I've seen that anonymous producer's Oscar ballot reactions doing the rounds. Not much about Licorice Pizza, but their comments on Drive My Car, among other things, only reinforced my opinion about some Hollywood industry people. They apparently seem to think that it had no business being nominated for Best Picture purely because it's Japanese... Astonishing, really, that this is still a way of viewing cinema, engaged in by professionals, in the year 2022.

I'm sure that specific spirit is alive in the industry, but the anonymous ballot is also, in my opinion, a bit—they know what's expected of them and therefore indulge their audience.

I'm not sure pretending to be a little bit bigoted for one's imagined audience is any better, really.

Those in the industry don't automatically have impeccable taste, yes. However, it also needs to be state that these awards are given by their peers. It's a popularity contest. I don't mean that in an overly pessimistic way, either, but people will literally vote for their neighbors over someone else not simply because it's their neighbor, but they are blinded by how good their work is because it's their neighbor.

Quote from: jviness02 on March 23, 2022, 07:31:31 PMThose in the industry don't automatically have impeccable taste, yes. However, it also needs to be state that these awards are given by their peers. It's a popularity contest. I don't mean that in an overly pessimistic way, either, but people will literally vote for their neighbors over someone else not simply because it's their neighbor, but they are blinded by how good their work is because it's their neighbor.

PTA is loved, he's friends with Apatow and Spielberg. Peers with QT and Nolan. He and Maya are connected to the comedy guys. He has 11 nominations from the Oscars. You'd think he'd have enough support from his buddies by now to win.

If he can't beat out a stupid Kenneth Branagh movie that's so insular and niche and lost almost everything... if he can't beat out Adam McKay who has already won and made his most mocked and unsubtle movie yet.. hard to imagine his contemporaries and friends would ever rally to throw him a bone

Quote from: Yes on March 23, 2022, 09:21:43 PM

Quote from: jviness02 on March 23, 2022, 07:31:31 PMThose in the industry don't automatically have impeccable taste, yes. However, it also needs to be state that these awards are given by their peers. It's a popularity contest. I don't mean that in an overly pessimistic way, either, but people will literally vote for their neighbors over someone else not simply because it's their neighbor, but they are blinded by how good their work is because it's their neighbor.

PTA is loved, he's friends with Apatow and Spielberg. Peers with QT and Nolan. He and Maya are connected to the comedy guys. He has 11 nominations from the Oscars. You'd think he'd have enough support from his buddies by now to win.

If he can't beat out a stupid Kenneth Branagh movie that's so insular and niche and lost almost everything... if he can't beat out Adam McKay who has already won and made his most mocked and unsubtle movie yet.. hard to imagine his contemporaries and friends would ever rally to throw him a bone

He also has a reputation for being a very private guy who's not an "industry" personality and who doesn't play the awards game. I think there is just as much going against him as for him from the peers aspect. Plus, his films are normally more obtuse than the average film which is always going to turn a section of people off. 

I'd love for him to win, but I also don't think this particular moment has shaped up any easier for him to win. Belfast sucks, but it's the exact kind of movie that has won boat loads of Oscars for years. We all assumed it would win months ago. I think the only reason we got hopeful was because  Belfast unexpected lack of success during the other awards and the new favorite(POTD) not being in the same category. I really don't think DLU will win. I will be very shocked if McKay wins a second Oscar.

Quote from: jviness02 on March 24, 2022, 12:56:30 AM

Quote from: Yes on March 23, 2022, 09:21:43 PM

Quote from: jviness02 on March 23, 2022, 07:31:31 PMThose in the industry don't automatically have impeccable taste, yes. However, it also needs to be state that these awards are given by their peers. It's a popularity contest. I don't mean that in an overly pessimistic way, either, but people will literally vote for their neighbors over someone else not simply because it's their neighbor, but they are blinded by how good their work is because it's their neighbor.

PTA is loved, he's friends with Apatow and Spielberg. Peers with QT and Nolan. He and Maya are connected to the comedy guys. He has 11 nominations from the Oscars. You'd think he'd have enough support from his buddies by now to win.

If he can't beat out a stupid Kenneth Branagh movie that's so insular and niche and lost almost everything... if he can't beat out Adam McKay who has already won and made his most mocked and unsubtle movie yet.. hard to imagine his contemporaries and friends would ever rally to throw him a bone

He also has a reputation for being a very private guy who's not an "industry" personality and who doesn't play the awards game. I think there is just as much going against him as for him from the peers aspect. Plus, his films are normally more obtuse than the average film which is always going to turn a section of people off. 

I'd love for him to win, but I also don't think this particular moment has shaped up any easier for him to win. Belfast sucks, but it's the exact kind of movie that has won boat loads of Oscars for years. We all assumed it would win months ago. I think the only reason we got hopeful was because  Belfast unexpected lack of success during the other awards and the new favorite(POTD) not being in the same category. I really don't think DLU will win. I will be very shocked if McKay wins a second Oscar.

Belfast, I at least anticipated it would win BP which yeah, understandable. Horrible, of course. But ok.

Screenplay, I thought they'd have the dignity to pass on. Other than Green Book recently, Screenplay has become the place to throw a bone to the cool choice or auteur who will never win Director or Picture..Spike Jonze, James Ivory, Tarantino. Jojo Rabbit sucks but people love Taika and that's a "weird" high-concept comedy that I understand why writers would appreciate (despite the lack of taste). Belfast just did not seem like something writers who backed, like, Promising Young Woman and Get Out would respond to. Once Belfast began losing steam and flopping and fading I assumed the moment passed, yet here we are

Quote from: jviness02 on March 24, 2022, 12:56:30 AM

Quote from: Yes on March 23, 2022, 09:21:43 PM

Quote from: jviness02 on March 23, 2022, 07:31:31 PMThose in the industry don't automatically have impeccable taste, yes. However, it also needs to be state that these awards are given by their peers. It's a popularity contest. I don't mean that in an overly pessimistic way, either, but people will literally vote for their neighbors over someone else not simply because it's their neighbor, but they are blinded by how good their work is because it's their neighbor.

PTA is loved, he's friends with Apatow and Spielberg. Peers with QT and Nolan. He and Maya are connected to the comedy guys. He has 11 nominations from the Oscars. You'd think he'd have enough support from his buddies by now to win.

If he can't beat out a stupid Kenneth Branagh movie that's so insular and niche and lost almost everything... if he can't beat out Adam McKay who has already won and made his most mocked and unsubtle movie yet.. hard to imagine his contemporaries and friends would ever rally to throw him a bone

He also has a reputation for being a very private guy who's not an "industry" personality and who doesn't play the awards game. I think there is just as much going against him as for him from the peers aspect. Plus, his films are normally more obtuse than the average film which is always going to turn a section of people off. 

I'd love for him to win, but I also don't think this particular moment has shaped up any easier for him to win. Belfast sucks, but it's the exact kind of movie that has won boat loads of Oscars for years. We all assumed it would win months ago. I think the only reason we got hopeful was because  Belfast unexpected lack of success during the other awards and the new favorite(POTD) not being in the same category. I really don't think DLU will win. I will be very shocked if McKay wins a second Oscar.

As an aside, regarding the bit about PTA having a reputation for being private and not an 'industry personality', it is amusing to imagine how thoughtful, quiet-seeming individuals like PTA, the Coens, Christopher Nolan etc tactfully negotiate their dealings with the kind of loudmouth Hollywood insider asshole that anonymous Oscar ballot conjures up. You must have to learn how to compose a fantastic poker face.

Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on March 24, 2022, 07:54:58 AM

Quote from: jviness02 on March 24, 2022, 12:56:30 AM

Quote from: Yes on March 23, 2022, 09:21:43 PM

Quote from: jviness02 on March 23, 2022, 07:31:31 PMThose in the industry don't automatically have impeccable taste, yes. However, it also needs to be state that these awards are given by their peers. It's a popularity contest. I don't mean that in an overly pessimistic way, either, but people will literally vote for their neighbors over someone else not simply because it's their neighbor, but they are blinded by how good their work is because it's their neighbor.

PTA is loved, he's friends with Apatow and Spielberg. Peers with QT and Nolan. He and Maya are connected to the comedy guys. He has 11 nominations from the Oscars. You'd think he'd have enough support from his buddies by now to win.

If he can't beat out a stupid Kenneth Branagh movie that's so insular and niche and lost almost everything... if he can't beat out Adam McKay who has already won and made his most mocked and unsubtle movie yet.. hard to imagine his contemporaries and friends would ever rally to throw him a bone

He also has a reputation for being a very private guy who's not an "industry" personality and who doesn't play the awards game. I think there is just as much going against him as for him from the peers aspect. Plus, his films are normally more obtuse than the average film which is always going to turn a section of people off. 

I'd love for him to win, but I also don't think this particular moment has shaped up any easier for him to win. Belfast sucks, but it's the exact kind of movie that has won boat loads of Oscars for years. We all assumed it would win months ago. I think the only reason we got hopeful was because  Belfast unexpected lack of success during the other awards and the new favorite(POTD) not being in the same category. I really don't think DLU will win. I will be very shocked if McKay wins a second Oscar.

As an aside, regarding the bit about PTA having a reputation for being private and not an 'industry personality', it is amusing to imagine how thoughtful, quiet-seeming individuals like PTA, the Coens, Christopher Nolan etc tactfully negotiate their dealings with the kind of loudmouth Hollywood insider asshole that anonymous Oscar ballot conjures up. You must have to learn how to compose a fantastic poker face.

That 2007 Oscars with Coens sweeping for No Country For Old Men truly one for the record books. Especially with PTA in the mix. they did win for Fargo a decade prior, but a clean sweep and BP? With consensus voting nowadays, good luck

Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on March 24, 2022, 07:54:58 AMAs an aside, regarding the bit about PTA having a reputation for being private and not an 'industry personality', it is amusing to imagine how thoughtful, quiet-seeming individuals like PTA, the Coens, Christopher Nolan etc tactfully negotiate their dealings with the kind of loudmouth Hollywood insider asshole that anonymous Oscar ballot conjures up. You must have to learn how to compose a fantastic poker face.

They can be ruthless in their own ways. The Coens aside, I've heard or read stories of pretty much every major director's "strong temper", to say the least. They don't behave like that all the time of course, but you don't get to make films with such artistic integrity and impose your will like that just by poker facing when encountering resistance. Sometimes they have to push really hard to get their way.

Who thinks that Will Smith is a secret Licorice Pizza fan making the selfless decision to shift The Discourse away from said picture?

Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on March 28, 2022, 08:57:19 AMWho thinks that Will Smith is a secret Licorice Pizza fan making the selfless decision to shift The Discourse away from said picture?

He's a showman. It's what he's meant to do.

Seemed to also resemble Daniel slapping Eli.

"I'm going to bury you underground Eli. Keep my wife's name out of your fucking mouth."