek reboot.

Edit: Here's that interview: http://www.slashfilm.com/the-filmcast-bonus-episode-an-evening-with-actor-clifton-collins-jr-man-of-a-thousand-faces/
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on June 27, 2018, 12:08:42 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/pG5XdVJ.png)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on June 27, 2018, 01:48:06 PM
good looking dudes that!
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: BB on June 28, 2018, 11:58:54 PM
Anyone else thinking this might be a horror movie? Structured like Pulp Fiction like they said, but not played especially funny. Some good buddy-buddy banter of course, but its treatment of the murders and their aftermath could be done in a Polanski-esque fashion.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 20, 2018, 06:38:24 PM
Made a visit to the Hollywood Blvd set today (because, how many chances to do that will I get?).  They were shooting interiors inside Musso Franks all day, but I'm fascinated by film sets--and curious to the point of annoyance--so I had no trouble entertaining myself talking to crew, security, etc.  Spotted Kurt and Brad when the company broke for lunch.  Knew I had to stay cool, photo-wise around them, but took some shots (https://photos.app.goo.gl/d7foaxxTTjLQgvpv8) of the work being done to get ready for the exterior shooting next week.


[edit] A much better set of photos (https://www.facebook.com/brian.donnelly.98/media_set?set=a.10217690818928887.1073743033.1432335358&type=1&l=9399d163eb&hc_location=ufi) (via Brian Donnelly).
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on July 24, 2018, 07:44:38 PM
Sharon Tate's Sister Gives Blessing To Quentin Tarantino's 'Once Upon A Time In Hollywood' (https://theplaylist.net/tate-tarantino-once-upon-set-video-20180724/)

Debra Tate says that Tarantino explained the plot to put her mind at ease. She says, "This movie is not what people would expect it to be when you combine the Tarantino and Manson names." Debra Tate is also pleased that Sony moved the release date up a couple weeks, to avoid the 50th anniversary, saying that the original August 2019 date was "tacky and exploitative."

wilbderfan gave us the photos, here's the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9V4ZGrvkzw
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on August 13, 2018, 09:50:22 PM
Hope this isn't too Reddit-y, but here's a somewhat comprehensive musing on QT's latest.




Everything We Know – And What We Can Piece Together – About Tarantino's 'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' (https://www.slashfilm.com/everything-we-know-about-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood)  (Slashfilm)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on August 16, 2018, 03:26:17 AM
Quentin Tarantino says "fuck it," sticks Bruce Lee in his latest movie (https://news.avclub.com/quentin-tarantino-finally-gets-to-just-straight-up-stic-1828372268)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on August 23, 2018, 02:16:27 AM
Lena Dunham Joins Quentin Tarantino's 'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' (https://variety.com/2018/film/news/lena-dunham-quentin-tarantino-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-1202914898/)

Lena Dunham, Austin Butler, Maya Hawke, and Lorenza Izzo have joined the cast of Quentin Tarantino's "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood."

Dunham will be playing a character named Gypsy. Hawke has been cast as the fictional character Flower Child and Izzo will portray Francesca Capucci, a glamorous Italian movie star.

The cast also includes Margot Robbie as Tate, Luke Perry, Damian Lewis, Dakota Fanning, Al Pacino, Emile Hirsch, Clifton Collins Jr., Tim Roth, Michael Madsen, Keith Jefferson, and Nicholas Hammond.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 23, 2018, 06:34:35 AM
Wow. Eager to see how that plays out. For some reason I carry around generally ambivalent feelings about Dunham, but always wind up liking her whenever I see her in anything.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Reel on August 23, 2018, 12:04:24 PM
She's got a 60's face
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Fernando on August 24, 2018, 03:06:29 PM
I think she will play one of Manson's droogs.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on August 24, 2018, 03:33:37 PM
Lena Dunham in Girls was constantly amazing. She could rock some Tarantino dialogue. But I think she'll get a minor role? I hope not.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on August 24, 2018, 06:23:25 PM
Quote from: jenkins on August 23, 2018, 02:16:27 AM
Dunham will be playing a character named Gypsy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Share).
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 25, 2018, 08:12:06 AM
Quote from: jenkins on August 24, 2018, 06:23:25 PM
Quote from: jenkins on August 23, 2018, 02:16:27 AM
Dunham will be playing a character named Gypsy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Share).

Okay, now I'm genuinely excited.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on August 25, 2018, 06:28:47 PM
wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_Upon_a_Time_in_Hollywood) has all kinds of information about this:

Leonardo DiCaprio as Rick Dalton:
An actor who starred in the Western television series Bounty Law from 1958 to 1963. His attempt to transition to movies did not work out and in 1969, he is struggling, guesting on other people's shows while contemplating going to Italy – which has become a hotbed for low-budget Westerns. He is neighbors with Sharon Tate.

Brad Pitt as Cliff Booth:
Rick's longtime stunt double and close friend.

Margot Robbie as Sharon Tate:
A pregnant actress married to Roman Polanski, who was murdered in her home by followers of Charles Manson.

Burt Reynolds as George Spahn:
An 80-year-old nearly blind man who rented his LA ranch out to be used as a location for Westerns. Manson convinced Spahn to allow him and his followers to live on the ranch, in the months before they murdered Sharon Tate and six others. In exchange for rent, Manson coerced his female followers into hopping into bed with the ranch owner, and serving as his seeing eye guides.

Damian Lewis as Steve McQueen:
An actor and friend of Jay Sebring, who was invited by him to the home of Sharon Tate for a dinner party, but he was unable to show up.

Luke Perry as Wayne Maunder:
An actor who co-starred on the western television series Lancer.

Emile Hirsch as Jay Sebring:
A Hollywood hairstylist and friend of Sharon Tate who was murdered in the home of Tate by followers of Charles Manson.

Dakota Fanning as Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme:
A member of the infamous "Manson family" who obtained her nickname whilst living on George Spahn's ranch. She was not directly involved in the Tate murders.

Nicholas Hammond as Sam Wanamaker:
An actor-director who, in 1969, began a campaign to rebuild the Shakespeare's Globe in London.

Al Pacino as Marvin Shwarz:
Rick Dalton's agent.

Scoot McNairy as Business Bob Gilbert:
A fictional cowboy character on Bounty Law.

Spencer Garrett as Allen Kincade:
The television personality and interviewer to Hollywood's elite.

Mike Moh as Bruce Lee:
The international actor-stuntman who choreographed fight scenes for The Wrecking Crew, which starred Sharon Tate. Following her murder, he attended her funeral and was also privately investigated.

Lena Dunham as Catherine Share:
A member of the "Manson family" who was not directly involved with the Tate murders.

Austin Butler as Charles "Tex" Watson:
A central member of the "Manson family" who, alongside three other members, was directly involved in the Tate murders.

s/o to this unexplained portion:

Keith Jefferson as Land Pirate Keith
Eddie Perez as Land Pirate Eddie
Maurice Compte as Land Pirate Mao
Lew Temple as Land Pirate Lew
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: BB on August 27, 2018, 01:30:26 AM
Quote from: jenkins on August 25, 2018, 06:28:47 PM

Burt Reynolds as George Spahn:
An 80-year-old nearly blind man who rented his LA ranch out to be used as a location for Westerns. Manson convinced Spahn to allow him and his followers to live on the ranch, in the months before they murdered Sharon Tate and six others. In exchange for rent, Manson coerced his female followers into hopping into bed with the ranch owner, and serving as his seeing eye guides


This intrigues me.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on August 27, 2018, 09:15:08 PM
I was hoping George might appear in this, but alas.


https://youtu.be/ibfERPpNMpE
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 27, 2018, 11:54:11 PM
That was awesome.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on August 28, 2018, 01:33:19 AM
Wonder if Burt will lose the mustache?


(https://i.imgur.com/2lUlAyR.png)


(https://i.imgur.com/QmCgozM.jpg)


My understanding is that "Squeaky" got her nickname because of the noises she'd make when Spahn goosed her.  [shudder]
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on August 28, 2018, 11:07:58 PM
QT has cast his Roman Polanski (http://collider.com/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-roman-polanski-actor/): Rafal Zawierucha (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4027445/).
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Reel on August 29, 2018, 12:18:38 PM
Anyone wanna take a stab at who's playing Manson?

I think you could ugly up Joseph Gordon Levitt enough to pull it off..
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on August 29, 2018, 03:39:53 PM
A fat Jimmy Fallon is.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on August 29, 2018, 03:41:09 PM
Quote from: Reelist on August 29, 2018, 12:18:38 PM
Anyone wanna take a stab at who's playing Manson?

Funny you should ask.

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' Finds Its Charles Manson in 'Justified' Actor

[ Damon Herriman ]

link (https://www.slashfilm.com/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-cast-damon-herriman/)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Reel on August 29, 2018, 04:56:16 PM
Oh yeah, no uglying required there
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Yes on September 16, 2018, 04:33:07 AM
Bruce Dern is replacing Burt, isn't he? I'd love Keitel, De Niro, or Jack if he can somehow get Nicholson out of retirement
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on September 27, 2018, 01:30:05 PM
yeah. Bruce Dern Replaces His Friend Burt Reynolds In Quentin Tarantino's 'Once Upon A Time In Hollywood' (https://deadline.com/2018/09/bruce-dern-replaces-burt-reynolds-quentin-tarantino-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-1202471986/)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Reel on September 27, 2018, 01:59:24 PM
It's hard to even tell what George Spahn looked like, every picture of him he's wearing giant sunglasses. You just need to be wrinkly and wear a cowboy hat to pull it off. Character description: old as FUCK
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on March 18, 2019, 06:43:52 PM
We gonna talk about the poster?
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on March 18, 2019, 06:54:38 PM
Quote from: eward on March 18, 2019, 06:43:52 PM
We gonna talk about the poster?

That doesn't look like a "period piece" at all. Very weird choice.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: polkablues on March 18, 2019, 06:56:35 PM
Quote(https://i.imgur.com/HxQvYUc.jpg)

Jesus Christ, that Photoshop work is egregious.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on March 18, 2019, 07:05:12 PM
Yeah, it's bad, but hopefully just a placeholder for better things to come. Have the ad campaigns for any of QT's films ever been notably beautiful though? I can only recall (without searching Google) rather unoffensive but still sorta standard-looking promos for most of his shit.

EDIT: just checked out the teaser posters for his last 4 films: all brilliant. WTF is up with this shit?
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on March 18, 2019, 07:05:36 PM
The possibilities are endless, still they went for this generic looking shit? Of all the things they could have made, this is what they decided on? What's going on with Brad Pitt's face/hair?

Tarantino's movies has surprisingly bad posters in general. I guess the last great one was Death Proof?
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on March 18, 2019, 07:07:39 PM
It's just a teaser poster, but for a movie that huge it's weird that they let an intern make it during his/her lunch break.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: polkablues on March 18, 2019, 07:18:54 PM
https://twitter.com/EthanRunt/status/1107639996339634176

QuoteI can't believe the new Quentin Tarantino movie is a secret Netflix Adam Sandler flick!

(https://i.imgur.com/CoIPiCC.jpg)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on March 19, 2019, 10:26:48 AM
It's outrageous, egregious, preposterous!
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on March 19, 2019, 10:47:58 AM
That's Once Upon a Time in...Hollywood, My Boy! The 9th film from Quentin Tarantino.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on March 19, 2019, 12:16:36 PM
You think his next film will be promoted as the "The LAST film from Quentin Tarantino"? I mean, he has been putting that "the -th" film on the posters since Kill Bill and hyped the "only 10 films" for years now.

It will be interesting to see what he believes to be a worthwhile swan song in his filmography. I could see him wanting to do a trilogy with either Kill Bill or a third western, but at the same time that would be kind of underwhelming imo. He'll probably make TV shows after he's done making movies and I would rather see a Kill Bill TV show at some point.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on March 19, 2019, 12:31:51 PM
He'll recognize that making underwhelming films late in your career is also the sign of a great filmaker.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on March 19, 2019, 12:42:16 PM
So The Vega Brothers starring John Travolta and Michael Madsen or Cowgirls in Sweden it is!
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on March 19, 2019, 01:34:17 PM
This was never posted here, right?
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/01/preview-quentin-tarantino-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood

(https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5c4a0889a358ac6e49188f9e/master/w_1440,c_limit/MAG-13-19-Tarantino-SS02.jpg)
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Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on March 19, 2019, 01:43:29 PM
Man, that Hullaballoo shot is killer. 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on March 19, 2019, 03:05:00 PM
Why does he have Ridley Scott operating a boom mic?
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on March 19, 2019, 06:48:44 PM
Quote from: Robyn on March 19, 2019, 12:16:36 PM
You think his next film will be promoted as the "The LAST film from Quentin Tarantino"? I mean, he has been putting that "the -th" film on the posters since Kill Bill and hyped the "only 10 films" for years now. .

I really hope so, and then when he inevitably caves and makes an 11th, he can bill it on screen as The 2nd 1st Film From Quentin Tarantino
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Reel on March 19, 2019, 06:59:54 PM
Quote from: eward on March 19, 2019, 06:48:44 PM
Quote from: Robyn on March 19, 2019, 12:16:36 PM
You think his next film will be promoted as the "The LAST film from Quentin Tarantino"? I mean, he has been putting that "the -th" film on the posters since Kill Bill and hyped the "only 10 films" for years now. .

I really hope so, and then when he inevitably caves and makes an 11th, he can bill it on screen as The 2nd 1st Film From Quentin Tarantino

What if he goes under a pseudonym as some hot new director and we don't find out until 20 years later?
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on March 19, 2019, 07:22:55 PM
But then he names a movie Feet Fest and he's unmasked.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on March 19, 2019, 07:42:53 PM
Once Upon a Toe...In Hollywood
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on March 20, 2019, 08:19:49 AM
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on March 20, 2019, 08:29:19 AM
Hmmm. That teaser made me think that it might be...not good.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on March 20, 2019, 08:31:47 AM
Really? I'm digging it.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on March 20, 2019, 08:42:47 AM
"Not good" for Tarantino. So, you know, still very enjoyable. But I thought The Hateful Eight would suck and it's probably my favorite Tarantino with Jackie Brown and Pulp Fiction.  :)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on March 20, 2019, 08:47:57 AM
I was very surprised by Hateful 8 too. But I've only seen the 70mm Roadshow version, no idea how it plays small.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on March 20, 2019, 09:57:49 AM
digging it myself, looks like a fun romp, though hard to get a firm grasp based on the teaser.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on March 20, 2019, 10:04:12 AM
Quote from: Drenk on March 20, 2019, 08:42:47 AM
"Not good" for Tarantino. So, you know, still very enjoyable. But I thought The Hateful Eight would suck and it's probably my favorite Tarantino with Jackie Brown and Pulp Fiction.  :)

Nothing in that trailer that makes me any less excited to see the film opening weekend, come July.  I'm a bit biased, though.  Quentin shot all over L.A. for several months (!), and I hung around a few of the sets here and there (particularly the Hollywood Blvd stuff). And, having grown up in L.A. (I was actually attending Hollywood High in '69) it should be a nostalgic hoot to see it all again thru Richardson's lenses.

I was really looking forward to Hateful Eight, tho, too, and found that a massive disappointment, so I guess I'll have to be prepared for that possibility as well.

The trailer seems to be restating most what we've been told already?  "Tarantino! Big stars! Vintage Hollywood! Charlie Manson & The Girls!"  It looks cool, and that's a bonus. 

Did anyone else think first viewing that Leo was channeling Kurt Russell there at the end...?  (I thought it was Kurt for a second...)   And, an awesome Bruce Lee!
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Lottery on March 20, 2019, 10:11:56 AM
Looks different, which is more than welcome when it comes to Tarantino.

Perhaps this trailer is presenting the film more to be more comedic/fun than it actually is? Will the upcoming trailers be darker and more sinister?
I was hoping to see QT break new ground emotionally/thematically with this one.

I foresee Brad Pitt being amazing in this.

Also, holy heck that Bruce Lee impression.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on March 20, 2019, 10:24:52 AM
wilber, any recollections of the vibes around town after the murders?
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on March 20, 2019, 10:46:09 AM
It didn't cure my depression, so I'm disappointed.

No, it looks great. You would think this was mostly about Pitt/Dicaprio, but remember the gigantic fucking cast in this? And the Inglourious Basterds teaser? It didn't show anything else besides Brad Pitt being cool and killing nazis. I'm sure Margot Robbie will have more things to do then to walk around and look pretty.

Still curious how the hell this will pan out.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on March 20, 2019, 11:21:41 AM
Quote from: Something Spanish on March 20, 2019, 10:24:52 AM
wilber, any recollections of the vibes around town after the murders?


My personal vibe was one of...concern?...especially following the LaBianca murder the following night.  I lived in the suburbs so felt somehow safer (even tho we were literally just over the hill in the Valley from both).  I didn't think I was in imminent danger--L.A. was such a gigantic fucking place you feel like the odds were pretty low you'd be next--but it certainly got your attention.   Both Mom and Dad were in the biz--but I don't remember overhearing any more-concerned-than-usual conversations from them about the murders.  A lot of shit had gone down by the late 60s--culturally, politically--at some point you just sorta surfed each new, holy-fuck news story as they came along. 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on March 20, 2019, 12:42:56 PM
Yayy!!!!! Two of my friendz ended up on the trailer! Kansas is in two of the shotz ~
So excited to watch this jubilant film -- gives me the same vibe the inglorious teaser did, and that one had an even cheesier smirk on -- Isn't Sharon smiling? Could this be another re-written revenge? Excited for this film's turnz.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on March 20, 2019, 07:51:33 PM
Maybe Bruce Lee saves Sharon Tate...? A dopey projection that seems to be going around Twitter. Mostly at a jest, but still :doh:

I can't imagine a scenario re: OUATIH in which fucking around with the established facts of this particular case could ever be pulled off successfully. With Hitler it's one thing, blow him to bits yay!!!! but these were innocent people - she was 8 months pregnant for fucksake - how could it come off as anything but in poor taste? I don't see it working. I certainly don't believe Sharon's sister would have approved the script if that were the case. And furthermore if the murders were ultimately prevented, the Family would have no historical/dramatic value or relevance.

I don't buy it!
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on March 20, 2019, 08:09:56 PM
No fucking way will that happen. That's ridiculous, right?

The holocaust was a mass tragedy. If you turn that into a revenge story, then fine. Everyone will think it's a blast. But this is like an intimate murder... how could you watch these pictures of Sharon Tate and be like "oh, I'm gonna turn this into some fucking revenge fantasy"? I mean, maybe he will do that,  but then he have to be tasteful about it. And i'm not sure how that is possible.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on March 20, 2019, 08:11:31 PM
Idk, he is for sure walking on a thin line here... hopefully he'll manage to pull it off somehow.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on March 20, 2019, 08:38:34 PM
I have faith. My feeling is more the murder happens and then Leo and Brad low-key start investigating the crime themselves, stumbling across Spahn Ranch, the Family, etc... It was a stretch of three or four months post-Tate/Labianca before Susan Atkins started blabbing and Charlie and Co. were fingered for the murders. Lots of rogue investigating crews were sniffing around LA fall of 69. Roman Polanski hired people; Paul Tate conducted his own personal investigation; I feel like Warren Beatty and Jack Nicholson funded something similar...perhaps Leo and Brad get caught up in a scenario like that? Brad, as seen in the trailer, fake-fights Bruce Lee with seeming success, and Bruce Lee coached/was friendly with Sharon Tate - perhaps he introduces the two of them?

It's fun to speculate.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on March 20, 2019, 08:56:09 PM
She's not pregnant in any of the videos/pictures of her, so I'm thinking it will happen towards the end?

All of his recent films has been about the violence, ending with big shoutouts/very violent climaxes. Hopefully this is a return to the hangout vibe we saw in Pulp Fiction/Death Proof/Jackie Brown. These films were violent for sure, but the violence wasn't in the foreground like in Django/Basterds/H8. I am thinking that it will mostly happen in the western series within the film/in the background.

Robert Richardson described it as a very different film with a lot of small set pieces in it, which makes me very excited bout it . Just give me some great cinematic dance scenes/parties/hangout scenes with some good Tarantino-esque music and I am happy lol.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on March 20, 2019, 09:29:32 PM
There was an on-set pic recently leaked that showed a scene being filmed depicting a very pregnant Sharon with Jay Sebring, Abigail Folger, and Voytek
Frykowski in tow, all dressed in what an aficionado like me recognizes as the clothes they died in (the men anyhow), presumably on their way to El Coyote for that famous last meal roughly 3 hours before the carnage.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on March 21, 2019, 01:32:55 AM
I dont think the murders have to be prevented for the summer of 69 to be revised into pulp revenge.
Also, it's so far from a "thin line!" This is the kinda cult culture dissection that gelz with Tarantino's 3-dimensional carnage. Instead of pigz or nazi's, it's something insidiously built into our own fav medium.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on March 21, 2019, 02:56:33 AM
All these glamorous shots of Tate are worrying, though. Will she have a storyline? I know that the world of cinema is intertwined with the murders, so I can imagine the characters being in a party with Tate, etc. But from the little we've seen it seems like she will be a character with her own separated storyline? That's complicated. Especially if she's isolated from the rest of the cast, being the woman that will be killed. If I had to write that story, I would not have cast an actress as known as Margo Robbie, and she would have been kind of there since it's Hollywood—but also she would have been kind of not there.

I'm very curious to see how he'll deal with it.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Sleepless on March 21, 2019, 11:55:41 AM
I think these theories are way off base. This is Tarantino's Inherent Vice-cum-Boogie Nights, I think it'll be more about celebrating a specific era and then wallowing in its demise. I really don't see this being a revenge movie. Maybe it's actually about his dealing with the collapse of the house of Weinstein and his own complicity in everything that went on there, with the Leo-Pitt relationship serving as some sort of substitute as we track them from their glory days to irrelevance as the movie business shifts. It was aways said that the Manson murders were just a part of the backdrop, so it makes sense that that's the painful event which triggers/culminates the massive shift in their lives as we hurtle into the third act. If this speculation is true, maybe (hopefully?) we don't even see the violence this time around, just it's aftermath.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on March 21, 2019, 01:38:41 PM
Quote from: Sleepless on March 21, 2019, 11:55:41 AM
I think these theories are way off base. This is Tarantino's Inherent Vice-cum-Boogie Nights, I think it'll be more about celebrating a specific era and then wallowing in its demise. [...] It was aways said that the Manson murders were just a part of the backdrop, so it makes sense that that's the painful event which triggers/culminates the massive shift in their lives as we hurtle into the third act. If this speculation is true, maybe (hopefully?) we don't even see the violence this time around, just it's aftermath.

Hmm, it's just that even as a backdrop in IV the cult plays a major role in its themes.  Here we have the family in play and Spahn ranch cast with notable names. The OUATIH you describe is closest to the movie I'd want to see QT illustrate, where Charlie doesn't seem too dissimilar from our co-stars, their narcissism and pretender crowns exposed. It's just a teaser, obvi, but Sharon Tate would, in this sort of dichotomy, represent the innocent idyll (veneer?) of Hollywood.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on March 21, 2019, 03:44:48 PM
Quote from: Sleepless on March 21, 2019, 11:55:41 AM
I think these theories are way off base.

Very likely yes lol. But until we get something firmer it's all I can do is theorize.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on March 21, 2019, 05:11:51 PM
can't believe it's a mere 4 months from arriving in theatres
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on March 23, 2019, 06:23:15 PM
New fan-made poster.


Source (https://twitter.com/alphavdesign/status/1109127750198001666)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on March 23, 2019, 08:57:30 PM
Now THAT is a poster. Why don't the studios hire these people????
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on March 24, 2019, 10:10:14 AM
Yeah, that's awesome.

I still can't get over how uninspired and bland the real posters are, but at least there's talented fans out there who makes stuff like this.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on March 24, 2019, 08:15:14 PM
Hope this isn't too Reddit-y (or self-serving.  Wilder will let me know  :wink: ), but here's some extensive video from the Hollywood Blvd set from last July.  (Interested observers can spot me standing at the entrance of Larry Edmund's a couple of times: White T, cargo shorts, cap.)  (Quentin even ducked inside the store on a couple of occasions to get a closer look at some of the books the art dept had set up.)  We had a lot of fun for those 3 days.  I even learned (from overhearing a conversation between Tarantino and Richardson) what a "Dutch Angle" was.


Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: csage97 on March 25, 2019, 09:18:16 PM
You get to hang out around movie sets and overhear talks between Tarantino and Robert Richardson, wilberfan? Now that's cool. I'm going to have to do a "Where's Waldo?" search for you in that video. Wait ... I just saw you. Nice.  :yabbse-grin:

Damn, seeing all the set dressing has got me ultra giddy. I'm just a sucker for that period, the art, the culture, the cars, etc. "Perfectly browned low tar cigarettes" on that bus .... Damn. I like how the cameraman just casually says, "There's Tarantino," and points him out.

I don't want to get my hopes up for this one too much and be let down, but I really doubt that'll happen. Tarantino hasn't made a movie I've disliked.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on March 25, 2019, 10:26:18 PM
It was really interesting.  Anyone think I should volunteer to do an AMA?   :wink:
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: csage97 on March 27, 2019, 02:14:43 AM
Maybe I will at some point ask you some general questions about your experience of history and film in LA. You'd be a cool person to sit and have a beer with.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: ©brad on March 28, 2019, 04:30:43 PM
Nice vid man, thanks for sharing. I'm really excited about this movie.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on May 02, 2019, 10:12:33 PM
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' Joins Cannes' Competition Roster

QuoteThe suspense is over: Quentin Tarantino's "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" will indeed have its world premiere and compete at the Cannes Film Festival, the fest announced Thursday.

Quote
The star-studded movie has been widely anticipated as a festival highlight but wasn't included in Cannes' official selection announcement on April 18. Artistic director Thierry Fremaux told journalists several times that day that he hoped for post-production on Tarantino's film to be completed in time for the film to be shown at the festival. Fremaux said Tarantino was eager to be back at Cannes and was working hard to finish the film by May, which was a challenge because it was shot in 35mm, which takes longer to edit than digital film, and is slated for a July release.

"We were afraid the film would not be ready, as it wouldn't be released until late July, but Quentin Tarantino, who has not left the editing room in four months, is a real, loyal and punctual child of Cannes!" Fremaux said Thursday. "Like for 'Inglourious Basterds,' he'll definitely be there – 25 years after the Palme d'Or for 'Pulp Fiction' – with a finished film screened in 35mm and his cast in tow." Fremaux described the film as a "love letter to the Hollywood of his childhood, a rock music tour of 1969, and an ode to cinema as a whole."

Source (https://variety.com/2019/film/news/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-cannes-competition-quentin-tarantino-1203201142/)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on May 21, 2019, 10:16:27 AM
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on May 21, 2019, 10:21:30 AM
Good timing. It's screening right now at Cannes.

Nice trailer. But I still have a hard time imagining how Tate fits in that movie?

(Is he worried that he's has been because The Hateful Eight made less money than Django?)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on May 21, 2019, 10:26:21 AM
I find the apparent liberties being taken with the Charlie/Sharon Tate part of it a bit concerning

SPOILER (the Manson girls skipping down Cielo at night with knives brandished etc)...

Honestly don't know how to feel about any of this based on the trailer. I'm excited, but it also looks like it could just be Tarantino's greatest hits.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on May 21, 2019, 10:34:32 AM
Sharon Tate is not gonna die in this movie, right? That's the silliest thing with Basterds and Django: the revenge fantasy. Cinema saves history? Cinema saves people? It is joyful in a way, yes; I like watching these scenes a lot...But I also find them insulting. No. You didn't kill Hitler. You didn't save anyone. And the pulp of Django shies away from the reality of racism—or the harshness just seems to be there in order for us to be happy when the bad guys are violently destroyed which, yes, works on my nervous system. But then...

The violence of society in the Hateful Eight is a part of the world. I'd be disappointed if he's "saving history from itself" again.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on May 21, 2019, 01:14:52 PM
https://www.indiewire.com/2019/05/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-first-reactions-praise-tarantino-cannes-1202143548/
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on May 21, 2019, 01:16:57 PM
A few small spoilers in there. No big ones, but it reveals what direction he's going with it.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on May 21, 2019, 01:42:25 PM
(https://cdn.empireonline.com/jpg/70/0/0/1280/960/aspectfit/0/0/0/0/0/0/c/articles/5ce2e40c133d503e3a4a03f4/hollywood-no-spoilers.jpg)

From an early review:
Spoiler: ShowHide
QuoteThe film takes its time, to the point where at times it starts to feel sluggish – but even the slower moments have delicious touches or wonderful cameos (ladies and gentlemen, Bruce Freakin' Dern!) And slowly but surely, this bravura homage builds up to ... something.

And that's where the film becomes difficult to write about. Tarantino doesn't want reviewers revealing "anything that would prevent later audiences from experiencing this film in the same way" that we did, and it's probably inevitable that I've already done that. But I'm not going to say anymore, because he's right that the film needs to be experienced with fresh eyes, and its spectacular conclusion shouldn't be foreshadowed.

https://www.thewrap.com/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-film-review-a-contemplative-quentin-tarantino-still-blows-the-roof-off-cannes/

Yeah, I won't be reading more than this. Let's keep this thread spoiler-free in the future.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on May 21, 2019, 01:45:17 PM
Oh God, this all has me worried. I feel like my worst fears are going to be realized...
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on May 21, 2019, 07:28:25 PM
Love the new trailer, much more than the teaser. Looks like a masterpiece. Haven't been this excited for one of his since Vol. 1
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on May 22, 2019, 12:11:50 PM
Quote from: eward on May 21, 2019, 01:45:17 PM
Oh God, this all has me worried. I feel like my worst fears are going to be realized...

People aren't too upset about it though, so maybe he's doing it with good taste? Not sure how that would work, but let's see.

I've seen a few tweets that has compared the film to Jackie Brown and called it more mature and lowkey than Tarantino's latest efforts. That makes me very excited about it.

Super small spoiler:
Spoiler: ShowHide
Apparently there's a 5 minute scene where Tate walks down a street to buy a book in a bookstore. Why does that sound so good? I can't wait to spend time with this film, lol
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on May 22, 2019, 01:02:22 PM
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Yeah, apparently Tate in this movie is like Tate in these trailers: just there, sometimes, randomly.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on May 22, 2019, 02:48:51 PM
it's already bothering everyone to not be able to talk about the ending, which how annoying. it comes out soon enough but the odds seem low that I'll make it in without knowing what happens from bumping into the information somehow

it's being celebrated on par with the almodóvar, in that the criticisms against it are lame and the praises are lit
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on May 22, 2019, 10:29:13 PM
Reviews are starting to come online.  Esquire.com has one and an interview.  (I'm still trying to decide if I should read them.  I ended up reading everything about Phantom Thread before it came out and the movie was very non-spoiled for me.)

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a27557233/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-review-quentin-tarantino-movie/ (https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a27557233/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-review-quentin-tarantino-movie/)

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a27458589/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-leonardo-dicaprio-brad-pitt-quentin-tarantino-interview/ (https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a27458589/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-leonardo-dicaprio-brad-pitt-quentin-tarantino-interview/)

Nothing spoilery here:
QuoteFrom the time I first spoke with Quentin Tarantino last month for Esquire’s Summer cover story, all the way until just before the house lights were dimmed last night at Cannes, the director has asked that those writing about his new film not reveal the ending. For a film set over three days in 1969, it's as though Tarantino wants the press — that now, thanks to Twitter and Facebook includes basically anyone who can send their thoughts out into the world — to act a bit more like this is, indeed, 1969: a wonderful fairy-tale land where a director can open a film and its power can be spread through the land, slowly, gently, through buzzy word of mouth, rather than have its soul reduced to a tweet, chewed up and spit out into the twittterverse within minutes of its opening.

All of which is to say, I'm with him.

[edit]  Quickly scanned the review.  It's very positive.  Very.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on May 22, 2019, 11:44:45 PM
Burt Reynolds had an heart attack on his toilet. That's what I learned from this interview. (And that I'll probably love the movie.)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on May 23, 2019, 11:06:13 AM
Ah the inanity! The media trying to make something out of nothing, once again.

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/05/tarantino-hollywood-treatment-of-women-debate-1202144173/ (https://www.indiewire.com/2019/05/tarantino-hollywood-treatment-of-women-debate-1202144173/)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on May 23, 2019, 11:19:05 AM
Please, Tarantino has written amazing female characters throughout the years. Everyone forgot that?

On another note, I was wondering where that Cannes Press Conference where. It's online somewhere yet?
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on May 23, 2019, 11:21:15 AM
Twitter makes me want to fucking vomit. Yet I can't tear myself away. HELP.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on May 23, 2019, 12:22:06 PM
Here's the full press conference.

Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on May 23, 2019, 01:07:02 PM
Is it spoilery?
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on May 23, 2019, 01:31:55 PM
There's no big plot spoilers, but again, they talk about the direction of the film
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on May 23, 2019, 01:51:55 PM
If you're okay with it then I'm okay with it.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on May 23, 2019, 07:26:57 PM
I've actually been thinking about this recently.  Wondering if the rush to have a version ready for Cannes would be one he was happy with...

Quentin Tarantino Says He May Recut 'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' to Make it Longer

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Quentin Tarantino is not wedded to the Cannes cut of "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood." He and editor Fred Raskin worked hard to finish it in time to world premiere at his favorite festival on May 21, and Tarantino told me he wouldn't have shown it if he wasn't ready. As soon as he was sure he could deliver, festival director Thierry Fremaux alerted the news. But even if Sony struck three wet 35mm prints of the two-hour, 39-minute Cannes version, Tarantino can still go back into the editing room, Sony chairman Tom Rothman confirmed at the premiere. A decade back, Tarantino re-edited "Inglourious Basterds" after Cannes, as well.

"I may make it longer," said Tarantino at the Hotel Carlton, the day after audiences first saw the movie that proved to be the hottest ticket of this year's festival by far. Raskin's first assembly was four hours, 20 minutes. "His job is to put in every single thing I shot, give me everything," he said. "That's not unusual, for an epic-y kind of movie." He and Raskin initially thought it might come in around the two-hour 45-minute mark. "Let's see if we can get it tighter than that," he told Raskin. "2:45 seems like an old Quentin movie. Let's see if we can get past the Quentin cut to a really friendly cut any audience can appreciate."

Now that he's seen the $90-million movie play with an audience (aside from some research previews), Tarantino is going to look at it again. "I wouldn't take anything else out," he said. "I'm going to explore possibly putting something back in. If anything, I wanted to go to Cannes too short. if I'm going to err, I'm going to err on too tight."

As far as Rothman is concerned, Tarantino can do whatever he wants. "It's his movie. We're privileged to be along for the ride," he said. "It's a Quentin Tarantino film. It's entirely in his very capable hands."

More (https://www.indiewire.com/2019/05/quentin-tarantino-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-recut-longer-cannes-1202143936/)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on May 23, 2019, 08:02:13 PM
Do it, Quentin!

I think it was the Bear Jew background chapter or the Shosanna background one that got cut from IB? Not sure if both of them were in the Cannes cut. I was rewatching it the other day actually, and in a weird way it almost feels like a movie-version of a television show. That film could've been 3 hours longer and it would've been even better, probably. But yeah, he'll probably make one after his 10 movies..the Netflix cut of Hateful Eight doesn't really count.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on May 23, 2019, 08:08:48 PM
Inglourious Basterds should have been a miniseries; it's just weaker when you watch the whole thing at once, and at least I could say that most of the episodes are good and some are great. I don't know what to do with this movie.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on May 23, 2019, 08:15:05 PM
Yeah I always thought IB felt truncated too. Lots in the script I was sad to see excised.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on May 23, 2019, 08:22:21 PM
Almost every single part of that film should have been more fleshed out. The pacing is so weird, although it creates an excitement because you are never sure where the film will take you (and that's the best thing with a Tarantino film). Still, the script works better. The final cut feels like a highlight reel. 

Quote from: eward on May 23, 2019, 08:15:05 PM
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^this, I guess. I've learned a new word!
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: csage97 on May 24, 2019, 08:41:18 PM
Well, it's about time for me to start getting hyped for this one. Admittedly, I'm not to keen on the trailer that was released a few days ago, but thinking about Tarantino films, I've never paid too much attention to his trailers (I don't really know why). That said, after seeing that the film is getting tons of praise after the Cannes screening, I'm starting to get overwhelmed with excitement. I've never disliked a Quentin movie, and I completely trust him to make something that I'll, at the very least, like. It's just that the trailer doesn't give too much of the story away (ultimately a good thing), but his stories are always so magnificent.

I would be all for Tarantino going back and re-cutting the film .... For me, the more, the better when it comes to his stuff. And, again, I'd trust him to do an extraordinary job. I mean, Kill Bill is probably my favourite of his. His films could use a lot of time, with all their references, recreations of scenes/bits from past movies, and overflow of character exploration and interesting scenarios. The thing is that it never gets boring because it's all interesting.

Am I worried about the Sharon Tate/Manson background? Not too much. The way that Pynchon handled it was somewhat indirect, to show that the hippy era ended with paranoia and the negative side of things coming to the forefront. I do hope that Once Upon A Time doesn't end with ... you know ... given Tarantino's penchant for violence. But even if it did, I'd again probably trust him with it. What other filmmaker could handle that sort of thing?

Anyway, to sum up my thoughts, I'll say that I've been starved since around the release of Phantom Thread for something that comes from a person who has cinema history in their DNA. Something with the sensibilities of The Old Man and the Gun but with greater scope and a bigger budget, with more cinematic history woven into it. Something that doesn't just give in to the style of modern movies and combines great actors with an amazing story and a deeply informed sense of direction. The subject matter of this film, the rave reviews, the descriptions of it being more of a "mature" style like Jackie Brown, and Tarantino himself .... I can't wait to see this.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: csage97 on May 24, 2019, 08:57:39 PM
Actually ... I watched the trailer a few more times and it looks so good. Oboy oboy oboy oboy oboy ....
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on May 24, 2019, 09:03:11 PM
Dude, your post alone has seriously amped my hype. Almost as good as PTA season!
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: csage97 on May 24, 2019, 10:50:10 PM
Quote from: eward on May 24, 2019, 09:03:11 PM
Dude, your post alone has seriously amped my hype. Almost as good as PTA season!

Haha, most of my posts here are long-ish and I tend to really air all of my thoughts out, so I'm glad you've found it valuable rather than it just being all drivel. But yeah ... I remember PTA responding to a question about The Revenent and how it was having production issues, the rumour being, if I recall correctly, that it might not work out. You've probably heard the interview, but in case you haven't, PTA's response was to say that of course he was rooting for it to be successful, and he always wants projects to succeed so that these movies are able to be made. That's how I feel about a film like Once Upon a Time, that it's a bit of a minor miracle in today's movie climate for a director with Tarantino's deep enthusiasm and integrity to put out something like this. I mean, not that Tarantino's movies don't make money and that he hasn't had past success ... but the fact that the infrastructure is there for someone of his ilk to continue to do what he does with quite large budgets makes me happy.

So yeah, that's also a part of what makes me so excited about this new film. I went back and watched the trailer a bunch of times as mentioned, and I started noticing the small details too: The labels on boxes or cans of beer that the actors are surrounded by, the cigarettes, the outfits .... All of it looks so incredibly well done. I mean, the Tarantino stylings of Jackie Brown and Pulp Fiction, or even the conversational elements in Reservoir Dogs, in painstakingly well crafted late-60s setting!? Sign me up!
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on May 25, 2019, 01:43:09 AM
Maybe this goes without saying, but the word is out to avoid the Wikipedia page for this film.  Full plot and ending is allegedly been posted.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on May 25, 2019, 06:51:19 AM
if you've read the reviews, they don't spoil the ending but have no qualms revealing an abrupt spat of violence enters the equation, so you can imagine. the majority is supposedly a hangout movie that doesn't really go anywhere, long stretches where nothing happens, and to me, that sounds very exciting, considering the crowd you're hanging with. it's dialogue heavy, like all tarantino movies, that is one of the main draws when watching a tarantino movie. i'm going to do my best to avoid reading anything further than what was written in cannes until watching it for myself, but i have a feeling this may be one of his best.

trailer is one of his best. second to this one, which was included on the Vol.1 soundtrack : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agAnukMqdU8 (even has the crazy 88 fight in color, as in the Asian release, which is hands down my favorite sequence he's ever directed. shelled $50 bucks at Kim's for a Region 3 dvd around 2004. not only is it in color, but it's more violent than the us release)

when pitt is on the roof and manson throws him the creepy wave as the chorus smacks in, i get chills every time.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on May 25, 2019, 09:54:39 AM
I had forgotten all about that trailer and it just sucked me right back to 2003. Chills, etc.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Lottery on May 25, 2019, 10:28:48 AM
Quote from: Something Spanish on May 25, 2019, 06:51:19 AM
the majority is supposedly a hangout movie that doesn't really go anywhere, long stretches where nothing happens,

Quote from: Robyn on May 22, 2019, 12:11:50 PM
I've seen a few tweets that has compared the film to Jackie Brown and called it more mature and lowkey than Tarantino's latest efforts.

Oooh, that's the good stuff right there.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on May 25, 2019, 10:43:43 AM
Quote from: eward on May 25, 2019, 09:54:39 AM
I had forgotten all about that trailer and it just sucked me right back to 2003. Chills, etc.

Was that the first trailer for Kill Bill? Must've been pretty cool to watch that trailer in 03, after waiting 5 years since Jackie Brown.

I think Kill Bill has aged very well. This are his best ones imo, his "masterpieces" if you like;
Jackie Brown
Kill Bill
Pulp Fiction
inglourious Basterds

Death Proof is a personal favorite of mine, but only because it was the first movie I obsessed over before it came out. I wasn't aware of directors before that one, so it has a special place in my heart.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: csage97 on May 25, 2019, 11:45:50 AM
Quote from: Something Spanish on May 25, 2019, 06:51:19 AM
trailer is one of his best ... when pitt is on the roof and manson throws him the creepy wave as the chorus smacks in, i get chills every time.

I don't know what I was thinking when I first said I wasn't keen on the trailer. It's actually amazing .... I've watched it maybe ten times now and can't get enough of it.

I think I just needed to view it two or three times and notice what was going on. For example, when I first watched it, I didn't:
-catch that Al Pacino was Al Pacino right away
-notice the Spahn Ranch sign at first
-hear Margaret Qualley say, "Charlie's gonna dig you"
-see Margaret Qualley sitting with her feet up, right in the camera, in Brad Pitt's car
-see all the small period details, like when Leo DiCaprio is sitting at a dressing mirror and there's an old 60s-style hair dryer there, old 60s chairs, a vintage box of band-aids, old "Vam" and "Vitalis" bottles

The cinematography looks great too .... Robert Richardson, celluloid, wide angles .... I can't get enough.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on May 25, 2019, 01:11:56 PM
Quote from: Robyn on May 25, 2019, 10:43:43 AM
Quote from: eward on May 25, 2019, 09:54:39 AM
I had forgotten all about that trailer and it just sucked me right back to 2003. Chills, etc.

Was that the first trailer for Kill Bill? Must've been pretty cool to watch that trailer in 03, after waiting 5 years since Jackie Brown.

I don't believe it was the first (I think there was a teaser with Battle Without Honor or Humanity playing, and it featured footage from a cut sequence where Bill kicks ass in B&W) but once discovered it was my favorite.

Seeing this again honestly made me well up a bit, as it brought me back to a very nice time in my life. I was but a lad of 16, had my first girlfriend, I'd lost like 150 lbs the year before so I was lookin prettay prettay prettay good, and I was full of energy and enthusiasm and was madly in love with cinema. Not much has changed, it's just...harder now, I suppose. Though I have relatively few complaints, all things considered...

Also I worked at a movie theater, and this was back when 35 projection was the norm, so I used to take home all the trailers on celluloid, several Kill Bills among them. I still have them somewhere.

Okay, nostalgia trip done.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: csage97 on May 25, 2019, 03:02:48 PM
Quote from: eward on May 25, 2019, 01:11:56 PM
Quote from: Robyn on May 25, 2019, 10:43:43 AM
Quote from: eward on May 25, 2019, 09:54:39 AM
I had forgotten all about that trailer and it just sucked me right back to 2003. Chills, etc.

Was that the first trailer for Kill Bill? Must've been pretty cool to watch that trailer in 03, after waiting 5 years since Jackie Brown.

I don't believe it was the first (I think there was a teaser with Battle Without Honor or Humanity playing, and it featured footage from a cut sequence where Bill kicks ass in B&W) but once discovered it was my favorite.

Seeing this again honestly made me well up a bit, as it brought me back to a very nice time in my life. I was but a lad of 16, had my first girlfriend, I'd lost like 150 lbs the year before so I was lookin prettay prettay prettay good, and I was full of energy and enthusiasm and was madly in love with cinema. Not much has changed, it's just...harder now, I suppose. Though I have relatively few complaints, all things considered...

Also I worked at a movie theater, and this was back when 35 projection was the norm, so I used to take home all the trailers on celluloid, several Kill Bills among them. I still have them somewhere.

Okay, nostalgia trip done.

150 lbs .... That's insane! Wow. A late congratulations to you. It sounds like it vastly improved your quality of life. I know what it's like to be at that age and just be full of energy, but I've never accomplished anything physical on that level. That's seriously a huge thing to do.

I was born in the early 90s, so hearing about 35 mm artifacts like that is very interesting to me. Were there extra copies for you to take home? I'd imagine that the production companies would send your theatre a surplus and you'd yoink the extras. Very cool.

I'll add that I came of age during the cusp of Napster and that era, and music was and has been my first point of artistic pull. I think that music has borne a massive portion of that change. It's a big part of why I'm so interested in that era (the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s), when things were recorded to 4- and 8- and 16- track tape. There was a transition in those days from trying to capture live recordings to experimenting with mixing things in the studio. But still, the emphasis was on capturing live sounds first.

These days, recording is so expedient and young people tend to not care about the source (where the sounds originate from). It's so easy to program a digital beat and then put vocals over it. On the one hand, it empowers people to create, but on the other, it embodies what Pynchon (my favourite author and of course initial author of PTA's IV) was getting at when he explored information entropy. Media and art start to becomes noise as it's so much easier to create, record, and distribute. At the risk of getting very, very personal and too heavy here ... these are the things that keep me up at night. On the one hand, it's good that people are empowered, but on the other, I wish the process were more stringent, demanding, and for those who are into the craft enough to see out a process that presents challenges to the intellect and problem-solving capabilities. And unfortunately, there are the un-discerning masses who will gulp up the lowest common denominator without concerning themselves with things that are produced with thought and utmost craft.

This is all why I'm so obsessed with Kubrick's productions. I'm currently reading Michael Benson's Space Odyssey, which goes in depth about the production of 2001. If I could distill the importance of the production of that movie from what I'm reading, it's that Kubrick and co. leaned against the boundaries of film infrastructure of that time, and challenged the technological and philosophical limits of the medium. I mean, the production went on for about three years, overtook nine stages of MGM's London studio, and Kubrick pushed his producers and his team to do things that hadn't been done to produce something that dared to transcend the artistic medium. The point there is that they had to face limits which demanded a serious and skilled creative process, one which rewarded reflection and sustained effort.

The greater point is that I fear production has maybe become too easy. It's empowering, yes, but it increases the noise of things out there. But to get back on topic, this is all why I'm so fascinated with what you said about that era of cinema and being able to snag physical prints of trailers ... and a director of the old guard who is making a movie in this era that's set during the turn of the old Hollywood to the new, using some old film techniques at the highest level of artistic application, with his knowledge and experience of film background.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on May 30, 2019, 10:39:18 PM
This was a nice one:
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: csage97 on June 10, 2019, 11:18:55 AM
https://www.scmp.com/sport/mixed-martial-arts/article/3013667/bruce-lees-daughter-upset-quentin-tarantino-didnt-consult

What's with the "need to be consulted" that keeps popping up in the news? First Roman Polanski's wife's tweet -- which was ludicrous and probably got too much media attention for the clicks -- and now Bruce Lee's daughter. If you were a famous person who was part of the history of Hollywood (the key being a part of history), you or your relatives shouldn't really need to be consulted about being fictionalized or represented in a work of art.

Tarantino DID consult Sharon Tate's sister and got her blessing, but that makes sense because of the sensitivity surrounding Tate's story. And anyway, I've heard Sharon Tate is represented in a positive light here, and Margot Robbie said recently that her role is a celebration of Tate's life. So what's with controversy arising over representing or exploring such a story? It's a part of culture and it shaped the American past. I also don't buy the whole assumption of "sensationalizing/using a touchy subject for monetary or story profit." Tarantino could make a completely different film with Pitt, DeCaprio, Robbie, Pacino, Perry, etc., and it would likely do well in the box office.

I guess I'll see how Tarantino handles the material when the film comes out.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on June 10, 2019, 11:45:16 AM
Tolstoy faced the same issues with Napoleon's family.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on June 10, 2019, 05:47:21 PM
Just noticed on IMDB The Love Witch plays Abigail Folger
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on June 13, 2019, 07:44:15 AM
That's more like it! (not sure if this has been posted here, found it on IMDB)

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BOTg4ZTNkZmUtMzNlZi00YmFjLTk1MmUtNWQwNTM0YjcyNTNkXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNjg2NjQwMDQ@._V1_SY1000_CR0,0,674,1000_AL_.jpg)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on June 13, 2019, 08:03:49 AM
Now that's a poster.

Though there's a bit of inconsistency in the text:                Once Upon a Time In... Hollywood

                                                                                                       Once Upon a Time...In Hollywood

Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on June 13, 2019, 08:15:11 AM
Before: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood...
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on June 13, 2019, 09:03:02 AM
Is that a another Bande à part homage underneath the title? Looks kinda like it.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on June 13, 2019, 12:48:11 PM
Quote from: eward on May 21, 2019, 01:45:17 PM
Oh God, this all has me worried. I feel like my worst fears are going to be realized...

Quote from: eward on June 13, 2019, 06:55:21 AM
Fiction can be more truthful than fact.

Here'z hoping the third act doesn't shatter your brain, eward ~  :idea:
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on June 13, 2019, 01:06:16 PM
Haha I'm sure it will, and I'll gratefully pick up the pieces and put it all back together again.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on June 14, 2019, 02:29:37 PM


El Coyote, mentioned as the spot for TLB victims "Last Supper," iz quite close to QTs theater.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on June 14, 2019, 03:07:05 PM
Polite correction: it's where Sharon, Jay, Abigail, and Voytek dined about 4 hours before the murders.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on June 14, 2019, 03:11:50 PM
Quote from: eward on June 14, 2019, 03:07:05 PM
Polite correction: it’s where Sharon, Jay, Abigail, and Voytek dined about 4 hours before the murders.

Gah, thanks! I figured you'd be one of the few to have known the details. Noticed once the interview went on but forgot to edit. Fix'd and, also, fuck the Helter Skelter propagation.

You should post media of note that'll complement the next month of anticipation with facts or theory ~
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on June 25, 2019, 09:19:28 PM
It's...really...starting!!!!!

Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on June 25, 2019, 09:20:30 PM
Quote from: Robyn on June 13, 2019, 07:44:15 AM
That's more like it! (not sure if this has been posted here, found it on IMDB)

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BOTg4ZTNkZmUtMzNlZi00YmFjLTk1MmUtNWQwNTM0YjcyNTNkXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNjg2NjQwMDQ@._V1_SY1000_CR0,0,674,1000_AL_.jpg)

Anyone catch QT's poster cameo?
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on June 28, 2019, 01:32:43 AM
Tarantino's NEW BEVERLY CINEMA announces that "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" will play there on opening day in 35mm.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BzPZUTQlcy4/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BzPZUTQlcy4/)
QuoteWe are excited to announce that you will be able to experience the 9th film by Quentin Tarantino, ONCE UPON A TIME IN...HOLLYWOOD, in Quentin's theatre on opening day and in 35mm!!! More details and ticketing information coming soon!
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 06, 2019, 05:32:11 PM
Arclight Presents ONCE UPON A....TARANTINO

The celebration culminates with exclusive advance screenings of ONCE UPON A TIME... IN HOLLYWOOD on Saturday, 7/20 and Sunday, 7/21 at the historic Cinerama Dome.

https://www.arclightcinemas.com/en/news/arclight-presents-once-upon-a-tarantino (https://www.arclightcinemas.com/en/news/arclight-presents-once-upon-a-tarantino)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on July 08, 2019, 06:41:09 PM
if I miss when it happens please someone post when the new bev tickets go up for sale
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 08, 2019, 08:00:17 PM
Anyone else goofy enough to spend FIVE HOURS in front of a screen today waiting for the ArcLight ticketing system to get de-fuct?  From what I can tell on Twitter, most of Saturday tickets were sold either in person or via the ArcLight app.  The website never had a link posted.  A buddy got two seats on Sunday fairly early in the process via his iPhone app.  Fun wrinkle:  There is no equivalent android app in the Google Store.  I eventually found an .apk online and had to install it manually.)

ArcLight locked things down for a few hours until they fingered-out what the problem was.  Things finally came back online around 4:45pm (after a 12 noon promise of availability). 

I got a single ticket for Sunday night. 

None of this will create much good will for the ArcLight.  Although I'm sure all will be forgiven once regular screenings get underway.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 08, 2019, 08:31:33 PM
LA is so lucky.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on July 08, 2019, 09:50:31 PM
And earthquaky.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: csage97 on July 10, 2019, 10:06:55 AM
Hmm, I keep expecting another trailer, but it never comes. I guess it doesn't really matter because the premiere is about two weeks away.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on July 10, 2019, 10:22:46 AM
The last trailer seemed pretty definitive. There has been TV Spots with new footage. It's the end. It's cool. It's near. (Well, it's out in a month here, but I'm fine waiting.)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: csage97 on July 10, 2019, 10:24:53 AM
Quote from: Drenk on July 10, 2019, 10:22:46 AM
The last trailer seemed pretty definitive. There has been TV Spots with new footage. It's the end. It's cool. It's near. (Well, it's out in a month here, but I'm fine waiting.)

Yeah, you're right. That's the thing: All that needed to be in a trailer was there. So with each time I think about another trailer, it seems to make less and less sense. Plus I really wouldn't want much new footage with the release so soon.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 10, 2019, 12:26:52 PM
Just checked, and opening day tix are available at the ArcLight in Hollywood already.  A 7am screening (in the Dome) and on other screens every hour to hour-and-a-half-ish.    Cool. 


[edit]  Actually, they're selling tix for the day before the official opening:  9 screenings starts between 4pm and 3am.  I know that only benefits a limited number of us here, but it suggests they think the demand is there.  (I think they're right.) 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 10, 2019, 01:12:46 PM
I hope this is a giant hit. But then, that could expedite QT's "retirement".
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on July 10, 2019, 01:31:52 PM
still waiting for new bev tickets, really curious to see how those will sell. curious as in I hope I get the ticket I want
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on July 11, 2019, 02:31:55 PM
New Bev announcement IG post
(https://www.instagram.com/p/BzycX2FjYV-/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
QuoteSee Quentin Tarantino's stunning personal 35mm print of his new film at the New Bev with an exclusive pre-show specifically curated for our screenings, special concession treats & other surprises. Advance tickets for Once Upon A Time In... Hollywood go on sale online this Saturday, July 13th, at 12:00pm PDT (noon). Please note that ALL tickets for all shows will be released for advance sale and that all shows will have first-run $15 ticket pricing.

Not embedding, because it gets rid of the caption essentially the most important bit.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on July 11, 2019, 03:41:22 PM
thank you

okay i have to remember and be there. wish me luck everyone who im not mentioning my goal to so you won't buy the ticket i want
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 12, 2019, 01:02:37 AM
'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' 35mm Screenings Coming to Alamo Drafthouse Theaters

https://www.slashfilm.com/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-drafthouse-screenings/

New York, NY
Alamo Drafthouse Brooklyn

Alamo Drafthouse Yonkers

San Francisco, CA
Alamo Drafthouse New Mission [70mm]

Los Angeles, CA
Alamo Drafthouse Downtown LA (tickets on sale soon)

Austin, TX
Alamo Drafthouse South Lamar

Alamo Drafthouse Village

Alamo Drafthouse Lakeline

Alamo Drafthouse Ritz

San Antonio, TX
Alamo Drafthouse Park North

Alamo Drafthouse Marketplace

Denver, CO
Alamo Drafthouse Littleton

Kansas City, MO
Alamo Drafthouse Mainstreet

Raleigh, NC
Alamo Drafthouse Raleigh

Phoenix, AZ
Alamo Drafthouse Tempe

Dallas / Fort Worth, TX
Alamo Drafthouse Cedars

Alamo Drafthouse Richardson

Alamo Drafthouse Las Colinas

Lubbock, TX
Alamo Drafthouse Lubbock

El Paso, TX
Alamo Drafthouse Montecillo
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 12, 2019, 01:07:12 AM
Haven't watched this yet, so I don't know how spoilery it might be.  (Probably not much, since it's pre-release.)
[edit] Decided I'm just gonna wait 10 more days before watching this.

Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 13, 2019, 12:37:51 AM
Burt Reynolds' final hours: Preparing for role in Brad Pitt-Leonardo DiCaprio movie

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/entertainmentlife/20190711/burt-reynolds-final-hours-preparing-for-role-in-brad-pitt-leonardo-dicaprio-movie

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They call it the table read. In Hollywood, before shooting a movie, the cast sits at a big table and runs down the script line-by-line.

But this gathering, in the early summer of 2018, was no ordinary read-through. Not when the names around the table included Brad Pitt, Leonardo DiCaprio, Al Pacino, Margot Robbie, Kurt Russell and director Quentin Tarantino, who was especially excited because of another actor present, a man he'd felt a connection with since birth:

Burt Reynolds.

When Tarantino's new movie, the highly anticipated "Once Upon A Time in...Hollywood," comes out July 26, it may prove bittersweet for Reynolds' local fans and friends.

Reynolds' role wasn't meant to be huge in the film -- a sprawling panorama of late '60s Los Angeles covering everything from the film business to the Manson murders. But it was probably going to be his most attention-getting mainstream part since "Boogie Nights."

Flashback: Why celebrities loved working at the Burt Reynolds Theater in Jupiter

Over the years, nobody practiced the art of the comeback like Burt Reynolds.

But this time, it wasn't meant to be.

On Sept. 6, just as he finished running lines for the movie at his Hobe Sound mansion, just a week before he was to leave for Los Angeles and start filming his scenes, the 82-year-old actor suffered a fatal heart attack.

'Everybody at the table was a big star'

In recent years, if Reynolds made a public appearance, his good friend and frequent on-stage interviewer Todd Vittum was probably nearby. He accompanied Reynolds to the table read for Tarantino's movie and was a first-hand witness to the outpouring of respect for the actor.

"It was much like any table read -- very business-like," Vittum said. "Except that everybody at the table was a big star."

Reynolds and Tarantino had "an amazing connection," Vittum said, and the director was effusive that day in his praise for Reynolds' career.

"He said, 'There's a guy down at the end of the table who I was named after because my mom loved 'Gunsmoke.' My mom was going to name me either Quentin or Burt." (Reynolds' blacksmith character on the iconic TV Western was called Quint.)

Vittum recalled that all the actors warmly greeted Reynolds after the read.

"Al Pacino came up and asked (Reynolds), 'Why haven't we done this before?'"

Nobody seemed to be more excited to work with Reynolds than Pitt, who plays the stunt double pal to DiCaprio's Western TV actor as their lives interconnect with Charles Manson and his young, murderous followers during that apocalyptic summer 50 years ago.

Summer of 1969: What was happening in Palm Beach County 50 years ago?

"I'll tell you one of the greatest moments I've had in these however many years we've been at it in this town: getting to spend two days with Burt Reynolds on this film," Pitt told Esquire magazine earlier this year.

Reynolds' role was as the blind, aging George Spahn, a real-life character whose Western movie ranch became the Manson cult's headquarters before their killing sprees.

Tarantino said "the last performance Burt Reynolds gave" was at the table read and an extra rehearsal day with Pitt.

"I found out from three different people that the last thing he did just before he died was run lines with his assistant," Tarantino told Esquire. "Then he went to the bathroom, and that's when he had his heart attack."

That assistant was Vittum, who didn't talk much about it, other than to tell The Palm Beach Post that it "was poignant, for sure" that Reynolds' final day was spent pursuing the craft he loved. "He was still an actor at the top of his game. He was always preparing for a role."

Those two days in Los Angeles, however brief, confirmed for Pitt why he grew up loving Reynolds in his "Smokey and the Bandit" heyday.

"He was the guy," Pitt told Esquire. "Virile. Always had something sharp to say—funny as s***. A great dresser. Oh, man. And I had never met him...and getting to spend those days with him in rehearsal, I was really touched by him."

Adam Rifkin, his director for the well-regarded indie film "The Last Movie Star," told The Hollywood Reporter that Reynolds "was over the moon about Tarantino casting him. He thought he might have one last act in front of him."

Vittum agreed. "He was so looking forward to shooting it. It was such a complete shock (when he died). He'd passed the physical for it."

Perhaps alone among the cast, Reynolds had some unique insight into late '60s L.A., when he was working in Western films such as "100 Rifles" and "Sam Whiskey." He'd even shot some episodes of "Gunsmoke" on the Spahn ranch.

"He was very familiar with the guy who was in (TV) Westerns and trying to break into film," Vittum said, adding that the Pitt and DiCaprio roles were "a knowing nod" to Reynolds' close relationship with legendary stuntman and "Smokey" director Hal Needham.

After returning from the table read in Los Angeles, Reynolds was so pumped up that he made an unexpected stop at his Burt Reynolds Institute for Film and Theatre in North Palm Beach to tell the students about it.

"Hard to believe, but Burt was just as thrilled to meet Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt as (they) were to meet him," said institute managing director Donna Carbone.

"One of his students commented that none of those people were as talented or as big a celebrity. I remember how his entire posture changed and the utter humility in his voice when he said, 'Oh, no, I never accomplished what they have accomplished.' He even commented that one of the actors -- not sure if it was Pitt or DiCaprio -- was wearing the same shoes he was wearing. Burt might have been a big star to the world, but to himself he was just an actor who had gotten lucky."

Reynolds' scenes were supposed to be the last ones shot, and Vittum wonders what might have been if he'd been called in just a month or two earlier. The role is now played by Reynolds' good friend Bruce Dern, which Vittum sees as "karmic."

Nearly a year later, Vittum continues to process Reynolds' loss: "There's a surreality I still have driving down U.S. 1. He loved Palm Beach County and his stamp is everywhere."

And he thinks about how Reynolds had anticipated working with Tarantino, whose writing and characters he'd praised since seeing "Pulp Fiction."

"It would have been a great pairing," Vittum said.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 13, 2019, 05:49:53 PM
Quote from: jenkins on July 11, 2019, 03:41:22 PM
okay i have to remember and be there. wish me luck everyone who im not mentioning my goal to so you won't buy the ticket i want
Well...?  Howja do?
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on July 13, 2019, 06:14:49 PM
While we're waiting for the release in Europe, we need pictures of wilber, worldforgot and jenkins wearing eiffel tower hats
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on July 13, 2019, 07:01:15 PM
Meanwhile, I'll be on the Eiffel Tower, crying.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on July 13, 2019, 08:16:53 PM
Quote from: wilberfan on July 13, 2019, 05:49:53 PM
Quote from: jenkins on July 11, 2019, 03:41:22 PM
okay i have to remember and be there. wish me luck everyone who im not mentioning my goal to so you won't buy the ticket i want
Well...?  Howja do?

they went quick but i was smiling from my confirmation window. thanks for asking. best to your own endeavors
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 13, 2019, 10:01:35 PM
Quote from: Robyn on July 13, 2019, 06:14:49 PM
While we're waiting for the release in Europe, we need pictures of wilber, worldforgot and jenkins wearing eiffel tower hats

Thanks for the reminder.  Just ordered mine.  (Hope it arrives on time.)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07QZGPXD8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07QZGPXD8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on July 13, 2019, 11:07:04 PM
The final cut is three minutes longer than the one that screened at Cannes. He didn't change that much, apparently.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 16, 2019, 07:00:18 PM
Back in Time: Making Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood

Robert Richardson, ASC and a number of his collaborators discuss their approach — both technical and philosophical — to writer-director Quentin Tarantino's period tale of Tinseltown.

https://ascmag.com/articles/back-in-time-making-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood (https://ascmag.com/articles/back-in-time-making-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood)

It looks like a fascinating read, but I'm going to avoid it until after Sunday night's screening in case it's spoilery. 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on July 17, 2019, 10:19:53 AM
Fuckin' A, scored passes for a  Tuesday night advanced Sony screening in one of my favorite theaters in Miami, a single screen art house joint in Miami Beach with killer balcony seating that if i'm able to attend will be commandeered hastily by yours truly. Remember, FL is a Stand You Ground state, so I pack that heat.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 17, 2019, 11:37:55 AM
Awesome.  Congrats!  Don't forget to wear your Eiffel Tower hat. 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on July 20, 2019, 03:15:14 AM
I like this clip. Burlesque Leo is good Leo.

Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 20, 2019, 10:16:50 AM
I think this falls under the category of helpful advice rather than spoiler, but I've encountered a rumor that


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we need to stick around as there's an after-credits scene that wasn't present at Cannes.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on July 20, 2019, 11:07:15 AM
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It's right in your face credits, not something you have to wait for. Anyway, that's what I read.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 20, 2019, 05:50:11 PM
Tonight, tomorrow, and/or next week, don't forget to look really, really hard for Ricky, Bill, and your's truly...  ;)



(https://i.imgur.com/uNb1dhW.jpg)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: csage97 on July 21, 2019, 06:00:51 PM
Starts playing a day early (the 25th) at my local cinema! Can't wait.

After watching that clip, I'm still trying to decide if I like Leo DiCaprio or not. I thought he was great for Django Unchained and Titanic, but I watched Inception recently and wasn't too hot on it -- which could just be the Christopher Nolan writing and directing, because I think his dialogue is usually bad. The only movies I really liked from him were Dunkirk and Interstellar. But even with Dunkirk, Hoyt van Hoytema was the star of the show in my eyes.

I still need to see Wolf of Wall Street, but between Inception and this clip, I can't help but FEEL DiCaprio acting. As in I'm always drawn to the fact that he's acting rather than suspending my belief. We'll see. I'll probably enjoy it anyway.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Lempwick on July 21, 2019, 07:45:09 PM
Quote from: csage97 on July 21, 2019, 06:00:51 PM
Starts playing a day early (the 25th) at my local cinema! Can't wait.

After watching that clip, I'm still trying to decide if I like Leo DiCaprio or not. I thought he was great for Django Unchained and Titanic, but I watched Inception recently and wasn't too hot on it -- which could just be the Christopher Nolan writing and directing, because I think his dialogue is usually bad. The only movies I really liked from him were Dunkirk and Interstellar. But even with Dunkirk, Hoyt van Hoytema was the star of the show in my eyes.

I still need to see Wolf of Wall Street, but between Inception and this clip, I can't help but FEEL DiCaprio acting. As in I'm always drawn to the fact that he's acting rather than suspending my belief. We'll see. I'll probably enjoy it anyway.

Watch more.  Revolutionary Road, Blood Diamond, Catch Me If You Can, The Departed, What's Eating Gilbert Grape?, The Basketball Diaries, etc.  Trying to understand the appeal of DiCaprio based on one or two movies is like watching The Ballad of Jack and Rose and Nine and The Boxer and asking why some people love Daniel Day-Lewis.  Or only seeing Inventing the Abbots, Inherent Vice, and Quills, and being unsure about Joaquin's talent. 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 03:31:32 AM
I have so much I want to say about this movie.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on July 22, 2019, 04:39:26 AM
We're all ears and eyes!
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: csage97 on July 22, 2019, 05:58:13 AM
Quote from: Lempwick on July 21, 2019, 07:45:09 PM
Quote from: csage97 on July 21, 2019, 06:00:51 PM
Starts playing a day early (the 25th) at my local cinema! Can't wait.

After watching that clip, I'm still trying to decide if I like Leo DiCaprio or not. I thought he was great for Django Unchained and Titanic, but I watched Inception recently and wasn't too hot on it -- which could just be the Christopher Nolan writing and directing, because I think his dialogue is usually bad. The only movies I really liked from him were Dunkirk and Interstellar. But even with Dunkirk, Hoyt van Hoytema was the star of the show in my eyes.

I still need to see Wolf of Wall Street, but between Inception and this clip, I can't help but FEEL DiCaprio acting. As in I'm always drawn to the fact that he's acting rather than suspending my belief. We'll see. I'll probably enjoy it anyway.

Watch more.  Revolutionary Road, Blood Diamond, Catch Me If You Can, The Departed, What's Eating Gilbert Grape?, The Basketball Diaries, etc.  Trying to understand the appeal of DiCaprio based on one or two movies is like watching The Ballad of Jack and Rose and Nine and The Boxer and asking why some people love Daniel Day-Lewis.  Or only seeing Inventing the Abbots, Inherent Vice, and Quills, and being unsure about Joaquin's talent.

Very good point! You're right.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: csage97 on July 22, 2019, 06:00:29 AM
Quote from: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 03:31:32 AM
I have so much I want to say about this movie.

You saw it at the ArcLight? Want to give us any general opinions? Maybe mark them behind spoilers in case anyone wants to go in completely fresh?

I'm seeing it Wednesday. So excited.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 22, 2019, 10:11:36 AM
Quote from: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 03:31:32 AM
I have so much I want to say about this movie.

Speaketh sir! I have to wait until Thursday.  :doh:
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 11:53:45 AM
Can't do it yet.  I actually posted--and then took down--something last night.  And it was just three of those smiley things.  If someone wants some input off-board, I'll do that...
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 22, 2019, 12:06:33 PM
But to be clear: you *did* like/love it?  :)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on July 22, 2019, 12:15:11 PM
he didn't but it's wilber
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 12:17:47 PM
No comment, but he's not wrong.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on July 22, 2019, 12:41:08 PM
and it's not a moral aspersion to say you're statistically much more likely to not like a movie

and well it's okay with me that a voice against the movie sings immediately. happens
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 01:14:09 PM
That's absolutely accurate.  Statistically, the percentage of contemporary films I actually enjoy is abysmally low.  Not happy about it, but it is what it is.  So the likelihood that most of you will love this film is almost a certainty. 


You're welcome.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on July 22, 2019, 01:23:50 PM
But what did you think of The Hateful Eight? I ask because I think it's probably his best movie.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on July 22, 2019, 01:25:06 PM
Quote from: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 03:31:32 AM
I have so much I want to say about this movie.

Say all the thingz!! Ravenous for your opinion of it ~
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 01:28:57 PM
Quote from: Drenk on July 22, 2019, 01:23:50 PM
But what did you think of The Hateful Eight? I ask because I think it's probably his best movie.

Well, then your chances of loving Hollywood are good.

I hated Hateful, too.   Thought it a terrible Tarantino parody.   Embarassing.   Again, it had some moments--but moments don't make for a good film.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 22, 2019, 01:39:21 PM
Yay, I'm even more excited now! Jk Lol I appreciate your honesty sir, you're certainly entitled to your feelings, even up against a potential nerd firing squad.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 01:44:07 PM
Quote from: WorldForgot on July 22, 2019, 01:25:06 PM
Quote from: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 03:31:32 AM
I have so much I want to say about this movie.

Say all the thingz!! Ravenous for your opinion of it ~

OK.  But it's just my opinion.  And it will be the minority opinion.  And I will be pilloried and publicly mocked in the central square.  Eggs and rotten vegetables will be collected and hurled.  My Eiffel Tower hat will be stolen and defecated into.

No specific spoilers, but candid opinion to follow.

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I fucking hated this movie.

It draaaaaaged for me.  Scenes play out For. Ever.  Many scenes don't go anywhere.   I liked most of the performances (I thought Leo was fine--and actually liked Brad's character), but it just took forever to get anywhere.  And the anywhere it gets us?

Jesus, God, the third act is such bullshit. 

Belongs to an entirely different movie than this one.  I was incredulous when I saw he was actually going to do it.   

Now, there were moments.  More than one that I really enjoyed.  But individual moments to not make a good movie.    I found Rick's existential crises rather interesting, and would have loved to have seen that played out more intelligently than the third act allowed it to.

Now, to be fair, much of my disgust and disappointment could be due to the insane level of anticipation I had for this thing.  (You'll recall I spent 3 days on the set last summer.)   But I think if I had just awoken from a coma and someone said, "Hey, there's a new Tarantino flick!" , I still would have been disappointed.

I actually had the thought about 2/3rds of the way through, "I'd love to see the 100 minute version of this..."  After seeing the final third, I'd also insist on a new ending.  You know, one that was actually mature and intelligent. 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 01:48:55 PM
And the fucking bare feet.  In our faces.  The dirty. disgusting. bare. feet.   Quentin.  I'll start a GoFundMe page if you'd like to see a professional about this.

[edit] On a lighter note, Quentin came out to introduce the film.  Drunk.  And proceeded to warm us up like we were a game show audience.  it was fun seeing him enjoying himself so much (and the crowd loved it)--but it was a bit of an eye-roll for me.   I didn't hold it against him,  but I was just a tiny bit embarrassed for him.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on July 22, 2019, 01:54:51 PM
Quote from: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 01:48:55 PM
And the fucking bare feet.  in our faces.  The dirty. disgusting. bare. feet.   Quentin.  I'll start a GoFundMe page if you'd like to see a professional about this.


Feets for reference.

(https://previews.123rf.com/images/pejo/pejo0912/pejo091200046/6064752-naked-feet-of-two-young-woman-in-front-of-a-white-studio-background.jpg)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on July 22, 2019, 01:55:45 PM
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I'm actually very excited by what Tarantino described as a "day in the life", the fact that it's, mostly, plotless—but then it can drag for you, so I'm not sure how I'll feel about the movie when it will be released. I'm extremely worried about the third act. I've already written about it. I think it's the most dumb part of his career. But since this movie is about filmaking, it might work for me this time? Don't know.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 22, 2019, 01:56:09 PM
Dirty bare nasty hippy feet fits the time though. Remember Joaquin's in Vice?

QT's living his best life.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 01:58:19 PM
Quote from: eward on July 22, 2019, 01:56:09 PM
Dirty bare nasty hippy feet fits the time though. Remember Joaquin's in Vice?

QT's living his best life.

True.  But this was egregious.  And so Tarantino-esque.  Just a raging cliche for him by now.  And didn't serve any purpose.  Doc's mud stompers revealed something about his character. 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 22, 2019, 02:06:39 PM
maybe that added 2.5 mins post-Cannes footage consists entirely of foot b-roll...
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 02:11:52 PM
Oh, and here's another thing. 

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The dude spent a Metric Fuck Ton of somebody's money regressing Hollywood Blvd (and the Dome and the Aquarius, and...) to look like 1969.  I swear to fucking God there's no more than about 18 seconds in the film.  The level of detail on Hollywood Blvd was just enormously impressive.  Stuff that was obvious at the time would never actually be seen. 

But this just feels irresponsible.  Seriously.  Some Heaven's Gate-level shit, here.

Now granted, if we had seen all of it that he shot--the film would be an even bigger slog--so I can't fault him for taking it out, but...

I'm (seriously) looking-forward to a Special Edition blu-ray with all the extra footage, and making-ofs and such.  That would actually be entertaining.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 02:20:03 PM
It doesn't change anything, nor will it influence your reaction, but by way of my own defense, I was up till almost 2am last night DM-ing with two other people that were there who were also disappointed.  Not as strongly as mine, but one "Meh", and one "So many missed opportunities..".   (One of them a prominent L.A.-area Insta-er.  He promoted the shit out of it during the filming (and since) because he was so excited about the project, and he confessed to me early this morning that he can't really speak to his disappointment publicly on his feed because many of the people that worked on the film follow him and will probably get their feelings hurt.)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on July 22, 2019, 02:25:08 PM
It had a "meh" reaction at Cannes. Let's not forget that. It had its champions, and some people do love it, describing the movie as Tarantino's most melancholic movie, but a lot of French spectators on YouTube were underwhelmed.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 02:29:55 PM
I think there will be plenty of reactions like this one, though:  [tweet]1153181489191723008[/tweet]
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 02:32:12 PM
Oh, and the during-the-end-credits scene kind of falls flat, too.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 02:34:57 PM
Also from Mr. Hemphill:

QuoteI've seen and loved a lot of movies about movies and the people who make them, but I've never loved one as much as I loved Once Upon a Time ... in Hollywood, or seen one that gets it as right. The movie contains all of Quentin Tarantino's usual strengths – rich characterizations and dialogue, a lively engagement with history and pop culture, unpredictable but rock solid plotting, an impeccable sense of framing and cutting – but this time the effects are subtler and looser and more emotionally engaging than ever before. With this, his ninth and best feature, Tarantino's confidence and experience converge with the subject matter he was born to tackle, and the result is an affectionate, cathartic, and heartbreakingly beautiful masterpiece about the dream of the movies.

Source (https://www.talkhouse.com/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-is-my-god-what-a-movie/)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on July 22, 2019, 02:36:14 PM
Quote from: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 02:29:55 PM
I think there will be plenty of reactions like this one, though:  [tweet]1153181489191723008[/tweet]

Twitter has that kind of reaction for The Lion King or Ant-Man and the Wasp.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 02:53:41 PM
On the plus side, I guess, I did get one of these.

(https://i.imgur.com/E8AxhZw.jpg)

I think it's made out of aluminium.  A somewhat confused young lady with a briefcase right out of Pulp Fiction handed me one at the door.

Although now that I think about it, it just reminds me of my betrayal at the hands (feet??) of one of my cinematic lovers--so I might end up giving it away.  Possibly even to someone in here.

But, I don't know.  That would mean finding my Eiffel Tower hat, cleaning all the shit off of it, and returning it to me.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 22, 2019, 03:17:06 PM
Quote from: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 02:20:03 PM
Not as strongly as mine, but one "Meh", and one "So many missed opportunities.."

So it's the next Jackie Brown? YES.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 03:33:06 PM
I love JACKIE BROWN. 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Lempwick on July 22, 2019, 03:33:39 PM
I really liked The Hateful Eight.  My #1 of 2015.  Hated Django, love/like everything else QT's done, including the much maligned Death Proof. 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 22, 2019, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 03:33:06 PM
I love JACKIE BROWN.

Well shucks, just gotta wait and see it then.   :yabbse-smiley:
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: csage97 on July 22, 2019, 05:22:12 PM
Hey wilber, I don't mind that you didn't like it. Actually, I enjoy seeing criticisms from people who disliked something, as long as the criticisms are well-thought out and intelligent. There's nothing saying that you have to like it anyway.

About the ending (if you've seen it, PLEASE do not spoil it), I think we all know where it's likely going ... and when I first thought about it a few months back, I was okay with it. But now that I think about it, it's just going to be another "Quentin rewrites history with violence and hubris" yet again, this time solidifying the sort of thing into a tired cliche within his work. If that's how it plays out, I'll probably be rolling my eyes the whole time. I hope not.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 22, 2019, 05:27:36 PM
Quote from: csage97 on July 22, 2019, 05:22:12 PM
Hey wilber, I don't mind that you didn't like it. Actually, I enjoy seeing criticisms from people who disliked something, as long as the criticisms are well-thought out and intelligent. There's nothing saying that you have to like it anyway.

About the ending (if you've seen it, PLEASE do not spoil it), I think we all know where it's likely going ... and when I first thought about it a few months back, I was okay with it. But now that I think about it, it's just going to be another "Quentin rewrites history with violence and hubris" yet again, this time solidifying the sort of thing into a tired cliche within his work. If that's how it plays out, I'll probably be rolling my eyes the whole time. I hope not.

I have an inkling that the revisionist aspect (based on some quick shots in the trailer) is different than what everyone's expecting/I'd been fearing. We'll see if my guess is correct.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 22, 2019, 05:37:15 PM
Needless to say, I look forward to some other perspectives in a few days...    Maybe a revisit down the road, when the fevered anticipation (and butthurt) has waned, will provide a different experience.  Originally I was pondering how soon and where I would watch it again.  Guess I can cross that one off!   :yabbse-grin:
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on July 22, 2019, 05:47:36 PM
Wilberfan hates IV too, so his reaction to this one isn't much of a shock
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on July 22, 2019, 08:41:53 PM
wilber and i have entered the social circumstance where i once let him down while he was a real sweetie the whole time, so ive come to appreciate him as a person despite us probably never agreeing about any movie ever is my guess

therefore it's okay that wilber didn't like it and i don't think he'll be the only one either. qt hasn't been universal since pulp fiction and that's god's truth. and even some people didn't like pulp fiction!

i agree with drenk that most people like dumb shit anyway, never trust anybody anyway basically
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 23, 2019, 08:49:19 AM
'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' crew urged to 'avoid making eye contact' with Leonardo DiCaprio

By Tom Beasley

Some crew members on the set of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood were reportedly urged not to look Leonardo DiCaprio in the eye.

A source from the set of Quentin Tarantino's sprawling Los Angeles drama told The Hollywood Reporter that some crew members were "instructed to avoid making eye contact" with the Oscar-winning actor.

The revelation was made as part of an article looking into the 44-year-old's unique brand of movie stardom, which differs from many other figures in modern Hollywood and is more akin to the big beasts of the New Hollywood era in the 1970s and 1980s.

DiCaprio is described in the piece as being surrounded by a "carefully crafted air of mystery", despite being one of the most famous men in the world.

It's a persona that would appear to suit his Once Upon a Time in Hollywood character, Rick Dalton, who Tarantino has described as "a man full of inner turmoil".


:)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: putneyswipe on July 23, 2019, 10:29:45 PM
Also managed to catch this on Sunday @ the Cinerama. I disagree with Wilber, even if I'm not sure about my feelings for the ending, there's way too much pure cinematic joy and scale for me not to love this. The fact this exists is a miracle. I will say that I'm not sure everyone here will like it, especially if they love/compare this to Inherent Vice. Personally, I found this to be more satisfying than IV (I know this is sacrilege, but a lot of that movie still plays like visual cliffnotes for me) and a refreshingly non-romantic look at the late 60s - Rick and Cliff are more Bigfoot than Doc Sportello.

I posted a review on Letterboxd if any of you guys want to peep, but there are a few miniscule non-ending spoilers, just to be warned:
https://boxd.it/LB2bR (https://boxd.it/LB2bR)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Lempwick on July 23, 2019, 10:58:21 PM
Much as I loved PTA when he broke out, I've found his films tedious and uninteresting this past decade, like he became allergic to dynamic storytelling.  I have quibbles with QT, but nothing that damning. 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: putneyswipe on July 23, 2019, 11:31:18 PM
Quote from: Lempwick on July 23, 2019, 10:58:21 PM
Much as I loved PTA when he broke out, I've found his films tedious and uninteresting this past decade, like he became allergic to dynamic storytelling.  I have quibbles with QT, but nothing that damning.

Don't agree at all whatsoever, just in the case of IV I'd chose picking up the novel again over rewatching the film, but that's just me. This isn't PTA's thread so I shouldn't have brought it up, only mentioned it because I feel

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The movie may disappoint those looking for a more somber and realistic look at 1969


Anyway I can't wait to hear more reactions, I feel this will divide people strongly which will be entertaining.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 23, 2019, 11:46:34 PM
Quentin Tarantino Scored Rare Ownership Deal With 'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood'

By acquiring the copyright to his latest release, the filmmaker joins a rarefied group of helmers that includes George  Lucas and Mel  Gibson.

In November 2017, the auction for Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Quentin Tarantino's latest project, came down to two studios, Warner Bros. and Sony.

Both were ready to cover the hefty budget of $95 million. Both were willing to give the acclaimed filmmaker a significant cut of the back-end proceeds. And both acquiesced to him having final cut.

But when it came to ceding copyright control of the movie to the filmmaker, only Sony, then eager to build out a winning slate, was willing to do it.

With that line item, Sony won the right to finance and distribute what is now one of the buzziest movies of the year, and Tarantino became one of the few filmmakers to enjoy a rare and unique perk.

- - - - -

Tarantino didn't have to gamble money or an inordinate amount of time to earn the copyright to Once Upon a Time, whose budget came in at $90 million after the project qualified for a California tax credit. But he did create an entire media world surrounding DiCaprio's character. So if Tarantino wants to make a Bounty Law TV show (a fictitious series in Once Upon a Time), Sony won't own it, Tarantino will. However, Sony retains the right to be involved in a Once Upon a Time sequel or prequel.

Source (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/tarantino-scored-a-rare-deal-once-a-time-hollywood-1225415)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on July 24, 2019, 09:07:08 AM
All of the lauded write-ups parceled onto Once Upon a Time in Hollywood are downright fucking accurate, yet I'm slightly snagged on reconciling the whole Tate narrative. I get that she is a juxtaposition of success to Rick's dwindling spotlight, but ultimately her scenes, while enjoyable (there is really nothing wrong with them and Robbie makes their viewing doubly pleasurable) don't fully fit into the fabric in a convincingly functional manner. Ultimately, this movie is a fairy tale, that's how it feels to me anyway. I really want one more viewing before giving a firmer opinion. Enjoyed the hell out of it. I wouldn't really label it a hangout movie, doesn't have the axiom of a hangout movie like Jackie Brown, I'd put it closer to Pulp Fiction in that respect. Yes, we're hanging out with these folk, but it's mostly in service of the story, and call me nutty, there definitely is a story here. And it's about Rick.  (going into the end of the movie here, don't peep unless you want it spoiled)

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The hurdle I'm having a bit difficulty of hopping over is the mucking up of history, just feels odd, even if it services the central character arc of Rick, in the way Hitler and the kindling of the Third Reich services Basterds' Shoshana, Hans, and Aldo's stories, this feels kind of wrong. Whereas the Third Reich really was defeated, albeit through the sacrifice of millions of soldiers and not a military squad of Jewish-Americans, a French theater operaror, and a turncoat SS Col, the reversal of fortune here is harder to swallow. Those people were brutally murdered on Cielo Dr., and the killers made it back to Spahn with nary a scratch. Putting factuality on hold, the scene last scene on Cielo is fucking out of control good, brief as it was, lighting up those QT flares as good as any action scene in his movies, except for House of Blue Leaves. The violence is an incredibly heavy rush, the kind you feel in your bones, where it's almost like you're on the giving end of the knuckle sandwich, or in this case canned dog chow and a pit's lockjaw. It's the aftermath of the mayhem, when we see Jay Sebring and Sharon alive in the end, that feels like a desecration of real lives. I kind of had that feeling in Basterds at first, feeling like doing this was a disservice to all that heroes who died in battle, but like I said, this is on a much more personal level. Wonder how the Tate sister and Polanski feel about it.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on July 24, 2019, 09:15:31 AM
oh yeah, also having trouble with this...(again, going into the forbidden to reveal stuff)

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that kurt russell VO on the night of really is perplexing, going through what the Tate household was doing that night on a near hourly basis, a la the post intermission QT VO in Hateful Eight narrating what the characters had been doing since the pre intermission shooting, but here it goes on an on priming us for what we expect to go down, and then the events take that strange turn and exclude the Tate household completely, it's kind of a dirty trick, like in Funny Games when the guy rewinds on his buddy getting shot and changes the fate of it all
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on July 24, 2019, 09:20:29 AM
One last thing for now: everything before the Night Of is so, so very good. Damn near perfect. A love letter to movies, the craft, the period, the city, the people, all that. And the characters of Rick and Cliff are so fully realized after spending a single day with them you gotta tip your hat to QT with kudos for such perfect characterizations.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 24, 2019, 10:11:25 AM
Ahhhhh I want to read the forbidden stuff but I can't!!!  :doh: :(
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on July 24, 2019, 10:17:44 AM
I did.  :yabbse-grin: Well, the second one. Anyway, the best case scenario: I love most of the movie and the ending doesn't ruin it for me. All the signs point to Tate as a symbol of purity, which seems infantile to me...And there's no way to bring back some sense of reality to it, or to even acknowledge what happened in life, so it would need to be really, really well done to make me accept the "magic of cinema", but since this particular movie—unlike Basterds—is set in Hollywood, well, who knows...

I had a dream where it worked.

I love male partnership in stories, so that's why I'm mostly excited for this one: the invisible duo.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: putneyswipe on July 25, 2019, 02:20:18 PM
I will say Drenk that the metatextual layer of this being a story about moviemaking and Hollywood made the ending feel like the only appropriate one in this context. I found the last shot in particular to be weirdly moving, definitely his most emotional ending since Jackie Brown. Again, if you're looking for a documentary about 1969 you'll be disappointed, but I don't think anybody was expecting that.

I'll be going to dip in again soon. We haven't had something like this in theaters for a very long time.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: csage97 on July 25, 2019, 10:55:47 PM
My review: wilber is crazy.

:yabbse-grin:

Just kidding! Just messing around with you, wilber. Here are my actual thoughts:

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I personally loved it. Well, most of it. It felt somewhat loose and meandering in a way, but then again, not really. Indeed, so much of it was a love letter to filmmaking, and also a love letter to Tarantino's memory of that time (the radio music, the neon signs). But it's certainly not a documentary about that time, either, as others have said.

I can see how some people would be lukewarm on it, I suppose. Some of the humour came on a bit strong, though the audience really enjoyed it. But most of the humour was great. One of my favourite bits was Cliff giving his thoughts on the Rick movie while watching it on the TV set at Rick's place ("Shot 'm right in the face!" just like Marvin). In a lot of ways, it was just a hangout movie about friendship, filmmaking, and the end of eras (both with actor archetypes and certain kinds of movies, ones like this one).

The end ... well, it was almost exactly what I expected. We knew it was coming, and I'm still trying to decide how I feel about it. The violence had the theatre gasping and laughing out loud, and everyone erupted in applause when the credits rolled. I'll probably get my thoughts about it together soon, but I know that I for sure greatly enjoyed the first parts of the movie leading up to the ending finale.

Maybe my only gripe was that Cliff is sort of a super-human character with his toughness in a campy way. The movie makes clear near the beginning that he he probably killed his wife, and I think it said he's a veteran (?), so he must be a tough guy. But something about his character seems a bit off in the sense that he's such a smooth-talking, ass-kicking hunk of a man who somehow hasn't made it and lives in a disgusting trailer eating shitty Mac and Cheese and drinking beer, yet shows no sign of fear ever and will give Bruce Lee an ass-whooping at the snap of his fingers. It's not too wild, but pretty campy in that sense. Still, I love watching Brad Pitt on the screen.

Oh yeah, and DiCaprio was just great in this movie.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jviness02 on July 25, 2019, 10:57:11 PM
I'm about to watch it for a second time to gather my thoughts, but my initial reaction is:

Performances are absolutely fantastic.
Cinematography and production are fantastic.
The opening is pretty entertaining.
The middle to right before the ending is some of Tarantino's best work.
The ending is entertaining as hell, but weird.

Second viewing will make it more clear to me, but I love a lot about it.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: csage97 on July 25, 2019, 11:13:18 PM
Oh yeah, one more thought:

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DAMN there were a lot of feet in this movie. Tarantino really went wild this time. A little less would've been more subtle and made the "foot fixation" less noticeable and that would be fine. At one point, my friends and I were laughing at how much the feet were so there; I think it was around the time Margaret Qualey's feet were right in the face of the camera on Cliff's windshield, right after showing Margot Robbie's dirty feet in the cinema.

And so many shots that start out on people's feet and then move up to show their body or face. Bare feet, feet in shoes and boots. Dirty feet. Feet feet feet. I mean, it's definitely not a deal breaker, but Quentin really wore the feet on his sleeve in this one.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 26, 2019, 12:50:00 AM
This is the best movie of the year.

....until the ending.

I have to sit with it a bit, and will clarify my thoughts after seeing it again Saturday, but
I absolutely loved it, until I didn't. And really trying my best to be objective, but his narrative choices in the last fifteen minutes don't make a lick of sense to me.

Still...
This ranks high. As said before, everything leading up to the Night Of is fantastic.

85% Masterpiece. 15% hugely missed opportunities


Edit: I WAS WRONG. The ending is perfect. Best movie of the year.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on July 26, 2019, 02:10:28 AM
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Sharon at the Box Office and Cliff with Squeaky are shot alike, off kilter in close up. Being screened to asses their past.


This is a time capsule to the era and ideologies that birthed his fixationz, those genrez and personalitiez, not a film ensconced within genre and personality. A singular perspective on why we play pretend . Just a glimpse toward Cielo.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on July 26, 2019, 06:22:02 AM
Oh, the diverse reactions to the ending is exciting!

I'll try to stay away from this thread now until I watch it myself. Just wanted a sneak peek.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 26, 2019, 09:32:37 AM
'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' DP Robert Richardson Featured in 'Behind the Screen' Podcast

Link (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/once-a-time-hollywood-dp-featured-thrs-behind-screen-1226416)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on July 26, 2019, 09:34:10 AM
One of my favorite bits of its vibe:
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https://twitter.com/Nickrob/status/1154665390644973568


Two people I know are seeing this as their first QT and I really wonder how this will play for that crowd that isn't invested in auteurs or cinema. Like Pulp Fiction, I get the sense it might be better for those in the total dark.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 26, 2019, 10:02:55 AM
Yes, that joy is palpable throughout!

Reservations be damned, I still really loved this movie. Can't wait to see it again.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on July 26, 2019, 06:17:59 PM
enjoyed this:

QuoteThere's a hard cut to black between two scenes in Quentin Tarantino's Once Upon a Time in ... Hollywood, and for a brief moment the theater got very quiet. Suddenly, the room was filled with something I hadn't experienced in a very long time: The sound of a film projector. Once so ubiquitous and so comforting, that steady rattle of celluloid shuttling through metal was so foreign in that moment it took me a couple of seconds to recognize it. It made me happy to hear that sound again — and it also made me sad to realize that this beautiful thing that was once a huge part of my life is now basically extinct.

That feeling of joy blended with melancholy for a bygone era never left me through the rest of Once Upon a Time in ... Hollywood, although it was occasionally joined by other emotions including fear, shock, and giddy excitement. Tarantino once told an interviewer that all his movies are "achingly personal ... I may be talking about a bomb in a theater, but that's not what I'm really talking about." In this case, while Once Upon a Time is nominally about a couple of grizzled showbiz vets teetering on the edge of career obsolescence, Tarantino is really talking about film's obsolescence, particularly in the literal sense of the word — like the kind fluttering through the projector at my press screening. But rather than mourn what's been lost, Tarantino throws a rowdy, bawdy party celebrating everything this medium can achieve. If film is dead, then Once Upon a Time in ... Hollywood is its Irish wake.

https://screencrush.com/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-review/
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jviness02 on July 26, 2019, 08:34:02 PM
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On second viewing, I can't help but feel this movie is about both Tarantino's childhood and also his supposed impending retirement. The counterculture androgynous leading men taking over Hollywood and ruining Rick Dalton's career seem to be digital and streaming to Quentin Tarantino. As the Manson Murders are symbolic for the "end of the 60s",  the only way for Rick's career to survive is if the "60s" never come to an end. Rick essentially stops them from ending by nullifying the events of the Manson Murders. If one moment was symbolic for the birth of streaming or digital, Quentin would very much like to wipe it from existence.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on July 27, 2019, 02:32:27 PM
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on July 27, 2019, 03:22:13 PM
Can anyone who's seen the film tell me how much she's in it? Without spoilers of course.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Reel on July 27, 2019, 03:28:41 PM
Sure:
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She's only in one scene but there's a lot of backstory to her character
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on July 27, 2019, 04:17:21 PM
 :yabbse-thumbup:  :yabbse-thumbup:  :yabbse-thumbup:
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on July 27, 2019, 05:19:50 PM
Richard Brody hated it:

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-front-row/review-quentin-tarantinos-obscenely-regressive-vision-of-the-sixties-in-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood

But

Quote"Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood" is about a world in which the characters, with Tarantino's help, fabricate the sublime illusions that embody their virtues and redeem their failings—and then perform acts of real-life heroism to justify them again.

...that doesn't sound particularly bad to me.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 27, 2019, 05:31:45 PM
In an attempt to feel less like an outlier, I've been scoping-out the negative reviews this week.  I'm somewhat comforted by the fact that at least we're all mentioning the same issues...

[edit] And I notice the aggregate scores are creeping down.  The audience rating is now at 77%  (Still pretty good, tho, obviously--but dropping...)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 27, 2019, 05:41:07 PM
Quote from: Robyn on July 27, 2019, 03:22:13 PM
Can anyone who's seen the film tell me how much she's in it? Without spoilers of course.


I don't know--or have forgotten--the significance of this woman.  It's said that they hate her over in the r/Tarantino world--but I have no idea why.   What's the significance, here?
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on July 27, 2019, 06:03:07 PM
Quote from: wilberfan on July 27, 2019, 05:41:07 PM
Quote from: Robyn on July 27, 2019, 03:22:13 PM
Can anyone who's seen the film tell me how much she's in it? Without spoilers of course.


I don't know--or have forgotten--the significance of this woman.  It's said that they hate her over in the r/Tarantino world--but I have no idea why.   What's the significance, here?

I like her personally. Seems like a sweet person.

Watch the video above. She was Uma Thurman's stunt double in Kill Bill, then Tarantino wrote a part for her in Death Proof, where she basically play herself. She's not an actor, so I guess people thought she was bad in it. And annoying as well from what I've seen.

She also had a super small role in Django and a bigger one in Hateful Eight. There's no significance to her besides being friends with Quentin and being casted in his movies.

Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 27, 2019, 06:04:15 PM
Quote from: Drenk on July 27, 2019, 05:19:50 PM
Richard Brody hated it:

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-front-row/review-quentin-tarantinos-obscenely-regressive-vision-of-the-sixties-in-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood

But

Quote"Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood" is about a world in which the characters, with Tarantino's help, fabricate the sublime illusions that embody their virtues and redeem their failings—and then perform acts of real-life heroism to justify them again.

...that doesn't sound particularly bad to me.

Richard Brody sucks now.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on July 27, 2019, 09:34:06 PM
Quote from: Robyn on July 27, 2019, 06:03:07 PM
Quote from: wilberfan on July 27, 2019, 05:41:07 PM
Quote from: Robyn on July 27, 2019, 03:22:13 PM
Can anyone who's seen the film tell me how much she's in it? Without spoilers of course.


I don't know--or have forgotten--the significance of this woman.  It's said that they hate her over in the r/Tarantino world--but I have no idea why.   What's the significance, here?
There's no significance to her besides being friends with Quentin and being casted in his movies.

And being his Stunt Coordinator
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: putneyswipe on July 28, 2019, 05:01:53 AM
Quote from: eward on July 27, 2019, 06:04:15 PM
Quote from: Drenk on July 27, 2019, 05:19:50 PM
Richard Brody hated it:

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-front-row/review-quentin-tarantinos-obscenely-regressive-vision-of-the-sixties-in-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood

But

Quote"Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood" is about a world in which the characters, with Tarantino's help, fabricate the sublime illusions that embody their virtues and redeem their failings—and then perform acts of real-life heroism to justify them again.

...that doesn't sound particularly bad to me.

Richard Brody sucks now.

He's the left's Armond White at this point. A talented writer who finds a way to make everything about political binaries
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on July 28, 2019, 09:30:05 AM
Quote from: WorldForgot on July 27, 2019, 09:34:06 PM
Quote from: Robyn on July 27, 2019, 06:03:07 PM
Quote from: wilberfan on July 27, 2019, 05:41:07 PM
Quote from: Robyn on July 27, 2019, 03:22:13 PM
Can anyone who's seen the film tell me how much she's in it? Without spoilers of course.


I don't know--or have forgotten--the significance of this woman.  It's said that they hate her over in the r/Tarantino world--but I have no idea why.   What's the significance, here?
There's no significance to her besides being friends with Quentin and being casted in his movies.

And being his Stunt Coordinator

You're right. I shouldn't diminish that.

Most importantly, she did the stunts in Xena: Warrior Princess.  :yabbse-grin:
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 28, 2019, 11:14:05 AM
The ending...

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...I now love wholeheartedly. <3<3
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 28, 2019, 03:13:55 PM
I'm beginning to suspect that once the film is available for home viewing that I probably will give it another go.  I honestly don't think my overall opinion will change, but it will afford an opportunity to watch it differently.  It will be interesting to see what a little distance (and zero expectations) will provide.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on July 28, 2019, 05:11:51 PM
it's genetically different from his other movies and im like obsessed with it. it's nonsense to struggle with the third act; some kind of personal problem. qt loves movies and my god this movie feels like love
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: samsong on July 28, 2019, 05:21:13 PM
tarantino's sensibilities here are more attuned to the likes of antonioni than leone, more blow-up than blow out, and i found it to be enthralling and joyous in the midst of the melancholy/gravitas of his ideas.  this is his the man who shot liberty valance--equal parts paean and requiem for a bygone era, and among the most poignant closing arguments in any oeuvre.  (we'll see if tarantino really does pull the plug after one more... or just this?) 

the ending's beautiful and heartbreaking.  a much more effective implementation of his wish fulfillment historical revisionism from basterds, and a kissing cousin of murnau's "happy" ending in the last laugh, while the delayed "gratification" of the absurdist violence with the film's protagonists taking agency against the palpable inevitability of their fates (like mammoths in a tar pit) called jeanne dielman to mind... hyperextension probably, but it's where my brain went.  films-as-fair-tales expressed with this much ambivalence are always up my alley, too.  (see: le plaisir)

i really, really, really fucking loved this movie.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: bigperm on July 28, 2019, 05:59:51 PM
Since Thursday I've been in a dream-like spell that this movie cast over me. Smile on my face, completely inspired, enthralled and simple joy. Windows down, soundtrack on repeat - and as much as I'm foaming at the mouth to watch again something tells Me perhaps to never see it again since I had a blissful theatrical experience that has planted me square in the clouds and I'm thankful
To have a director completely able to make a film like this and play by his own rules, bravo. 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 28, 2019, 06:03:24 PM
Quote from: samsong on July 28, 2019, 05:21:13 PM
i really, really, really fucking loved this movie.

Me too. And though the ending didn't click for me on viewing 1 - my true crime brain resisted it - viewing 2 left me feeling quite emotional as the credits started rolling over that beautiful final shot, and so grateful this movie exists.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 29, 2019, 06:47:38 AM
'Once Upon a Time In Hollywood' nabs Quentin Tarantino's biggest opening

By Frank Pallotta

New York (CNN Business) - Quentin Tarantino's "Once Upon a Time In Hollywood" exceeded expectations this weekend becoming the director's highest-grossing opening weekend ever.

The film, which takes place in 1969 Hollywood and stars Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt, made an estimated $40.4 million between Friday and Sunday. It took the No. 2 spot at the domestic box office this weekend.

Sony had projected the film would make roughly $30 million this weekend. Tarantino's previous highest-grossing opening was "Inglourious Basterds," which opened to $38 million in 2009.

The windfall for the film this weekend may not seem like much compared to some of the big numbers brought in from the likes of Disney (DIS) this summer, but it's a strong start for an R-rated original film that's not connected to a brand or franchise. "Once Upon a Time In Hollywood" came with a budget of $90 million.

Tarantino's name recognition, the film's A-list cast and strong reviews likely helped the film this weekend. "Once Upon a Time In Hollywood" garnered an 86% review score on Rotten Tomatoes and a "B" CinemaScore from audiences.

"The Lion King" took the No. 1 spot for the second weekend in a row. Disney's remake of the 1994 animated classic made an estimated $75.5 million domestically this weekend.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Sleepless on July 29, 2019, 12:02:33 PM
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Well, I loved it. I think Jackie Brown is probably still my favorite Tarantino, but this may well be his masterpiece. Hyperbole? Could be. I've only see OUATIH once so far, but the film has been swimming in my thoughts ever since. And the soundtrack has been playing on loop.

I can't wait to see it again. And again. Watching it for the first time, I wasn't really sure what to expect. There were moments when I'll admit it did feel a little bloated and directionless. I wonder whether that would still be the case on repeat viewings. I suspect not. (That said, the film still has some messy edges and moments when Tarantino is clearly indulging himself, of course. And I'm not just talking about the feet.)

The ending, I loved. The more I think about it, the more perfect it seems. It elevates everything that went before it. Others have already pointed out that the clue is in the title "Once upon a time..."; this is a fairytale. But it's not just a filmmaker rewriting history simply because he can, or to enact extreme violence upon those who committed such acts in real life.

It's an ending which delivers a happy ending to those three character we've just spent the past two hours with. Cliff finally gets to become the central hero in his own story. Rick is welcomed into the new ruling circle of Hollywood and will, presumably, get a whole new act of his career. Sharon's innocence is preserved.

The whole film is inarguably a love letter to cinema, and the ending is a huge part of that. We might live in a miserable world, now as much as ever, but cinema is valuable because it gives us an escape from reality, it can give us a happy ending and send us out from the theatre with huge goofy grins on our faces, even when we know that happy ending didn't happen in real life.

Sharon watching herself on screen in the cinema speaks to this. Yes, she's assessing herself, but she's also, clearly, taking great pleasure in the fact that her work is bringing great pleasure to others. She is partly responsible for offering them a respite from their real lives. That is the power of cinema.

I don't want this to be Tarantino's swan song. I want him to do a lot more after this.


Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on July 29, 2019, 04:08:44 PM
An article on The Boat Scene (https://nerdist.com/article/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-boat-scene-cliff/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=nerdist&utm_content=Let%27s%20Talk%20About%20That%20Boat%20Scene%20in%20ONCE%20UPON%20A%20TIME...%20IN%20HOLLYWOOD)

Something I rly, rly dig about this movie is that it offers a refraction of Natalie Wood's life through three different characters.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 30, 2019, 11:00:01 AM
Should we be concerned that we haven't heard from Mr. Blackman regarding this opus yet?    You OK, buddy...?   
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 30, 2019, 11:46:16 AM
Spotify's "THE QUENTIN TARANTINO PODCAST"

https://open.spotify.com/show/7yLvxyJ9xPj3er5nE7QKnC?si=UQmRRW3YT7yPY1vq0gorCw (https://open.spotify.com/show/7yLvxyJ9xPj3er5nE7QKnC?si=UQmRRW3YT7yPY1vq0gorCw)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on July 30, 2019, 12:16:43 PM
And if you're craving a retrospective of OUATIH'z cinema backbone there's "QT's Feature Presentation" (https://art19.com/shows/halloween-unmasked)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 30, 2019, 01:27:03 PM
^^ Yes! New episode up today!
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on July 30, 2019, 07:08:36 PM
Black Ops was released in 1969!

(https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/31/3/1564531686-capture-d-ecran-2019-07-31-a-02-04-13.png)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 30, 2019, 09:05:00 PM
If you're interested, here's a page with a lot of photos of the incredible detail that Quentin & Co. put into regressing Hollywood Blvd last summer for OUATIH.  (Bill and I spent a lot of time in the Larry Edmund's doorway that week.)

https://theatresinmovies.blogspot.com/2018/06/once-upon-time-in-hollywood.html (https://theatresinmovies.blogspot.com/2018/06/once-upon-time-in-hollywood.html)


I've commented earlier how incredible it is to me that we see almost none of this effort in the film itself.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on July 30, 2019, 09:29:18 PM
I love that. I don't even mind if it's not in the film. They all evolved in that world while shooting the movie. I'm sure it had its effects.

Also: I laughed before Google loaded the page because I knew I'd find this:

(https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/31/3/1564542815-capture-d-ecran-2019-07-31-a-05-12-09.png)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 30, 2019, 11:49:14 PM
Just saw this tonight... and completely loved it... and not sure I can explain why. Much like Midsommar, I can also 100% understand why one would dislike this movie.

Hateful Eight was QT fully unchained in full indulgence mode. Hollywood is a continuation of that freedom and total indulgence but feels even more personal. He's just making exactly what he wants to make and hoping people will share his passion. I love the purity of that, and it certainly worked for me.

It also manages to surpass the sweetness and empathy of Jackie Brown. I really don't think I've been as emotionally affected by a QT film before.

Severe spoilers:

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The friendship at the center of the movie is enormously and effortlessly moving, and probably the best "bromance" I've seen in any medium. But I was even more moved by everything with Sharon Tate. I appreciate that Quentin and Margot Robbie have such a delicate touch with this character. They give us a full sense of Sharon's humanity—she's such a beacon of light here—while preserving a mythical quality about this historical figure.

For that reason, this is one of QT's very best endings. We're caught up in the wish fulfillment and quite happy about that last very sweet scene, but that makes the moment even more heartbreaking. Because you're reminded of exactly what was lost, and what could have been that was stolen.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on July 31, 2019, 11:49:11 AM
been meaning to post, seen it again on Friday and am over the hill about it, the ending fully gelling for me on second go. i think the first time was like have the rug torn from under, the second viewing was the rare rush that only a QT movie can deliver. going for a third serving shortly.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 31, 2019, 01:33:00 PM
Much spoils:

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I absolutely love the way QT deflates and belittles the Manson family. Some have criticized this choice as historically inaccurate, claiming that they had actual sophistication and goals and wanted to start a race war, etc. But I don't know. That take is not only debatable, it's just not worth exploring. QT had the opportunity to dig into this juicy content about these psychopaths who had crazy/interesting ideas, but he resisted on principle, instead giving them exactly the treatment they deserve. We even get a brief scene where one of the girls describes her dumb philosophical idea, and it's just as contemptibly stupid as it probably was in reality. Bravo, in my opinion.

Seeing some critiques that Sharon Tate was under-served by the film. I mean, I get it, but that's such a surface-level reading. If you accept that she's a side character (which some people can't, and that's fair), she's about as full as a side character can get. The portrayal is luminous and almost angelic but stops just short of putting her on a pedestal. For example the way she seeks attention at the movie theater is pitch-perfect, I think. She gets a little greedy there, but in a playful and understandable fashion, just being caught up in her fame and savoring it in an endearing way.

Lindsey Romain (film writer and Tate expert) praised the way QT focuses on Sharon Tate's work and career (theater scene) and intellect (bookstore scene) and her love of music (many scenes), rather than simply obsessing about her beauty as others have.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 31, 2019, 03:05:28 PM
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Yes! I love how he belittles them too, particularly Tex. His famous line, "I'm the devil, and I'm here to do the devil's business" which he actually said that night, is totally deflated by Brad's response, having just asked for his name: "...nah, it was dumber than that." Then later when he's speaking with the cops: "He said, 'I'm the devil, or...doing the devil's...' I dunno, some devil shit." Huge laughs both times I saw it.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on July 31, 2019, 03:22:12 PM
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Right on! I had no idea Tex actually said that. Cliff is a constant delight. "And I'm here to do some er, devil shit."

And after he prepares dinner for himself and Brandy, talking to the TV "yeah!" Cliff, Squeaky, Frykowski. TV iz their constant companion. Rick's Great Escape scene and Sharon recalling her training, we all tinker with our fantasies, even work toward them. I'm so, so glad QT worked toward this one.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: csage97 on August 01, 2019, 12:59:35 AM
Saw it for a second time today. I ended enjoying it even more this time. The movie felt longer the first time I saw it .... It kind of felt like a breeze this time, and like I'd like a four-hour extended edition.  :yabbse-grin: It feels like I want to hang out even longer with these characters.

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The Polanski joke at the Playboy Mansion got me both times. Someone at the party says Sharon's type is small cute guys who look like 12 year-old boys ... hahaha.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 01, 2019, 06:45:41 AM
Quote from: WorldForgot on July 30, 2019, 12:16:43 PM
And if you're craving a retrospective of OUATIH'z cinema backbone there's "QT's Feature Presentation" (https://art19.com/shows/halloween-unmasked)

New, and final, episode up today! They discuss PTA and Boogie Nights among other things...   :)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on August 01, 2019, 07:49:12 AM
I'm sorry, but what's her absurd monologue about the n word about? Only "clear" vilains use it? We're supposed to "like" Tarantino in Pulp Fiction, the guy who says that he doesn't want a "Dead Black Nigger" in his garage and who's only concerned about the fact that her wife would be angry at him? We're supposed to like characters in his movies? I mean, outside of Django, I see no real hero—even the Basterds are psychopaths...

She wanted him to apologize or what? She vaguely explained her point of view and was disappointed that Tarantino could not own what she stated was a mistake.

In what world do they live? I hear the word a lot in its new, innocent, usage, so I never feel like he's over-using it in movies. In Pulp, when he uses it, it's pretty ON THE NOSE that the guy is despicable. He had a Confederate flag in the shop of the rapists, a few minutes before. He's never been light about the racist history of the word or the racist history of America.

They barely talk about Boogie Nights. It's very disapointing, Episode 2 was way better.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 01, 2019, 08:11:20 AM
Yeah Ep 2 was better. She has some annoying opinions sometimes, but I find her generally likable. As for Boogie, QT's

PODSPOILS

surprising criticism of Boogie Nights is actually pretty legit, albeit a minor gripe.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on August 01, 2019, 08:34:45 AM
I didn't say that she was not likable, it just seemed extremely weird to include this in the middle of the podcast. Especially when they could have talked more expansively of the movies. It was all jingles and non sequitur.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 01, 2019, 08:43:18 AM
Quote from: Drenk on August 01, 2019, 08:34:45 AM
I didn't say that she was not likable, it just seemed extremely weird to include this in the middle of the podcast. Especially when they could have talked more expansively of the movies. It was all jingles and non sequitur.

Have you listened to Unspooled?
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 01, 2019, 08:59:14 AM
This review is absolute dog shit

Mary McNamara: 'Once Upon a Time ... in Hollywood' is Quentin Tarantino's 'Make America Great Again'

I have seen a lot of "Who would win in a fight?" lists, from the classic — Batman versus Superman — to the current — Nancy Pelosi versus Kellyanne Conway — but I can safely say none included Butch and Sundance versus Tex Watson and the Manson girls.

Until now, of course.

In "Once Upon a Time ... in Hollywood," Rick Dalton (Leonardo DiCaprio) and his stuntman Cliff Booth (Brad Pitt) are not real cowboys, but they play them in the movies. Like the titular leads of "Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid," Rick and Cliff find themselves facing obsolescence in a culture with dwindling interest in their particular skill sets or brand of "High Noon" masculinity. Like Butch and Sundance, they are granted one last stand.

Only this time, the cowboys win.

In a plot twist that required the use of an acid-laced cigarette to smooth over the gaping holes in narrative and historical credulity, Rick and Cliff (and Cliff's dog!) kill the murderous hippie freaks in a literal blaze of glory and ride off into the sunset (albeit one of them in an ambulance).

"Once Upon a Time ... in Hollywood" has been hailed by many as a fairy tale, an homage to that place of dreams formerly known as Tinseltown. And at more than two and half hours, much of it spent finding just the right camera angle for Brad Pitt's jaw, Quentin Tarantino's thrift-store-scavenged, photo-archive-and-classic-car-show-looted journey is certainly an homage to something.

Watching two middle-aged white guys grapple with a world that does not to value them as much as they believe it should, it was tough not to wonder if that something was the same narrow, reductive and mythologized view of history that has made red MAGA hats the couture of conservative fashion.

Oh, for the good old days.

It could have been Cliff's easy trouncing of Asian upstart Bruce Lee (Mike Moh), or Rick's constant "NIMBY" complaints about all these long-hairs, or maybe it was just the overkill of seeing a Good Humor truck pull up next to a milk truck while hippies openly smoked weed on Hollywood Boulevard. (Wait, does Tarantino have a problem with weed?) Whatever the reason, as I shifted in my seat waiting for the film's climax, Tarantino's elegy for a time when men were men and women were madonnas, whores or nags and the only people who spoke Spanish were waiters —"Don't cry in front of the Mexicans" is an actual line played for laughs — began to feel ominously familiar.

If nothing else, "Once Upon a Time ... Hollywood" laid to rest the notion of Hollywood liberalism — any industry still so invested in sentimentalizing a time of studio fiefdoms, agents played by Al Pacino in a wig-hat and white-guy buddy movies can hardly be considered progressive.

Not that I don't enjoy buddy movies or the occasional trip down local selective-memory lane — I too have fond memories of Westerns, Good Humor trucks and ice-cube trays with handles. I too admire the strong competence of a man who can leap from ground to wall to rooftop to display perfect abs before deftly fixing a television antenna. And as a journalist of a certain age, I understand the frustration of having to adjust to the changing demands of a profession you thought you'd mastered while younger folks wonder what it is you don't get.

Nostalgia is fun, and fine when used recreationally. But it's time to face the dangers of our national addiction to reveling in visions of the past that are, at best, emotionally curated by a select few and, at worst, complete nonsense.

Much has been said about film and television makers rummaging through the cultural recycling bin for proven hits — the other big summer movie is a live-action "Lion King" and HBO even has a new "Perry Mason" in the works. But even original, and often very fine, works are fueled by our wistful obsession with "vintage." Whether it's the resurrection of leg warmers or fedoras, the British class system, Winona Ryder or, heaven help us, Charles Manson, nostalgia is the new sex and the exquisite museum-like quality of the detail found in period films and television series is its porn.

The costumes, the cutlery, the signage, the slang and, always, the music; increasingly, viewers live for the money shot of whatever bit of cultural detritus will send them reeling back to their youth when go-go boots/day drinking/pixie cuts were cool the first time around.

When times, it is implied if not directly stated, were simpler.

Even though they weren't. Ever.

Unless you were a member of the white, male, Christian, heterosexual, able-bodied, culturally conforming, non-addicted, mentally well, moneyed elite, there was literally no time in history that was simpler, better, easier or greater. For most people, history is the story of original oppression gradually lessened through a series of struggles and setbacks.

"Once Upon a Time ... in Hollywood" is a masterpiece of nostalgia porn — the still recent assassination of Robert Kennedy, reduced to a few snippets of radio reporting about the sentencing of Sirhan Sirhan, is nothing compared to the wonders of the parking lot of Musso and Frank. And Tarantino wields nostalgia on two levels, adoring 1969 even as he looks wistfully back to earlier days when Spahn Ranch was a television set.

And he has chosen as his driving force an actor upset because he is no longer seen as hero material and his loyal stunt-man companion, who may or may not have murdered his wife. That this death is treated as a joke, and the wife visible only once, in flashback, as a braying nag in a bikini, could be viewed as an indictment of the Playboy-cartoon misogyny of the time. Could be, if Cliff were not portrayed with such charming tough-guy chivalry. If this guy murdered his wife, she probably deserved it.

So for Cliff's wife anyway, not such a golden era.

Nor for Sharon Tate, portrayed by Margot Robbie as the ultimate golden-haired girl next door.

By giving the ballad of Rick and Cliff Manson-family adjacency — Rick lives on Cielo Drive, Rick gives a comely Manson girl a lift to the ranch — Tarantino allows himself to bask in the wonders of the Playboy grotto as the audience provides the dread: We know what's going to happen, an event so horrifying and resonant that it will make the problems of two little people amount to less than a hill of beans in this crazy world.

Except, of course, it doesn't. Not content with romanticizing history, Tarantino, as he has before, rewrites it.

Because that's exactly what we need at this moment in time: a little fake history.

Rick and Cliff do not become simply two of millions in a city terrorized by the Manson murders. They become good old-fashioned heroes; Cliff grins in the face of the real-life bogeyman (and women) before siccing his dog on them. Then Rick manages, with a movie prop, to burn a woman to death while she is in a pool. Talk about the magic of Hollywood!

Do we wish someone had somehow prevented the murders of Sharon Tate, Jay Sebring, Voytek Frykowski, Steven Parent, Abigail Folger and Rosemary and Leno LaBianca? Of course we do. Just as we wish someone had prevented the rise of Adolf Hitler or outlawed at least some of the types of guns used in mass shootings, including the one that occurred in Gilroy the same weekend "Once Upon a Time ... in Hollywood opened.

But as powerful as film is, it cannot rewrite the actual events of history.

It can reveal the untold stories, uncover hidden truths, and clarify the context of history by looking at it in different ways, including from previously marginalized, non-Classic-Hollywood-hero viewpoints.

Or it can wallow in nostalgia so completely that the significance of actual events becomes less important than the brief flicker of memory sparked by the sight of a few Hopalong Cassidy coffee mugs or Damian Lewis pretending to be Steve McQueen (why?) or the pleasure of watching two handsome guys banter their way through yet another buddy movie.

Sure it's a fairy tale. And fairy tales are built to convey moral messages in packages easily digested by children. The moral of "Once Upon a Time ... in Hollywood" seems to be "who doesn't miss the good old days when cars had fins and white men were the heroes of everything?"

Can I see a show of hands?
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on August 01, 2019, 09:01:54 AM
Quote from: eward on August 01, 2019, 08:43:18 AM
Quote from: Drenk on August 01, 2019, 08:34:45 AM
I didn't say that she was not likable, it just seemed extremely weird to include this in the middle of the podcast. Especially when they could have talked more expansively of the movies. It was all jingles and non sequitur.

Have you listened to Unspooled?

I haven't, I'll listen to some of them. It sounds cool.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on August 01, 2019, 09:04:00 AM
Quote from: eward on August 01, 2019, 08:59:14 AM
This review is absolute dog shit

https://www.theeagle.com/mary-mcnamara-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-is-quentin/article_f136b5c3-22ba-51fa-b121-b262d49c8943.html

Well, that website is probably horseshit, too, since it's the first time this happened to me:

We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact circulation@theeagle.com or call 979-776-4444.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 01, 2019, 09:16:38 AM
Weird. Copy/pasted it for you.  :yabbse-smiley:
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on August 01, 2019, 09:40:16 AM
Quote from: eward on August 01, 2019, 09:16:38 AM
Weird. Copy/pasted it for you.  :yabbse-smiley:

Well, the issue of nostalgia porn is always in my mind. That said...

QuoteUnless you were a member of the white, male, Christian, heterosexual, able-bodied, culturally conforming, non-addicted, mentally well, moneyed elite, there was literally no time in history that was simpler, better, easier or greater. For most people, history is the story of original oppression gradually lessened through a series of struggles and setbacks.

Maybe that's a little simplistic view of what history is.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on August 01, 2019, 10:11:44 AM
Quote from: Drenk on August 01, 2019, 07:49:12 AM
They barely talk about Boogie Nights. It's very disapointing, Episode 2 was way better.


Perhaps slightly off-topic, but does anyone else have trouble making sense of Quentin's comment that as a 16 year old working at a Pussycat theatre, he had no interest in porn?  I suppose I'm projecting my own adolescent interests and experiences, but that comment really surprises me.  (We know PTA was fascinated by the stuff at 16!)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on August 01, 2019, 10:43:52 AM
Maybe he's lying, or he suffered from over-exposure, but I can imagine a stoic Tarantino—even the brief oral sex scene in Pulp Fiction seems more in love with Godard than, well, sex.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 01, 2019, 11:15:40 AM
I guess these cultural criticism pieces have their place, but they sadden me. Feel like we had the exact same problem with Phantom Thread—writers attempting to tackle a legitimately complex film with a very simplistic surface-level reading.

And in fact, even as narrow-scoped cultural criticism, that article falls flat on its face. For spoilery reasons:

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Tarantino approaches the era of Rick Dalton's supposed prime with a splash of nostalgia but also robust cynicism. (That's where the author is exposed as simplistic—QT must be doing only one or the other, right?) How one could watch the mid-credits cigarette ad and still not notice the cynicism is beyond me. Quentin quite literally deconstructs a staple of that era in front of our eyes. It's a joke, but there's obviously a point to it.

Rick Dalton's career in TV almost led him to ruin as he was nearly typecast into oblivion. Rick only realizes his true potential when he takes a chance on an auteur director and a riskier film.

More than actually mourning the loss of that era, Tarantino admires Rick's ability to adapt to a new one. And if we recognize Rick as an analogue to Burt Reynolds (https://stuntsunlimited.com/uncategorized/needham-reynolds-tarantino-film/), the best is actually ahead of him.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 01, 2019, 12:01:17 PM
Quote from: Drenk on August 01, 2019, 10:43:52 AM
Maybe he's lying, or he suffered from over-exposure, but I can imagine a stoic Tarantino—even the brief oral sex scene in Pulp Fiction seems more in love with Godard than, well, sex.

Maybe feet are all that do it for him. I ain't here to kink-shame.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on August 01, 2019, 12:38:19 PM
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was anyone else convinced Cliff was going to get killed when Tex was sent for as Clem was getting pummeled? I was so bummed at the prospect of Cliff leaving the movie at that point, knowing Tarantino kills characters off with no fuss, that the relief was doubled when it cuts to his car pulling out as Tex gets there.
man, I am can't wait to see it again tomorrow.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 01, 2019, 12:39:05 PM
This is a nice read.

On Sharon Tate, the Actress
As the most high-profile victim of the Charles Manson murders, Tate has long been reduced to being a footnote in a gruesome tale. But rewatching the work she did in film reveals a fuller, more human story.

By Manuela Lazic

When it was announced that Quentin Tarantino was working on a film centered on the Charles Manson murders that shook the Los Angeles elite in the summer of 1969, some filmgoers (myself included) worried that the director's taste for extreme violence would be applied to these atrocious real-life events. The casting of Margot Robbie as Sharon Tate, billed in advance as a key character, also brewed anxiety over whether Tarantino, not always the best writer of female roles, would lean into the particularly gruesome death of Roman Polanski's then-wife.

As it turns out, Tarantino's cinephilic instincts took precedence over his bloodthirst: Once Upon a Time ... in Hollywood focuses on Tate's acting aspirations and her burgeoning recognition as a promising new talent at the time of her death, rather than the death itself—a tragedy that doesn't even happen on screen. Easily Tarantino's most melancholy and humane film since Jackie Brown, it presents Tate as someone to be remembered not for the way she disappeared, but for her life as a young woman trying to find both happiness and artistic fulfillment in an environment where her unusual beauty (even by Hollywood's extreme standards) made her both a hot commodity and uniquely vulnerable.

Tate's start in movies was, unsurprisingly, spawned by her striking looks. While living in Italy, where her father worked as a military officer, she and some friends got parts as extras in the film Hemingway's Adventures of a Young Man, during which actor Richard Beymer (later to star as Ben Horne in David Lynch's Twin Peaks) noticed her. They dated and were engaged for a year (she was 18, he was 22) and he encouraged her to pursue acting. But all that followed was extra work and screen tests that led nowhere.

In 2015, writer and podcaster Karina Longworth dedicated an entire series of her tremendously researched podcast about Hollywood's forgotten histories, You Must Remember This, to "Charles Manson's Hollywood." Providing some context and corrections to an infamous narrative already familiar from books and movies (and which Tarantino's film does little to flesh out), Longworth dedicated two of the 12 episodes to Tate's life and explained how, from a very early age, the young woman felt insecure. Her strict upbringing, combined with her looks, made her shy and scared—an anxiety that was further imposed upon her when, while still living in Italy and before getting into acting, she survived a sexual assault on a date with a young soldier. But Tate wanted to become an actress, and although her lack of confidence repeatedly got in the way of her career, experience helped her free her instincts.

For a time, Tate's agent, Harold Gefsky, and producer Martin Ransohoff confined her to the small screen, but her turn in 15 episodes of the TV series The Beverly Hillbillies helped unleash her comedic aptitude and certainly encouraged her self-confidence. As dark-wigged secretary Janet Trego, she played a little dumb, but with good comic timing and the lightness of an actress really enjoying herself.

After more missed opportunities to appear on the big screen, in 1967 Ransohoff finally gave Tate a real part in one of his film productions, the bizarre horror fable Eye of the Devil. Tate's astounding beauty is her main tool in the film, as she plays an eerie witch living in an ominous castle with her family (her brother is played by David Hemmings in a smart bit of casting, his clear eyes and blond hair making him look pretty much like a male Sharon Tate) and terrorizing another family with strange rituals. Tate, her luscious hair glowing in the black-and-white photography, has her gigantic eyes painted in the style of the time, with dark kohl and heavy eyelashes emphasizing their bewitching effect. In a part that could easily have been laughably cliché, she proves genuinely mesmerizing, delivering her few lines with elegance and adopting a statuesque pose that fashion shoots helped her master. Eye of the Devil is not a good film, but Tate took it seriously. By the time she was 24, she had shown that she could play both ends of the spectrum—the clueless receptionist and the scary temptress.

But before the release of Eye of the Devil, another of Tate's films came out to poor reviews, with which she herself agreed. Don't Make Waves is a slight and silly comedy surf movie in which Tate plays Malibu, a lifeguard who saves Tony Curtis from drowning and distracts him from Claudia Cardinale (a predicament to be wished upon no one). The dumb blond image was not going to be easy to shed, but Tate was determined.

It was during her time in Swinging London after the shooting of Eye of the Devil that Tate met Polanski, then an up-and-coming star thanks to his European productions Repulsion (1965) and Cul-de-sac (1966). Although at first unconvinced, Polanski gave Tate the role of Sarah, a beautiful damsel in distress, in his following project, the comedy horror film The Fearless Vampire Killers. Wearing a red wig, Tate functions primarily as the object of affection for Polanski's character, Alfred, the young horny assistant of a professor chasing vampires and falling prey to them. She first appears in the film when the duo walks in on her having a bubble bath, and although she remains scantily clad for most of the movie's runtime, her scenes with Polanski betray a genuine connection between them. The shoot apparently didn't start well, however: Polanski had little patience for Tate's insecurity and lack of experience; yet progressively, she demonstrated that she could take directions and that the dynamic script, requiring a few moments of action comedy and a general vivacity, was not beyond her grasp. After the shooting ended, the two moved in together. The film's release was botched, with the studio presenting a heavily re-edited version to the public, but since then, a cut closer to the director's original intentions has been released. The Fearless Vampire Killers has gained in popularity as a memento of its director's youthful playfulness (Tim Burton must have been an early fan), as well as a unique historical document tinged by darkness. Even when trying to view Tate as primarily an actress not defined by her death or her relationship to the since very controversial Polanski, it is nearly impossible not to feel great sadness for the couple when seeing Sarah and Alfred exchange a tender kiss, perhaps Tate's most sincere in her entire, short career.

Tate's following feature was meant to be her proper beginning as a serious dramatic actress. Jacqueline Susann's novel Valley of the Dolls was a sensational best seller and, as Longworth explains, Tate talked excitedly to the press about feeling close to her character, Jennifer North. A gorgeous small-town girl dreaming of Hollywood fame but devoid of talent and never taken seriously, Jennifer eventually turns to pornography in France to pay for her sick husband's stay in a sanitarium. The parallels with Tate's own experience arguably drew the actress to the part and helped her bring it to life. All these years of playing the dumb blond were finally paying off, and if Tate sometimes leans a little too much into this cluelessness, she also brings to it a touching vulnerability. Jennifer repeatedly receives phone calls from her mother scolding her for not having made it yet and asking for money (which Jennifer doesn't have), and although these melodramatic conversations are undeniably camp, Tate, speaking to her mother like a little girl, makes Jennifer's brutal loss of innocence and gradual disillusionment with her chances in Hollywood truly heartbreaking. One unexpectedly moving moment is when after one of these phone calls, Jennifer, alone at home, starts doing chest-toning exercises, but soon drops her arms and says, "Oh, to hell with 'em! ... Let 'em droop!" to herself; taken out of context, this is a silly moment, but it also feels like watching the real Tate in her everyday life. On her podcast, Longworth talks about the strict regime of dance, singing, and gym classes that Tate was subjected to when she arrived in Hollywood, "because you could always improve upon a perfect physique." Tate's impeccable figure was not simply the result of good genes; a lot of hard work and ambition went into it, and her dedication to an industry that treated her (and most other actresses) like an object was visible in her body, as well as in her willingness to play a tragic character so similar to herself.

Although Tate was nominated for a Golden Globe as New Star of the Year - Actress for her turn as Jennifer, Valley of the Dolls was panned by critics for its extravagance and its central performances. Roger Ebert called it "a dirty soap opera" for being so crude and pessimistic about sex, and he particularly hated Tate's bust exercise scene, calling it "the most offensive and appalling vulgarity ever thrown up by any civilization." (Somehow, Ebert went on to write the screenplay for the sequel.) The deep pathos of Jennifer's fall from grace, as well as that of her friends—the musical star Neely O'Hara (Patty Duke, in a story line inspired by Judy Garland's life) and the assistant entertainment lawyer Anne Welles (Barbara Parkins)—was deemed absurd and gross, too laughably exaggerated to be taken seriously. But watching it now, the misogyny of such views is blatant. The essential plot of Valley of the Dolls, which sees three women losing themselves to the stress of ambition and addiction, isn't so different from that of A Star Is Born, in which it is a man who suffers from these ills, mostly out of jealousy toward his successful wife on whom he relies to be saved. But it is A Star is Born that has been remade four times, even as the tragic and impossibly sad stories of Jennifer, Neely, and Anne keep repeating themselves in real life. And if these narratives still appear too improbable and gruesome, Tate's own biography unfortunately demonstrates that reality can be stranger, and more absurdly cruel, than fiction.

Tate's last film was the sloppy and forgettable farce Twelve Plus One (which she signed up for to appear in a film with Orson Welles) but the last Tate-starring film to be released in her lifetime was the James Bond spoof comedy The Wrecking Crew, which premiered to positive reviews in February 1969. Tate appeared alongside Dean Martin's 007ish agent Matt Helm as undercover spy Freya Carlson, a beautiful but nerdy (read: glasses-wearing) and clumsy young woman who more often than not slows down the agent in his investigation and prevents him from sleeping with the enemy. Tate practiced martial arts with Bruce Lee for a cute catfight scene between Freya and criminal Yu-Rang (Nancy Kwan), but more impressive yet is her progress as a comedy actress since her Beverly Hillbillies days. Serenely unconscious of her surroundings, Freya falls over countless times and often misunderstands Helm's witticisms; her dazed charm indicates that Tate, although still growing into her skills, clearly felt more capable than ever. Only 25 years old at the time of production, she is the best part of this rather confused and only mildly funny spoof, and critics at the time recognized her as such.

The ultimate film critic, Tarantino honors Tate's turn in The Wrecking Crew in Once Upon a Time ... in Hollywood. In a likely imagined sequence, the director shows Tate going to a bookshop to buy a copy of Thomas Hardy's Tess of the d'Urbervilles—which, in reality, she had read while staying in London with Polanski when she last saw him, and had suggested they adapt together for the screen—before impulsively deciding to attend a screening of her comedy. Once Upon a Time ... is imbued with Tarantino's love for Hollywood history, and a spectator unfamiliar with Tate's life story may be occasionally perplexed by the plethora of biographical details—but it would be difficult for anyone not to get emotional when watching Margot Robbie as Tate, watching herself on the big screen, growing giddy while hearing the rest of the audience laugh at Freya's cute klutziness.

Tarantino's tenderness toward Sharon Tate could seem surprising—and although his rewriting of her history doesn't focus much on her as a mother, a wife, or simply a woman—it nevertheless makes clear that he cares greatly about Tate as a symbol of the Hollywood machine itself. Giving Tate a different fate through the power of film is perhaps a little too easy, but since her death was such a terrifying and random event, it makes sense for Tarantino, who has always used cinema as a fantasy machine, to employ that machine to give her a second chance. A second chance not only at simply living on, but also at really making it in the movies.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on August 01, 2019, 02:02:41 PM
Mani Lazic is a great writer!! Thanks for sharing this one on here, eward. Her favorite film is Body Double, which, like, respect.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 01, 2019, 02:33:22 PM
This is more like it.

(SPOILERS BELOW)

Tarantino's Most Transgressive Film

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood celebrates values that have been repeatedly dismissed as dangerous and outdated.

By Caitlin Flanigan

As soon as I heard that Quentin Tarantino was making a movie about the Manson killings, I knew I would be there on opening night. As the release date neared, and the ravishing still photography of Andrew Cooper, Tarantino's regular photographer, began to appear—beginning with a January spread in Vanity Fair, which operated like an injection of Narcan on that slumbering magazine—I wondered if I would be able to make it to July.

I knew that the film would not be a biopic in any conventional sense, and that it would explore the sexually louche Hollywood of the late 1960s alongside the sinister element of the once-joyful hippie movement, an element which was hardly in its infancy before it crested in the Manson murders. ("Just in time," everyone told Joan Didion when she went to San Francisco to report on depravity in the Haight in 1967; "the whole fad's dead now, fini, kaput.")  And I knew that Sharon Tate—cipher, beauty, Texas pageant girl, and Euro sophisticate—was a character Tarantino could have invented. I assumed that the film would, in the director's characteristic way, include digressions, set pieces, flights from narrative logic so prolonged they would bring the viewer to points of murderous rage, and that the director would reemerge in the third act, fully in possession of his narrative powers to stick the landing.

Once Upon a Time ... In Hollywood is a swoon of a movie. It's full of so much beauty and menace and humor and intelligence that I couldn't do anything but sit flattened while it rolled over me. In anyone else's hands, the long middle section would have walked the room. In Tarantino's, I just kept watching, helplessly. Eventually that long digression ends and you're back in business, back in the place of childhood daydreams and nightmares. I was seven years old when the Manson killings happened, a child up in Berkeley who, like all children at the time, heard words—Manson, Tate, the killings, something about words written in blood—before radios were switched off and mothers changed the subject.

Every generation has its crime that looms over the children, its details slowly making their way into their nightmares. Leopold and Loeb in the 1920s, the Black Dahlia in the '40s. For my generation—Tarantino's generation—the Manson murders were the crime that had the children's attention. In Berkeley, we lived through Patty Hearst's kidnapping—which everyone had some small connection to, and which dominated the city's life—but when it was over, we went right back to Manson. It's deep in our imagination. The justice critics—the ones who want to count up every movie's sins against approved sensibilities—say that the film is nostalgic, a term intended to damage it. Only another artist would understand the way that Tarantino has deployed that potent force. Guillermo del Toro tweeted that the movie was "[chock-full] of yearning," that it was "a tale of another time that probably never was but feels like a memory."

The justice critics aren't interested in fictions that feel like memories. They want movies that adhere to their vision of the way the world should be. To them, the movie is too white, too violent to women, and too uninterested in Margot Robbie, whose Sharon Tate has few lines. The New Yorker's Richard Brody reviled the picture, calling it "ridiculously white." But Charles Manson was a white supremacist, a fact does tend to put a lot of white people in a movie. The majority of these white people are drugged-out sadists who live in filth, and scrounge in garbage, entirely repellant. And the Hollywood of the time was a deeply insular place from which progressive values flowed easily, but which never stopped to examine itself as a racially exclusive enterprise. Depicting it as inclusive would give the lie to the decades of hard work that has gone into changing that fact, work that is finally beginning to pay off.

As to violence against women, what can I tell you? If you don't like it, don't go to a movie about the Manson killings. Say what you will about Charles Manson, he really empowered women to pursue excellence in traditionally male-dominated fields. From armed robbery to sadistic murder at knifepoint, he put women in positions from which they had been traditionally excluded, and ultimately helped them to break that hardest, highest glass ceiling, the one that makes death row such a male purview. The Manson crimes became famous because of the savagery of the killings, the killers became famous because so many of them were women, and the most famous of the victims was a very specific woman, so particularly feminine—and at the height of femininity: the peak of her young beauty and eight-and-a-half months pregnant—that her slaughter instantly assumed a mythic importance. Moreover, without giving away the ending, for many of us the violent scene that the justice critics hate was something we've been waiting 50 years to see. As for me, I closed my eyes during part of it, an option available to any ticket holder.

Sharon Tate doesn't get many lines, a fact that may not make feminist sense, but which absolutely makes artistic sense. We didn't know her. All we knew were the facts of her murder and of her impossible beauty. We created her from the endless publicity photographs that would appear and reappear in newspapers throughout our childhoods. She was living in the midst of the ascendant and dangerous new Hollywood and yet she was also living a very conventional life. Two photographs in particular, both of them shot in the backseats of limos, came to stand for those things. In one she is wearing a wedding dress and veil, orange blossoms in her hair, her groom beside her. In the other she holding up a tiny, knit sweater as though on her way home from a baby shower.

For a very brief moment it seemed possible to be a sexually free woman of the new era and also to round out that period of freedom with the old, square punctuation points. She was in the midst of the new Hollywood royalty, at the height of the youth movement, and yet she was also a girl living out the dreams of Edith Haupt's Seventeen magazine. Because of this, and because of the blunt force of her beauty, she stood for two of the most powerful forces in history: sexuality and femininity. Hence the scenes of her dancing, first at the Playboy mansion and then in the sun-drenched privacy of her bedroom. In truth, even the most beautiful girls of 1968 didn't spend much time putting on shorts and dancing alone in bedrooms while drenched in the golden light of a California afternoon—but we weren't interested in sociological observations. We were deep into mythic territory.

Tate was an interesting person, the daughter of an Army colonel, a pageant winner at six months—Miss Tiny Tot of Dallas—someone who moved regularly because of her father's job and who was therefore lonely and shy. She went to her senior year of high school at the American School in Italy, already famous in her father's world because a photograph of her in a bathing suit had been published in Stars and Stripes. Margot Robbie's evocation of her as a happy, sexy, beautiful girl who basked in the attention her beauty brought her, brings to life exactly the dream girl we loved so fiercely. And Tarantino has paid Tate the ultimate compliment: When Robbie goes to a movie theater to watch herself in one of her few movie roles, he didn't reshoot that film with the modern actress in the role. We're watching Margot Robbie watching Sharon Tate and the half century that separates those two real women looms over the scenes. Why are Robbie's feet, slipped out of immaculate white gogo boots and slung over a movie seat in front of her, so filthy? That is between Quentin Tarantino and his god.

What's really got the justice critics worked up, however, isn't the violence or the nostalgia or the silencing of Sharon Tate. What's rattling them more than they realize is that this movie is transgressive as hell. Only Tarantino would have the balls to make something like it, something that embraces values that have been repeatedly been proven—proven!—to be dangerous, outdated, the thing that people don't want anymore. Box-office poison. And only Tarantino could do it so skillfully that it's not until you're back in the car that you realize what he's done: made a major motion picture in 2019 about a man with a code, a man who hews to the old values of the western hero.

The movie is about Leonardo DiCaprio's character, Rick Dalton. But this is Brad Pitt's picture, and he carries it so easily that you don't realize it until the end. Rick is the washed-up star of a TV western, whose career has wound down to guest star appearances on other actor's westerns (in the career-killing role of villain), heavy drinking, and indulging in fits of crying. He's weak. Pitt is Cliff Booth, Rick's stunt double, the one who does all of the dangerous things and who—literally—takes no credit. Rick is so dependent on Cliff that he has hired him as driver and houseman, a role that should diminish Cliff in our eyes—1968's Kato Kaelin—but doesn't. Cliff is cool, funny, laconic and tough. His competence and emotional reserve make us more aware of Rick's weakness. So it's a depth charge of misgiving to learn that he's not welcome on some television sets. He brings a bad energy, apparently, because many people believe he killed his wife. It's an anvil dropping: Is he a threat? Did he do it? In the one flashback, the truth is never revealed. For most of the picture, we know we can't trust him, and Pitt plays with us throughout one moment charming, the next lost in something inward.

It's at the end of the movie, after he's redeemed tenfold, we realize who he was all along and why we couldn't help falling for him—a hero. Rick spent the movie trying to portray a hero; Cliff spent it being one—and like all heroes, he didn't spend any time bringing attention to the fact. The beautiful teenager who keeps trying to get him to give her a ride finally succeeds, but when she tries to seduce him, she doesn't have a chance. He spares her feeling by telling her that it's because she doesn't have a photo ID to prove she's over 18, but that's not the reason. He doesn't need "affirmative consent." He has a code: a man doesn't sleep with teenagers.

Cliff faces great danger at the Manson compound to make sure an elderly man of his slight acquaintance is safe. He doesn't start fights, but if he gets into one he'll lay out the challenger. His dog loves him, he doesn't like to see a man crying, and he's got his passions under control. One afternoon, he climbs to Rick's roof to fix his television antenna, a potent symbol of Rick's failing television career, but also one more reminder of their relationship: Rick's things are broken, and Cliff repairs them. In the bright sun, he takes off his shirt (Heaven help us) and then he hears music from the house next door. It's Tate, alone in her room. He glances over—does he see her? Maybe. But he's not a man who climbs on roofs for a peep show, and he turns back to his work. Most of all, he's loyal—even when Rick might not deserve that loyalty. In the end, he's Gary Cooper facing Frank Miller all by himself.

We can't have a movie like this. It affirms things the culture wants killed. If men aren't encouraged to cry in public, where will we end up? And the bottom line is the bottom line: Audiences don't want to see this kind of thing anymore. The audience wants the kind of movies the justice critics want. But the audience gave Once Upon a Time... In Hollywood the biggest opening of Tarantino's career. The critics may not get it, but the public does. Is Tarantino making a reactionary statement at a dangerous time? Or does the title tell the truth, that the whole thing—including those old masculine values—was always just fairytale, a world "that never really existed, but feels like a memory?"

In the sexiest scene in the movie, Cliff roars out of Rick's driveway up in the canyons in his rusted blue Kharman Gia, Bob Seger blaring,—"I was born lonely, down by the riverside"—taking mountain turns at impossible speeds, racing across the old LA freeways late at night, bound for Van Nuys and sliding across lanes with ultimate cool. But in a TMZ video clip, you see Pitt surrounded by a large crew trying to make the easiest part of the journey—the three-point turn out of Rick's driveway—at about five miles an hour and falling short every time, despite a closed road. Over and over the crew pushes the car back up the driveway, while Pitt sits in it miserably, much more Rick than Cliff.

What's real? Who knows? It's all Hollywood.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on August 01, 2019, 03:55:27 PM
Bob Richardson on the film's cinematography, and constant artistic self-doubt. (https://ascmag.com/articles/back-in-time-making-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: csage97 on August 01, 2019, 08:04:00 PM
Quote from: WorldForgot on August 01, 2019, 03:55:27 PM
Bob Richardson on the film's cinematography, and constant artistic self-doubt. (https://ascmag.com/articles/back-in-time-making-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood)

Thanks for posting this! I love info about cinematography, and I love Bob Richardson's work.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Tictacbk on August 02, 2019, 04:41:10 AM
Everyone should see this movie twice.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on August 02, 2019, 11:27:42 AM
Couldn't resist sharing this.  A couple of us in Row G at the Anima screening a few weeks ago hit it off and have been emailing a little since then.  She sent me the following yesterday, regarding her having seen OUATIH (emphasis mine):

QuoteI thought it was long. I found myself about half way through wondering what the point was. And then I just started checking off the signature Tarantino elements. Lots of dialogue, heavy swearing, graphic violence. So it's a classic. People were leaving the theater in a steady stream around the 2 hour mark. It will win everything.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on August 02, 2019, 11:53:03 AM
it's gorgeous hearing things like that. thank you wilber
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 02, 2019, 02:32:06 PM
Audiences have been very enthusiastic each time I've seen it, no walkouts that I've noticed, and these were not - from what I could tell - acolyte-heavy screenings either. How interesting.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 02, 2019, 02:48:49 PM
Same. I saw it in a pretty full auditorium, and the movie seemed to be a real crowd-pleaser, especially when it picks up. Everyone laughed at the mid-credits scene.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on August 02, 2019, 08:39:06 PM

ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWOOD Actor Confirms Potential 4-Hour Cut For Netflix (https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2019/08/02/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-actor-confirms-potential-4-hour-cut-for-netfl)

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Just yesterday a not-so-wild rumor appeared, suggesting that Quentin Tarantino is in talks with Netflix to bring an extended cut of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood to the streaming platform – similar to the extended version of The Hateful Eight that's currently available on the service. Turns out that story was more than just a rumor, as an actor from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood has confirmed that Tarantino is very much in talks with Netflix to super-size the film for streaming. On a recent episode of The Mutuals podcast (via The Playlist), actor Nicholas Hammond (who plays Sam Wanamaker) said the filmmaker will likely deliver a 4-hour cut of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood to Netflix:

The promise is that like his other film, The Hateful Eight, they just done a 4-hour Netflix version. And I think they're talking about doing the same. There are some actors like Tim Roth, wonderful actors, who never even made it into the film. I mean, their entire roles got cut.

Roth wasn't the only actor whose part was ultimately cut to make the 2 hour, 45 minute runtime. James Marsden, who played Burt Reynolds (a very cool meta-role), was also cut from the film. That a longer cut of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood exists is no secret, and the idea that we might get to see Tarantino's original version (or something like it) is extremely exciting – even if it is divided into four chapters like the extended cut of The Hateful Eight. Of course, it'll probably be a couple of years or so before that version comes to Netflix, giving you plenty of time to see the current iteration in theaters again (and again... and again).
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 02, 2019, 09:52:37 PM
FUCK. YES.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 03, 2019, 12:13:58 AM
For whatever reason, I just can't stop thinking about this movie. And every criticism I hear or read just seems to deepen my appreciation. So I guess I really do love it.

Spoil:

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I heard a surprising insight on the Bruce Lee scene. Cliff is an unreliable narrator there; we're seeing his memory in a potentially twisted and cartoonish way. Did he really make that big a dent in the car? Was Bruce Lee really that ridiculous and arrogant? Perhaps not. Maybe the events unfolded in a similar way, but things seem pitched at 150%.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on August 03, 2019, 02:09:10 PM
^ Yes and another detail there is apparently
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an anachronistic Tora Tora Tora!! board, which introduces the memory


Quote from: A Life in Cinema, A Cinema In Life by Brad StevensPeter Burra's 1942 essay on A Passage to India is relevant here. Burra sees the arts as having "one common subject for discussion - the life that is lived and known by men: and since it is not at once apparent why men who are intimately involved in living that life should desire to contemplate so immediate an experience in any remoter way, another activity (criticism), as old as themselves, has attended upon the arts from their beginning, which has constantly and variedly, but never quite satisfactorily attempted to explain the reasons for their being."
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For De Palma - who, in Burra's terms, is as much a critic as an artist - the relationship between reality and fiction is never unproblematic, never a question of simply representing, in a crude one-to-one manner, something which can be comprehended by paying close attention to surface details (the assumption made by advocates of the ''realist' school). On the contrary, reality can only enter a film via technical devices which are far from neutral. De Palma's obsession with reworking Alfred Hitchock's masterpieces - taking apart specific components of Rear Window (1954), Vertigo (1958), Psycho (1960) in order to grasp their function, to see what happens when they are stretched beyond a certain point - suggests that his primary project is to establish how cinema relates to the society which produced it, to ascertain whether Hitchcock's overt stylisation insulates his films within hermetically abstract realms, or constitutes a form of distanciation enabling stringent critiques of patriarchal culture.

Tarantino, as much a critic and cineaste empath as film has, employs the same sense of loving, introspective misdirection and post-modern moral play. Perception can keep you so removed as to take Orange's construction onto your White. These are the stories we tell about each other. A memory-play, using nostalgia against us.

impressions of impressions (yes spoilz): ShowHide
Cliff and Rick, Roman and Sharon, they speed across LA framed in Aldrich velocity. (//http://) Aldritch,  endearing us in profane fantasies, rose out of apprenticeship and TV, too. The list of storied careers is probably long and outside my current noodle. And its the manipulation of persona across TV and Film both, across decadez of work and fatefulness between crew artisans, that QT adores - that end gag,  how endeared we are to toxic habit, personal historiez writ large in generative time jumps.

Moral and political crit so immediate, part of any social media environment, " Wokeness as a resentment of society’s unrealistic standards coupled with an intolerance of the existential terror of not conforming to any kind of standard", with mediums that are quite literally clipping parts of the national conversation, I imagine this resentment to have been a part of the 50-year con-tug-o-war (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Riy4God934c) across dichotomies of moral commitment. A hot-button in the 60's that only gets hotter the more hypernormalized we become. It's no wonder his script's third acts continue to wallop.


"That's an old trick played by the networks." (https://www.hometownstation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Once-Upon-a-Time-in-Hollywood.jpg)

QTz “Next best thing to a time machine”  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYID_csTvos)

Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: csage97 on August 03, 2019, 03:38:29 PM
Quote from: wilberfan on August 02, 2019, 08:39:06 PM

ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWOOD Actor Confirms Potential 4-Hour Cut For Netflix (https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2019/08/02/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-actor-confirms-potential-4-hour-cut-for-netfl)

Quote
Just yesterday a not-so-wild rumor appeared, suggesting that Quentin Tarantino is in talks with Netflix to bring an extended cut of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood to the streaming platform – similar to the extended version of The Hateful Eight that's currently available on the service. Turns out that story was more than just a rumor, as an actor from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood has confirmed that Tarantino is very much in talks with Netflix to super-size the film for streaming. On a recent episode of The Mutuals podcast (via The Playlist), actor Nicholas Hammond (who plays Sam Wanamaker) said the filmmaker will likely deliver a 4-hour cut of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood to Netflix:

The promise is that like his other film, The Hateful Eight, they just done a 4-hour Netflix version. And I think they're talking about doing the same. There are some actors like Tim Roth, wonderful actors, who never even made it into the film. I mean, their entire roles got cut.

Roth wasn't the only actor whose part was ultimately cut to make the 2 hour, 45 minute runtime. James Marsden, who played Burt Reynolds (a very cool meta-role), was also cut from the film. That a longer cut of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood exists is no secret, and the idea that we might get to see Tarantino's original version (or something like it) is extremely exciting – even if it is divided into four chapters like the extended cut of The Hateful Eight. Of course, it'll probably be a couple of years or so before that version comes to Netflix, giving you plenty of time to see the current iteration in theaters again (and again... and again).

Amazing! And just as I was thinking I wish the movie were actually longer.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 05, 2019, 07:55:06 PM
The man is living his best life.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 07, 2019, 09:29:59 AM
Journalism.  :ponder:

https://twitter.com/elijahwolfson/status/1158815457660547072
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on August 07, 2019, 10:16:16 AM
Quote from: eward on August 07, 2019, 09:29:59 AM
Journalism.  :ponder:

https://twitter.com/elijahwolfson/status/1158815457660547072

https://twitter.com/fauxbeatpoet/status/1158954688777261056
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 07, 2019, 01:22:20 PM
This is playing in IMAX at certain AMCs for a week! Getting to see this on all the formats. What a time to be alive.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on August 07, 2019, 05:03:02 PM
Thanks eward, don't think I would have known if you hadn't posted, it's playing in one AMC where I'm at that is unfortunately not my local one (damn you The Rock), but totally worth the drive. Seen it three times, drove out of my way to watch it in a Cinemark theater because I love their screens, so an IMAX viewing is a must.

I hear the New Bev print is pristine, real drag I can't see it on film. Sure I will eventually. I would be a New Bev regular were I an Angeleno
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 08, 2019, 11:18:29 PM
https://twitter.com/st_grotesque/status/1159126472646430720
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on August 09, 2019, 08:41:10 AM
He started his career with a heist movie and obviously wants to wrap it up with another one. He's just doing research.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on August 11, 2019, 10:30:21 PM
Now, for a limited time, in IMAX. 

https://www.slashfilm.com/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-imax/ (https://www.slashfilm.com/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-imax/)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jviness02 on August 12, 2019, 05:58:00 PM
Anyone else realize the red-headed Manson chick in the climax is Doris from The Master?
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 12, 2019, 07:00:54 PM
I realized that last viewing. Decidedly less sweet here lol considering she's playing a character who irl went on to become the longest-serving female inmate in California state history.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on August 13, 2019, 10:52:42 AM
Seeing it on IMAX tomorrow. Apocalypse Now IMAX Sunday. Will be one satisfied moviegoer come Monday.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 13, 2019, 01:45:35 PM
QT finally speaks out regarding the controversy surrounding the Bruce Lee scene.

SPOILERS

Quentin Tarantino Defends 'Hollywood' Bruce Lee Fight From Claims It Mocks the Late Action Star

Zack Sharf for IndieWire

Quentin Tarantino broke his silence on the backlash to "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" during the film's recent Moscow press conference. One of the biggest points of controversy surrounding the film is the scene in which Bruce Lee (Mike Moh) and Cliff Booth (Brad Pitt) fight each other on the set of "The Green Hornet." Bruce Lee's daughter, Shannon, condemned Tarantino for portraying the martial arts legend as an "arrogant asshole who was full of hot air," while Lee's protégé Dan Inosanto said the film did not accurately portray the late action star. Inosanto pointed to a line in Tarantino's script where Bruce Lee makes a dig at Muhammad Ali and said Lee "would have never said anything derogatory about Muhammad Ali because he worshiped the ground Muhammad Ali walked on."

"Bruce Lee was kind of an arrogant guy," Tarantino told press about depicting the actor in such a cocky manner. "The way he was talking, I didn't just make a lot of that up. I heard him say things like that to that effect. If people are saying, 'Well he never said he could beat up Mohammad Ali,' well yeah he did. Alright? Not only did he say that but his wife, Linda Lee, said that in her first biography I ever read. She absolutely said that."

Bruce Lee fans have also taken Tarantino to task for the outcome of the fight scene. Bruce challenges Cliff to a three round fight, easily winning the first round by kicking Cliff to the floor within seconds. Cliff takes the second round in more brutal fashion by throwing Bruce into the side of a car. The two are neck and neck in the third round when the fight is broken up. There's no actual winner of the fight, although many found it distasteful that Tarantino could diminish Bruce Lee's fighting skills by having him thrown into a car by Cliff.

"Could Cliff beat up Bruce Lee? Brad would not be able to beat up Bruce Lee, but Cliff maybe could," Tarantino said. "If you ask me the question, 'Who would win in a fight: Bruce Lee or Dracula?' It's the same question. It's a fictional character. If I say Cliff can beat Bruce Lee up, he's a fictional character so he could beat Bruce Lee up. The reality of the situation is this: Cliff is a Green Beret. He has killed many men in WWII in hand to hand combat. What Bruce Lee is talking about in the whole thing is that he admires warriors. He admires combat, and boxing is a closer approximation of combat as a sport. Cliff is not part of the sport that is like combat, he is a warrior. He is a combat person."

Tarantino summed up the fight by adding, "If Cliff were fighting Bruce Lee in a martial arts tournament in Madison Square Garden, Bruce would kill him. But if Cliff and Bruce were fighting in the jungles of the Philippines in a hand-to-hand combat fight Cliff would kill him."

"Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" is now playing in theaters.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 14, 2019, 12:45:16 AM
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on August 16, 2019, 02:42:57 PM
I was worried when this was first announced, and then I was filled with doubt when the reviews came out, but god was I wrong... this was amazing. I wouldn't cut a single second. Where was the boring parts people has talked about?

Quote from: Jeremy Blackman on July 30, 2019, 11:49:14 PM
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The friendship at the center of the movie is enormously and effortlessly moving, and probably the best "bromance" I've seen in any medium. But I was even more moved by everything with Sharon Tate. I appreciate that Quentin and Margot Robbie have such a delicate touch with this character. They give us a full sense of Sharon's humanity—she's such a beacon of light here—while preserving a mythical quality about this historical figure.

For that reason, this is one of QT's very best endings. We're caught up in the wish fulfillment and quite happy about that last very sweet scene, but that makes the moment even more heartbreaking. Because you're reminded of exactly what was lost, and what could have been that was stolen.



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I absolutely love the way QT deflates and belittles the Manson family. Some have criticized this choice as historically inaccurate, claiming that they had actual sophistication and goals and wanted to start a race war, etc. But I don't know. That take is not only debatable, it's just not worth exploring. QT had the opportunity to dig into this juicy content about these psychopaths who had crazy/interesting ideas, but he resisted on principle, instead giving them exactly the treatment they deserve. We even get a brief scene where one of the girls describes her dumb philosophical idea, and it's just as contemptibly stupid as it probably was in reality. Bravo, in my opinion.

Seeing some critiques that Sharon Tate was under-served by the film. I mean, I get it, but that's such a surface-level reading. If you accept that she's a side character (which some people can't, and that's fair), she's about as full as a side character can get. The portrayal is luminous and almost angelic but stops just short of putting her on a pedestal. For example the way she seeks attention at the movie theater is pitch-perfect, I think. She gets a little greedy there, but in a playful and understandable fashion, just being caught up in her fame and savoring it in an endearing way.

Lindsey Romain (film writer and Tate expert) praised the way QT focuses on Sharon Tate's work and career (theater scene) and intellect (bookstore scene) and her love of music (many scenes), rather than simply obsessing about her beauty as others have.


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This is spot on. They handled Tate in such a delicate and respectful way. At the end, I was so worried that she would get involved in the action, that it would fall flat but instead, it ended on that pitch perfect scene where she invited Dalton to her home. It was such a sad ending and a reminder that while fairytales and movies are great as escapism (god, how amazing was that scene with the flamethrower?), real life will eventually come knocking and it's not as comforting as the movies.

Actually, this was the perfect setting for a Tarantino hangout film. The real life horrors of the Manson murders made the experience so tense. It let the film breathe and focus on the character arcs without losing that trademark Tarantino tension. I'm sure I'll enjoy this film in a very different way on a rewatch, without anticipating that final act and asking myself; how will he'll make this work?


Anyway, I love Tarantino in this mood. When he's not making ambitious set pieces, he'll make everything feel like such a joy, and all day could I watch Booth and Dalton driving around LA, or Tate dancing down the street. And there was so much love put into this. It was everything I love about cinema. The reason why he's my favorite current director together with PTA. He's loves doing this, and there no one else that could make such an amazing love letter to film as a medium.

It's sad that he will only make one more film after this. This felt like a new Tarantino, the start of something different, and it's disappointing that he will only make one more. But as for now, I will enjoy this for what it is; probably one of the best films he'll ever make.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on August 16, 2019, 02:51:16 PM
Also, why are people complaining about the lack of dialogue from Tate? Margot Robbie was such a fucking force in this. She didn't need to say anything.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Axolotl on August 16, 2019, 03:43:12 PM
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Tate was an angel in this movie. And any other way to present her would have been an offensive disservice.


Fucking masterpiece.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on August 16, 2019, 04:02:14 PM
For the sake of argument (and I felt this way), I think her relative lack of dialogue made her a bit of a one-dimensional cipher.  Just an embodiment of beauty, with no human complexity.  Now, to be fair, that's all we (as the public) essentially knew about her--especially in death.  But I think she would have been more interesting with more to do and say. 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 16, 2019, 04:02:32 PM
So glad you loved it Robyn!
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Axolotl on August 16, 2019, 04:09:35 PM
Quote from: wilberfan on August 16, 2019, 04:02:14 PM
For the sake of argument (and I felt this way), I think her relative lack of dialogue made her a bit of a one-dimensional cipher.  Just an embodiment of beauty, with no human complexity.  Now, to be fair, that's all we (as the public) essentially knew about her--especially in death.  But I think she would have been more interesting with more to do and say.
Nah, her theater scene was more human than anything QT has done since Jackie Brown. If you don't find depth in her revelling in the reaction the crowd has to her slapstick, IDK what to tell you. It's what I would have been like if I'd had a hollywood movie.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 16, 2019, 04:20:17 PM
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Plus, seeing Margot Robbie as Sharon Tate watching and admiring the real Sharon Tate up on the screen, adorned with Sharon's own personal jewelry and radiating her spirit, just makes it all the more beautiful and moving.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on August 16, 2019, 04:28:21 PM
I understand where you're coming from, but there's a difference between portraying Rick and Cliff and a real-life person like Tate. What else could she be doing in this movie? She had a very specific role in it, and the film portrayed parts of her personality that we know. It felt respectful rather then turning her into something else. Idk...

Quote from: eward on August 16, 2019, 04:02:32 PM
So glad you loved it Robyn!

:-D
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on August 16, 2019, 04:37:43 PM
SPOILERS

There's some joy to be find in the uneventfullness of her days, of a life just going by, simply, calmly, a joy in having her being a living, gleeful person instead of a famous disfigured corpse. That's why knowing the ending does the reverse of spoiling; with a suspens, it feels...awful. But he would have never killed her. I also loved that she is not involved at the end. Another day. Another night.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on August 17, 2019, 10:48:22 AM
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That began as a tweet but then I was reminded that you can't develop a though in one tweet and that Tweeter isn't a forum—most people don't really care about a conversation, presenting a pristine showcase of their personality is what the tool is about. I prefer forums. It's about the conversation.

So: regarding the fact that Tarantino doesn't delve into the beliefs of the Manson family:

It was very cathartic to see that Tarantino highlighted the ridiculousness of these people; after the attacks in Paris I had a hard time associating the apparent debility of the terrorists and the "seriousness" of their religious beliefs and the damage they had done, of course they did have these beliefs—but they were essentially confused morons.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on August 17, 2019, 11:09:59 AM
It is pretty crazy how when Manson shows up he's never identified by name, you have to have some familiarity to know that that's Manson. Like at the Playboy mansion there's little titles identifying Mcqueen and Phillips, but when Manson shows up you either know it's him or you have no idea what the fuck that scene's about. 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 17, 2019, 11:40:28 AM
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Part of what makes me want to read the script is to see how he handles moments like that writing-wise. Is it like Cliff removes his shirt and woah abs and then across the property, walking up the driveway comes Charles Manson... or Suddenly, the Manson girls come skipping up the hill, hand in hand, singing in unison, IN GLORIOUS 35MM... or does he employ more specifically evocative descriptions that require about as much background info be brought to the table by the reader as the movie itself demands from the audience?
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on August 17, 2019, 11:52:20 AM
I can't imagine watching this movie, knowing nothing about the murders and Sharon Tate. It would make no sense at all, not until the very end but, come on, that's a huge part of the movie.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on August 18, 2019, 10:31:41 AM
i'm fucking hooked on this movie, 5th viewing yesterday (2nd on IMAX). only QT i'd seen that many times in theaters was vol. 2.

there is nary a moment when some for of media isn't in the background: television, radio, records, books, movies, it's a fucking constant. captures the bygone era with so much heart.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: trytotell on August 19, 2019, 12:06:53 PM
PTA hosted the DGA screening/Q&A for this last night.

He's probably locked his first Best Director now, huh? All his buddies/peers seem to be getting behind this.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 19, 2019, 12:12:14 PM
Oh my god please let a video or audio recording surface!!!
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: trytotell on August 19, 2019, 12:13:41 PM
Quote from: eward on August 19, 2019, 12:12:14 PM
Oh my god please let a video or audio recording surface!!!

I'm sure it will in a week or two.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on August 19, 2019, 12:23:38 PM
sweet, can't wait to watch QT pat PTA's knees for the entire interview with every witty answer.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on August 19, 2019, 01:40:24 PM
At first glance (https://www.instagram.com/p/B1Wl2I2hrhn/) you could almost pretend they were sitting out front at the Cinerama Dome.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on August 20, 2019, 06:16:46 PM
Um, fuck yeah.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Lottery on August 23, 2019, 10:35:25 AM
Quite impressed by QT in this one.
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I had hoped he would be able to curb his cartoonish impulses for this one and he mostly did, and it made for a daring, fascinating film.
I'm just a bit conflicted about the climax. The climax was fun and entertaining in the OTT QT way but at the same time I'm let down by the [handling of the] revisionism. He took so many confident steps in a different direction in this one but didn't have the balls to go through with the events and then went for something stylistically safe for him. But otherwise, the conclusion is fun, it makes sense for the characters and the last scene with the driveway and Dalton going up to meet Tate is just gorgeous. 
The revisionism is intriguing as the movie runs with the common knowledge and impression of Tate as a murder victim and ultimately re-frames her as simply the warmly portrayed individual present in the film, a person (the essence of a person) and not a headline.
The complaints about Tate not having enough lines are very bizarre to me. And Margot Robbie was superb in this with and without words.

The Bruce Lee caricature scene was off the mark and it was also marred by horrendous acting by Zoe Bell. It wasn't even fun bad acting like the director cameo in Django.

Really surprising stuff from QT.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on August 23, 2019, 04:53:46 PM
That QT/PTA DGA interview is up on their podcast channel
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on August 23, 2019, 05:07:07 PM
OUATIH obsessives might enjoy a podcast episode by the "Manson Consultant" to QT with some behind-the-scenes fanboy commentary. 


https://dearlydeparted.podbean.com/e/episode-11-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood/ (https://dearlydeparted.podbean.com/e/episode-11-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood/)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 23, 2019, 05:10:32 PM
Jesus two must-listens back to back! Guess I'm walking home tonight.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Vicko99 on August 24, 2019, 05:24:55 AM
Julia Butters plays Jodie foster, right? That's far too many coincidences
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Reel on August 24, 2019, 10:26:58 AM
That would be correct, sir! Thanks, that was one of the mysteries I hadn't cracked. Her name is 'Trudi' and Jodie Foster's imdb page reveals her working on 'Gunsmoke' and 'Bonanza' among other TV shows as a child.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: csage97 on August 24, 2019, 08:10:16 PM
Quote from: Something Spanish on August 19, 2019, 12:23:38 PM
sweet, can't wait to watch QT pat PTA's knees for the entire interview with every witty answer.

LOL, so true that that's how it probably went down.  :yabbse-grin:
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 25, 2019, 07:05:43 PM
Caught this again. Interesting experience. Rick & Cliff's bromance was less powerful on rewatch (not much left on the table to discover, I suppose).

Starting to convince myself that not only does Margot Robbie have the best performance, but Sharon Tate is the heart of the film, and the film is really about her and the Manson family. Cliff and Rick are accessories and complements to Sharon Tate's story. Any sane person would believe the opposite, that this is obviously Rick's story, but I think OUATIH is very sneakily all about Sharon Tate.

Robbie's performance is masterful. A perfect demonstration of less is more. We actually get so much information about Sharon Tate in this movie — more than we get about Cliff, arguably. My favorite moment is her reaction to Charles Manson's visit.

Also apparent on rewatch is the insane level of craftsmanship that went into this film, from script to post-production. Fun example: Steve McQueen says "I didn't stand a chance" (with Sharon); Rick later says "I didn't stand a chance" referring to a role that Steve McQueen ended up getting.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on August 25, 2019, 07:32:13 PM
I was disappointed on the lack of scenes between Rick and Cliff, they spend most of the movie apart. I wish we had more time to hang with both of them.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 25, 2019, 08:15:16 PM
I disagree; I think that's another case of "less is more." We get all we need. They have 2 particularly intense moments of friendship, in my opinion: the obvious one ("you're a good friend, Cliff") and the scene where Cliff watches Rick's episode with him and they do a running commentary.

I actually love that they split up. It allows us to have an A story, B story, and C story for the middle section of the film, structured (fittingly) like an episode of television, as these 3 characters go on their separate adventures (Rick, Cliff, and Sharon).
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on August 25, 2019, 08:23:24 PM
The story is also about them growing apart, professionaly, but I'm sure there could have been a place for some kind of flashback to show what kind of dynamic they had in their prime—or maybe he always used to be his shadow, silently sitting in the back. Personally, I love the scene when Rick starts crying and Cliff gives his glasses to him.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jviness02 on August 26, 2019, 01:37:43 PM
If anyone is interested, the artist for Rick Dalton's TV Guide and MAD cover is selling prints of his work. They aren't expensive. $10 for the TV Guide cover.

https://www.tomrichmond.com/store/

I picked up one of each to frame with my OUATIH poster.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Ravi on August 26, 2019, 05:43:30 PM
Director Boots Riley Calls Out Quentin Tarantino For Not Depicting Manson Family As White Supremacists In 'Once Upon A Time In Hollywood' (https://etcanada.com/news/495437/director-boots-riley-calls-out-quentin-tarantino-for-not-depicting-manson-family-as-white-supremacists-in-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood/?fbclid=IwAR27kNuvs-OpikLeYD9cj0nAyX9Tc6adxjeCEsP1fgPOY8xCmebIhc5pS1w)
By BRENT FURDYK. 1 hour ago

Boots Riley has been known to speak his mind, and the director of critically acclaimed sci-fi comedy "Sorry to Bother You" is taking aim at Quentin Tarantino's "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" for failing to depict one particular aspect of Charles Manson's followers.

In the film, stuntman Cliff Booth (Brad Pitt) picks up a hippie hitchhiker named Pussycat (Margaret Qualley), which leads him to encounter Manson's followers living in a commune on the Spahn Movie Ranch, a famed location for TV and movie westerns, owned by dairy farmer George Spahn (played in the film by Bruce Dern).

In a subsequent scene, a few of Manson's acolytes are on their way to murder Sharon Tate (Margot Robbie) at her home when they're accosted by her neighbour, margarita-swilling TV star Rick Dalton (Leonardo DiCaprio), who chews them out for their car's noisy muffler.

Recognizing Dalton from his hit TV series "Bounty Law", Manson's followers have an impromptu change of plans, declaring that all the fake murders they witnessed on television is deserving of punishment.

"My idea is to kill the people who taught us to kill," says one Manson follower as they decide to target Dalton instead, a diversion from reality that sets the film's grand finale in motion.

However, Riley points out that Tarantino is glossing over a key element of Manson's twisted philosophy: he and his followers were white supremacists, and their murder spree was intended to spark a black-vs.-white race war.

"The Manson Family were overt white supremacists who tried to start a race war with the goal of killing black folks," Riley tweeted. "They weren't 'hippies' spouting left critiques of media. They were rightwingers. This fact flips Tarantino's allegory on its head."

Tarantino has yet to respond to Riley's claims.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jviness02 on August 26, 2019, 05:58:31 PM
Boots Riley is a twat.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 26, 2019, 06:08:02 PM
Manson was for sure a racist, and it is credible that the ones who participated in the killings were instructed to make the crimes look like the work of the Black Panthers, but they were most certainly not a collective of overt white supremacists, or certifiable "right-wingers." I think it was more opportunistic in that regard than anything else. And much of the "race war" aspect of the official Helter Skelter narrative has been debunked. Manson never believed that shit for a second, and only the most feeble-minded of the bunch likely took it to heart. It was just an excuse to kill some "piggies".
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 26, 2019, 06:09:19 PM
Quote from: jviness02 on August 26, 2019, 01:37:43 PM
If anyone is interested, the artist for Rick Dalton's TV Guide and MAD cover is selling prints of his work. They aren't expensive. $10 for the TV Guide cover.

https://www.tomrichmond.com/store/

I picked up one of each to frame with my OUATIH poster.

Got the TV Guide one personalized at no extra charge with "8 goddamn fuckin' whiskey sours!"  :)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on August 26, 2019, 06:11:16 PM
It's ironic that by wanting to restore the facts, some people are promoting a less complex picture. Nobody is wondering why Tatantino doesn't include their motivations? It's pure contempt. Does highlighting the ridiculousness of these lost, neurotic hippies is disrespectful? Look, even the racial angle is dumb as hell: if they'd kill black people, I'd understand wanting to include, you know, the racism. But the whole thing is batshit crazy. Is this a way to minimize the racism to believe that it was some sort of pretext? I don't think so.

Also: Tarantino doesn't care about the socio, political environment, hippies and all. I think he managed to avoid all this without losing depth.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on August 28, 2019, 07:24:37 PM
Well, I just returned from a second viewing.

I was hoping zero expectations this time might allow me to enjoy it more, but the best I could do was dislike it a little less.  The first two acts were not as much of a slog this time (the time passed much more quickly)--but still too many scenes that went on too long. Unfortunately, I hated the third act even MORE this time. (I didn't think that was possible.)  It occurred to me the most appropriate word for it is ridiculous.  It just undoes everything that came before.

I'm glad I went and watched it with less anticipatory excitement and more of a dispassionate critical eye.  It confirmed that all of my original impressions haven't changed.

[edit]  I really picked up on Rick's pronounced stutter this time around.  Anyone have any thoughts on that?   
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on August 28, 2019, 08:08:12 PM
do you think it's better or worse than Legends of the Fall
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on August 29, 2019, 01:04:55 PM
That's such an oddly specific question, I can't tell if your fuckin' with me or not.   I don't remember Legends that well, so I'll just say I enjoyed Seven Years in Tibet more than I did OUATIH.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 29, 2019, 01:08:13 PM
Fair enough. Ya certainly gave it a good shake.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on August 29, 2019, 01:14:45 PM
Thanks for that.  It's been eatin' at me since last month.  I feel like such an outlier (especially here!  I still can't believe I'm the ONLY Xixax'er that had serious issues with this film..."Hey, Lurkers!  Back me up here, will ya?!") that I had to give it another (less excited) chance.   I think I can chill about it now--until early next year when it wins all the Oscars. 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on August 29, 2019, 01:50:59 PM
The poll (https://www.strawpoll.me/18561193) is up, guys. Make it count.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on August 29, 2019, 01:59:05 PM
In fairness, I can't vote until I can see Legends in 70mm at the Dome. 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on August 29, 2019, 03:06:01 PM
edge of my seat
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on August 29, 2019, 03:12:05 PM
Quote from: Robyn on August 29, 2019, 01:50:59 PM
The poll (https://www.strawpoll.me/18561193) is up, guys. Make it count.

What about Spider-Man 3?



I'm seeing OUATIA Monday for a second viewing, I'll have a clearer view of the picture.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on August 29, 2019, 03:18:58 PM
i confess that ive voted for Legends of the Fall twice, sorry but when Pitt dies from that bear fight, god that's hard to beat

if Spider-Man 3 was in there too id feel hella shook and uncertain
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on August 29, 2019, 03:40:56 PM
jenkins randomly bringing up Legends of the Fall and then voting for it twice is my favorite thing atm.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on August 29, 2019, 03:43:09 PM
lol. props to QT for being just the right guy for asking such a question

new bev's sep calendar is up and it's another month of ouatih, but this time mixed up with different qt movies in the midnight screenings. oh it's his theater and how can you hold it against him. ouatih is sold out today and has been every day, all its screenings except for, yes that's right, some midnight screenings. it all makes sense. PDL is also being shown, Heat twice and they're both sold out, and Mulholland Drive
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on August 29, 2019, 04:37:58 PM
Quote from: jenkins on August 29, 2019, 03:43:09 PM
lol. props to QT for being just the right guy for asking such a question

new bev's sep calendar is up and it's another month of ouatih, but this time mixed up with different qt movies in the midnight screenings. oh it's his theater and how can you hold it against him. ouatih is sold out today and has been every day, all its screenings except for, yes that's right, some midnight screenings. it all makes sense. PDL is also being shown, Heat twice and they're both sold out, and Mulholland Drive

And Escape From LA, wherein Peter Fonda surfs with Snake
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: HACKANUT on August 29, 2019, 04:52:53 PM
Quote from: wilberfan on August 28, 2019, 07:24:37 PM
[edit]  I really picked up on Rick's pronounced stutter this time around.  Anyone have any thoughts on that?

I've had a stutter since I was 2. Leo's performance is easily one of the most honest depictions I've ever seen. Most films default to the ridiculous Porky Pig stutter (you'd be surprised how little actual stutterers sound like this), but here Rick has whats called an avoidance stutter. It isn't brought up once, and rightly so. Most people with avoidance stutters do everything they can to hide it (changing word choices, silence, using some sort of tick to break through the block). This also does a lot for me to sell the fact that it seems Rick nearly had what he would call a successful career, but this small flaw in his ability to perform could have been a factor in his downward trajectory. After all, if it's you with a stutter versus Steve McQueen, all it takes is one stutter mid-audition to make McQueen the front-runner.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on August 29, 2019, 07:47:30 PM
Quote from: jenkins on August 29, 2019, 03:43:09 PM
new bev's sep calendar is up and it's another month of ouatih, but this time mixed up with different qt movies in the midnight screenings. oh it's his theater and how can you hold it against him. ouatih is sold out today and has been every day, all its screenings except for, yes that's right, some midnight screenings. it all makes sense.
Wonder how the print is holding up?  It's in super-heavy rotation.  I intentionally chose a DCP for yesterday's re-visit. (The $6 matinee price was a draw, too.)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: tpfkabi on August 29, 2019, 08:50:50 PM
New board, eh? I got a notification for the first time in a long time, methinks.

The ending of this film did not go how I was expecting. I was thinking it would be...
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the cult going to the Tate house like in real life, but Leo/Pitt come to help. I was ultimately imagining a very pregnant Tate covered in blood beating one of the cult members to death. Then the trauma of the situation might induce labor and she would have a healthy kid - I don't know how far along Tate was in real life for this to work out or not. Like the ultimate girl power moment. Them going to a completely different house didn't come to mind at all.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Reel on August 29, 2019, 09:06:41 PM
Same! I didn't think it through as far, but definitely thought that's how it'd go.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on August 29, 2019, 09:24:44 PM
She was two weeks from giving birth, irl. So it's not exactly implausible.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on August 30, 2019, 12:53:36 AM
Fred Raskin talks editing and Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood (https://postperspective.com/fred-raskin-talks-editing-and-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood/)

August 29, 2019   

By Amy Leland


Let's talk about the world of Tarantino. A big part of his legacy was his longtime collaboration with editor Sally Menke, who tragically passed away. How were you then brought in? I'm assuming it has something to do with your assistant editor credit on Kill Bill?
Yes. I assisted Sally for seven years. There were a couple of movies that we worked on together, and then she brought me in for the Kill Bill movies. And that's when I met Quentin. She taught me how an editing room is supposed to work. When she finished a scene, she would bring me and the other assistants into the room and get our thoughts. It was a welcoming, family-like environment, which I think Quentin really leaned into as well.

While he's shooting, Quentin doesn't come into the editing room. He comes in during post, but during production, he's really focused on shooting the movie. On Kill Bill, I didn't meet him until a few weeks after the shoot ended. He started coming in, and whenever he and Sally worked on a scene together, they would bring us in and get our thoughts. I learned pretty quickly that the more feedback you're able to give, the more appreciated it will be. Quentin has said that at least part of the reason why he went with me on Django Unchained was because I was so open with my comments. Also, as the whole world knows, Quentin is a huge movie lover. We frequently would find ourselves talking about movies. He'd be walking through the hall, and we'd just strike up a conversation, and so I think he saw in me a kindred spirit. He really kept me in the family after Kill Bill.

I got my first big editing break right after Kill Bill ended. I cut a movie called Annapolis, which Justin Lin directed. I was no longer on Quentin's crew, but we still crossed paths a lot. Over the years we'd just bump into each other at the New Beverly Cinema, the revival house that he now owns. We'd talk about whatever we'd seen lately. So he always kept me in mind. When he and Sally finished the rough cuts on Death Proof and Inglourious Basterds, he invited me to come to their small friends-and-family screenings, which was a tremendous honor.

On Django, you were working with a director who had the same collaborator in Sally Menke for such a long time. What was it like in those early days working on Django?
It was without question the most daunting experience that I have gone through in Hollywood. We're talking about an incredibly talented editor, Sally, whose shoes I had to attempt to fill, and a filmmaker for whom I had the utmost respect.

Some of the western town stuff was shot at movie ranches just outside of LA, and we would do dailies screenings in a trailer there. I made sure that I sat near him with a list of screening notes. I really just took note of where he laughed. That was the most important thing. Whatever he laughed at, it meant that this was something that he liked. There was a PA on set when they went to New Orleans. I stayed in LA, but I asked her to write down where he laughs.

I'm a fan of his. When I went to see Reservoir Dogs, I remember walking out of the theater and thinking, "Well, that's like the most exciting filmmaker that I've seen in quite some time." Now I'm getting the chance to work with him. And I'll say because of my fandom, I have a pretty good sense as to his style and his sense of humor. I think that that all helped me when I was in the process of putting the scenes together on Django. I was very confident in my work when I started showing him stuff on that movie.

Now, seven years later, you are on your third film with him. Have you found a different kind of rhythm working with him than you had on that first film?
I would say that a couple of little things have changed. I personally have gained some confidence in how I approach stuff with him. If there was something that I wasn't sure was working, or that maybe I felt was extraneous, in Django, I might have had some hesitation about expressing it because I wouldn't want to offend him. But now both of us are coming from the perspective of just wanting to make the best movie that we possibly can. I'm definitely more open than I might have been back then.

Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood has an interesting blend of styles and genres. The thing that stands out is that it is a period piece. Beyond that, you have the movies and TV shows within the movie that give you additional styles. And there is a "horror movie" scene.
Right, the Spahn Ranch sequence.

That was so creepy! I really had that feeling the whole time of, "They can't possibly kill off Brad Pitt's character this early, can they?"
That's the idea. That's what you're supposed to be feeling.

When you are working with all of those overlapping styles, do you have to approach the work a different way?
The style of the films within the film was influenced by the movies of the era to some degree. There wasn't anything stylistically that had us trying to make the movie itself feel like a movie from 1969. For example, Leonardo DiCaprio's character, Rick Dalton, is playing the heavy on a western TV show called Lancer in the movie. Quentin referred to the Lancer stuff as, "Lancer is my third western, after Django and The Hateful Eight." He didn't direct that show as though it was a TV western from the late '60s. He directed it like it was a Quentin Tarantino western from 2019. Quentin's style is really all his own.

There are no rules when you're working on a Quentin Tarantino movie because he knows everything that's come before, and he is all about pushing the boundaries of what you can do — which is both tremendously exciting and a little scary, like is this going to work for everyone? The idea that we have a narrator who appears once in the first 10 minutes of the movie and then doesn't appear again until the last 40 minutes, is that something that's going to throw people off? His feeling is like, yeah, there are going to be some people out there who are going to feel that it's weird, but they're also going to understand it. That's the most important thing. He's a firm believer in doing whatever we need to do to tell the story as clearly and as concisely as possible. That voiceover narration serves that purpose. Weird or not.

You said before that he doesn't come into the edit during production. What is your work process during production? Are you beginning the rough cut? And if so, are you sending him things, or are you really not collaborating with him on that process at all until post begins?
This movie was shot in LA, so for the first half of the shoot, we would do regular dailies screenings. I'd sit next to him and write down whatever he laughed at. That process that began on Django has continued. Then I'll take those notes. Then I assemble the material as we're shooting, but I don't show him any of it. I'm not sending him cuts. He doesn't want to see cuts. I don't think he wants the distractions of needing to focus on editing.

On this movie, there were only two occasions when he did come into the editing room during production. The movie takes place over the course of three days, and at the end of the second day, the characters are watching Rick on the TV show The F.B.I., which was a real show and that episode was called "All the Streets Are Silent." The character of Michael Murtaugh was played in the original episode by a young Burt Reynolds. They found a location that matched pretty perfectly and reshot only the shots that had Burt Reynolds in them. They reshot with Leonardo DiCaprio, as Rick Dalton, playing that character. He had to come into the editing room to see how it played and how it matched, and it matched remarkably well. I think that people watching the movie probably assume that Quentin shot the whole thing, or that we used some CG technology to get Leo into the shots. But no, they just figured out exactly the shots that they needed to shoot, and that was all the new material. The rest was from the original episode.

The other time he came into the edit during production was the sequence in which Bruce Lee and Cliff have their fight. The whole dialogue scene that opens that sequence, it all plays out in one long take. So he was very excited to see how that shot played out. But one of the things that we had spoken about over the course of working together is when you do a long take, the most important thing is what that cut is going to be at the end of the long take. How can we make that cut the most impactful? In this case, the cut is to Cliff throwing Bruce Lee into the car. He wanted to watch the whole scene play out, and then see how that cut worked. When I showed it to him, I had my finger on the stop button so that after that cut, I would stop it so he wouldn't see anything more and wouldn't get tempted to get sucked into maybe giving notes. I reached to stop, but he was like, "No, no, no let it play out." He watched the fight scene, and he was like, "That's fantastic." He was very happy.

Once you were in post, what were some of the particular challenges of this film?
One of the really important things is how integral sound was to the process of making this movie. First there were the movies and shows within the movie. When we're watching the scenes from Bounty Law, the '50s Western that Rick starred in, it wasn't just about the 4×3, black and white photography, but also how we treated the sound. Our sound editorial team and our sound mixing team did an amazing job of getting that stuff to sound like a 16-millimeter print. Like, they put just the right amount of warble into the dialogue, and it makes it feel very authentic. Also, all the Bounty Law stuff is mono, not this wide stereo thing that would not be appropriate for the material from that era.

And I mentioned the Spahn Ranch sequence, when for 20 minutes the movie turns into an all-out horror movie. One of Quentin's rules for me when I'm putting my assembly together is that he generally does not want me cutting with music. He frequently has specific ideas in his head about what the music is going to be, and he doesn't want to see something that's not the way he imagined it. That's going to take him out of it, and he won't be able to enjoy the sequence.

When I was putting the Spahn Ranch sequence together, I knew that I had to make it suspenseful without having music to help me. So, I turned to our sound editors, Wylie Stateman and Leo Marcil, and said, "I want this to sound like The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, like I want to have low tones and creaking wood and metal wronks. Let's just feel the sense of dread through this sequence." They really came through.

And what ended up happening is, I don't know if Quentin's intention originally was to play it without music, but ultimately all the music in the scene comes from what Dakota Fanning's character, Squeaky, is watching on the TV. Everything else is just sound effects, which were then mixed into the movie so beautifully by Mike and Chris Minkler. There's just a terrific sense of dread to that sequence, and I credit the sound effects as much as I do the photography.

This film was cut on Avid. Have you always cut on Avid? Do you ever cut on anything else?

When I was in film school, I cut on film. If fact, I took the very first Avid class that NYU offered. That was my junior year, which was long before there were such things as film options or anything. It was really just kind of the basics, a basic Avid Media Composer.

I've worked on Final Cut Pro a few times. That's really the only other nonlinear digital editing system that I've used. I've never actually used Premiere.

At this point my whole sound effects and music library is Avid-based, and I'm just used to using the Avid. I have a keyboard where all of my keys are mapped, and I find, at this point, that it's very intuitive for me. I like working with it.

This movie was shot on film, and we printed dailies from the negative. But the negative was also scanned in at 4K, and then those 4K scans were down-converted to DNx115, which is an HD resolution on the Avid. So we were editing in HD, and we could do screenings from that material when we needed to. But we would also do screenings on film.

Wow, so even with your rough cuts, you were turning them around to film cuts again?
Yeah. Once production ended, and Quentin came into the editing room, when we refined a scene to his liking, I would immediately turn that over to my Avid assistant, Chris Tonick. He would generate lists from that cut and would turn it over to our film assistants, Bill Fletcher and Andrew Blustain. They would conform the film print to match the edit that we had in the Avid so that we were capable of screening the movie on film whenever we wanted to. There was always going to be a one- or two-day lag time, depending on when we finished cutting on the Avid. But we were able to get it up there pretty quickly.

Sometimes if you have something like opticals or titles, you wouldn't be able to generate those for film quickly enough. So if we wanted to screen something immediately, we would have to do it digitally. But as long as we had a couple of days, we would be able to put it up on film, and we did end up doing one of our test screenings on 35 millimeter, which was really great. It added one more layer of authenticity to the movie, getting to see it projected on film.

For a project of this scope, how many assistants do you work with, and how do you like to work with those assistants?
Our team consists of post production supervisor Tina Anderson, who really oversees everything. She runs the editing room. She figures out what we're going to need. She's got this long list of items that she goes down every day, and makes sure that we are prepared for whatever is going to come our way. She's really remarkable.

My first assistant Chris Tonick is the Avid assistant. He cut a handful of scenes during production, and I would occasionally ask him to do some sound work. But primarily during production, he was getting the dailies prepped — getting them into the Avid for me and laying out my bins the way I like them.

In post, we added an Avid second named Brit DeLillo, who would help Chris when we needed to do turnovers for sound or visual effects, music, all of those people.

Then we had our film crew, Bill Fletcher and Andrew Blustain. They were syncing dailies during production, and then they were conforming the film print during post.

Last, but certainly not least, we had Alana Feldman, our post PA, who made sure we had everything we needed.

And honestly, for everybody on the crew, their most important role beyond the work that they were hired to do, was to be an audience member for us whenever we finished a scene. That tradition I experienced as an assistant working under Sally is the tradition that we've continued. Whenever we finish a sequence, we bring the whole crew up and show them the scene. We want people to react. We want to hear how they're responding. We want to know what's working and what isn't working. Being good audience members is actually a key part of the job.

When you're looking for somebody to join your team as an assistant, what are you looking for?
There are a few things. One obvious thing, right off the bat, is someone who is personable. Is this someone I'm going to want to have lunch with every day for months on end? Generally, especially working on a Quentin Tarantino movie, somebody with a good knowledge of film history who has a love of movies is going to be appreciated in that environment.

The other thing that I would say honestly  — and this might sound funny — is having the ability to see the future. And I don't mean that I need psychic film assistants. I mean they need to be able to figure out what we're going to need later on down the line and be prepared for it.

If I turn over a sequence, they should be looking at it and realizing, oh, there are some visual effects in here that we're going to have to address, so we have to alert the visual effects companies about this stuff, or at least ask me if it's something that I want.

If there were somebody who thought to themselves, "I want a career like Fred Raskin's. I want to edit these kinds of cool films," what advice would you give them as they're starting out?
I have three standard pieces of advice that I give to everyone. My experience, I think, is fairly unique. I've been incredibly fortunate to get to work with some of my favorite filmmakers. The way my story unfolded ... not everybody is going to have the opportunities I've had.

But my standard pieces of advice are, number one — and I mentioned this earlier — be personable. You're working with people you're going to share space with for many months on end. You want to be the kind of person with whom they're going to want to spend time. You want to be able to get along with everyone around you. And you know, sometimes you've got some big personalities to deal with, so you have to be the type who can navigate that.

Then I would say, watch everything you possibly can. Quentin is obviously an extreme example, but most filmmakers got into this business because they love movies. And so the more you know about movies, and the more you're able to talk about movies, the more those filmmakers are going to respect you and want to work with you. This kind of goes hand in hand with being personable.

The other piece of advice — and I know this sounds like a no-brainer — if you're going for an interview with a filmmaker, make sure you've familiarized yourself with that person's work. Be able to talk with them about their movies. They're going to appreciate that you took the time to explore their work. Everybody wants to talk about the work they've done, so if you're able to engage them on that level, I think it's going to reflect well on you.

Absolutely. That's great advice.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on August 30, 2019, 10:46:43 AM
The New Beverly Cinema pod, Pure Cinema Podcast, has Fred Raskin on their August calendar (https://purecinemapodcast.libsyn.com/) episode, and if you can't get enough info on this film it's a deep dive that covers QT'z thoughts on Fast & Furious, the OUATIH editing structure ("from 60s De Palma to Quentin's third western"), and what the heck was going on inside the Bev during it's renovation period.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: achordion on September 04, 2019, 12:39:16 AM
Quote from: wilberfan on August 29, 2019, 01:14:45 PM
Thanks for that.  It's been eatin' at me since last month.  I feel like such an outlier (especially here!  I still can't believe I'm the ONLY Xixax'er that had serious issues with this film..."Hey, Lurkers!  Back me up here, will ya?!") that I had to give it another (less excited) chance.   I think I can chill about it now--until early next year when it wins all the Oscars.

Lurker here. You're not the only one.  I found this movie dull and uninspired. It's really lacking in depth. Tarantino's humor is increasingly derivative, on-the-nose, and predictably formulaic. He can only write dialogue in one rhythm and cadence (usually ending in a punchline) and it's beyond tired at this point. On top of all this, it's also just casually sexist and racist in a way that are totally revealing of Tarantino's truly limited perspective.

Also, firmly of the belief that the orgy of revenge violence that caps off every single one of his films has been completely narratively forced and unearned for the past three films now.

And it's worth noting that, in a very real way, this film does not work at all without prior knowledge of the Manson murders. The film doesn't give you background on it and yet a significant portion of the movie's "suspense" relies on you already knowing these facts which are not set-up or explained in the film. Thus, the film will not work for successive generations who will likely have no prior knowledge of Charles Manson (him being dead now and the big 50th anniversary having passed). That being said, I thought the suspenseful scenes were very flat in this movie anyway -- the weakest of his career. Did not for a second feel like Pitt was in real danger for instance.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on September 04, 2019, 12:00:27 PM
Quote from: achordion on September 04, 2019, 12:39:16 AM
Quote from: wilberfan on August 29, 2019, 01:14:45 PM
Thanks for that.  It's been eatin' at me since last month.  I feel like such an outlier (especially here!  I still can't believe I'm the ONLY Xixax'er that had serious issues with this film..."Hey, Lurkers!  Back me up here, will ya?!") that I had to give it another (less excited) chance.   I think I can chill about it now--until early next year when it wins all the Oscars.

On top of all this, it's also just casually sexist and racist in a way that are totally revealing of Tarantino's truly limited perspective.

Which way is that?
Interested in particular how you find the sexism and racism to be revealed in this movie. Considering it's not particularly different from his usual genre-pulp, and there's more women with agency in OUATIH than in either Django or Hateful (not that I find those movies sexist, just that, this movie is so tame & tasteful compared to his more focused explosions).
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Neil on September 04, 2019, 12:19:46 PM
isn't manson still alive?
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on September 04, 2019, 02:46:55 PM
In our hearts and minds, apparently.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on September 04, 2019, 02:51:52 PM
The next Manson is on SoundCloud.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Neil on September 04, 2019, 04:45:09 PM
Quote from: Drenk on September 04, 2019, 02:51:52 PM
The next Manson is on SoundCloud.

I think his name is Lil Tay, and he's already in prison.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: achordion on September 04, 2019, 10:22:27 PM
Quote from: WorldForgot on September 04, 2019, 12:00:27 PM
Quote from: achordion on September 04, 2019, 12:39:16 AM
Quote from: wilberfan on August 29, 2019, 01:14:45 PM
Thanks for that.  It's been eatin' at me since last month.  I feel like such an outlier (especially here!  I still can't believe I'm the ONLY Xixax'er that had serious issues with this film..."Hey, Lurkers!  Back me up here, will ya?!") that I had to give it another (less excited) chance.   I think I can chill about it now--until early next year when it wins all the Oscars.

On top of all this, it's also just casually sexist and racist in a way that are totally revealing of Tarantino's truly limited perspective.

Which way is that?
Interested in particular how you find the sexism and racism to be revealed in this movie. Considering it's not particularly different from his usual genre-pulp, and there's more women with agency in OUATIH than in either Django or Hateful (not that I find those movies sexist, just that, this movie is so tame & tasteful compared to his more focused explosions).
I'll give a few examples, but there are many, some requiring a shot-by-shot, line-by-line analysis and it ain't screener season yet. 

Racism:
-The Bruce Lee scene is some straight white man's burden shit and plays to Asian tropes that have been regressive for the better part of 50 years at this point.
-Complete erasure of race from the ideology behind the Manson murders. The documentation of this is clear. Then again, this film doesn't seem too concerned with historical facts surrounding its very real characters, much to its detriment.
-Apparently tired of gleefully over-using the N-word, here he instead over-uses Mexican slurs to the enjoyment of... not me or anyone I know.

Sexism:
-Deliberately justifying Polanski's sex crime: "I'm old enough to fuck you, but you're too old to fuck me."
-The brief presentation of Cliff's wife as deserving of murder, but not actually showing the act in order to suggest maybe she wasn't murdered, maybe it was an accident (as Cliff's character surely claimed in court) which is exactly the kind of "did it really happen" and victim blaming sentiment prevalent in the Polanski case, and the cases of most of the male sex offenders who have been taken down by the #MeToo movement (including Tarantino's former godfather Weinstein).
-The little girl as an infantilizing representation of the feminist who doesn't like being talked down to.
-Manson's near-total lack of presence in the film puts the onus on the women as the lead perpetrators of the violence and insidious ideology.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on September 04, 2019, 11:21:03 PM
the Bruce Lee bit is curious. i believe that QT was aware of what he was doing, and the scene was meant to be surprising. he was going against the grain. but it does come off as trolling, really. and the end of the movie is explicit trolling

i think QT could have lightly touched the heavy issue of white supremacy without overcomplicating or overwhelming his story. he knows how to reference things. allude to them. raise awareness. the blood on the cotton in Django Unchained is a highly poetic demonstration of this ability within him. in fact i think Django is his most poetic movie but that's another topic

any use is overuse, there are two Mexican slurs in the movie. he went there. he's trolling

i'm not sure who said that line or how it justifies Polanski

it's crazy to say the wife deserved to be murdered, period. and you can't know the true facts about a fictitious character, like what, you picture the court room? there's a good heart in the topic but it's a kangaroo court

the little girl is so badass and when she complimented Leo it was the biggest compliment he received the entire movie it knocked me out

picturing the movie without Manson, i can see what you're saying. but like, no offense, fuck Manson. fuck him, and i'm glad he and his ideologies were left out. he was bad news. he shouldn't be glorified. he shouldn't be celebrated as a central figure in a multiplex movie. QT actually handled this aspect with grace. and he made the women, shit this is cool, i just read it, he made the women the lead perpetrators of the violence and insidious ideology! don't need no patriarchy, thank you much. this is the opposite of sexist
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on September 05, 2019, 12:05:35 PM
Pussycat said it, Jenks, in the car, and she is defooo older than Polanski's victim was... QT seems disinterested in "politics," as far as black and white sensationalizing would go, and the line is deliberate, I'd agree, but its not any sort of over vindication. Entrenched, yet, in how we handle our own media culture. Trudi Flaser is a boss and will teach many people to cut it out with "actress," which is nonsensical. She is a reflection of Sharon and Natalie Wood and Jodie and so many women that illuminate our movie dreamz.

As a Mexican biboy that's listened to many of la raza speak on it, I can guarantee you we are not offended by this fault of Rick's, lol.

(AND, I gotta say it, during the 4/20 show at the Bev this year they played CHEECH AND CHONGS NEXT MOVIE and FRIDAY, and listen man.... QTz movie theater packed, LA crowd, you know, a crowd even less biased than what you get for OUATIH at the Bev because it's poc stoner flicks, all laughing together at this (https://vimeo.com/225029496) and that (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNR7WJ3SW60).. I mean, some things are funny because we understand the distance between us and what's on screen. The human faults, the absurdity of the past. Our irl unease could use a release valve, maybe?)

All your stances feel near Ad Hominem toward QT rather than the screenplay, and I do appreciate you elaborating, sincerely. ( welcome to the board!! ) I adore an eye on progressive cinema, but i dont think that sterilization is the way... For me the guideposts are Pasolini, Claire Denis, Gregg Araki, Todd Haynes, Assayas... Cinema striving to be transgressive, not stringently leftist. That's just my bag though, in this realm of "provocations." Not all filmmakers are sensationalists but obviously there exists the breed that yearns to scandalize. QT digz provocative films much more than any of us, I'd assume.

The only one social-alarm stance you didn't cite is the "he didn't include the Vietnam!" aspect. Still surprised, achordion, that this of all films, pushed you to feel that Tarantino's regressive or toxic. Anything you mentioned about OUATIH can be leveled against Reservoir Dogs or Pulp or Jackie Brown, even.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on September 05, 2019, 02:50:08 PM
QuoteDeliberately justifying Polanski's sex crime: "I'm old enough to fuck you, but you're too old to fuck me."

That's overreaching. Polanski didn't rape a 17 years old woman (I mean, the scene in the movie doesn't even truly work since the actress is clearly in her twenties) but at 13 years old girl, the difference is kind of huge. If the little girl had said this line to Cliff Booth, then yeah...

Also, I think that Tarantino sees himself in the little girl, he's from her generation and clearly respects acting, I remember him saying that during the shoot of Jackie Brown he imitated an actor (or director? I don't remember) all day, method-like.

He has two thin "characters", both hysteric wives, which show a boyish sense of humor, borderline sexist, yes—no need to say that the viewer is supposed to think that it's all right if a woman is murdered, that's definitely not his intention and not the way the scene makes sense. There is a perverse attraction toward Cliff, even though we know he's probably murdered his wife—ultimately, I'm watching a movie and my feelings toward the character are not the feelings I'd have if Cliff Booth was my co-worker.

I find the Bruce Lee part racist because I was physically uncomfortable when Booth mocked the sounds Lee made, and that was silly in the first part to transform Lee into a caricature of his on screen persona—the joke about a big name being cocky and then "humbled" always work for me, and I ultimately love the way it's shot, but it does make me cringe.

The Mexican lines are character development. They're white dudes in the sixties.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on September 05, 2019, 08:51:48 PM
Pussycat perpetuates insidious ideology

the Bruce Lee scene is like the QT cameo in Pulp Fiction
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: achordion on September 05, 2019, 08:53:29 PM
The actress being older than 18 is besides the point. We are led to believe she is an underage teen. The line feels super deliberate, throwaway and yet front-and-center, especially in light of the controversy that surrounded Tarantino's comments about Polanski's sex crime. Despite his public apology for his comments, Tarantino's original beliefs are reaffirmed here: some underage girls are temptresses, fully capable of making adult choices of what to do with their bodies. And were it not for the law, it would be totally ok for a a middle aged man to 'acquiesce' to their sexual desire. It's NAMBLA shit on the face of it. This film is highly reactionary and problematic in noteable ways.

Fair enough on not being offended by the Mexican slurs, but that wasn't exactly my point. Their presence feels part and parcel of Tarantino's somewhat racist and sexist tendencies which comes into clear view in this film through what feel like deliberate choices and less comments on the the characters, setting, or story.

I agree with you that audiences' awareness of the distance between the images on screen and their current reality can be a source of great humor. I've always enjoyed attending screenings of old exploitation and schlock films partly for this very reason. But it's become clearer to me over time that not everyone is laughing for the same reasons. Depending on the audience, many people are laughing with the regressive aspects of these films, not at them -- particularly the case with older white men.

Totally, I'm not advocating for sterilizing storytelling, and certainly not history. But I do think these cultural critiques are an important part of the viewing experience, and can exist comfortably alongside the auteurist critiques of craft. I love the filmmakers you mentioned and think there's a greater degree of thoughtfulness in their use of violence and epithets in their films. Their choices feel artistically earned and justified.

I think Reservoir Dogs and Jackie Brown (his best film) don't actually suffer as much from these issues. The n-word is prevalent in Jackie Brown, but it feels like a natural part of Ordell's character to use the word so much. Reservoir Dogs is following violent mob criminals who, of course, are presented as sexist and racist because that's how these people are in real life.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on September 05, 2019, 09:37:51 PM
i don't believe that QT is asking you to look at the movie through your perspective on him as a person rather than through characters, setting, and story. that's a definite choice of perspective, which you mention and compliment. and we're not the kind of people who like to take what makes a person feel good away from them. but we, or at least i, to not create a group situation, i like to talk about the character, setting, and story
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on September 05, 2019, 09:54:45 PM
Quote from: achordion on September 05, 2019, 08:53:29 PM
But it's become clearer to me over time that not everyone is laughing for the same reasons. Depending on the audience, many people are laughing with the regressive aspects of these films, not at them -- particularly the case with older white men.

This is the most interesting part of the film's public discussion, to me! I dont agree with yours or jenkins' reading of the Pussycat scene, only because I dont see any teens here illustrated as "fully capable of making [the] adult choice," and what's at stake is innocence across the board. The characters' and the medium's.

It's an Archie Bunker scenario.
Are we shining a light on the culture watching what they themselves made, and what are the implications of who enjoys it, or is the mirror fueling more narcissists? I lean toward, and hope for, the former.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on September 05, 2019, 09:59:36 PM
mine wasn't a scene reading but a look at the scene from an offered perspective

Cliff is not biting the bait is what i remember. certainly complexities within this arrangement

everything is going fine
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: achordion on September 05, 2019, 10:07:09 PM
These are interesting points. I don't profess to definitively know what a director is thinking, but I think through analysis we can get closer and deeper into their conscious and unconscious self than any interview will reveal. By my analysis, this feels like a highly reactionary film, and it stands out from his ouevre in that regard.

I think deeply problematic art mirrors aspects of society certainly, and in so doing reinforces those problematic aspects. Challenging such works is important because it presents a counterpoint. It's dialectical; it helps move us forward.

Also, thanks for the warm welcome y'all!

Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on September 06, 2019, 02:32:42 AM
by my analysis you're a million fucking miles from connecting with his deeper consciousness or unconsciousness. welcome to the board
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on September 07, 2019, 05:25:12 PM
deliberately went to a dying-down midnight screening in order to separate my viewing experience from the experiences of others

(https://i.imgur.com/vm34N7c.jpg?1)

i sat in the back so everything this time was between me and the movie. i'm internalizing its rhythms, which is my favorite way to experience a movie, and can best be achieved during a repeat viewing. it's when the movie magic is becoming familiar to me, part of me

(https://i.imgur.com/6c5rC4s.jpg?1)

wilberfan first mentioned Rick's stutter, and HACKANUT first gave it emotional depth. among what i specifically wanted to see this time was whether Rick stuttered during his audition for The Great Escape. but i must admit that by then i was nodding off to sleep, how disappointing. he doesn't stutter in the first clip from the audition, but during the second clip i was so near sleep i can't accurately say. did his stutter blow it?

after my first viewing was when i mentioned to my friend that although Cliff is a breezy and likable character, Rick requires the most work as an actor. and that's still true. Leo out of anyone does the most pound-for-pound acting in this movie

because here's a movie that almost seems as if it doesn't require acting. Cliff achieves contentedness amidst the swirl of all movie things, and Sharon's whole life is on an upswing.  Rick is the panic button. Rick knows it. Cliff knows it. we know it

and that's all ontological, which is mostly what this movie depicts: ontology. i hear people say this movie is most like Jackie Brown but i don't understand why they're saying that. i myself sort of understate the similarities between this movie and his previous historical revenge fantasies. but really i think this movie is tonally different from his other movies by a large margin. the narrative thrust is amorphous unless you track the characters. almost nothing happens but them. Manson isn't a vital component within the movie. white supremacy isn't mentioned. things like that are omitted in order to focus on a sense of being, which is so light i even fell asleep but don't take it personal. i was awake for the ending again

walking away from the theater i felt calmer than i have in a long while. not just because of seeing the movie, for a variety of reasons, but the movie was helpful.  to full circle, that's because i internalized the rhythms of a calm movie

it's sort of the movie version of keep calm and carry on
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on September 07, 2019, 08:32:35 PM
Whenever I see photos of the interior I'm always surprised at how....not big...the New Bev really is. 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on September 09, 2019, 12:22:23 PM
Somehow photos make it look bigger than it actually is, lol!
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on September 11, 2019, 07:34:38 PM
Kim Morgan, cinema essayist, constant New Bev contributor, and occasional GDT-date,  has interviewed QT for the New Bev'z blog.   (http://thenewbev.com/blog/2019/09/tarantino-on-hollywood/)

Full interview does not fit in our maximum character length --
Excerpt Transcript in the Spoilz:: ShowHide
 Kim Morgan: In your film, there's the myth-like idea of LA and the geographical idea of LA, and you've merged them together beautifully: all of those gorgeous shots of Cliff driving – everyone drives a lot, of course, this is Los Angeles, except for Rick Dalton [who has too many drunk driving incidents]. And the way you've recreated 1969 LA, the movie posters, the radio channels in the car, looking out at all that – it's mythical and real.

Quentin Tarantino: I gotta tell you something. We can get actual photos of what Sunset Boulevard looked like in 1969 or what Riverside Drive looked like, or Magnolia, we can do that. And we did it. But the jumping-off point was going to be my memory – as a six-year old sitting in the passenger seat of my stepfather's Karmann Ghia. And even that shot, that kind of looks up at Cliff as he drives by the Earl Scheib, and all those signs, that's pretty much my perspective, being a little kid...

KM: We've talked a lot before about Jacques Demy's Model Shop – I think he would have loved this film.

QT: Yeah. "The Umbrellas of Van Nuys"; "The Young Girls of Toluca Lake" (laughs). Again, that's an aspect of a memory piece because I remember what it was like. But, also as a little kid – and probably now too, but especially as a little kid – you see what you want to see. You throw the things you don't care about out of focus and you throw sharp focus on the things you care about – so... I'm looking out the window and see Los Angeles out in front of me and I'm being more selective about what I'm looking at as opposed to Demy in Model Shop. So, it's the movie billboards and it's the soda pop billboards. I'm not seeing the Geritol billboard, but the Hollywood Wax Museum with the Clark Gable picture. And so, in doing a memory piece, I create that landscape.

KM: So, who is Rick Dalton based on?

QT: I like talking about these guys. George Maharis, Ty Hardin, Vince Edwards, Edd Byrnes, and Fabian a little bit, and Tab Hunter a little bit too... So that sets [Rick Dalton] up, he's not of this generation, he's not a New Hollywood type of actor – you don't see him fitting in with Peter Fonda or Jack Nicholson or Donald Sutherland or Elliott Gould or any of these guys. Those are the actors of the time.

KM: Which directors do you think Rick Dalton would have worked with?

QT: He would have worked with guys like Paul Wendkos... If he was lucky, he would have worked with Phil Karlson, Leslie Martinson, people like that. One of the things about the actors of that era [and Rick Dalton], like I said, they were status conscious, so they would love to be in a Burt Kennedy western. Not because they think Burt Kennedy is the greatest director in the world, but because he makes movies for Warner Brothers. And 20th Century Fox... If Rick were offered an AIP [American International Pictures] movie, [he] wouldn't do it: "Well, of course I'm not going to work for AIP. That's where the losers work. That's for fucking Ray Milland. That's for fading stars like Milland and slumming stars, like Bette Davis, and phony non stars like Vincent Price and Fabian."

KM: And his career could have been different had he worked with AIP or something like that...

QT: In that chapter I wrote on [the book about] Rick's career, "The Man Who Would Be McQueen", I actually have that in that version, and I did it in a scene with Marvin. OK, Rick's contract is over with Universal and now he's a free agent and having to fend for himself. In that prose I'd written that he did get one offer for a movie after the Universal contract was over. The movie offered was John Cassavetes' role in Devil's Angels, which was Roger Corman's follow-up to The Wild Angels. And he turned it down: "I'm not gonna work with Corman. I'm not gonna work with AIP. That's junk." These TV guys were taught: if you're gonna be a TV star, you have to be likeable. But so, he's using old world rules. So those are all reasons that Rick would have said no, but the reality is, that that would have given Rick everything he wanted if he had done it. It would have been his one, along with "The 14 Fists of McCluskey" – his one genuine hit. This wouldn't have been a movie that is stuck with the other movies in the early part of the 60s. It was zeitgeisty. This was a movie that actually young people would have went to see.

KM: Yeah. And he would meet people like Jack Nicholson, he would have met Bruce Dern [who plays ranch owner George Spahn in the film] ...

QT: Absolutely! And, I had it, that actually AIP was really into the idea. So, if he had done Devil's Angels, they probably would have plugged him into like, three other biker movies that they had on deck... He would have been a young people's actor. But through his class consciousness, he threw it all away and wonders why he's standing on the outside of a cultural shift.

KM: And ... Rick Dalton is in his late 30s in 1969, he's getting older, but even Nicholson and Bruce Dern, though younger than Rick, and a different generation, they were in their early thirties by 1969...they had already worked for a while, and on TV, and worked in AIP films...

QT: No, but you're right though – Nicholson – Bruce told me that he and Jack killed themselves trying to get on western shows. And I mean, guesting on them... The Virginian is on for nine years – Doug McClure and James Drury stayed there, but then the rest of the cast like rotates every four years.... They wanted to get on a series... Like Nicholson would have loved to have been on The Virginian in its sixth season. Bruce said, at that time, we wanted Robert Fuller's career (laughs): "We wanted to be on our version of Laramie we wanted to join Wagon Train in their color years." (laughs) Bruce Dern actually did get on a show – he and Warren Oates were Jack Lord's sidekick on the show, Stoney Burke ... and Bruce Dern said "Oh, it's one of the worst jobs I have had!" And I asked, "Why?" and he said, "Well, I'm on it for like two fucking years and every week it just boils down to a reaction shot of me watching Jack Lord – the biggest prick in the business – riding a bucking bronco and yelling "You got it Stoney! Ride 'em Stoney!" (laughs) "That was like, my part!"

KM: Bruce Dern has such a long, wide-ranging career and worked with guys like Rick. He must have had a lot of stories.

QT: He [played] such interesting bad guys on these western shows, like his characters in the stuff he did in '64 or '65 or '66 could be a main character in a 70s western. Like he did a Big Valley episode where it's him and Lee Majors doing a lot of stuff together and he's a bounty hunter, but his whole thing was to dress like a priest, so if you're his bounty, he approaches you on a horse, with a collar and the black frock and the bible, and he asks to have some beans at your little campfire and you say yes because he's a priest, and then he shoots you dead. (Laughs) That's his modus operandi. That's a fucking great character.... Bruce Dern, all those guys: Robert Blake, Burt Reynolds... they remember every episodic television director they ever worked with, Bruce better than all of them. If you name an episode and the director, Bruce will tell you a little story about that guy...

KM: Well, that was smart, considering who some of those guys were who were directing episodic television, like Sam Peckinpah...

QT: Well, actually, of that whole group that I call the post-60s anti-authority auteurs, a lot of them came from television. He's the only one whose television work represents his feature work. I mean, like the only one. Mark Rydell can direct a really good episode of Gunsmoke and Michael Ritchie can direct a really good episode of The Big Valley, but they don't necessarily look like [Ritchie's 1972 film] The Candidate. But Peckinpah's stuff, even the scripts he wrote that he didn't even direct, have a Peckinpah feel – the way I think there's a Corbucci West – suggest a Peckinpah West. That even in his random episodes that he wrote for Gunsmoke – it's right there.

KM: And then Dern must have had some thoughts about 1969 in particular...

QT: Yeah, he had a huge memory because one of the weird dichotomies going on was everybody, [Dern's] whole circle, is blowing up and becoming superstars, and he's still stuck doing this episodic television stuff and doing this B-movie stuff and playing western scoundrels in these other movies, while Peter Fonda and Jack Nicholson and Dennis Hopper are starting to run the damn town. So, look at it in perspective – so, in 1970 Jack Nicholson does Five Easy Pieces, directs Drive, He Said, and then is brought into On a Clear Day You Can See Forever to bring youth appeal to the movie. That year Bruce Dern guested on a Land of the Giants and starred in The Incredible 2-Headed Transplant. (Laughs) He also gives the best performance in Drive, He Said, but all that had to be hard for him. But it all changed the next year. The next year he does The Cowboys and Silent Running.

KM: How much did you work with Burt Reynolds before he sadly passed away? He must have been great to talk to.

QT: When I was getting to know him, I was really taking advantage of that: I've got Burt Reynolds to talk to, and he understands the politics of this movie, of where Rick's coming from. So, I've spent my whole life hearing Burt Reynolds tell stories on talk shows, so our time spent together was him telling Burt Reynolds stories, and me telling Burt Reynolds stories. And I was just trying to ask him everything I could. What did he think about Sergio Corbucci? What did he think about Raquel Welch? What did he think about Jim Brown? And so, we're doing this script reading and we have a break in the middle, and Burt was pretty fucked up in terms of his mobility: when he sits down in the chair, he's gonna be in the chair for a while. And so I'd get up, and walk around, he'd be at the end of the table, and I'd sort of get down on my haunches and start talking to him, and every time I'd see him, I'm thinking, "Who am I gonna bring up this time?" I'm gonna ask him about William Witney. And I gotta set this up a little bit. Now, he only worked with William Witney three times. Three episodes of "Riverboat" in the 50s – that's it. Now, I'm expecting him – I'm gonna bring this up and he's not going to remember. So, I ask him, "I wanna ask you a question about the show you did, Riverboat. And he says, "Oh boy." And I say, "Look you probably don't remember who he is, you only worked with him three times, but you worked with a director named William Witney. Do you remember him?" [Reynolds says,] "Of course I do." One of the perfect Burt Reynolds line reads. [I say,] "Oh. You do! Wow. Great. Well, I think he's terrific. I mean, I think he's one of the most under- rated action directors that there ever was, and especially westerns." [Burt says,] "I agree. You're very true. William Witney was under the belief that there was no scene that had ever been written that couldn't be improved by a fist fight. And that's kind of the way the guy would direct. You'd be standing there doing a scene, and he would be like, 'Cut. Cut. Cut. You guys are putting me to sleep. Here's what I want to happen. You say this, you say that, you say this, you say that, now you get mad at him and you punch him. And now you're mad at him, so you punch him back. And now we have a scene!" (Laughs) I can't guarantee, but I can practically guarantee that nobody has brought up William Witney's name to Burt in 55 years, and I bring it up. Not only does he remember the guy, he has perfect Burt Reynolds stories – ready to go, as if he'd been telling these anecdotes for years because they were funny. He has a perfect description, and they are all funny and they all have a punchline to them. Those are not ready-to-go-to stories. He just pulled it out of his head from 50 years ago. It was just a masterful moment. And it is like, "This is the most charming man who maybe ever lived." ...
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on October 23, 2019, 12:45:37 PM
'Once Upon a Time in...Hollywood' to Be Rereleased in Theaters With Extra Footage (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/once-a-time-hollywood-be-rereleased-theaters-extra-footage-1249541)

QuoteThe new print will be in theaters starting Friday.

Once Upon a Time in...Hollywood is headed back to theaters with new footage, Sony announced Wednesday.

The Quentin Tarantino film starring Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio will feature more than 10 minutes of four additional scenes, according to Sony. The film already ran 2 hours and 41 minutes.

The new print will be released to more than 1,000 venues in the U.S. and Canada starting Friday.
:roll:
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on October 23, 2019, 12:56:36 PM
Endgame did the same thing, almost.  :ponder:
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on October 23, 2019, 01:29:04 PM
And I just shrieked with excitement and scared my co-workers. Not a dork.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Sleepless on October 23, 2019, 03:38:23 PM
Safe to assume this "extended" version will be on the BR when it comes out on a couple weeks?

If anyone does see in theaters, though, curious whether it enhances what was already there, or if he's just putting stuff back in because he can. It was pretty close to perfect as was.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on October 23, 2019, 05:01:39 PM
Seeing it Friday night. Expect a full report.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on October 26, 2019, 09:37:41 AM
Extended cut is not really worth springing for.

Spoiler: ShowHide
two ads pre-opening credits for Red Apple cigs and Chattanooga beer, post-end credits a deleted scene from Lancer with Luke Perry, and a longer version of Michael Madsen's cameo in Bounty Law. The film itself was exactly the same. My friend tells me this was all included in his first screening at the New Bev.


Theater I saw it in sucked too. Dim projection, low sound. Eh. I've officially seen it too many times.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on October 26, 2019, 11:04:32 AM
Thanks for taking one for the team.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Sleepless on October 28, 2019, 08:16:21 AM
Thanks for the scoop, eward
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on October 28, 2019, 11:07:30 PM
'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' Blu-ray Releasing in December With Special Collector's Edition (https://www.slashfilm.com/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-blu-ray/)

QuoteThe latest film from Quentin Tarantino will hit digital in November and Blu-ray in December, and the latter comes in a special 4K collector's edition loaded with a vintage poster, a vinyl record, and more. Get the full details on the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood Blu-ray below, along with a clip of a deleted scene.

QuoteThe Quentin Tarantino film starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pitt, and Margot Robbie hits Digital on November 25, and 4K Ultra HD, Blu-ray & DVD on December 10.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on October 28, 2019, 11:26:12 PM
Quote from: wilberfan on October 28, 2019, 11:07:30 PM
'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' Blu-ray Releasing in December With Special Collector's Edition (https://www.slashfilm.com/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-blu-ray/)

QuoteThe latest film from Quentin Tarantino will hit digital in November and Blu-ray in December, and the latter comes in a special 4K collector's edition loaded with a vintage poster, a vinyl record, and more. Get the full details on the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood Blu-ray below, along with a clip of a deleted scene.

QuoteThe Quentin Tarantino film starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pitt, and Margot Robbie hits Digital on November 25, and 4K Ultra HD, Blu-ray & DVD on December 10.

deep down, you kind of love it.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on October 28, 2019, 11:53:48 PM
Quote from: eward on October 28, 2019, 11:26:12 PM

deep down, you kind of love it.

Deep down, I love the movie I wanted it to be after those three thrilling days on the Hollywood Blvd set last year.

I realize now that probably doomed the film for me.   It could never be as good as I wanted it to be--as I was convinced it could be. 
Or...maybe if Sally was still with us...
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on October 31, 2019, 12:31:15 AM
You Can Watch Quentin Tarantino, Leonardo DiCaprio, and Brad Pitt Talk 'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' Live in Theaters This Weekend

Quote
...Tarantino and stars Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt are getting together again for your viewing pleasure. The three will take part in a moderated panel discussion to discuss the making of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, and that discussion is set to be live-streamed exclusively in theaters across the country on Saturday.

Want to get the inside scoop on the making of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood? This weekend you'll have your chance. On November 2 at 3:30 p.m. Eastern time and 12:30 p.m. Pacific time, a screening of the film will be held in theaters across the country. After the screening, moviegoers will be able to watch a live-stream of Quentin Tarantino, Brad Pitt, and Leonardo DiCaprio taking part in a moderated Q&A about the film. The event will be live-streamed from Tarantino's own New Beverly, and the Tarantino, DiCaprio, and Pitt are expected to discuss "the production, their reasons for wanting to make the film, and the challenges and triumphs of bringing 1969-era Hollywood to glorious life on the screen.

The event will be free for all moviegoers but will require tickets.  Tickets will be distributed only at the theaters showing the event on a first-come, first-served basis.  Moviegoers interested in attending the event should arrive early as tickets will be limited.  The event will be exclusive to theaters and will not be streamed online.

List of theaters (https://www.slashfilm.com/the-making-of-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood/)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on November 27, 2019, 12:33:50 AM
It's my sacred duty to report a third viewing.  (Hope springs eternal.) 

Alas.

Even the half hour of extra material is boring. 

Spoiler: ShowHide
There's an extended scene with Charlie that had me shaking my head.  An improvised (?) scene between Rick and Wanamaker that just lays there and goes on forever.
 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on November 27, 2019, 12:53:31 AM
you not liking it bothers you way more than us, is funny
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on November 27, 2019, 01:13:18 AM
Well, then, something positive has come from my combined 8 hour investment in watching this film.  :wink:
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on November 27, 2019, 02:35:45 AM
shit, you've been through so much in regard to trying to like this movie. i'm feeling devastated for you. hey i know it can't give you back those 8 hours of suffering but i know it'll help: rewatch Peanut Butter Falcon
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on November 27, 2019, 06:13:13 AM
#prayforwilberfan
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on November 27, 2019, 09:10:24 AM
Downloaded this the other night, was only gonna watch the first fifteen minutes, ended up watching the whole thing. Impossible to turn off. Wilberfan, you've done your best, but you and this film are just oil and water apparently. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Something Spanish on November 27, 2019, 10:21:40 AM
#releasethewilberfancut
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on November 27, 2019, 11:47:11 AM
I've been wondering why I put myself thru that again--and I remembered I wanted to see if it played any better with the advertised "20 add'l minutes".  The version I saw was the exact running time of the original, so forked again. 

As long as we're on the subject (unless it belongs elsewhere), have any of you ever tried this hard to like a film?  What was the film?

On the plus side, with the digital release, I now get to savor this shot of me hiding during a take.

(https://i.imgur.com/EFnfPhL.jpg)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on November 27, 2019, 11:56:41 AM
had you read eward's description of the additional material? it's familiar for people who have seen it at new bev, and disconnected to the narrative as you now know

i have never tried to like a movie. i have rewatched movies hoping to discover another perspective. i think it's three times i've watched Looper, which movie i consider a load of horseshit each time
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on November 27, 2019, 11:59:42 AM
Quote from: wilberfan on November 27, 2019, 11:47:11 AM
As long as we're on the subject (unless it belongs elsewhere), have any of you ever tried this hard to like a film?  What was the film?

Frailty (2001), which I've watched twice after I fell asleep the first time. Still don't remember, like, any of it. But my father and some horrorheads I know dig it, and it's nearly southern-gothic so... I already intend on trying again...
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on November 27, 2019, 12:35:50 PM
I watched that for the first time not too long ago I think after Bill Paxton died because I'd heard for years how good it was and I must say...no sir, I didn't like it.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alexandro on November 27, 2019, 05:16:18 PM
I gave this two shots (so far). The first time I was truly underwhelmed for reasons other have exposed here before me. Mainly, I felt the film dragged and never really took off. Scenes were good by themselves, some of them great, but the energy kept escaping because everything was taking forever. DiCaprio en Pitt are terrific, the film has some great sequences, a lot to chew on, but I was impatient during most of it.

Still, I went back a week later, this time to an IMAX screening, and sure enough, I quickly realized that on that first showing I had been scammed. There was NO VOLUME at my first screening. At least the speakers weren't properly calibrated. Weird that I didn't notice, as I tend to be that asshole who gets up 20 seconds into the movie to tell an employee to crank the volume up. But  this time, I guess it was loud enough but not correctly so. With the IMAX, I could feel the movie I was really supposed to see all along, and everything was way better.  But still...

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 ... around the first sequence of DiCaprio acting within the tv show things started to drag again. I don't understand why that sequence takes so long. I mean the fictional scene, before he forgets his lines. It just goes on and on for no good reason.


I'll give it a third go soon, and hopefully I will see the perfect masterpiece everyone else is, although I've had the same feeling of unnecessary dragging on from Tarantino's films ever since Django Unchained.

Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on November 27, 2019, 06:37:51 PM
i really think one way to do it is just not like it. just feel exactly that way about it and maybe wait a couple years, which by then one might react either better the same or worse who gives a shit the whole fun is the gamble and i think when it's fresh in your mind it's harder to gamble on
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on November 28, 2019, 05:02:20 PM
The End of The Trail: ShowHide
Quote"So these last four Italian flicks, after 9 years together, would be Rick & Cliff's final rodeo. Cliff, doesn't have a clue what he's going to do. The only thing the two men know of for sure: Tonight Rick & Cliff will have a good old fashion drunk. Both men know once the plane touches down in El Segundo, it'll be the end of an era for both 'em. When you come to the end of an era with a buddy who's more than a brother and a little less than a wife, getting blind drunk together is really the only way to say farewell."

(https://i.imgur.com/eYp9zg8.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ef6WJcJ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/EjQX2AY.png)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on November 28, 2019, 07:26:38 PM
I'll put this here, because I've watched it three times, that's why.

 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drill on December 01, 2019, 06:51:26 PM
I rewatched it and I still don't think it's any good. It's just not a very good script. I don't think it's worth grappling with so much.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jviness02 on January 06, 2020, 12:46:18 AM
Quote from: Alexandro on November 27, 2019, 05:16:18 PM
I gave this two shots (so far). The first time I was truly underwhelmed for reasons other have exposed here before me. Mainly, I felt the film dragged and never really took off. Scenes were good by themselves, some of them great, but the energy kept escaping because everything was taking forever. DiCaprio en Pitt are terrific, the film has some great sequences, a lot to chew on, but I was impatient during most of it.

Still, I went back a week later, this time to an IMAX screening, and sure enough, I quickly realized that on that first showing I had been scammed. There was NO VOLUME at my first screening. At least the speakers weren't properly calibrated. Weird that I didn't notice, as I tend to be that asshole who gets up 20 seconds into the movie to tell an employee to crank the volume up. But  this time, I guess it was loud enough but not correctly so. With the IMAX, I could feel the movie I was really supposed to see all along, and everything was way better.  But still...

Spoiler: ShowHide
 ... around the first sequence of DiCaprio acting within the tv show things started to drag again. I don't understand why that sequence takes so long. I mean the fictional scene, before he forgets his lines. It just goes on and on for no good reason.


I'll give it a third go soon, and hopefully I will see the perfect masterpiece everyone else is, although I've had the same feeling of unnecessary dragging on from Tarantino's films ever since Django Unchained.

I LOVE this film, but I agree with you that the Lancer scene plays out WAY TOO LONG before he forgets his lines. It's really the only problem I have with the whole picture.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on January 06, 2020, 01:31:20 PM
As part of the ongoing Awards Flogging Season, Marc Maron is in session with Brad & Leo in the episode that dropped today.

https://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episode-1086-brad-pitt-amp-leonardo-dicaprio (https://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episode-1086-brad-pitt-amp-leonardo-dicaprio)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on January 07, 2020, 11:25:30 PM
Four-Hour 'Once Upon A Time In Hollywood' Extended Cut Might Be Available Next Year

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is already a long movie, but it's about to get even longer. Quentin Tarantino shot a lot of footage for his latest film, and there's a chance we might get to see it all in about a year. Rumors of an extended cut of Hollywood have abounded ever since the film premiered, including the potential for a Netflix miniseries release – something Tarantino did for an extended version of The Hateful Eight. During a recent Q&A, Tarantino confirmed that a longer cut does indeed exist, and it might be released.

Quentin Tarantino, Brad Pitt, and Leonardo DiCaprio recently got together again for an FYC screening of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, where Tarantino confirmed a Once Upon a Time in Hollywood extended cut could be headed our way very soon. "It's all good," Tarantino said of the additional footage (via Collider). "It's all great. I don't know if an audience would sit for it, but I love it. So we showed it to Tom Rothman and it was like, 'OK, here this all is. We know that this is a movie, but maybe you can help us out because we like everything."

At which point Pitt asked Tarantino if the general public would ever get to see all of this footage. "Hey look, it's all good so once this whole thing is said and done, maybe in a year's time, we probably will," Tarantino replied. Last year, Pitt hinted that Tarantino might be working on a Hollywood miniseries for Netflix – an approach Tarantino took for The Hateful Eight.

It's still not clear what approach Tarantino will take here, but it's obvious that there's plenty of unused footage left to see. The trailers for Once Upon a Time in Hollywood had several beats not in the film itself (I particularly remember a shot of Margot Robbie's Sharon Tate climbing out of a swimming pool), and Damon Herriman, who plays Charles Manson in one brief scene in the theatrical cut, says he definitely shot more Manson scenes that didn't end up in the movie.

I loved Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and would happily watch an even longer cut, be it a film or a miniseries. Whatever Tarantino wants to do with this thing, I'm in. Here's hoping this is something that's actually going to happen and not one of those things Tarantino just likes to talk about without actually going through with, like his now-dead R-rated Star Trek movie.

Source (https://www.slashfilm.com/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-extended-cut/)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on January 17, 2020, 06:18:38 PM
https://twitter.com/GlennWhipp/status/1218231207319592960
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on January 24, 2020, 01:51:44 AM
Model Shop is to this what City on Fire is to Reservoir Dogs, i mean the similarities are striking
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: ©brad on January 24, 2020, 09:05:40 PM
Tarantino is a guest on 3 episodes of Bill Simmons' "The Rewatchables" podcast (a movie podcast about rewatchable movies). The movies Quentin choose to discuss are Dunkirk, Unstoppable, and King of New York. I've only listened to Unstoppable so far but it's pretty great. Their discussion gave me a newfound appreciation of Tony Scott.   
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Neil on January 24, 2020, 09:57:16 PM
I thought all three eps were great, and I just rewatched Unstoppable this evening. I totally agree with ya about the newfound appreciation for Tony!
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on January 24, 2020, 09:57:42 PM
All three of those convo's are great! My favorite is King of New York, not least for QT's Larry Fishburne impression.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on January 28, 2020, 02:06:07 AM
I always find these self-serving, "my co-worker is so awesome", Oscar Vote Pandering videos to be pretty cringeworthy, but there's some cool behind the scenes footage in here that made it an interesting watch.


https://youtu.be/8AxkaueDxYM
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on February 06, 2020, 10:42:46 AM
This is today's Rewatchable

https://www.theringer.com/the-rewatchables (https://www.theringer.com/the-rewatchables)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on February 06, 2020, 12:22:55 PM
Do you think this has any chance at the Oscars beside original screenplay?

Brad Pitt for supporting role would be nice, but I have a feeling Tom Hanks will get it (or I'm completely wrong about that, Pitt has won it at the other awards)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on February 06, 2020, 12:52:14 PM
it has a best picture chance. that, parasite, 1917, and jojo. jojo doesn't have a best director nom so it's least likely

didn't realize tom was a supporting in that movie
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on February 06, 2020, 12:54:27 PM
Despite my disappointment with the film overall, I'd love to see Brad get best supporting for this.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Sleepless on February 06, 2020, 12:56:13 PM
Everything I'm hearing suggests that Pitt has this in the bag, and unless there's a Marriage Story-shaped spoiler, the Original Screenplay award is Tarantino's. I'd love for him to win the Directing Oscar finally too - I really think this is his best directed movie - but that's unlikely (my money's on Bong). Honestly, I'd prefer that outcome be switched.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Fuzzy Dunlop on February 06, 2020, 01:07:58 PM
Quote from: Robyn on February 06, 2020, 12:22:55 PM
Do you think this has any chance at the Oscars beside original screenplay?

Brad Pitt for supporting role would be nice, but I have a feeling Tom Hanks will get it (or I'm completely wrong about that, Pitt has won it at the other awards)

Pitt is a presumed lock at this point. Screenplay could be a toss up between this and Parasite.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on February 06, 2020, 01:11:53 PM
I'd rather see him win Director this time round too, he already has two screenplay statues. I'll be shocked if Pitt loses.

Watch 1917 sweep.

It'd be hilarious if Joker got nothing.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on February 06, 2020, 01:57:29 PM
I like the movie. But the script is low on the list of things I'd congratulate.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on February 06, 2020, 01:58:39 PM
I'd like to be able to read the damn thing already.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on February 06, 2020, 02:05:22 PM
Haven't you read that DiCaprio forgetting his lines and freaking out in the trailer was his idea? The whole thing, basically. Or that Pitt and the acid came from...Pitt. From what I understand, a lot has been suggested to Tarantino, and he even acknowledged that his actors helped him shape the movie when he received the Golden Globe for Best Screenplay. We'll probably never read the original draft, I'm sure it's kind of weak.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on February 06, 2020, 02:13:23 PM
I didn't know that about the acid bit. And so what if it's kinda weak, it's just a script, I'm happy that he's starting to loosen the reigns a bit in that regard. Release it, Quentin! I mean PTA's leaked scripts are pretty rough, don't be shy.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on February 06, 2020, 02:16:52 PM
But Tarantino's aren't rough, usually. I don't know if it was by design. Anyway, that's radically different from The Hateful Eight, which could have been a play.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on February 06, 2020, 02:18:03 PM
there's background info in that script based on every other script of his. contextual info
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on February 06, 2020, 02:50:25 PM
Yes, that's what I'm most interested in.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drill on February 06, 2020, 04:52:30 PM
He doesn't deserve a screenplay Oscar for this, which, in Oscar logic, means he probably will win.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on February 07, 2020, 12:01:22 AM
Quote from: wilberfan on November 27, 2019, 12:33:50 AM

Even the half hour of extra material is boring. 

Spoiler: ShowHide
There's an extended scene with Charlie that had me shaking my head.  An improvised (?) scene between Rick and Wanamaker that just lays there and goes on forever.


Finally got to watch these and I really like both -- the film's so laid back that even its one (excised) tense Charlie Manson scene features a protective pet. Rick and Wanamaker's scene reminds me of Fred Raskin'z mention that they were aiming for GREETINGS era De Palma with the film's smash cuts - "hippie girl, acid cigarette" - so you can imagine that they'd roll and roll within Lancer's set day and grab what gels.

I wonder if both or only one of these scenez went to Cannes. 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on February 07, 2020, 03:37:14 PM
Well. I, uh...  Hmm.  Anyone wanna take this one?

Why Does 'Once Upon a Time ... in Hollywood' Feature So Many Real-Life Pedophiles?
Quentin Tarantino's film is filled with sexual abusers — including my great uncle, James Stacy — and parades young female flesh for our consumption

QuoteDuring his opening monologue at the Golden Globes last month, Ricky Gervais announced, "It was a big year for pedophile movies — 'Surviving R. Kelly.' 'Leaving Neverland.' (pause) 'The Two Popes.'" The audience erupted in laughter but I felt sick to my stomach. What about "Once Upon a Time ... in Hollywood," a film that went on to win three of the top awards that night, including Best Motion Picture – Musical or Comedy?

Quentin Tarantino's new movie includes Timothy Olyphant in a supporting role as James Stacy, an actor on the real-life Western TV show "Lancer" (starring Leonardo DiCaprio's fictional Rick Dalton in the film) who was a serial pedophile. Stacy, who is my great uncle, in 1995 pleaded no contest to molesting an 11-year-old girl and served six years in prison. Although he had a charming role in Tarantino's latest film, Stacy has long been the villain in my family's "Once Upon a Time."

QuoteStacy is just one of at least three real-life men in the film known to have sexually abused young women and children, including Roman Polanski and Charles Manson. The film never mentions any of these men within the context of their historical crimes or calls alarm to sexual desire of minors. Quite the opposite: We are primed to accept and replicate their behavior.

Source (https://www.thewrap.com/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-feature-pedophiles-tarantino-james-tracy/)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on February 07, 2020, 08:19:59 PM
Quote from: eward on February 06, 2020, 10:42:46 AM
This is today's Rewatchable

https://www.theringer.com/the-rewatchables (https://www.theringer.com/the-rewatchables)


I LOVED this episode.  It highlighted everything that worked in the film for me (a lot of individual moments that are really wonderful), without having to sit thru all the stuff that didn't (some of which are just awful).   What a treat. 
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on February 07, 2020, 08:30:41 PM
Lol I adore your relationship with this film.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on February 07, 2020, 08:35:05 PM
And I get to enjoy you enjoying my relationship with this film.  It's what's going to get me thru this Awards Season.  Maybe I could talk a few of you into joining me for a couple of therapy sessions?
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on February 07, 2020, 08:59:31 PM
I'd be down.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on February 07, 2020, 09:18:45 PM
Only if we join the therapy session 1917 style, in one long tracking shot including a lot of running.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alexandro on February 08, 2020, 11:04:10 AM
Quote from: Alexandro on November 27, 2019, 05:16:18 PM
I gave this two shots (so far). The first time I was truly underwhelmed for reasons other have exposed here before me. Mainly, I felt the film dragged and never really took off. Scenes were good by themselves, some of them great, but the energy kept escaping because everything was taking forever. DiCaprio en Pitt are terrific, the film has some great sequences, a lot to chew on, but I was impatient during most of it.

Still, I went back a week later, this time to an IMAX screening, and sure enough, I quickly realized that on that first showing I had been scammed. There was NO VOLUME at my first screening. At least the speakers weren't properly calibrated. Weird that I didn't notice, as I tend to be that asshole who gets up 20 seconds into the movie to tell an employee to crank the volume up. But  this time, I guess it was loud enough but not correctly so. With the IMAX, I could feel the movie I was really supposed to see all along, and everything was way better.  But still...

Spoiler: ShowHide
 ... around the first sequence of DiCaprio acting within the tv show things started to drag again. I don't understand why that sequence takes so long. I mean the fictional scene, before he forgets his lines. It just goes on and on for no good reason.


I'll give it a third go soon, and hopefully I will see the perfect masterpiece everyone else is, although I've had the same feeling of unnecessary dragging on from Tarantino's films ever since Django Unchained.

My third go actually turned out perfect. Loved it completely. Sometimes it takes a while.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: putneyswipe on February 08, 2020, 10:04:57 PM
I didn't understand the purpose of the Lancer shoot scene as well on first view but now (having seen it three times in theatres) that strikes me as the most emotionally genuine part of the movie.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Reel on February 18, 2020, 08:33:37 PM
Was I mistaken or is Rose Mcgowan in the party scene smoking a joint with Steve Mcqueen? If so, she's uncredited.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on February 19, 2020, 11:10:20 AM
Quote from: Reelist on February 18, 2020, 08:33:37 PM
Was I mistaken or is Rose Mcgowan in the party scene smoking a joint with Steve Mcqueen? If so, she’s uncredited.

You're mistaken. That's Dreama Walker (Compliance, Don't Trust the B**** in Apt 23) as Connie Stevens.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on February 25, 2020, 03:53:54 PM
Random but...anyone else find it curious that they depict the shooting of the Lancer pilot as taking place on a Sunday? Surely this can't be an oversight.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Sleepless on February 28, 2020, 09:34:00 AM
Quote from: eward on February 25, 2020, 03:53:54 PM
Random but...anyone else find it curious that they depict the shooting of the Lancer pilot as taking place on a Sunday? Surely this can't be an oversight.

You'll be delighted to know this has dominated my driving/shower thoughts since I read it. My guess is because Sunday is the night FBI aired? That's a big point of conversation at Spahn Ranch, and then Rick and Cliff watch an episode together that night. Right? Or am I getting bits of the film mixed up?
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jviness02 on March 16, 2020, 11:23:58 AM
Quote from: Sleepless on February 28, 2020, 09:34:00 AM
Quote from: eward on February 25, 2020, 03:53:54 PM
Random but...anyone else find it curious that they depict the shooting of the Lancer pilot as taking place on a Sunday? Surely this can't be an oversight.

You'll be delighted to know this has dominated my driving/shower thoughts since I read it. My guess is because Sunday is the night FBI aired? That's a big point of conversation at Spahn Ranch, and then Rick and Cliff watch an episode together that night. Right? Or am I getting bits of the film mixed up?

That's definitely why it's being shot on a Sunday in the film's universe, but would it actually have been shot on a Sunday in real life? I am not sure how production practices were back then, but I have been on productions on Sundays. It's rare, but not unheard of.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 28, 2020, 07:32:38 PM
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on July 28, 2020, 07:43:54 PM
<3

I've mentioned before that i was there the night before the close

https://www.twitter.com/newbeverly/status/1238208172898336773

focusing on Bitter Tea bc i do not recommend the other

https://www.twitter.com/newbeverly/status/1237936440895471616
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on September 04, 2020, 12:24:36 AM
Not sure this will help.

The Beatles (The White Album) - Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (Full Movie Sync)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: pynchonikon on September 13, 2020, 01:04:47 AM
Got the opportunity to rewatch it last night, still one of my favorite three-star movies, a flawed but affecting love letter to a bygone era. I remember this was my most anticipated 2019 release (up there with the Irishman) and that without reading anything about it before seeing it, I was about 95% sure he would repeat his change-history trick (his writing has become more and more predictable over the years after all). Despite of sort of expecting the ending, I still found it less exciting or inspiring than let's say Inglourious Basterds (which I think is probably his best next to Pulp Fiction), even if somehow it stays faithful to the universe built by the movie. Regular moviegoers had a hard time with the film, which is understood to some degree considering the particular historical setting most people don't seem to be aware of (I mean everyone knows about the Holocaust or the black slavery, but who really knows a shit nowadays about the Manson family -and the movie itself doesn't even try to introduce us the cult or its leader properly- or Sharon Tate except period aficionados and History students, which makes the ending even less semimal for them). Looking forward to the extended version of it, where I hope I will find the great movie I was truly searching for. For now, it's a nice light film to hang out with a bunch of enthusiasts on a Friday/Saturday evening, with lots of beer and a fine cigar (but not a joint, I always keep that for Inherent Vice).
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on September 13, 2020, 10:37:19 AM
If you've seen the deleted scenes, I'm not sure how much more "extended" a version you can expect. Also, I think you're being disingenuous with how much anyone knows their history, plenty of murder-mania these days in podcasts and true crime documentaries -- in this way QTz sense of environment and atmosphere in his four revisionist pictures serves its genre and meta-cinema-critique intentions more than they do plot.

When it ran at the New Beverly they were touting "extended" intros and additions, most of which were Bounty Law scenes or further included in the special features (Improv on the Bounty Law set, Green Door full song, Manson visits Danny Strong & his dog).
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: pynchonikon on September 13, 2020, 11:56:09 AM
Someone who spends time on informative podcasts or historical documentaries isn't my idea of a regular moviegoer  :yabbse-smiley:

I thought there's still plenty of unseen footage, at least that's what he himself implied when he was talking about whether or not it'll be released sometime in the future, but who knows.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on September 13, 2020, 11:59:19 AM
Quote from: pynchonikon on September 13, 2020, 11:56:09 AM
Someone who spends time on informative podcasts or historical documentaries isn't my idea of a regular moviegoer  :yabbse-smiley:

'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on September 13, 2020, 12:52:26 PM
i think regular moviegoers, whoever they may be, had a hard time because it isn't a regular movie, and because some of it drags sometimes
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on September 13, 2020, 02:48:01 PM
Hmmm my memory is that it was a pretty consistent crowd pleaser, and I'm not counting special nerd screenings, just packed auditoriums full of seemingly "regular moviegoers".

And yeah QT promised a 4 hour miniseries Netflix cut sometime in the future. Why he couldn't hunker down during quar with his baby in his lap and crank it out I know not. (Maybe he did?) :)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: jenkins on March 03, 2021, 12:55:26 PM
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood: A Novel (https://www.amazon.com/Once-Upon-Time-Hollywood-Novel/dp/0063112523)

(https://i.imgur.com/0IuputM.jpg)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on March 03, 2021, 01:43:05 PM
Pre-ordered a month ago  :yabbse-smiley:
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on April 02, 2021, 01:57:33 PM
Quote"There's a 20-hour cut of "Once Upon a Time in...Hollywood" that would...there's so much more that you didn't get to see, that we shot that was amazing, and for a million reasons obviously, can't make the cut."

Source (https://variety.com/2021/awards/awards/margot-robbie-emerald-fennell-josey-mcnamara-promising-young-woman-podcast-1234941060/)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Drenk on April 02, 2021, 02:25:58 PM
Quote from: wilberfan on April 02, 2021, 01:57:33 PM
Quote"There's a 20-hour cut of "Once Upon a Time in...Hollywood" that would...there's so much more that you didn't get to see, that we shot that was amazing, and for a million reasons obviously, can't make the cut."

Source (https://variety.com/2021/awards/awards/margot-robbie-emerald-fennell-josey-mcnamara-promising-young-woman-podcast-1234941060/)

1) Hyperbole
2) Will you buy a ticket for the twenty hours screening at The New Beverly?  :yabbse-grin:
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on April 02, 2021, 03:06:46 PM
Their all-nighters sell so quickly o_o
One day I hope to make it to The New Bev's HALLOWEEN ALL NIGHTER.
Once Upon a Time in HWood 20hr cut though, I'd watch that at home... over the course of four days.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on April 02, 2021, 03:11:28 PM
Quote from: WorldForgot on April 02, 2021, 03:06:46 PM
Their all-nighters sell so quickly o_o
Once Upon a Time in HWood 20hr cut though, I'd watch that at home... over the course of four days.

Make it over 10 days and I'll join you.  With a signed bailout clause in my contract.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alma on April 02, 2021, 04:44:48 PM
Oh wow I thought that was an April Fool when I saw the headline yesterday. I would totally watch a 20 hour version of OUATIH.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on April 02, 2021, 05:21:53 PM
Give it to me.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alma on May 25, 2021, 07:59:10 AM
https://twitter.com/TheFilmStage/status/1394291866670190595
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on June 21, 2021, 11:41:02 AM
https://twitter.com/HarperPerennial/status/1407007012114808832
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on June 26, 2021, 10:47:26 PM
https://youtu.be/6D79c4RKXyo
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on June 27, 2021, 11:30:32 PM
He's a qt
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: WorldForgot on June 29, 2021, 03:09:17 PM
https://twitter.com/brianna_ashby/status/1409951249676525571/photo/1
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on June 30, 2021, 11:06:00 PM
Quentin Tarantino Has Written a 'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' Stage Play, (https://www.slashfilm.com/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-stage-play/)

I think I speak for myself when I say, "That's enough, Quentin.  Please stop."
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: PinkTeeth on June 30, 2021, 11:52:35 PM
Ida been stoked for a radio play
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Post by: Drenk on July 01, 2021, 03:15:47 AM
The last movie will be a remake of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Alethia on July 01, 2021, 12:08:04 PM
Quote from: wilberfan on June 30, 2021, 11:06:00 PM
Quentin Tarantino Has Written a 'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' Stage Play, (https://www.slashfilm.com/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-stage-play/)

I think I speak for myself when I say, "That's enough, Quentin.  Please stop."

Gimme more, gimme more.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on July 01, 2021, 01:39:40 PM
The Musical, The Streaming Service, The Pre-School...    :roll:
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on September 07, 2021, 12:43:36 PM
I finished "Chaos" and am now a little more than half way thru OUATIH, the book, and for those of you keeping score at home, I'm having all the same issues I had with the film (goddamnit).

Spoiler: ShowHide
I'm enjoying learning new details about Cliff (so much more interesting a character than Rick), but I just skipped over an entire chapter about--cattle rustling or something??  (Really, Quentin??)   Much of it feels just so nerdishly self-indulgent--paragraphs about casting choices and the history of a TV show....  (I did enjoy learning about Cliff's interest in foreign films, however.)

I just encountered Cliff's visit to Hot Waxx to buy an 8-track of Tom Jones--which made me smile as I got to visit the same establishment a few years ago.  (The book describes it as being at "Riverside & Forman"--which is exactly where this location was.  Maybe one day we'll see this footage.

Oh, and the Pussycat finger-banging invitation, too.


(https://i.ibb.co/PtLtWQp/hot-waxx.jpg)
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on September 07, 2021, 02:01:34 PM
You're just punishing yourself at this point.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: Robyn on September 07, 2021, 03:48:57 PM
I had a great time with the book, but I agree that the western chapters was a bit boring at times.
Title: Re: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Post by: wilberfan on January 18, 2022, 03:40:05 PM
Watch the scene from the Lancer pilot that inspired Tarantino's Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (https://boingboing.net/2022/01/18/watch-the-scene-from-the-lancer-pilot-that-inspired-tarantinos-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood.html)