how would you rank his films so far?

Started by Robyn, October 23, 2017, 09:37:05 PM

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HACKANUT

Update to my pre-LP ranking.

The Master
There Will Be Blood
Inherent Vice
Phantom Thread
Punch-Drunk Love
Boogie Nights
Magnolia
Licorice Pizza
Hard Eight

I like LP but I just don't have the same urge to binge-rewatch it like I do with the films at the top of the list.

DickHardwood2022

Quote from: HACKANUT on April 16, 2022, 06:49:03 PMUpdate to my pre-LP ranking.

The Master
There Will Be Blood
Inherent Vice
Phantom Thread
Punch-Drunk Love
Boogie Nights
Magnolia
Licorice Pizza
Hard Eight

I like LP but I just don't have the same urge to binge-rewatch it like I do with the films at the top of the list.

Thats interesting because for me Licorice Pizza is his most rewatchable film

HACKANUT

Quote from: DickHardwood2022 on April 16, 2022, 06:53:07 PM
Quote from: HACKANUT on April 16, 2022, 06:49:03 PMUpdate to my pre-LP ranking.

The Master
There Will Be Blood
Inherent Vice
Phantom Thread
Punch-Drunk Love
Boogie Nights
Magnolia
Licorice Pizza
Hard Eight

I like LP but I just don't have the same urge to binge-rewatch it like I do with the films at the top of the list.

Thats interesting because for me Licorice Pizza is his most rewatchable film

It's tough because in terms of filmmaking craft LP is one of my favorites, but the story doesn't seem to have nearly as much to say as the others. Boy do I love looking at it tho. 

max from fearless

Quote from: HACKANUT on April 17, 2022, 07:26:04 AM
Quote from: DickHardwood2022 on April 16, 2022, 06:53:07 PM
Quote from: HACKANUT on April 16, 2022, 06:49:03 PMUpdate to my pre-LP ranking.

The Master
There Will Be Blood
Inherent Vice
Phantom Thread
Punch-Drunk Love
Boogie Nights
Magnolia
Licorice Pizza
Hard Eight

I like LP but I just don't have the same urge to binge-rewatch it like I do with the films at the top of the list.

Thats interesting because for me Licorice Pizza is his most rewatchable film

It's tough because in terms of filmmaking craft LP is one of my favorites, but the story doesn't seem to have nearly as much to say as the others. Boy do I love looking at it tho. 

THISSSSS!!!! LP looks, sounds incredible, the craft is unbelievable - but for me the script is nowhere near the others...recently took a look at a UHD of Phantom Thread, and I wish more and more that it got the same kind of awards push as LP. Its an absolute gem.

Drenk

It had a decent campaign and, if I'm not mistaken, more nominations than LP—I thought he would get best screenplay for Thread.
Ascension.

Yes

I don't know, I think LP says quite a lot. What does, say, Thread even say other than making fun power play dynamics based on co-dependency?

Phantom Thread also was never a major Oscar contender. The Director and BP nom were major surprises on the morning and it still went onto miss Screenplay. It missed all of Globe, PGA, DGA, WGA, BAFTA--Licorice Pizza made them all. He was never coming close to getting any wins there. LP was his biggest chance.

This changes daily, probably changed from last post but right now:

1. The Master
2. Magnolia
3. Punch-Drunk Love
4. Boogie Nights
(If you ask me tomorrow, these probably switch).
5. Licorice Pizza
6. There Will Be Blood- impeachable film that "objectively" should be higher but not personally high on my list
7. Phantom Thread
8. Inherent Vice
9. Hard Eight

But I love/really like top 7 and would consider them 5 to 4.5 star films

HACKANUT

Quote from: Yes on April 17, 2022, 03:18:43 PMI don't know, I think LP says quite a lot. What does, say, Thread even say other than making fun power play dynamics based on co-dependency?

I'm not saying LP doesn't say a lot, I just think it says less than the others I prefer. Simplifying PT's message doesn't make your counterpoint very effective, if I'm being honest.

Yes

Quote from: HACKANUT on April 17, 2022, 05:14:36 PM
Quote from: Yes on April 17, 2022, 03:18:43 PMI don't know, I think LP says quite a lot. What does, say, Thread even say other than making fun power play dynamics based on co-dependency?

I'm not saying LP doesn't say a lot, I just think it says less than the others I prefer. Simplifying PT's message doesn't make your counterpoint very effective, if I'm being honest.

I'm not simplifying it at all, I just think it's a more insular film, which it is. Not necessarily negative or detrimental, just the design, intent, and focus of the film. It's why PTA has mentioned he cut like 40 min from the original cut

Also, man, didn't you see LP like 5 times in theaters? Lol, that's a lot of rewatches!

HACKANUT

Quote from: Yes on April 17, 2022, 06:27:27 PM
Quote from: HACKANUT on April 17, 2022, 05:14:36 PM
Quote from: Yes on April 17, 2022, 03:18:43 PMI don't know, I think LP says quite a lot. What does, say, Thread even say other than making fun power play dynamics based on co-dependency?

I'm not saying LP doesn't say a lot, I just think it says less than the others I prefer. Simplifying PT's message doesn't make your counterpoint very effective, if I'm being honest.

I'm not simplifying it at all, I just think it's a more insular film, which it is. Not necessarily negative or detrimental, just the design, intent, and focus of the film. It's why PTA has mentioned he cut like 40 min from the original cut

Also, man, didn't you see LP like 5 times in theaters? Lol, that's a lot of rewatches!

Again, not saying I dislike LP. I love the movie! But 5 rewatches compared to literally ~50 of Master and at least 30 for IV is where I'm coming from.
I kinda feel like I've rung everything I can from LP. I'm sure there's more in there, but I'm not very motivated to dig at the moment. Meanwhile I STILL can't pin down The Master. That's my high water mark I guess.

The 40 mins cut from Thread seems to come from him thinking the script needed all the peripheral stuff that LP ended up later wearing on its sleeve, and then realizing it wasn't needed in the edit. They are both very insular, small films. One gets there by staying small and one gets there by casting the net wide around its small core.

Yes

Licorice Pizza is a mosaic about the passage of time and how business/politics/cultural codes of era influence two lost souls to manipulate that time to meet each other in various stages of stagnancy as a means of catharsis and coping. But the sad irony of the piece is how these moments of catharsis are not everlasting. I don't think it's a very small film. Yeah, it's not There Will Be Blood but it is epic in different ways.

Phantom Thread is, however, just much smaller, more intimate with a lot of Woodcock and Alma's reconciling and depth spawned from more internal factors such as family and repression. There's the Barbara Rose thing and some snide, racist remarks towards Alma at the dinner party, but I don't really think it's doing much politically or socially. Nor does it aim to. It even has an apathy to fashion industry in general, focusing more on smaller projects without a big picture emphasis

I like these movies. I'm just speaking about why I have LP ahead of PT. And as much as I love PT, I do think it's a thinner flm and an occasion when the "meandering" complaints actually apply, while I think the context and looseness of LP justifies its more as they're young characters in stasis

wilberfan


HACKANUT

Quote from: wilberfan on April 17, 2022, 11:00:25 PMThe results as of today.

Of course any ranking is correct, but this is a nice looking list!

ono

As I said in Discord, I mostly agree with this except switch PDL and Magnolia.  Was surprised at esteem for PDL and falling of Magnolia.  GJ Xixax hive mind.

FloydGondolli

The Master
Boogie Nights
Punch Drunk love
Licorice Pizza
There Will Be Blood
Magnolia
Inherent Vice
Hard Eight
Phantom Thread

DickHardwood2022

Quote from: FloydGondolli on May 11, 2022, 03:08:18 PMThe Master
Boogie Nights
Punch Drunk love
Licorice Pizza
There Will Be Blood
Magnolia
Inherent Vice
Hard Eight
Phantom Thread

That Phantom Thread placement hurts me  :yabbse-sad: