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Title: Mystic River
Post by: MacGuffin on August 25, 2003, 04:47:15 PM
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Trailers:
 Hi-Res (http://media.warnerbros.com/wbmovies/mysticriver/trailer/trailer_hi/trailer_a.mov)
Med-Res (http://media.warnerbros.com/wbmovies/mysticriver/trailer/trailer_med/trailer_a.mov)
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Cast: Sean Penn (Jimmy Marcus), Kevin Bacon (Sean Devine), Tim Robbins (Dave Boyle), Laurence Fishburne, Marcia Gay Harden, Laura Linney, Emmy Rossum (Katie Marcus), Cayden Boyd (Michael), Kevin Chapman, Celine du Tertre, Jonathan Togo.

Director: Clint Eastwood

Screenwriter: Brian Helgeland (A Knight's Tale, Blood Work, Conspiracy Theory, Highway to Hell; next up are The Order and Mystic River)

Based Upon: The novel, "Mystic River", by Dennis Lehane.

Premise: Three childhood friends, Sean (Bacon), Dave (Robbins) and Jimmy (Penn) are reunited in Boston 25 years later when they become linked together in the murder investigation of Jimmy's oldest daughter, Katie (Rossum). Sean is a police detective investigating the case (Fishburne plays his partner), while Dave is a man with psychological problems caused when he was kidnapped and sexually abused in 1975 when he was a child, who is now a possible suspect in Katie's death. Jimmy, meanwhile, is a violent ex-con seeking to take justice and retribution into his own hands. (Linney plays Jimmy's wife and Katie's mother.)
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Post by: ***beady*** on August 25, 2003, 05:06:11 PM
Looks interesting, I don't know if I've seen any of Clint Eastwood's 'directed' films. Kevin Bacon in my view has become a better actor as times passed.
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Post by: MacGuffin on August 25, 2003, 05:08:10 PM
Quote from: ***beady***I don't know if I've seen any of Clint Eastwood's 'directed' films.

Start with "Unforgiven".
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Post by: ***beady*** on August 25, 2003, 05:10:26 PM
Ok, I shall. Thanx.... :yabbse-smiley:
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Post by: Find Your Magali on August 25, 2003, 06:23:53 PM
Really looking forward to this. ... In a way, you could argue that it's Tim Robbins' first true meaty dramatic role since all the way back to "The Shawshank Redemption"

He's done some comedies (IQ, Nothing to Lose) and an action flick (Mission to Mars), and a potboiler that I didn't consider a dramatic stretch (Arlington Road).

I must admit I haven't seen "Human Nature."

So, again, I'd argue that this is the first real chance for Robbins to stretch his dramatic chops since Shawshank, and, with Eastwood directing, I'm definitely excited.
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Post by: picolas on August 25, 2003, 06:48:10 PM
teehee.."Hey Divine.. W'tchlkinat?"

count me as a Sean Penn Tim Robbins nut.

it's lookin' good so far.
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Post by: Banky on August 25, 2003, 07:46:17 PM
Ohhhhh Shawshank

Remember when movies were that good?
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Post by: modage on August 25, 2003, 08:01:30 PM
isnt this clint eastwoods first movie as a director that he hasnt starred/had a role in?  i wonder why.
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Post by: MacGuffin on August 25, 2003, 08:16:44 PM
Quote from: themodernage02isnt this clint eastwoods first movie as a director that he hasnt starred/had a role in?  i wonder why.

He didn't star/have a role in "Bird" or "Midnight In The Garden Of Good And Evil".
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Post by: Find Your Magali on August 25, 2003, 08:53:04 PM
Banky wrote:

QuoteOhhhhh Shawshank

Remember when movies were that good?


Yeah, 1994 was a fairly effective year for movies: Shawshank, Pulp Fiction, Forrest Gump, Ed Wood, Hoop Dreams.....to name a very few.
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on August 25, 2003, 10:50:28 PM
..sweet poster.This looks good IMO..Good cast....and an added incentive ..a cool tagline.
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Post by: Pedro on August 25, 2003, 11:25:28 PM
I'm thinkin' ill be seeing this at the autstin film fest this year if possible...

rock and roll
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Post by: jasper_window on August 26, 2003, 08:35:48 AM
Mystic River is also an excellent book, if anyone's interested.  Shutter Island, written by the same author, is also a tremendous book, and with any luck will be made into a film as well.  Actually Fincher would be a perrfect fit to direct.
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Post by: aclockworkjj on September 22, 2003, 03:34:16 PM
Cool Featurette on Quicktime.

Hi-Res (http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/mystic_river/makingof/large.html)
Med-Res (http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/mystic_river/makingof/medium.html)
Lo-Res (http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/mystic_river/makingof/small.html)
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Post by: moonshiner on September 23, 2003, 09:52:10 PM
recalls the subject matter prevalent in A Perfect World.....this should be really good

somebody say something sarcastic about Clint Eastwood, i dare ya  :2gunfire:
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Post by: Ernie on September 30, 2003, 10:11:36 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: ***beady***I don't know if I've seen any of Clint Eastwood's 'directed' films.

Start with "Unforgiven".

Don't you dare overlook A Perfect World though, I've always thought it was better than Unforgiven myself. And I like Unforgiven. I can't usually stand Kevin Costner either so take my word for it. This and JFK are the only two times he's been truly good and not just jerking off.

Can't wait for this one. I'll admit that I was planning on waiting for DVD until I saw the cast awhile ago and then trailer (wow!) at Matchstick Men...now I'll be there opening night. Sean Penn needs a comeback after I Am Sam. Tim Robbins is just always so comforting to watch in whatever he's in, I can't really explain it...it's just his presence I guess. It's resonating from Shawshank. Even in Short Cuts, which he was a bastard in...I loved him all the same. The Player rocks too. Tapeheads is a forgotten (or maybe never known) gem. He absolutely made High Fidelity a better movie with a role as small as he had alone. He's a great great great actor.
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on September 30, 2003, 11:29:23 PM
yeah this film is really starting to grow a big buzz on me ....

so its:
1.0 21 grams
2.0  return of the king
3.0  mystic river
4.0  gothika
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Post by: modage on September 30, 2003, 11:31:10 PM
kill bill?
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on September 30, 2003, 11:36:20 PM
Quote from: themodernage02kill bill?

...ohh yeah and that one also......
:oops:
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Post by: SHAFTR on October 01, 2003, 12:57:41 AM
I blindly bought Unforgiven a few weeks ago and watched it for the first time, blew my mind.  Perfect World left a huge impression on me when I saw it when it came out (I had to be like 10-11).  I haven't seen Perfect World since than but I have been meaning too.

I'm very excited for this film.

Eastwood as auteur, yes or no???
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Post by: MacGuffin on October 01, 2003, 01:16:22 AM
Eastwood runs the best sets. There is no yelling, no calls for 'Quiet!', etc. It's very serene. When he calls for 'Action', he simply says, "Go." That's it. "Cut" is "That's was fine." He generally just does one take and moves on. Eats with the crew at the tables, not in his trailer. And there are no long hours either. He's worked with the same people for so long that it's all second nature for the crew.
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Post by: picolas on October 01, 2003, 01:43:31 AM
when'd you work with him, Mac?
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 01, 2003, 09:24:52 AM
But... Marcia Gay Harden? ...  :yabbse-thumbdown:
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Post by: Fernando on October 03, 2003, 05:35:15 PM
Clint Eastwood will be this sunday (october 5th) in the Bravo show 'Inside the Actors Studio'.
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Post by: Holden Pike on October 05, 2003, 04:57:28 AM
Saw Mystic River on Friday, opening night of the New York Film Festival. I'm a huge, unabashed Clint fan, and while this is a good, earnest effort, it doesn't belong among the ranks of his very best works (Unforgiven, A Perfect World, Bird). Certainly not a dud either, but not the masterpiece many of the critics seem to be excited about for some reason.

Without getting into spoilers, I think the material just doesn't quite gel with Eastwood's style and strengths as a filmmaker. The themes are definitely Eastwoodian, but the script tries to be a little too Operatic at times, too melodramatic in nature, and too much of the dialogue is obviously literary, I'd guess either transferred from interior monolgue to spoken dialogue in script stage, or simply the kind of language that works in a novel but not on film (I haven't read Lehane's book yet). There were too many scenes where you could sense Clint as an actor would have cut bunches of lines, gone to a more minimalstic, realistic style.

But not to say that the movie isn't good or there aren't moments that work very well. The movie it's probably most similar to is Barry Levinson's Sleepers, which I think worked much less than Mystic River. The opening set-up of the movie feels a bit rushed, and the kid who plays the Sean Penn character as a boy is a pretty lously little "kid" actor, distractingly so for me - which is odd since Clint has gotten such wonderful, natural performances from tykes before, from his own kids in Honkytonk Man, True Crime and Tightrope, to most especially the knock-out work by T.J. Lowther in A Perfect World. Also the CODA is totally unnecessary. The film has a natural ending that would have been pretty powerful (two of the characters alone in the street), but then adds on a whole five minutes or so that simply don't need to be there (especially Laura Linney's Lady MacBeth speech out of nowhere).

Penn and Robbins are strong as usual (the scene of them together on the porch fairly early on is good, subtle stuff between two very good actors), Marcia Gay Harden does the best emoting in a difficult lynchpin role, but it's Kevin Bacon who really does the best work overall. Larry Fishburn too, who is with Bacon in many scenes, providing most of the comic relief.

I'll add specifics of what I did and didn't like after more of you get a chance to see it starting next week, and while I'd surely recommend it, I'd also warn not to go in with expectations of a masterpiece. It is a good movie, but not a great one.


Grade: B


BTW, Clint, novelist Dennis Lehane, screenwriter Brian Helgeland and actors Laura Linney, Marcia Gay Harden, Robbins and Penn were at the premiere. This was Clint's first NYFFestival entry since the still underrated Bird back in 1988 (how did that not win a bag full of Oscars? Read William Goldman's book to find out why it didn't do even better than it did at Cannes). Eastwood spoke a bit before the movie and introduced everyone as they came on stage, and they all appreciatingly accepted the ovation afterward.
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Post by: modage on October 08, 2003, 08:55:47 PM
i saw this one tonite, and i pretty much agree with holdens review.  dont expect it to blow minds, but go see it.
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Post by: TheVoiceOfNick on October 10, 2003, 01:39:26 PM
This movie is better than Mystic Pizza...
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Post by: Finn on October 15, 2003, 10:01:05 PM
Just got back from it, great movie! very strong performances, many powerful moments, easily one of Eastwood's best. Maybe the only down-side is that the movie is a little too slow, but we're gripped from start to finish.
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Post by: godardian on October 15, 2003, 10:10:21 PM
I'm glad to see a few muted reactions here; they're similar to mine.  A capsule review I wrote:

"This Clint Eastwood-directed murder mystery is more somber and intense than most- it's a whodunit with the shattering personal dimensions left in. Eastwood does well by the actors, including Tim Robbins, Kevin Bacon, Laurence Fishburn, Laura Linney, and Marcia Gay Harden (Sean Penn is a little too Method for this film; his "thing" works better in the upcoming 21 Grams).  If Mystic River is not quite the powerhouse many critics are promising, it's still a fine example of solid, confident storytelling."
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Post by: Ghostboy on October 16, 2003, 01:26:53 AM
I really liked it a lot. It succeeded largely where I thought In The Bedroom Failed, in that the actions of the characters were earned by the development given to them in the script. They felt like real people, and the choices they made felt true to me. I loved every performance -- not a false note, I thought, except for a fully coincidental moments towards the very end (the phone call from Bacon's wife was a little too timely). I'll single out Marcia Gay Harden, since no one else is. Also, the turn Laura Linney takes in her one big scene was chilling --  I totally forgot that it was her in the role.
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Post by: cine on October 16, 2003, 01:34:36 AM
Seeing this on sunday before a Copperfield show. I'm looking forward to it, and I hope its a big oscar contender with all this Valenti shit going on with the indie films. Eastwood's movie would calm me down if it was nominated for a lot of awards.
I hate Jack Valenti...
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on October 19, 2003, 09:36:36 PM
..damn how does this have only three pages and texas chainsaw REMAKE! have 7?.....

but i saw this and penn kicks ass his best film..(in terms of acting) to date ...





SPOILER:(highlight text)
:arrow: the scene where the cops are holding back penn  from seeing his daughter is incredible....
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Post by: Cecil on October 19, 2003, 10:05:58 PM
i thought it sucked
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on October 19, 2003, 10:27:01 PM
Quote from: Cecili thought it sucked




..Y?
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Post by: Cecil on October 19, 2003, 10:30:30 PM
rubbish. hated most of the acting.
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on October 19, 2003, 10:36:36 PM
::sticks a sunflower seed under his left eyelid::

..i see what you mean.it  did drag in some parts.

IMO i thought the story  (itself) was average..its the acting that carried a decent script...
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Post by: edison on October 19, 2003, 11:49:09 PM
This is one of my favorites of the year, I like how it took its time, didnt rush or anything. Penn really kicked ass in this, well pretty much everyone did. The whole climax part really had me going, i knew what was going to happen but i was hoping it wouldnt, very sad.
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Post by: Cecil on October 20, 2003, 12:26:25 AM
Quote from: EEz28I like how it took its time, didnt rush or anything

that i actually liked (admired)
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Post by: soixante on October 20, 2003, 04:30:56 AM
I get the feeling this film will grow on me.  I remember I wasn't blown away by Unforgiven the first time I saw it, but then I watched it on video 3 years after its release, and it really clicked for me.  Maybe Mystic River will do the same.  I liked all the acting, and I liked the understated direction, but the story became too much of a murder mystery and guessing game, and less character-driven than I expected.  A second viewing is probably in order.
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Post by: ShanghaiOrange on October 22, 2003, 09:59:56 PM
It was really food, but it should have ended 10 minutes earlier.
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Post by: Teen Wolf on October 23, 2003, 01:24:31 PM
Quote




Don't you mean good?
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Post by: RegularKarate on October 23, 2003, 01:26:13 PM
I saw this last weekend... I guess I didn't post anything... I forget why.

I liked it... didn't think it was fantastic, but it was still pretty damn good.  
I agree that some of the dialogue was really literary.  Which really only makes it old-fashioned.  Movies used to be like that more often.
****SPOILERS*****

Every says that it should have ended 10 minutes earlier and as far as the film goes on the surface, I agree (I especially didn't like the line "I feel like all of us got in that car"), but that last ten minutes made me feel like there was something else entirely going on in that film.  So much so that I'd like to see it again to find out if I can pick up on it some more.  

I don't know... maybe I'm crazy... or, quite possibly stupid, maybe eveyone else saw it too and I'm just dumb for not picking up on it sooner.
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Post by: coffeebeetle on October 27, 2003, 07:43:15 AM
I thought this movie was fantastic.  Solid performances from the whole cast, and a very solid story.  I felt like I knew these people...I could have kept watching it too.  I was particularly fond of the way Eastwood ended it (with Bacon covering up Penn's "indiscretion").

My only beef with Mystic was the Bacon love thread (the woman repeatedly calling him...part of me thinks I should see this film again in the hope that it may sink in and feel "right" in the story) but I suppose it was there to add depth to his character so he's not just some plot contrivance (i.e. cop on the case deal)...

I hope this film wins the Oscar.  I'm done rambling now.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 27, 2003, 09:53:54 AM
Quote from: GhostboyIt succeeded largely where I thought In The Bedroom Failed

I can't believe you said that. I think the exact opposite.

Quote from: Cecilhated most of the acting.

The accents slaughtered all of the performances except Sean Penn & Kevin Bacon.
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on October 27, 2003, 11:08:29 AM
..As far as the accents go..linney was th eoly one that was ..slightly annoying.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 27, 2003, 04:18:43 PM
Why does Brian Helgeland have a photo gallery?

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Post by: modage on October 27, 2003, 04:28:32 PM
do you really have to ask?

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because he is AMAZING
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Post by: pete on October 28, 2003, 11:29:04 PM
whoa it was really good.  felt a little bit like boston.  one of the darkest movies I've seen in a long while.  I think the last dark movie I've seen was like talented mr. ripley.
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Post by: MacGuffin on November 02, 2003, 10:04:45 PM
Powerful film. Penn completely captured the feeling of someone who has lost a loved one. When he was screaming "Is That My Daughter In There???!!!" and the cops were holding him back, I lost it. His performance just connected with me. Also goes for the scene with him at the mortuary and he lays the dress on the daughter's body. Pretty much everything else has been said already: nice pace, great acting from all and I too am with the consensus on the ending.
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Post by: Pozer on November 08, 2003, 04:51:44 PM
Quote from: MacGuffinPowerful film. Penn completely captured the feeling of someone who has lost a loved one. When he was screaming "Is That My Daughter In There???!!!" and the cops were holding him back, I lost it.

Me too. That was so great....

**WHINY SPOILER WORD**
....but I had some problems with this film. Such as Kevin Bacon's phone/wife scenes. I don't really know why they bugged me, I guess because they seemed too bland. And I really didn't like when she calls him right after the moment with him knowing that Penn killed Robbins. It seemed so thrown in or something, and he smiles and says "come on over" erasing the thought right away that one of his childhood friends has been murdered by another friend.
I guess that was his character though.

Wow, Stephen King says this movie is a classic. I thought it was good, but clouded with flaws.
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Post by: Pedro on November 16, 2003, 03:17:44 PM
part of the ending bothered me...seemed like there were about 4 places to end it... but i think:

:!:it would have been just fine to have ended it with penn walking away in the street... :!:
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Post by: MacGuffin on November 16, 2003, 03:40:49 PM
Quote from: Pedro el Fascolomispart of the ending bothered me...seemed like there were about 4 places to end it... but i think:

:!:it would have been just fine to have ended it with penn walking away in the street... :!:

I would have ended it right after the flashback of the car pulling away, and the reverse on the adult actors...FADE OUT.
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Post by: Pedro on November 16, 2003, 04:21:52 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: Pedro el Fascolomispart of the ending bothered me...seemed like there were about 4 places to end it... but i think:

:!:it would have been just fine to have ended it with penn walking away in the street... :!:

I would have ended it right after the flashback of the car pulling away, and the reverse on the adult actors...FADE OUT.

mmm...delicious as well

or maybe penn walking in the street and then a fade onto that shot of the river at the end...i love dem aerials
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Post by: Pozer on November 16, 2003, 04:28:05 PM
YEAH
Should have ended it with the RIVER teaser trailer with Eastwood's voice over.
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Post by: Pedro on November 16, 2003, 06:10:18 PM
Quote from: The Real PoserYEAH
Should have ended it with the RIVER teaser trailer with Eastwood's voice over.
tremendous
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on November 16, 2003, 07:44:05 PM
*******************POSSIBLE SPOILERS WARNING PHUCK OFF*** :wink:

........ i liked the way it ended..(although i agree w/MaCG about his alt. ending)..
but w/ the way it does in it poses more dread and dispair .....th eonly hope is possbly for bacon's character..meeting up w/ his ex....but I though it hit even deeper when at the fair thing it shoes marcia's character wondering around(all is lost kind of vibe)......and the "sileny" exchange between penn and bacon sealed it......leaves you hanging isn an appropreate way.....
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Post by: SHAFTR on November 27, 2003, 01:09:17 PM
I FINALLY saw this film and was a fan, but not as big of a fan as I thought I would be.  The acting and direction was top notch.  My only problems were with the script, perhaps I would know more had I read the novel.  I agree with the ending, it didn't sit well with me.  On the street, it should end there.  I cringed from that point onward.  There are a few 'hammy' parts but I can forgive that.  Had the film ended on the street, it would probably be a solid A- film.  With the current ending, I would give it a B.  Again, performances and direction were top notch.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 30, 2003, 05:11:11 PM
*spoilers, i guess*
The acting was excellent, yes, but the story was so genre it hurt. The first half was detailed banality of "clue by clue" to finding the killer. Of course, as all bad crime novels go, the obvious suspect wasn't the actual killer. It was a killer that made sense only after some explaining and that line of logic still very slim. Bacon's character was excellent as a moral center, but the film just had to give him a dramatic subplot of some foreign romance that was skated around at best. It had little to do with the story and with a ressolution so simplistic it again, hurt. Laura Linney's bedroom speech to Penn could be seen as Penn reaching a point in his life where he doesn't believe in the way of life she describes anymore, or it can be seen (as I saw it) as a cheap attempt to give really a minor character a great importance through a speech out of nowhere when it went against her character interaction before of crying and welcoming other people to her home for funeral arrangements. Penn's a known criminal so its expected his wife come up with a "cuckoo clock" logic to dignify it without facing the reality of it. Its also known he killed the wrong man, so of course how can he really believe in his life? Bad fucking drama, really.

Like I said before, the acting was excellent. The non intrusive directing and high photography of Boston only realized the realism in the acting better. The plot was a joke that it could be anything better than a well made genre piece.
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Post by: bonanzataz on December 16, 2003, 12:20:17 PM
i'm glad i'm not the only one who doesn't think this movie deserves title of "best movie of the year." i mean, it was alright and there were great parts, but as a whole it was just not that good. it seems every article i read has people talking about how "real" the people in this movie are. maybe there are a few people who have been in hollywood too long. there were parts that made me cringe at how NOT real some situations in the movie were. there were also parts that i loved, but to call this one of the best of the year is an overstatement.

i saw this movie last month, but i keep coming across people praising it in interviews and i wanted to know why! IS THERE SOMETHING I'M MISSING OR IS MY MIND JUST CLEARER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE'S?!?!?!
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Post by: Gamblour. on December 16, 2003, 01:55:23 PM
Quote from: taz.
i saw this movie last month, but i keep coming across people praising it in interviews and i wanted to know why! IS THERE SOMETHING I'M MISSING OR IS MY MIND JUST CLEARER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE'S?!?!?!

I don't get it either. If this takes any oscar home...I'll quit believing in the validity of the oscars! (again)
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Post by: Pedro on December 16, 2003, 08:09:21 PM
Quote from: Gamblor du JourIf this takes any oscar home...I'll quit believing in the validity of the oscars! (again)
not even acting?!
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Post by: samsong on December 17, 2003, 02:02:28 AM
I guess I'm the only one here that really loved this movie and praise it the same way critics seem to be.  At least everyone agrees that the acting is excellent but what's wrong with the story.  So it's genre.  I personally think that if anything it amplifies the emotions and themes the film is trying to convey.  Having said that I firmly believe that realism in cinema is an overrated concept and given too much credit.  Genre makes those lines blurier and can get away with more.  In making the film partially genre (in this case, murder/mystery and some wonderful noir undertones) it creates in itself a different logic and reality that as an activie participant of watching a film, we must adhere to in going through the film with the characters.  And I say must because that is the director's intention made heavily clear by the broad, brave strokes that he takes.  Eastwood's direction is very patient but extremely surehanded and confident.  

As much as I think realism is an overrated concept (since cinema is essentially artifice and I believe it to be both an art and a religion.. of sorts) I think plot is as well.  I think Kill Bill proved that this year; how the story's told over what the story is.  Eastwood tells it extremely well with a overpowering force and like I said earlier confidence that few filmmakers exhibit in contemporary cinema.  Where most directors hide themselves with style and innovations, Eastwood is an older and wiser dog who knows few tricks but can kick just about any of their asses.  This is pure filmmaking and brilliant storytelling, fueled by incredible performances and operatic emotions.  What I loved most though was that in the midst of all that already goes on in the film on the surface, underneath is a scathing character study that was subtle and beautifully (and i can't emphasize that enough) masked in all the cinematic elements it already has going for it.  In that sense it reminded me of the films of the man you see in my avatar (Nicholas Ray for those who don't know).  As for the resolution of the film being like that of a "bad crime novel" all I can say is that at least the film builds to a climax (which was one of the best scenes of the year) and though it does take some explaining it works out.  It doesn't bend logic too far nor does it insult the audience because "the killer" has been away for so long but was established enough throughout the movie.  BUT, at the same time, we see the predictable killer being "brought to justice" at the same time which makes it absolutely devastating.  In that town, Tim Robbin's character is the only humane one and he is about to die for for a crime we as the audience knows he didn't commit, bringing out a very simple yet enormously effecting irony of the situation.  There is a simplicity in the way Mystic River is conveyed that is taken for granted... we're not talking the succinctness of De Sica or Bresson, or minimalism in any way.  At work here is a classic form of movie storytelling and I loved every fucking minute of it, as banal as it was.  The one large problem I had though was the epilogue, which did eventually grow into what is one of the film's most powerful scenes but starts out feeling superfluous, which I guess can be added into your guys' complaints about the film not knowing where to end.  Regardless this film was quite an experience... at least for me.  Number three on my list for the year so far.

I'll wait for all the counterpoints all of you will inevitably have for me, but this is one of the year's very best.  Flawed, yes, but it is by now means "overrated" (though that's really up to the person) because the praise its been given is warranted.  Mystic River is one of the hardest hitting, no bullshit films to be released in a while.  And by no bullshit I mean it doesn't jump through the hoops that most movies do these days.  It sees no need to dress itself in crowd-pleasing aesthetic or fit the demands of modern audiences.  It just is.  And for it I appreciate and love it.

I guess I felt compelled to stand up for it.
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Post by: SHAFTR on December 17, 2003, 02:13:05 AM
I would love to see Eastwood receive an Oscar for direction.  The actors deserve nominations as well.  The story is solid as well.  The script is what really drags the film down, especially the ending.
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Post by: Gamblour. on December 17, 2003, 03:04:13 AM
Quote from: Pedro the Wombat
Quote from: Gamblor du JourIf this takes any oscar home...I'll quit believing in the validity of the oscars! (again)
not even acting?!

Ok...maybe Sean Penn.
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Post by: soixante on January 17, 2004, 02:31:56 PM
I've only seen it once, but I keep thinking about Mystic River, and it grows on me.    Eastwood loves helicopter shots, and his use of them in Mystic River adds to the sense of inevitable fate that swallows up all the characters.  I was wondering why he kept using helicopter views of Boston, until the powerful moment when Sean Penn realizes his daughter has been killed, as he's restrained by a dozen police officers, and the camera pulls up and views everything from above -- a God's eye view that detaches us from the everyday, viewing events from Olympian heights.  Eastwood the director has reached a new level of serene watchfulness and resignation about human nature that often accompanies the maturation process.

As for the parade at the end, some critic pointed out that it was a commentary on flag-waving self-congratulatory ceremonies which are prevalent in American life -- such as a big parade in Hollywood that I attended in 1991 to celebrate the end of the first Gulf War.  America loves parades, but what are we really celebrating?
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Post by: Finn on January 17, 2004, 08:23:36 PM
I love the gun shot Kevin Bacon makes with his hand at the very end.
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on January 17, 2004, 08:46:30 PM
Bogart says..:it would be much more dramatic if bacon would say 'here's lookinng at you kid'.....during that final scene....
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Post by: meatball on March 04, 2004, 02:33:47 PM
I'm going to go see this right now, so I'm bumping this back up into the current (March) from two months prior (January). I'll be back with my post-Mystic River thoughts.

Can't believe you guys have let this thread just dry up.
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Post by: picolas on March 04, 2004, 06:21:16 PM
have a good double post.
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Post by: meatball on March 04, 2004, 07:12:54 PM
Okay, maybe this thread is doomed, but I'll throw in my two cents.

I liked Mystic River. It was solid. Very solid. Story, acting, direction. All solid. But I felt like it didn't go all the way. As if it could take one more step, and that one step could have really made this a great, great movie.
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Post by: Pedro on March 04, 2004, 07:20:29 PM
Quote from: meatballBut I felt like it didn't go all the way. As if it could take one more step, and that one step could have really made this a great, great movie.
that step being?
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Post by: Ghostboy on March 04, 2004, 07:22:03 PM
I thought that step was the last scene between Linney and Penn, which rocked my world.
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Post by: modage on March 04, 2004, 07:31:22 PM
i think that step could've been Clint shooting the film in 3D.  or maybe robbins could've ripped off his mask at the end and it would've been tom cruise from mission impossible and the whole thing was a sting operation.
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on March 04, 2004, 11:07:09 PM
.i think the next step should be that morpheus takes off his "investigator costume" and reveals to sean penn that he is in the matrix and that his daughter really is safe aboard the nebakanezrah....

sample dialogue:

morpheus:  "the metaphysical diameter previals though the workings of the macabre henceforth"

penn: "where is my daughter?!??!?!?!?!?"

morpheus: "to ask fully cast the question through the paralell uniform thus annexing zion"

penn:" is that MY DAUGHTER?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!"

morpheus: "you are in the matrix ..your daughter is safe behold the clarvoiant feelings that trap manifested selections or behold thy fall"

penn"::spicoli:: AWESOME DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: brockly on March 06, 2004, 03:21:21 PM
i was spose to see this last night but they closed the late session at the last minute without giving a fuckng reason. i was pissed! i am no longer a clint eastwood fan.
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Post by: prophet on March 06, 2004, 05:37:10 PM
this movie was bullshit (penn was great though)
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Post by: meatball on March 13, 2004, 01:17:41 PM
Now I remember where I've seen Mystic River before.

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Post by: NEON MERCURY on March 13, 2004, 01:45:20 PM
Quote from: meatballNow I remember where I've seen Mystic River before.

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what about  this one:
you get to see the background of kevin bacon's character before he became a cop..its a prequel of sorts

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Post by: meatball on March 13, 2004, 03:35:58 PM
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Post by: Thrindle on March 16, 2004, 12:56:14 AM
I finally saw this movie.  Yes I'm an asshole who waited far too long and therefore caused it some sabotage, due to hype.  

Here's what I thought:  (obviously there's some SPOILERS... even though I'm the last person on the planet to watch this).

Some parts of the storytelling were irresponsible.  The brother and friend killing Katie did not satisfy me.  It wasn't enough motive, and that to me did not justify the brutality of the murder itself.  I thought the Sean Divine - wife - plotline was seriously lacking.  

"Will you come home?"  
"Sure after having your baby and leaving you alone for six months - and stalking you first".  Come on now.  

Penn's acting was great, but no better than Bill's.  I'm going to get shat on for that comment... but Bill Murray's understated performance takes the cake.
All in all, I'm your typical chick who bawls in movies.  I did not bawl throughout this movie.  I was not feeling particularly sympathetic toward the vigilante father... and Tim Robbin's pain was sort of vague.  Maybe I'm hormonal and feeling the inner bitch, but Kevin Bacon's character was flat, Laurence Fishburne was pointless (his performance was so cliche).  Having said that, Tim Robbins was stunning, but that's to be expected.  

I was thoroughly disappointed.  Ok PEOPLES RIP THIS CRITIQUE APART
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Post by: Chest Rockwell on March 16, 2004, 11:02:53 AM
Quote from: ThrindleI'm your typical chick
:shock:

You're right, Bill should have won.
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Post by: Thrindle on March 16, 2004, 12:19:12 PM
Quote from: Chest Rockwell
Quote from: ThrindleI'm your typical chick
:shock:

Apparently I sound like a guy?   :P
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Post by: cine on March 16, 2004, 12:25:14 PM
Quote from: Thrindle
Quote from: Chest Rockwell
Quote from: ThrindleI'm your typical chick
:shock:

Apparently I sound like a guy?   :P
Maybe it's that Pacino mugshot from the early 60's. But, hey, what do I know...
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Post by: Thrindle on March 16, 2004, 12:32:28 PM
Quote from: Cinephile
Quote from: Thrindle
Quote from: Chest Rockwell
Quote from: ThrindleI'm your typical chick
:shock:

Apparently I sound like a guy?   :P
Maybe it's that Pacino mugshot from the early 60's. But, hey, what do I know...

Because He's HOT!

Besides, what kind of guy would post with a name like "Thrindle"?
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Post by: MacGuffin on March 16, 2004, 12:36:23 PM
Quote from: ThrindleApparently I sound like a guy?   :P

No, it's just nobody reads anything.
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Post by: cine on March 16, 2004, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: ThrindleApparently I sound like a guy?   :P

No, it's just nobody reads anything.
Well I remember her mentioning it in a previous post. I think it's just Chest. He lets everything get to his hooks.
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Post by: MacGuffin on March 16, 2004, 12:40:33 PM
Quote from: In The Dreamers thread, Chest RockwellIt's OK, Pal. You'll soon realize no one reads anything around here anyway. The only long and boring posts people read around here come from either Godardian or The Gold[en] Trumpet. Anyone else is just wasting time.
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Post by: Chest Rockwell on March 16, 2004, 09:59:58 PM
Exactly.

I read, I just don't listen, sadly.
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Post by: MacGuffin on March 29, 2004, 04:03:34 PM
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First details on Mystic River which stars Tim Robins, Sean Penn, Kevin Bacon, Laura Linney and Laurence Fishburne. This award winning film will be available to own from the 8th June in either a three disc special edition or a standard movie only release. Each will carry a 2.40:1 anamorphic widescreen presentation and both English and French Dolby Digital 5.1 tracks. Extras on the special edition will include an audio commentary by Tim Robbins and Kevin Bacon, two documentaries as well as three interviews with Clint Eastwood, Tim Robins and Kevin Bacon. The third disc will be comprised of the films soundtrack. Retail will be around $39.98. The single disc release on the other hand will set you back around $27.95 in total.
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Post by: modage on March 29, 2004, 05:01:43 PM
i hate when its either 1 disc or 3 discs (with sntk), and theres no get the 2nd disc but not the sntk option.
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Post by: Finn on March 29, 2004, 05:39:54 PM
I'm goin for the 3 pack
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Post by: El Duderino on March 29, 2004, 05:51:33 PM
mystic river was bad news. sean penn and marcia gay harden were good, but other than that, i didnt enjoy watching the movie.
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on March 29, 2004, 10:09:17 PM
....hell yes!!!!........finally seems like they did this phucker some justice.......
and its well deserved.......can't wait......and i like how you get your choice of a bare bones edition or the pimp one.....instead of just one version then months lateer they screw you with the special edition......this is a musty own for me......
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Post by: Kal on March 30, 2004, 12:30:49 AM
I'm buying this... oh yeah...