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Wow.
I LOVE how everything turned out :!:  :!:  :!:

I'm still in shock over how good the list turned out. I'm more than pleased in the results.

Who COULDN'T love this list?

Who won?

a fine list, indeed.

I'm with Cinephile. The results are great, though I do not agree on Taxi Driver.

pdl is a wonderful movie but its kinda out of place (even though i now realize it was on my list for the 30), and fight club just doesnt belong.

I am really, really pleasantly surprised by the results.

I don't give everyone enough credit, I'm realizing.  :)

Came out a lot more original than I thought it would be.  I figured it would be a carbon copy of every other film snob list.

Okay, I could say that Fight Club, Punch-Drunk Love and Mulholland Drive have no place on this list. But you know what? Like some people were saying on the other thread, this is what the Xixax list should be like anyway. There's the Lynch for the Lynch fans (I'm glad it's not Blue Velvet :wink:), the obligatory Fight Club, and the hardcore PDL fans. I have no problem with this because there's a Fellini, Truffaut, Godard, Kurosawa, Hitchcock and Welles that more than make up for the ones I might not agree with.

So like it or not, this list truly defines Xixax members.

the list is good, as are the graphics. good job jb/everyone.

Cool list ! Fight Club is a shocker though, but still, I'm surprised.

Yep, kudos to all. Good list. In my mind though, someone just misspelled Raging Bull with the letters p, d, & l.

Quote from: SoNowThenYep, kudos to all. Good list. In my mind though, someone just misspelled Raging Bull with the letters p, d, & l.

i think you're right.

Must get hold of My Life to Live!

Great list. Thanks to the vote counters.

Quote from: ®edlumMust get hold of My Life to Live!

I think people did.  :-D

No Eyes Wide Shut.  For shame.  That film is brilliant.  Just saw it again a few nights ago.  At least it made the first cut.  And like P said, three Kubricks says it all.  Now I know which films I need to see next, once I actually get Netflix going for myself.  I'm happy Punch-Drunk Love made it.  Having just written about it and watched it so much, I'm more and more convinced of its brilliance.  And yay for Fight Club.  I too think Mulholland Drive and Taxi Driver are out of place, but if a Lynch and Scorsese had to make the list, I'm glad it's those two, and not, say, Blue Velvet and/or GoodFellas.  Bleh.  Question for those who voted for 2001: Why?  I mean, I can understand how revolutionary a film it was for its time, but is that its merit?  How entertaining is it really?  Maybe I need to see it again.  Overall, I'm happy with the list, and the graphics are nice, too.  Great job to those who organized this.

Here's an idea: what say we turn Xixax into a place with a little bit more content?  There have been several of these group efforts, and this place has become such a community.  The home (http://www.xixax.com/) would house lists such as these, notices of chats where we watch movies together, notifications of events, and film articles.  The forums would be moved off to something like http://www.xixax.com/forums/ Rather than them all getting lost in the forum shuffle, we'd have a concrete place (URL) to refer to if that was to happen, plus, we'd have unique content with all the film essays floating around the site (stuff mutinyco, The Silver Bullet, SHAFTR, etc. have written).

Taxi Driver out of place? Is this some kinda sick joke?

Put a smile on my face to see 8 1/2 & Vivre Sa Vie there!!!

I wouldn't have put Pulp Fiction or PDL in the top 15... and if there were an ANTI-Dekapenticon, it would still be too good for Fight Club, IMO. But yes, this does seem to be a representative list. And Fight Club is the only movie on there that I actually dislike, which is a much better ratio than I expected.  

As for 2001 not being "entertaining"; isn't a mind-shattering, medium-shattering cinematic experience more memorable and important than something that just entertains? 2001 doesn't just "entertain"- it engages in such a mind-blowing way as to well deserve its place on the list.

I'm pleasantly surprised that Mulholland Dr. made it so high on the list, too. After Lost Highway, I would've expected that Lynch's best work was behind him. Then along came this movie that, after arguing with myself for a bit, I saw as Lynch's masterwork- the pinnacle and ultimate coalescence of all the original, beautiful, extraordinary things he's been doing with cinema since the beginning of his career.

Quote from: godardianI wouldn't have put Pulp Fiction or PDL in the top 15... and if there were an ANTI-Dekapenticon, it would still be too good for Fight Club, IMO. But yes, this does seem to be a representative list. And Fight Club is the only movie on there that I actually dislike, which is a much better ratio than I expected.

For the life of me, I will never understand what some people have against Fight Club.  I guess it's that The Usual Suspects syndrome talked about here earlier.  I mean, I love Fight Club, so I'm a little more adamant about defending it, but The Usual Suspects is a good movie that way too many people like to give a bad rap for no apparent reason.  Fight Club is the same way, only better.

Quote from: godardianAs for 2001 not being "entertaining"; isn't a mind-shattering, medium-shattering cinematic experience more memorable and important than something that just entertains? 2001 doesn't just "entertain"- it engages in such a mind-blowing way as to well deserve its place on the list.

Yep, I need to see it again.

Quote from: Onomatopoeia
For the life of me, I will never understand what some people have against Fight Club.  I guess it's that The Usual Suspects syndrome talked about here earlier.  I mean, I love Fight Club, so I'm a little more adamant about defending it, but The Usual Suspects is a good movie that way too many people like to give a bad rap for no apparent reason.  Fight Club is the same way, only better.
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I can assure you that my negative opinion on Fight Club is based on my own critical analysis of the film itself and is not in any way a mere reaction to popular regard for it.

yeah, you're wrong about Fight Club, but that's cool


:)

Quote from: godardianI can assure you that my negative opinion on Fight Club is based on my own critical analysis of the film itself and is not in any way a mere reaction to popular regard for it.

Oh, I completely expected that.  Knowing you, I never thought any other way.  :)

anyway, can we start campaining for next year now?

I'd like all who haven't yet, to go out and watch Walkabout and The Conformist.

i didn't think the XIXAX DEKAPENTICON would be an annual event.

Quote from: SoNowThenI'd like all who haven't yet, to go out and watch Walkabout and The Conformist.

I'm gonna add them to my Netflix query now.  I'm like a kid in a candy store.  :-D

Quote from: Pi didn't think the XIXAX DEKAPENTICON would be an annual event.

I think that's the beauty of it. I am now quite interested to see how the list will change...

Quote from: Pi didn't think the XIXAX DEKAPENTICON would be an annual event.

Why not?  Opinions change.  New movies get released.  Older movies devalue over time or age well.

i just didn't think so is all.

one year is hardly a time frame to judge whether a film has aged well or "devalued".

QuoteOpinions change. New movies get released. Older movies devalue over time or age well.

and when it rains, it pours.

Quote from: Pi just didn't think so is all.

one year is hardly a time frame to judge whether a film has aged well or "devalued".

I agree with that.

But this is the good thing: in a year, I'll have seen so many more important films that I didn't have a chance to see while we made this list. So I just wanna see what films creep up there as more people discover them...

Quote from: Onomatopoeia

Quote from: godardianI can assure you that my negative opinion on Fight Club is based on my own critical analysis of the film itself and is not in any way a mere reaction to popular regard for it.

Oh, I completely expected that.  Knowing you, I never thought any other way.  :)

Ahhh... my reputation precedes me. :)

I'm assuming SoNowThen is saying I was wrong about Fight Club... with the order of the e-mails and no quote, it was hard to tell who "you're wrong" was... given the odds, I'll assume it's me that SoNowThen so mistakenly believes to be wrong. :)

No Conformist DVD = no Conformist re-watching for me 'til there is one. Like any film, it deserves to be seen as intended.

And SNT is right about time having potential, especially in this context. Hopefully, everyone will see My Life to Live before next time, and it'll get bumped up a few. I'm not going to start off a big thing by saying which films I think will (or I would like to) drop off the list fastest. Fight Club is old enough by now that its presence on the list has some validity and likely staying power, even if the film itself is- oddly enough, given its theme- impotent (sorry, had to get that parting shot in! This movie ties with Moulin Rouge as The Bad Movie Most Likely to be Embraced by Smart People.)

That list was pretty good, I haven't seen 8 1/2 and 400 Blows yet, but otherwise I completely agree with the rest.

it'll be nice to see how the board matures, but that's about all u can tell from it.

sure, another DEKAPENTICON would be fine.

I think P has the right idea.

It's helpful to remember, too, that these things are an extra burden on the admins and do consume their time and energy, so a long breather between times is probably in order. Maybe Olympic-spaced intervals?

When I get some free time, I'd be happy to make some bootleg copies of Conformist. I'll get the video from the cool rentals place, capture it onto my computer, then make some dvds.



As to Fight Club, I think it will stand the test of time. I'll make you a deal, Godardian. I'll give Mulholland Drive another chance if you give Fight Club another chance...

Quote from: SoNowThenAs to Fight Club, I think it will stand the test of time. I'll make you a deal, Godardian. I'll give Mulholland Drive another chance if you give Fight Club another chance...

Let me get a piece of that action.  Hehe.  Seriously, I caught the opening of Mulholland Drive on cable a few months ago, and was resisting letting it suck me in again.  Brilliant beginnings, I'll give it that.  I just don't want to get sucked into its depressing vortex again.

As for the time and effort admins have to put forth to do this, well, I'd volunteer to help if it was wanted.  I think something like this is worth pursuing every year, and I have ways I can think of, I'm sure, to make all the vote tallying go much more smoothly.

Quote from: SoNowThenWhen I get some free time, I'd be happy to make some bootleg copies of Conformist. I'll get the video from the cool rentals place, capture it onto my computer, then make some dvds.



As to Fight Club, I think it will stand the test of time. I'll make you a deal, Godardian. I'll give Mulholland Drive another chance if you give Fight Club another chance...

Okay... it's an Old West-style cinema showdown! Blow-by-blow; we should even create an item for it. Where and when?

I'm surprised how historical the list was. A lot of the films on the list never really got that much discussion on the boards so I'm wondering how honest some people were being. If I measured the board by content to one thing, the number one film would be "JJ Gets Banned!". I'm glad some people are noticing other movies though and realizing discussion on films needs to happen.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI'm surprised how historical the list was. A lot of the films on the list never really got that much discussion on the boards so I'm wondering how honest some people were being. If I measured the board by content to one thing, the number one film would be "JJ Gets Banned!". I'm glad some people are noticing other movies though and realizing discussion on films needs to happen.

I preferred the ensemble comedy "Banning"...

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI'm surprised how historical the list was. A lot of the films on the list never really got that much discussion on the boards so I'm wondering how honest some people were being.

Another possibility: Significantly smaller number of people voted than post.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetIf I measured the board by content to one thing, the number one film would be "JJ Gets Banned!". I'm glad some people are noticing other movies though and realizing discussion on films needs to happen.

oh yeah, that's such a HOT topic. show's how much u know GT. listen, three ppl not shutting up about one thing is not the same as 30 ppl talking about a completely different thing altogether., u falla'? the real hot topic of xixax is "what's the deal with these ppl who never know wtf is going on and perpetuate misinformation?"

stick to ur coen-bashing & bad reviews, and leave the social commentary to the social ppl. ok buddy?

Quote from: P

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetIf I measured the board by content to one thing, the number one film would be "JJ Gets Banned!". I'm glad some people are noticing other movies though and realizing discussion on films needs to happen.

oh yeah, that's such a HOT topic. show's how much u know GT. listen, three ppl not shutting up about one thing is not the same as 30 ppl talking about a completely different thing altogether., u falla'? the real hot topic of xixax is "what's the deal with these ppl who never know wtf is going on and perpetuate misinformation?"

stick to ur coen-bashing & bad reviews, and leave the social commentary to the social ppl. ok buddy?

I'm surprised I would have to do this, but: Lighten up! It's a fucking joke.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI'm surprised I would have to do this, but: Lighten up! It's a fucking joke.

i didn't know u were into those things.

its a pretty good list.  not too fanboy-y, or too film snobby-y.  i'm pleased.  but weeping tears for rushmore and empire strikes back (where were my fellow geeks on this one?!?)

i also think tha pdl has no place on the list, i know this is a mostly pta site but BN deserves it way more

Quote from: themodernage02its a pretty good list.  not too fanboy-y, or too film snobby-y.  i'm pleased.  but weeping tears for rushmore and empire strikes back (where were my fellow geeks on this one?!?)

I love Rushmore, but IMO it's a flawed (yet still great) film with a broken second act, so I couldn't bring myself to vote for it over a lot of other films up for the vote.  No comment on Empire Strikes Back.  Hehe.

I didn't vote. :(

I won the XIXAX DEKAPENTICON!

Quote from: SoNowThenTaxi Driver out of place? Is this some kinda sick joke?

I just don't think it's that great.

I'd place it between mediocre and great. For me, the movie's about a guy in a cab, complaining.

Quote from: kotte

Quote from: SoNowThenTaxi Driver out of place? Is this some kinda sick joke?

I just don't think it's that great.

I'd place it between mediocre and great. For me, the movie's about a guy in a cab, complaining.

sounds ... hm...familiar....

my two cents...

1.magnolia..... :roll: ..i should have expected that. at number one..its all good though

2.  2001...i agree

3. pulp fiction....to high..but its "film geek 101"

4.  taxi driver...to high..

5. citizen kane.....at least it wasn't number one...

6.  8 1/2.....i agree

7.  my life to live....i NEED to see it ...i guess

8.  mulholland drive........thannk you...

9.  vertigo.....to high.....

10  seven samurai...i agree

11  pdl...... :roll:

12   strangelove.... :roll:

13  400 blows......to low....

14 fight club...... :lol:.....i guess all the 18 and under members voted this one....

15 a clockwork orangew.....it wouldn't be a list w/out this obligatory film on it.....



in summation..........great job by voters ....and admins...........

......next year  maybe blue velvet and lost highway will sneak in there..... :wink:

Slog did NOT when the Xixax Dekapentikon Sorry Slog, your check didn't clear

Yeah, Punch Drunk Love was a great film, but it really doesn't belong on here as fresh as it is.  And Fight Club... I mean, I liked it and all, but come on.

The only thing I'm truly disapointed in was how close Big Lebowski came to being on the list, but didn't.

At least Dr. Strangelove's on there, so we have some comedy well represented.

QuoteI love Rushmore, but IMO it's a flawed (yet still great) film with a broken second act, so I couldn't bring myself to vote for it over a lot of other films up for the vote. No comment on Empire Strikes Back. Hehe.

If you don't mind me asking, how is the second act flawed?

1.magnolia - magnificent, and you'd be a fool to think this wouldn't be number one.

2.  2001 - sounds right

3. pulp fiction - people keep saying it's too high on the list, and how could that be?  If so many people had it on their lists, it ended up here, it obviously deserves its number

4.  taxi driver - same as pulp fiction

5. citizen kane - definitely a moving film that had to be on the list somewhere

6.  8 1/2 - still haven't seen it...

7.  my life to live - still haven't seen in it...

8.  mulholland drive - a masterpiece like this deserved to be on it somewhere

9.  vertigo - same as mulholland drive

10  seven samurai - didn't like it the first time i saw it, guess i'll see it again

11  punch drunk love - same as pulp fiction

12  dr.  strangelove - definitely needed to have some comedies in the top 15, because we could always use some laughing

13  400 blows - still haven't seen it

14 fight club - same as pulp fiction.  i'm getting pretty sick of all the fight club bashing, fact is: it was well made, had a great story, and touches face on a lot of things so very true.  I think I'm defending Palahniuk more than Fincher here, though...

15 a clockwork orange - i didn't see it immediately didn't see it in the top 10 and was surprised.  scrolled down some and boom, there it was and put a smile on my face.   good work to those who made the banners.

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As for doing this yearly, I doubt it would be a good idea UNLESS you said pick the top 15, aside from the 15 listed above.  Because I'm more than sure the list will change, but not much.  Classics are classics.

I think it would be pointless to pick 15 new ones each year. If the list stays the same, then that really says something for those films, doesn't it? If they've earned it, they should stay there...

Touche.

Quote from: russiasusha

QuoteI love Rushmore, but IMO it's a flawed (yet still great) film with a broken second act, so I couldn't bring myself to vote for it over a lot of other films up for the vote. No comment on Empire Strikes Back. Hehe.

If you don't mind me asking, how is the second act flawed?

Let's see if I can put this into words.  All throughout Rushmore, the soundtrack is one of its biggest boons.  It gets this so right in every scene, helping to make the film memorable.  This is even true in the second act when Herman and Max start to take revenge on each other.  I think, though, that when Max cuts Herman's brakes, and when Herman runs over Max's bike, that's where things take a turn for the worse.  The music -- one of the things I remember most -- was perfectly chosen.  The problem is, the actions of these two characters go over the top and for a minute, these two lose me, and become caricatures.  I can understand a fifteen-year-old acting in this way, and even an old man like Herman, but for the purposes of comedy, it just doesn't work once it becomes not only mean-spirited but life threatening.  At that point, it's just not funny anymore, even though the handling of the scene where Herman describes Max to the police is excellent.  The film does redeem itself in spades in the final act, with the production and performance of Max's final play, Max's interaction with Margaret, and the reappearance of all the supporting cast, among other things.

i just realized out of the original 30 films i nominated, only one made it onto the top 15; Magnolia.  i guess my tastes are not coinciding with those of this board as well as i thought.

Which reminds me, when can people list off what they voted for in the top 10 and/or 30?

Onomatopoeia wrote:

QuoteI can understand a fifteen-year-old acting in this way, and even an old man like Herman, but for the purposes of comedy, it just doesn't work once it becomes not only mean-spirited but life threatening. At that point, it's just not funny anymore, even though the handling of the scene where Herman describes Max to the police is excellent. The film does redeem itself in spades in the final act, with the production and performance of Max's final play, Max's interaction with Margaret, and the reappearance of all the supporting cast, among other things.

nice argument :)

Quote from: themodernage02i just realized out of the original 30 films i nominated, only one made it onto the top 15; Magnolia.  i guess my tastes are not coinciding with those of this board as well as i thought.

I'm surprised you remember your 30.  I remember that a few of mine were on the list, but those are the main ones I'm sure of.

a few more stats...

how similar ours is to Sight And Sound
6 from the Critics Poll were nominated, but 4 were chosen...
- 2001, Vertigo, Citizen Kane, Godfather, 8 1/2, Singin' in the Rain
6 from the Directors Poll were nominated, but 5 were chosen...
- Seven Samurai, Vertigo, Dr Strangelove, 8 1/2, The Godfather, Citizen Kane

of the foreign films nominated, which there were 5 total (i believe), 4 made the cut: 400 Blows, 8 1/2, My Life to Live, Seven Samurai.  (Amelie did not.)

the oldest film on this list was Citizen Kane (1941) and the newest, Punch-Drunk Love (2002).  and chronologically... Seven Samurai (1954), Vertigo (1958), 400 Blows (1959), My Life To Live (1962), 8 1/2 (1963), Dr. Strangelove (1964), 2001 (1968), A Clockwork Orange (1971).  Taxi Driver (1976), Pulp Fiction (1994), Fight Club (1999), Magnolia (1999), Mulholland Dr. (2001).
that makes the SIXTIES! the most popular decade for films with FOUR films on the list.  40's - 1.  50's - 3. 60's - 4. 70's - 2. 80's - 0. 90's - 3. 00's - 2.
i thought the seventies was the golden era?  and oh where was my beloved eighties with all the movies i grew up with?

obviously, MAGNOLIA, duh!  brilliant!  brilliant!  brilliant!

Quote from: CinephileWhich reminds me, when can people list off what they voted for in the top 10 and/or 30?

Go for it.

1. Magnolia
2. Taxi Driver
3. Vivre sa vie (My Life To Live)
4. 8 1/2
5. Raging Bull
6. Glengarry Glen Ross
7. A Clockwork Orange
8. Ghostbusters
9. Walkabout
10. The Conformist
11. Apocalypse Now
12. LA Confidential
13. Salesman
14. American Movie
15. Boogie Nights
16. Jackie Brown
17. Zelig
18. The Last Temptation of Christ
19. Buffalo '66
20. Brazil
21. Catch 22
22. Amarcord
23. Carnal Knowledge
24. Short Cuts
25. The Big Lebowski
26. Badlands
27. Days Of Heaven
28. Fight Club
29. The Third Man
30. The Big Deal On Madonna Street

(no particular order after the first ten)

Aliens
Amelie
Annie Hall
Apartment, The
Army Of Darkness
Batman (1989)
Big Trouble In Little China
Casablanca
CQ
Empire Strikes Back, The
ET: The Extra Terrestrial
Eyes Wide Shut
Forrest Gump
Good The Bad And The Ugly, The
Goodfellas
Good Will Hunting
Great Expectations (1998)
It's A Wonderful Life
Jerry Maguire
Kill Bill: Volume One
La Dolce Vita
Magnolia
Moulin Rouge! (2001)
Raising Arizona
Rear Window (1954)
Rio Bravo
Rushmore
Total Recall
Touch Of Evil
Toy Story

i think this list shows how young we are, maybe if we'd be 40, Citizen Kane, or Seven Samurai, or 8 1/2 will be number one, and this list'd have been like many others, i mean not at all special, even so i'd put Apocalypse Now or Psycho instead of Fight Club and PDL (i really liked this movie but i don't think it's better than other master pieces)

1-Annie Hall
2-Mullholand Drive
3-Casablanca
4-Blue Velvet
5-C'era una volta il West
6-Citizen Kane
7-The Royal Tenenbaums
8-High Fidelity
9-Manhattan
10-Adaptation
11-One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
12-Brazil
13-Best in Show
14-The Godfather
15-Matrix Reloaded
16-Wu Ho Cang Long (Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon)
17-Vertigo
18-Punch Drunk Love
19-Stranger than Paradise
20-Down by Law
21-Amelie
22-Lion in Winter
23-Rashomon
24-Princess Mononoke
25-Hard Boiled
26-Ghost Dog
27-Wong Fei-Hung (Once Upon a Time in China)
28-Dragon Inn
29-The Killer
30-Talented Mr Ripley

Quote from: Pas Rapport8-High Fidelity

A very good little movie that doesn't get the respect it deserves (I think because all the brits are still pissed off at the location change).

My top 30.  Sometimes I question my some of these choices.  It was so hard to narrow it down.  My top 10 in bold, rank in parenthesis.

12 Angry Men
25th Hour
American Beauty
Annie Hall (7)
Big Lebowski, The (9)
Boogie Nights
Clockwork Orange, A (10)
Contact
Dancer in the Dark
Donnie Darko (8 )
Eyes Wide Shut (6)
Fabuleux destin d’Amélie Poulain, Le (5)
Fight Club  (3)
Groundhog Day
Hard Eight
Ice Storm, The
Lost in Translation
Magnolia (1)
Princess Bride, The
Pulp Fiction (4)
Punch-Drunk Love (2)
Ran
Requiem for a Dream
Shawshank Redemption, The
Singin' in the Rain
Storytelling
Waking Life
When Harry Met Sally...
Wizard of Oz, The
Wonder Boys

Quote from: themodernage02a few more stats...

how similar ours is to Sight And Sound
6 from the Critics Poll were nominated, but 4 were chosen...
- 2001, Vertigo, Citizen Kane, Godfather, 8 1/2, Singin' in the Rain
6 from the Directors Poll were nominated, but 5 were chosen...
- Seven Samurai, Vertigo, Dr Strangelove, 8 1/2, The Godfather, Citizen Kane

I think JB's original fear of our list replicating that list has been met. I really don't like it at all.

Quote from: themodernage02of the foreign films nominated, which there were 5 total (i believe), 4 made the cut: 400 Blows, 8 1/2, My Life to Live, Seven Samurai.  (Amelie did not.)

That's insane. Amelie seemed like the only one out of the bunch that really was represented with discussion and love from the forum. I'll even go out on a limb and say the 400 Blows prolly wasn't discussed anywhere here in the last 6 months.

Quote from: themodernage02that makes the SIXTIES! the most popular decade for films with FOUR films on the list.  40's - 1.  50's - 3. 60's - 4. 70's - 2. 80's - 0. 90's - 3. 00's - 2.
i thought the seventies was the golden era?  and oh where was my beloved eighties with all the movies i grew up with?

For World Cinema and not just Indepedent American films, the 60s are more of a Golden era. The only major foreign filmmaker (that I can think of) who progressed from the 60s to the 70s was Ingmar Bergman.

..... 8) damn.... those are some good lists

here is my 30...then my top 10in bold.........in parentheis..come the order of "bestness"


8 1/2
2001: A Space Odyssey
Adaptation(10)
American Beauty
Amores Perros
Apocalypse Now: Redux
Blue Velvet(7)
Dead Ringers
Eyes Wide Shut(8.)
Fargo
The Godfather I
The Godfather II(6)
The Ice Storm
Irreversible
Jackie Brown(4)
JFK
Leaving Las Vegas
The Lord of the Rings:  Fellowship of the Ring(3)
Magnolia(5)
Mulholland Dr.(2)
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Requiem for a Dream(1)
The Shining(9)
Spirited Away
Talk to Her
The Thin Red Line
Traffic
Twin Peaks:  Fire Walk With Me
What's Eating Gilbert Grape?
Wonder Boys

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Quote from: themodernage02a few more stats...

how similar ours is to Sight And Sound
6 from the Critics Poll were nominated, but 4 were chosen...
- 2001, Vertigo, Citizen Kane, Godfather, 8 1/2, Singin' in the Rain
6 from the Directors Poll were nominated, but 5 were chosen...
- Seven Samurai, Vertigo, Dr Strangelove, 8 1/2, The Godfather, Citizen Kane

I think JB's original fear of our list replicating that list has been met. I really don't like it at all.

Quote from: themodernage02of the foreign films nominated, which there were 5 total (i believe), 4 made the cut: 400 Blows, 8 1/2, My Life to Live, Seven Samurai.  (Amelie did not.)

That's insane. Amelie seemed like the only one out of the bunch that really was represented with discussion and love from the forum. I'll even go out on a limb and say the 400 Blows prolly wasn't discussed anywhere here in the last 6 months.

Quote from: themodernage02that makes the SIXTIES! the most popular decade for films with FOUR films on the list.  40's - 1.  50's - 3. 60's - 4. 70's - 2. 80's - 0. 90's - 3. 00's - 2.
i thought the seventies was the golden era?  and oh where was my beloved eighties with all the movies i grew up with?

For World Cinema and not just Indepedent American films, the 60s are more of a Golden era. The only major foreign filmmaker (that I can think of) who progressed from the 60s to the 70s was Ingmar Bergman.

Fellini made Amarcord in the 70's.
Kubrick progressed pretty well, too.

Quote from: SoNowThenFellini made Amarcord in the 70's.
Kubrick progressed pretty well, too.

Fellini did make Amarcord, but career-wise, I don't think he progressed at all. His bad/good film ratio in the 70s is pretty high. To save a large Kubrick argument, let me just say he's American and outside my original argument.

My original 30 are in alphabetical order (I thought this was how we were requested to submit them...?). Also, I ended up voting for some in the final run that were not in my original 30.

All About Eve

Barton Fink

Battleship Potemkin

Being There

Blow Out

Citizen Kane

Clockwork Orange, A

Female Trouble

Godfather Part II, The

Grand Illusion

High and Low

Husbands and Wives

Jules and Jim

Last Picture Show, The

L'Avventura

M

Magnolia

Mulholland Drive

My Life to Live (Vivre sa Vie)

Naked

Nights of Cabiria

Orpheus

Passion of Joan of Arc, The (1925)

Persona

Pickpocket

The Sacrifice

Safe

Sullivan's Travels

Taxi Driver

Vertigo

1. A Clockwork Orange
2. Back to the Future
3. Barton Fink
4. Bringing Out the Dead
5. Casino
6. Cinema Paradiso (director's cut, 2002)
7. Dr. Strangelove
8. Ghost Busters
9. Goodfellas
10. I am Cuba
11. Insomnia (2002)
12. Kill Bill
13. Magnolia
14. Memento
15. Monty Python and the Holy Grail
16. Pulp Fiction
17. Punch Drunk Love
18. Raising Arizona
19. Requiem for a Dream
20. Seven Samurai
21. Seventh Seal
22. Shawshank Redemption
23. Taxi Driver
24. The Big Lebowski
25. The Elephant Man
26. The Talented Mr. Ripley
27. This is Spinal Tap
28. Waiting for Guffman
29. Yojimbo
30. Young Frankenstein

Changed two of my top ten to Fellowship of the Ring and Psycho

1 Adaptation
2 Amelie
3 American History X
4 Being John Malkovich
5 Big Lebowski
6 Boogie Nights
7 Citizen Kane
8 Clerks
9 Clockwork Orange
10 Donnie Darko
11 Dr. Strangelove or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Bomb
12 Fear and Loathing In Las Vegas
13 Fight Club
14 Full Metal Jacket
15 Kill Bill Volume 1
16 Magnolia
17 Memento
19 Office Space
20 One Hour Photo
21 Pulp Fiction
22 Requiem for a Dream
23 Royal Tenenbaums
24 Rushmore
25 Se7en
26 SLC Punk
27 Snatch
28 Taxi Driver
29 This is Spinal Tap
30 Waking Life

1. 2001: A Space Odyssey
2. 8 1/2
3. Aguirre, The Wrath of God
4. Annie Hall
5. Apocalypse Now
6. Belle de Jour
7. Breathless
8. Casablanca
9. Citizen Kane
10. The Decalogue
11. Gates of Heaven
12. The General
13. Grave of the Fireflies
14. Intolerance
15. La Dolce Vita
16. Lawrence of Arabia
17. McCabe & Mrs. Miller
18. Nashville
19. The Passion of Joan of Arc
20. Persona
21. The Producers
22. Raging Bull
23. Rashomon
24. Seven Samurai
25. Seventh Seal
26. Singin' in the Rain
27. Stroszek
28. Taxi Driver
29. The Third Man
30. Tokyo Story

id have to say pulp friction up the butt i like it alllllllot.

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4. Bringing Out the Dead
11. Insomnia (2002)
26. The Talented Mr. Ripley

...good choices.......especially Insomnia....

Spirited Away
Princess Mononoke
Finding Nemo
Red (1994)
Chocolat (1989)
Whale Rider
Schindler's List
Grave of the Fireflies
George Washington
Punch-Drunk Love
The Bourne Identity
Die Hard
The Good, The Bad & The Ugly
Yojimbo
City of God
JFK
How I Won the War
Dr. Strangelove
Sherlock, Jr.
Ran
High and Low
L'Avventura
Persona
8 1/2
Citizen Kane
Grand Illusion
West Side Story
Swing Time
Singin' in the Rain
The Hustler

thats a fuckin great list

Why the hell didn'T Annie Hall make it ? ! everyobdy had it in iT's top ... wierd

....GT...solid list.....

its nice to see you like JFK..Stone's best IMO.....

12 Angry Men (1957)
All the President's Men
Babe (1995)
Boogie Nights
Casablanca
Citizen Kane
Do The Right Thing
The Empire Strikes Back
E.T.
Glory (1989)
His Girl Friday
Hotaru no haka (Grave of the Fireflies) (1988)
The Hustler (1961)
Ikiru (1952)
Il Posto
Jerry Maguire
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
Magnolia
Monsters Inc.
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Night of the Living Dead (1968)
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Rocky
The Shawshank Redemption
Shichinin no samurai (1954)
Star Wars
The Thin Blue Line (1988)
Three Kings (1999)
Treasure of the Sierra Madre
Vertigo

Happy New Year, everyone!

400 Blows, The
Annie Hall
All the Real Girls
Band of Outsiders
Breathless
City Lights
Clockwork Orange, A
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Dazed and Confused
Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
East of Eden
Elephant Man, The
George Washington
Hannah and Her Sisters
Jackie Brown
Jules and Jim
Last Picture Show, The
Magnolia
Melvin and Howard
Modern Times
Pulp Fiction
Punch-Drunk Love
Raging Bull
Say Anything
Sex, Lies, and Videotape
Singin' In the Rain
Straw Dogs
Sunset Boulevard
Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The
Vertigo

Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
Big Lebowski
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Big Lebowski



Didn't seem to work though

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I LOVE how everything turned out :!:  :!:  :!:

I'm still in shock over how good the list turned out. I'm more than pleased in the results.

Who COULDN'T love this list?

i concur, but i'm ashamed to admit that i haven't seen about 4 of these.

i'm jealous :( everybody is making their lists, so here is mine:

8 ½    6
Akira Kurosawa's Dreams
All about Eve
Apocalypse Now
Barton Fink
Blue
Buena Vista Social Club
Citizen Kane 5
Faraway, So Close
Godfather I
Godfather II
Goodfellas
JFK
Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring
Magnolia 1
Martin H
Modern Times
Mulholland Drive 8
Psycho
Pulp Fiction 3
Quiz Show
Ran
Rashomon
Rear Window
Rope
Seven Samurai 10
Schindler’s List
Shopping at Tiffanys
Sunset Boulevard
Vertigo 9

1. American Graffitti
2. Annie Hall
3. Apocalypse Now
4. Bridge On The River Kwai, The
5. Citizen Kane - 2
6. Clockwork Orange, A - 3
7. Do The Right Thing
8. Double Indemnity
9. Fargo - 10
10. Fight Club - 4
11. Godfather, The - 9
12. GoodFellas - 8
13. Jaws
14. JFK
15. Magnolia
16. Matrix, The
17. Mulholland Drive - 5
18. Once Upon A Time In The West
19. Psycho (1960)
20. Pulp Fiction - 6
21. Rebel Without A Cause
22. Requiem For A Dream - 7
23. Schindler's List
24. Seven Samurai
25. Silence Of The Lambs, The
26. Singin' In The Rain
27. Sunset Boulevard
28. Taxi Driver
29. Treasure Of The Sierra Madre, The
30. Vertigo - 1

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Quote from: Gambloren das Manhören
4. Bringing Out the Dead
11. Insomnia (2002)
26. The Talented Mr. Ripley

...good choices.......especially Insomnia....

Thanks, unfortunately I haven't seen the original version of Insomnia, I need to get on that posthaste.

In alphabetical order:

2001: A Space Odissey (1968)
Apocalypse Now (1979)
Big Lebowski, The (1998)
Black Cat, White Cat (1998)
Breaking the Waves (1996)
Citizen Kane (1941)
Clockwork Orange, A (1971)
Dancer in the Dark (2000)
Elephant Man, The (1980)
Europa (1991)
Kill Bill: Vol.1 (2003)
Lost Highway (1997)
Magnolia (1999)
Mulholland Dr. (2001)
Mutants, The (1998)
Paris, Texas (1984)
Pulp Fiction (1994)
Seventh Seal, The (1957)
Shanghai Triad (1995)
Shining, The (1980)
Solaris (1972)
Unbearable Lightness of Being, The (1988)
Underground (1995)
Virgin Spring, The (1960)

8 1/2
2001: a space odyssey
all about my mother
apocalypse now
barry lyndon
boogie nights
bowling for columbine
clockwork orange, a
dancer in the dark
dr. strangelove
eyes wide shut
full frontal
full metal jacket
godfather, the
godfather part II
limey, the
lost highway
magnolia
man who wansn't there, the
mission: impossible
mulholland drive
pulp fiction
requiem for a dream
roger and me
rushmore
shining, the
spanish prisoner, the
this is spinal tap
titus
truman show, the

There are quite a few that I should've added in retrospect, but never thought of them.  

I'm surprised American Beauty never made it.

Quote from: Walrus, KooKookajoobI'm surprised American Beauty never made it.

I'm grateful.

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Quote from: Walrus, KooKookajoobI'm surprised American Beauty never made it.

I'm grateful.

You slut.

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Quote from: Comte de Saint Germain

Quote from: Walrus, KooKookajoobI'm surprised American Beauty never made it.

I'm grateful.

You slut.

tosser.

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Quote from: Walrus, KooKookajoobI'm surprised American Beauty never made it.

I'm grateful.

You slut.

tosser.

Shut the fuck up, you're out of your element.

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Quote from: Comte de Saint Germain

Quote from: Walrus, KooKookajoobI'm surprised American Beauty never made it.

I'm grateful.

You slut.

tosser.

Shut the fuck up, you're out of your element.

You're just trying to excuse a lame comeback.

No, I just dont' feel like wasting time on you.  

Which is what I'm sure your parents said to each other before thay got drunk and conceived you.

Quote from: Walrus, KooKookajoobNo, I just dont' feel like wasting time on you.  

Which is what I'm sure your parents said to each other before thay got drunk and conceived you.

You don't have to low ball the jokes, especially when they are still dumb. Or: you're serious and its really a bad comeback.

Ok, take this as a bad comeback, just stop wasting this thread space with your stupidities.  I apologize for posting those as well, and as for the joke I said about your parents, I still find it hurmorous.  

I'm sure you'll understand it one day when you find out what sex is.

Take your shoes off at the door.

Wow. That was pointless.

Quote from: Walrus, KooKookajoobI apologize for posting those as well

Quote from: Walrus, KooKookajoobI'm sure you'll understand it one day when you find out what sex is.

better apologize again.

It's finally time for the Xixax Awards nominations (http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=5182). There's not much time!

What a cool list, really.......very xixax

I have one complain though...I haven't read all the posts so I don't know if anyone has brought this up but:

WHERE THE HELL IS THE BIG LEBOWSKI???

I could take out PDL or Fight Club for Lebowski...that's just me...

So I'm a little late but I finally got to look at this list (since i'm back at school and away from Dialup!).

Some thoughts on it...

1.  Not a huge fan of Dr Strangelove being on it, I really don't think the film has aged well.

2. Extremely happy for the French New Wave Films.

3. Many complain about PDL, my prediction is in 5 years PDL will be liked more than Magnolia on this board.

4. Fight Club, not a top 15 movie.

If someone is interested in seeing the films I voted for, PM me and I'll message them to you.
5. Is it just me or is 8 1/2 the chic foreign film to love/

Quote from: SHAFTR5. Is it just me or is 8 1/2 the chic foreign film to love/

Or it could be that it's just a really fucking great movie, and people who like movies can easily realize that.

Jeremy Blackman is my hero.

He made up a totally new word (http://www.google.com/search?q=DEKAPENTICON&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&filter=0).

Excellent!

Quote from: XaxixJeremy Blackman is my hero.

He made up a totally new word (http://www.google.com/search?q=DEKAPENTICON&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&filter=0).

Excellent!

hahahahaha  yeah i searched for it too

Quote from: XaxixJeremy Blackman is my hero.

He made up a totally new word (http://www.google.com/search?q=DEKAPENTICON&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&filter=0).

Excellent!

Funny thing is that it takes you to the total post by user, SNT is the first and I'm second from top to bottom.

Quote from: SHAFTR1.  Not a huge fan of Dr Strangelove being on it, I really don't think the film has aged well.

are u kidding? i saw it last week and couldn't believe how relevant and fresh it was.

Quote from: SHAFTR3. Many complain about PDL, my prediction is in 5 years PDL will be liked more than Magnolia on this board.

i seriously doubt that.

Quote from: SHAFTR5. Is it just me or is 8 1/2 the chic foreign film to love/

no actually it's been cool to love it since the day it was released.

I agree with P on all three points. Especially Strangelove... I forced a few Strangelove avatars on myself a few months ago because of its stunning relevence.

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanI agree with P on all three points. Especially Strangelove... I forced a few Strangelove avatars on myself a few months ago because of its stunning relevence.

Well, any anti-war/war satire will seem relevant during wartime. Strangelove is more of two big heads colliding instead of our current big guy picking on the littler guy war situation. Do I have the right general idea?

I think Dr. Strangelove should be on there. I seriously watched just two nights ago after having not seen it in a few years, and I thought it was hee-larious. I will say PDL probably should not be on there, in place of....I dunno....was there a Coen movie on there? I don't recall one. The only other thing I question is whether Vertigo should be the representative Hitchcock film in the list. Oh, and Fight Club really does not belong on the list at all, either. And for whoever said it shouldn't be on the list, I think Mulholland Dr. should be on, because it's the best Lynch I've seen, and God help us if Lynch isn't anywhere on the list. God help us.

i think the only thing that list lacks is a Corleone.

Man, I just saw Amelie again tonight on the big screen in a practically-full theatre.  Talk about a perfect film.  Got to me just as much as it did the first time.  The first 15-20 minutes of this film rival that of Magnolia's in its brilliance (narration used to great effect, the intros of characters, all the little things in life that people don't notice, great character development, etc.), and its score is just the most beautiful thing I've ever heard.  I'm posting this here just to reiterate my astonishment that, with the number of people who I know love this film, it (and The Big Lebowski) didn't place in the list.  So yeah.

Also, Ghostboy, you're one of the people I was anticipating reading their picks from, yet you didn't post a list.  Will you?  Anyone else, feel free.  I need all the recommendations I can get.

I never participated in the first round of voting...I guess I was too busy counting everyone else's (I do know, though, that The Decalogue would have ranked very high on my ballot, along with Discreet Charm Of The Bourgoisie). Man, that seems like forever ago now. Anyway, I did cull my favorite ten from the list of fifty, and they are (predictably):

1. 2001
2. Do the Right Thing
3. Pulp Fiction
4. Citizen Kane
5. Singin' In The Rain
6. Taxi Driver
7. Apocalypse now
8. 8 1/2
9. Magnolia
10. The Empire Strikes Back

I remember that I made the last minute decision to remove Vertigo and add ESB.

Actually, I was rather shocked at how many of the fifty choices I had yet to see...nearly a third of them, if I remember correctly. I really need to get in the habit of watching more DVDs!

It's time to vote for the Xixax Awards.

http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=5182&start=176

Never got around to posting, but here are my top ten of all time, followed by my top ten in accordance with the nominated films....

My list (in no particular order):

Magnolia
Rope
Harold and Maude
Blue Velvet
The Apartment
Taxi Driver
Dr. Strangelove
Straw Dogs
Tape
Dancer in the Dark

List from Noms:

1. Magnolia
2. Dr. Strangelove
3. Taxi Driver
4. Vertigo
5. Goodfellas
6. Blue Velvet
7. Eyes Wide Shut
8. Apocolypse Now
9. Do the Right Thing
10. Rushmore

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i just watched this and i didnt care for it.  i'd be interested in hearing why you loved it though.  

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetSwing Time

i watched this recently and i loved it.  i had always thought it was from cinephiles list though.

in case anyone was wondering why i resurrected this thread, i kept a list of all the films voted for that i had not seen and have been trying to see them since last year.  

This is the XIXAX awards I really was looking forward to. Just looking over my list, I realized I could write up basically an entire new list of films. I think I'll only repeat for my top 5 favorites. Anyone else going to try to create an entirely new list at all?

Also, how long do we have to vote for this? I'd like to give some titles another viewing to see if I think they belong.

That is a good idea, mod.  I hope to see a lot of the stuff recommended this year, and make a mostly new, more diverse list as well (like GT).

Quote from: wantautopia?That is a good idea, mod.  I hope to see a lot of the stuff recommended this year, and make a mostly new, more diverse list as well (like GT).

I think it is too soon to do another Top Movies of All Time.  Perhaps we should shake it up with something different.  Top Films of a Particular Decade (start with 90s).  Or top filmmakers of all time.

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Quote from: wantautopia?That is a good idea, mod.  I hope to see a lot of the stuff recommended this year, and make a mostly new, more diverse list as well (like GT).

Perhaps we should shake it up with something different.  Top Films of a Particular Decade (start with 90s).

That's a great idea.

Actually, that's a horrible idea.  Revisiting the Dekapenticon every year should be a tradition here.  It's like our Sight & Sound list.

Quote from: wantautopia?

Quote from: Pi didn't think the XIXAX DEKAPENTICON would be an annual event.

Why not?  Opinions change.  New movies get released.  Older movies devalue over time or age well.

Quote from: Pubrickit'll be nice to see how the board matures, but that's about all u can tell from it.

  sure, another DEKAPENTICON would be fine.

Quote from: wantautopia?Actually, that's a horrible idea.  Revisiting the Dekapenticon every year should be a tradition here.  It's like our Sight & Sound list.

Quote from: wantautopia?

Quote from: Pi didn't think the XIXAX DEKAPENTICON would be an annual event.

Why not?  Opinions change.  New movies get released.  Older movies devalue over time or age well.

Quote from: Pubrickit'll be nice to see how the board matures, but that's about all u can tell from it.

  sure, another DEKAPENTICON would be fine.

Well, a decade by decade list would reveal and suggest more movies than a simple best ever list.

Quote from: SHAFTR

Quote from: wantautopia?That is a good idea, mod.  I hope to see a lot of the stuff recommended this year, and make a mostly new, more diverse list as well (like GT).

I think it is too soon to do another Top Movies of All Time.  Perhaps we should shake it up with something different.  Top Films of a Particular Decade (start with 90s).  Or top filmmakers of all time.

I think the time between is perfect. For a film board, a year is a long time of existence. No one knows when a hobby like this will fade to the background or not. Senior members here haven't been coming really that long and some already have gone other ways. Making this an annual thing documents not only the shifting of the board, but also the personal shifting of each person to what movies really speak for them at the moment. My list last year was personal, but it was also very general for the films I thought should be appreciated. Now that I'm going to not repeat besides my very very favorite, I know this list will be even more personal. But hey, some people can make it easy by just repeating last year's nominations if they still believe in them wholeheartedly.

Quote from: SHAFTRWell, a decade by decade list would reveal and suggest more movies than a simple best ever list.

Quality over quantity.  GT summed it up perfectly.  The Dekapenticon is so good because it's all-encompassing.  Everyone names 30 then we settle on 15.  With that many films to choose from, you'd be hard pressed not to find 10 films from each decade represented, all the way back to the 20s (well, not so much the 20s-40s, but maybe a few from there).  Maybe this year everyone will be off their trendy kicks (obscure Godard film of the week, P-DL worship, though I love it).  We may see new trends, sure.  But we'll also have an even better representation of films that stand the test of time in Xixaxers' eyes.

Quote from: wantautopia?

Quote from: SHAFTRWell, a decade by decade list would reveal and suggest more movies than a simple best ever list.

Quality over quantity.  GT summed it up perfectly.  The Dekapenticon is so good because it's all-encompassing.  Everyone names 30 then we settle on 15.  With that many films to choose from, you'd be hard pressed not to find 10 films from each decade represented, all the way back to the 20s (well, not so much the 20s-40s, but maybe a few from there).  Maybe this year everyone will be off their trendy kicks (obscure Godard film of the week, P-DL worship, though I love it).  We may see new trends, sure.  But we'll also have an even better representation of films that stand the test of time in Xixaxers' eyes.

maybe not have Magnolia at #1?

Why not?  It's the best film of all time.

But it would be cool to analyze the best of each decade, maybe see how the 10 best of each stack up against each other, or just how they represent their own decades...

Quote from: WalrusBut it would be cool to analyze the best of each decade, maybe see how the 10 best of each stack up against each other, or just how they represent their own decades...

I know another site that does it. The problem is that it is being too list happy for your own good. They realize its too long to wait to do one decade a year so they do a decade every few months. What happens is that many members just get busy during certain months and talk about how they are scrambling to just think of titles to get their selection of films done so they can just be part of it. It makes people care about the lists less overall because who gives a fuck if they miss a decade or two. And if you do all the decades at once, you are almost asking for the impossible. Too many titles to think of and organize. I'm almost spellbound how some people can continually change and update a top ten list all the time. Its hard enough doing it once a year.

Quote from: WalrusJust like we did with the Dekapenticon, we should do that for different decades of film like... 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s... I feel like the Dekapenticon was a little too comprehensive and overlooked a bunch of movies, due to how overwhelming the "movies of all time" was to compile.

Though I don't know if the people who usually tally and count them up would want to, and I'm not trying to put something on them, I just think it would be cool.  We could start out with 60's, go through that and get those top 10 of the 60's or something, then more on the the 70's, etc.

Whaddya think?

plus, its arbitrary starting at the 60's, since none of us were probably born before the 70's anyways.  why not start at in the 50's? or 40's?  or the 20's?  the reason is because not enough of us have seen enough movies from the decades before we were born yet. and the only things that would be on those lists would (for the most part) be regurgitated from other lists and reassembled.  citizen kane, 8 1/2 etc.  its hard enough for most people to have a good knowledge about what came out 10 years ago, let alone 10 decades ago.

It was said earlier in the thread that favorites wouldn't change much over a year, and I don't know about everyone else, but I wonder how another Dekapenticon would turn out since my favorites from then have changed quite a bit.

The board is jumping with more enthusiasm for movies. This should happen. Xixax can pull this off well.

Quote from: The Gold Trumpet on November 08, 2005, 02:51:31 PM
The board is jumping with more enthusiasm for movies. This should happen. Xixax can pull this off well.

I second the motion.

Brazoliange supporting something is actually a point against.

Lets do the top 15 movies of the last 15 years. 

Quote from: JimmyGator on November 08, 2005, 08:55:39 PM
Lets do the top 15 movies of the last 15 years. 

or top 5 movies of each of the last 4 decades.
60s, 70, 80s & 90s.

the top 1 movie of the last 1 minute. 

Let's disqualify PTA movies in the voting.

that'd be like disqualifying Jesus as Best Son of God.

Quote from: SHAFTR on November 08, 2005, 09:04:52 PM
or top 5 movies of each of the last 4 decades.
60s, 70, 80s & 90s.

I agree.

Quote from: w a l r u s on November 08, 2005, 10:58:09 PM

Quote from: SHAFTR on November 08, 2005, 09:04:52 PM
or top 5 movies of each of the last 4 decades.
60s, 70, 80s & 90s.

I agree.

I actually like the idea, but c'mon, we could dig for a top ten in each decade. People would be allow to nominate ten and since everyone will be picking different films, a top 15 of the most selected films will be accumulated for final vote and people pick their 5 favorite, in order.

I still rather the original idea. We can keep with the trend to see how taste has progressed on the board.

I figured we could run the decades to try something newer to see a wider spread of movies just as a contingency plan so that we don't end up with the same list as last time.

Quote from: w a l r u s on November 08, 2005, 11:12:20 PM
I figured we could run the decades to try something newer to see a wider spread of movies just as a contingency plan so that we don't end up with the same list as last time.

Yea, I kinda worry we would just have the same list as before, too. OK, Shaftr's idea fully endorsed. I also think we could include every decade, starting with 1920s. I'm sure people could vote that well. And a top 5 for this new decade.

Now there's an idea!

Though, to be honest, I think 20's-50's might be tricky... for me, at least. I know I've seen movies in that time frame, but it won't be as easy as something like the 80's, 90's or 00's.

Quote from: w a l r u s on November 08, 2005, 11:20:48 PM
Now there's an idea!

Though, to be honest, I think 20's-50's might be tricky... for me, at least. I know I've seen movies in that time frame, but it won't be as easy as something like the 80's, 90's or 00's.

Everyone will have the same problem. People can nominate as many as they are comfortable nominating. Not the required 10. Its just the diversity of selections still likely should be enough for a final vote.

i fully endorse modage's idea.

Quote from: The Gold Trumpet on November 08, 2005, 11:23:41 PM

Quote from: w a l r u s on November 08, 2005, 11:20:48 PM
Now there's an idea!

Though, to be honest, I think 20's-50's might be tricky... for me, at least. I know I've seen movies in that time frame, but it won't be as easy as something like the 80's, 90's or 00's.

Everyone will have the same problem. People can nominate as many as they are comfortable nominating. Not the required 10. Its just the diversity of selections still likely should be enough for a final vote.

Well, I say we start with the present and work backwards.  That would make 90s > 60s fairly easy for everyone.  After that we can begin working on the more difficult decades of <50s.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetYea, I kinda worry we would just have the same list as before, too. OK, Shaftr's idea fully endorsed.

wow, that fast? just because we're worrying the list is going to be the same? isnt it a nice experiment to see HOW the list changes? personally, my own list would be entirely different. i think we've all grown each year as movie lovers and our lists would likely reflect that now.

its been 2 years, folks. you guys really think it would remain the same?

yeah what cine said.

this idea only works or has any relevance if it's another Dekapenticon, not some random decades list. that would be completely meaningless. the point is to compare the ultimate list with the old one. otherwise it's just another pointless list of decades with no relation to what we established originally.

i would support a dekapenticon.

Quote from: Pubrick on November 09, 2005, 12:40:26 AM

i would support a dekapenticon.

as would I, but at the same time i'm not opposed to a different list.

MODIFY:  also, the 2004 list doesn't show up anymore since the image files are dead, can someone post the 2004 results?

don't be fooled by the name, we still have an edit button.. (https://xixax.com/Themes/default/images/english/modify.gif)

Quote from: w a l r u $ on January 07, 2004, 03:20:02 PM
1.magnolia - magnificent, and you'd be a fool to think this wouldn't be number one.

2.  2001 - sounds right

3. pulp fiction - people keep saying it's too high on the list, and how could that be?  If so many people had it on their lists, it ended up here, it obviously deserves its number

4.  taxi driver - same as pulp fiction

5. citizen kane - definitely a moving film that had to be on the list somewhere

6.  8 1/2 - still haven't seen it...

7.  my life to live - still haven't seen in it...

8.  mulholland drive - a masterpiece like this deserved to be on it somewhere

9.  vertigo - same as mulholland drive

10  seven samurai - didn't like it the first time i saw it, guess i'll see it again

11  punch drunk love - same as pulp fiction

12  dr.  strangelove - definitely needed to have some comedies in the top 15, because we could always use some laughing

13  400 blows - still haven't seen it

14 fight club - same as pulp fiction.  i'm getting pretty sick of all the fight club bashing, fact is: it was well made, had a great story, and touches face on a lot of things so very true.  I think I'm defending Palahniuk more than Fincher here, though...

15 a clockwork orange - i didn't see it immediately didn't see it in the top 10 and was surprised.  scrolled down some and boom, there it was and put a smile on my face.   good work to those who made the banners.

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As for doing this yearly, I doubt it would be a good idea UNLESS you said pick the top 15, aside from the 15 listed above.  Because I'm more than sure the list will change, but not much.  Classics are classics.

Walrus and Neon did courteous responces.

Quote from: w a l r u $ on January 07, 2004, 03:20:02 PM

6.  8 1/2 - still haven't seen it...

7.  my life to live - still haven't seen in it...

10  seven samurai - didn't like it the first time i saw it, guess i'll see it again

13  400 blows - still haven't seen it

Man, yesterday's Walrus was a loser.

Quote from: DEKAPENTICON
1.magnolia
2.  2001
3. pulp fiction
4.  taxi driver
5. citizen kane
6.  8 1/2
7.  my life to live
8.  mulholland drive
9.  vertigo
10  seven samurai
11  punch drunk love
12  dr.  strangelove
13  400 blows
14 fight club
15 a clockwork orange

I bolded those who I think would surely stay on a 2010-2011 list and italics for doubtfuls... nothing for absolutely sure they are out..........

That list wasn't so much representative of the board when we think about it? Or maybe it was back then...

We should do one of these again and set a summer deadline. Maybe we could have some required viewing. It could help create discussion.

I think so too, and the required viewing idea is good.

I think a new one would be much more interesting... this one is weird, I don't like it so much... Citizen Kane and 8½ number 5-6? Really? I mean are we the fucking AFI?

I also think in a new one, there would be a shitload more titles named. Like infinite ties at 1-2 votes. This would mean if you want to push your original choice in the top, you better get it seen! that'd be pretty cool... I'd sure campaign the shiiiitt out of Come And See

At the time of this list we were all big giant dorks.

Now that I'm almost finished with film school, I can say that my entire list would change.  I'm positive that there would be an incredible facelift to the list, and I can only hope that Magnolia wouldn't win again, but stranger things have happened.

Magnolia wouldn't win. But CMBB would. PDL and Fight Club wouldn't be on the list, for sure. Actually, everything on that list might not be on it. Most of those choices are far too predictable and pedestrian for us snobs.

already didn't 4 years ago you know...

http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=8560.0


i agree that cmbb would take that spot now.

edit: added 2006 deka's pic for the lazy.

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I had forgotten about that Deka...

A lot better than the 2004 one, but not optimal yet. We skipped 2008 so we must do it in 2010 as a every-other-year thing.

I think leaving the list would be Apocalypse Now, Eternal Sunshine(might stick down there 13-15), Citizen Kane, Goodfellas, Vertigo??? (not sure since might just be a Hitchcock representative), 8 and a half... Taxi Driver would fall a bit... also Annie Hall (again not sure since mostly a Woody rep.)...

Yea, we're due for another Deka. I hate that There Will Be Blood would likely win because no film that recent should win anything on this level, but this board is still a 70% fan board for PTA so you can't escape that. The main thing I would hope for is variety with the other picks. 2006 was better than 2004, but the choices are still stiff and repetitive.

If we do it again, I'm going to campaign three films to death. I think in 2006, I was on a bandwagon to get 8 1/2 props and that had some success, but I think you can be behind a few films all the way and get people to actively consider voting for them. I wish other people would do the same for films that aren't shoe ins because we need some better films represented.

what are these 3 films you would campaign to death, out of curiosity?

Not sure, since I want to choose personal favorites, but I also want to choose films that stand a fighting chance with the crowd. Maybe 8 1/2, Persona and Citizen Kane? I know 8 1/2 and Kane placed on the 2006 list, but I imagine 8 1/2 would experience a drop off and Kane definitely needs to be higher.

I actually see it going the other way. I'd be amazed if Citizen Kane ranks this high again.

Quote from: polkablues on January 27, 2010, 06:47:30 PM
I actually see it going the other way. I'd be amazed if Citizen Kane ranks this high again.

I also fear that so double the reason to campaign for it.

Quote from: Gold Trumpet on January 27, 2010, 04:42:34 PM
I hate that There Will Be Blood would likely win because no film that recent should win anything on this level,

eternal sunshine was two years old when it ranked in the last deka. pdl was the latest pta and it didn't make the top 15.

according to your theory pdl should hav ranked much higher. but i the fact it didn't doesn't prove entirely that we are not pta-fanboys, that's obvious, but only that ppl still can only get behind well-established choices. no one has talked about 8.5 since it made that list. no one has probably even watched it. PDL and eternal ballshine would at least have been representative of our kinks.

CMBB would obviously place very high on the new one, and rightly so. i disagree that new films shouldn't win anything on an "all time" level. but that's only cos most ppl don't hav the balls to really get behind something new unless everyone else is saying it. isn't that the reason why when all those major directors were asked to say their favourite kubrick film, only like 2 or 3 said anything after Clockwork Orange? it's not cos his early films are the best,. it's cos the old ones are SAFE.

they are safe for 2 reasons which feed each other:
1. you don't hav to really try to convince anyone why they are classics, since they have years and years of hype behind them. you just hav to point to the hype.
2. if you want your favourite director to make the list the smart thing to do is to get behind their most conventional classic, the standard brilliant film they did -- not so much their most GENIUS film or their most inspired. you hav to play the odds even if you want to support Eyes Wide Shut.

even so, i really like the 06 list. the abundance of recent films at least are mostly original and representative choices of great taste. i ask myself if i would like a person if these were their whole collection. i would. i would think the 04 list is a boring idiot.

Quote from: ρ on January 28, 2010, 01:48:57 AM
eternal sunshine was two years old when it ranked in the last deka. pdl was the latest pta and it didn't make the top 15.

according to your theory pdl should hav ranked much higher. but i the fact it didn't doesn't prove entirely that we are not pta-fanboys, that's obvious, but only that ppl still can only get behind well-established choices. no one has talked about 8.5 since it made that list. no one has probably even watched it. PDL and eternal ballshine would at least have been representative of our kinks.

Yes, I would say PDL should rank higher, but that's only if I believed either film even deserved to make the list. I don't. I think Eternal was too new and PDL not even that great, but that's just me. My silence does not mean I was agreeing with everything.

I still think there is an overriding sense of PTA fandom to the list. Only two of his films make the list, but that's mainly because he only had made four films up until that point. A new list will mean that 3 out of 5 of his films will likely make the final list. Future lists will probably mean higher percentage of PTA films, but I've been to David Fincher forums that had all time lists and there was an overriding bias in the forum, but even people there agreed that Panic Room didn't measure up to Seven, Fight Club or even The Game. There doesn't have to be a total acceptance of everything a filmmaker does to say it's biased toward them.

Quote from: ρ on January 28, 2010, 01:48:57 AM
CMBB would obviously place very high on the new one, and rightly so. i disagree that new films shouldn't win anything on an "all time" level. but that's only cos most ppl don't hav the balls to really get behind something new unless everyone else is saying it. isn't that the reason why when all those major directors were asked to say their favourite kubrick film, only like 2 or 3 said anything after Clockwork Orange? it's not cos his early films are the best,. it's cos the old ones are SAFE.

I wouldn't pick any film as new as There Will Be Blood because every film has to age a little bit before they start making all time lists. It's easy to be overwhelmed by a film when it's released, but a lot of times they don't hold up to the original feelings. I think there is a bias to their new factor because it is newer and registers as more innovative, but that new appeal dies off and becomes something else after a while so there isn't an equality to viewing them in conjunction with older films.

Does that mean I feel films literally have to have dust on them to be voted? Not at all. I would vote films from 90s and early parts of 2000's because some age has defined them enough, but I couldn't pick something so new for anything all time. That's just me and should not influence anyone to do anything.  

Quote from: ρ on January 28, 2010, 01:48:57 AM
even so, i really like the 06 list. the abundance of recent films at least are mostly original and representative choices of great taste. i ask myself if i would like a person if these were their whole collection. i would. i would think the 04 list is a boring idiot.

3 films by Kubrick, 2 by Anderson and 2 by Scorsese. Three filmmakers make up almost half the list. I agree the list is better than the 04 one, but I don't think it's very good in general.

In general, I think that reflects the sort of middle-ground film fanboyism that Xixax as an entity tends to embrace.  The Ain't It Cool crowd fetishizes Spielberg and Lucas, the Sight & Sound readers fetishize Eisenstein and Renoir, and Xixax fetishizes Kubrick and PTA.  Are the Dekapenticons ever a truly objective ranking of the greatest films of all time?  Of course not.  They're a reflection what we as a group value in film, which typically falls squarely in the middle between pop and art-house.

Quote from: polkablues on January 28, 2010, 03:21:25 AM
In general, I think that reflects the sort of middle-ground film fanboyism that Xixax as an entity tends to embrace.  The Ain't It Cool crowd fetishizes Spielberg and Lucas, the Sight & Sound readers fetishize Eisenstein and Renoir, and Xixax fetishizes Kubrick and PTA.  Are the Dekapenticons ever a truly objective ranking of the greatest films of all time?  Of course not.  They're a reflection what we as a group value in film, which typically falls squarely in the middle between pop and art-house.

Absolutely. Agreed. I don't expect miracles, but it could have been a little better. That's all I'm asking for.

Quote from: ρ on January 28, 2010, 01:48:57 AMi disagree that new films shouldn't win anything on an "all time" level.

i think there's a lot to be said for perspective though, and not just being caught up in the fresh or zietgeisty feeling of a new film. how a film survives in your mind after a few years/upon revisiting at a different time in your life is an important factor in determining all-time goodness.

yeah i agree in principle, but it doesn't really make more sense to wait 2 years than to wait 5 or 10 or 20.

seeing William Gaddis mentioned in the What Are We Reading thread made me think about his books in relation to determining best films of all time. that dude wrote his masterpiece in 1955 only to wait 20 years before it got any recognition.. (pun there for the initiated). meanwhile his second novel got instant acclaim in 1975, which is what led to the first one being reassessed. now they're both considered probably among the best novels of the 20th century. the difference between the worlds of literary and cinematic appreciation is part of the point: why is it ok for literary circles to correctly herald a book an instant classic of all time and not do the same for a movie? at least in the case of Gaddis they corrected their mistake eventually and comfortably stood behind the new arrival.

so it shouldn't be out of the question to have watched 2001 in 1968 and thought jesus this is the absolute best thing that has ever been made. why wait ten years? that's just hedging your bets, like i said, being SAFE. kubrick is a fine example of course cos every one of his films has been misunderstood or underappreciated from the moment he started churning out masterpiece after masterpiece. and still ppl doubt the greatness of EWS.. madness! or just dullness.

i agree that the process of reassessment is never over. that much is obvious, you can say YES it's important to make these lists every 5 years cos our tastes will change. but everyone is saying that there is a MINIMUM cool-off period. i don't think so. if you wait a long time to make a statement, either everyone will hav come around to agree with you or they will not. it's not exciting to wait, eventually it becomes dead boring to call something a classic if it has been known to be so for a long time.

consider the case of Citizen Kane, it wasn't recognized as the masterpiece it was until decades later. if the french freaks hadn't started talking about it, who knows when it would hav been properly assessed. those cheese-eating surrender-monkeys WISHED they'd been around (beyond being toddlers) when that movie came out so they could hav given Awesome Welles his proper due.. so this is what happened: he got his due, not that it mattered by then other than giving him the ability to crash at a few critics houses when he was wacked out on Paul Masson champagne, and now everyone and his illiterate Dan Brown loving cousin knows that it's the best movie ever made, and then in 2004 and 2006 it made the xixax dekapenticon.

now in 2010 there's a few ppl hoping it doesn't make the list at all. why? cos it's not our discovery.

Quote from: ρ on January 28, 2010, 09:36:19 AMi agree that the process of reassessment is never over. that much is obvious, you can say YES it's important to make these lists every 5 years cos our tastes will change. but everyone is saying that there is a MINIMUM cool-off period. i don't think so. if you wait a long time to make a statement, either everyone will hav come around to agree with you or they will not. it's not exciting to wait, eventually it becomes dead boring to call something a classic if it has been known to be so for a long time.

It's a good point, but it's more than just tastes changing. We get smarter and more intellectually mature and quite simply, better at watching film as a whole. I have no real qualms with labeling a new film an instant classic (ahem, oxymoron) but there's something to be said about revisiting an old work you saw back when you were 19 and stupid.

I just watched Magnolia a couple weeks ago after not seeing it for over 5 years at least, and I hope I don't get crucified for saying this (actually, I don't really care) but I was amazed as to how empty I found it. Some parts were actually quite insufferable, so much that I'm not sure it would make even my top 15 right now. Back in '99, after my third theater viewing, I was championing it as the best movie ever to anyone with a pulse, but that was when I was 17 and much more enthralled with whip pans and super long takes than substance. 

Quote from: ρ on January 28, 2010, 09:36:19 AM
why is it ok for literary circles to correctly herald a book an instant classic of all time and not do the same for a movie?

I think literary enthusiasts just spend more time and more work on the oeuvres they enjoy. Not because they are smarter but only because it's longer to read a book than watch a film.

I know some here watch the same movie over and over in a short span of time and analyse it a lot, but most just watch it once in theater, maybe again when it comes out on DVD and that's it. Even buyers will only watch the film once or twice for the most part, really. And it is a widely known fact that the films you watch most often are not those you call ''the best films''

Not enough work is done by film enthusiast to truly understand every inch of greatness in a great film. You can watch 5 different films a week if you want. You can watch Casablanca one day and TWBB the next day and forget about Casablanca. It's hard to do the same thing in literature.

People tend to make up their own mind more with books than cinema, because people have time to make up their mind with books and not with cinema. (again, not speaking about everyone, just most people, including here) Also, even the most die-hard reader will never ever have read half as many books as a simple film enthusiast will have seen movies. So when times come to make lists of ''best ever movies'' people will refer to other lists and other opinions. These other lists will have referred to other lists so on and so forth. That is why most films list are boring as fuck whereas book lists are always (or almost) enlightening or filled with discoveries.

The Deka MUST be free of any outside influence.

Quote from: ρ on January 28, 2010, 09:36:19 AM

[Citizen Kane]there's a few ppl hoping it doesn't make the list at all. why? cos it's not our discovery.

Or also it's not of our time? Do you think Shakespeare is the best writer ever? He's great, like Citizen Kane, but mostly historicaly important, like Citizen Kane. That's how I see it, anyway.

2010 is too soon for a Dekapenticon!  If it's coming now, I'm skipping voting completely because there are hundreds of films I want to see before I make a list for the greatest of all time.

But seriously, Vote for The 2010 Xixax Awards (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=10984.0).  :yabbse-grin:

Quote from: ρ on January 28, 2010, 09:36:19 AM
consider the case of Citizen Kane, it wasn't recognized as the masterpiece it was until decades later. if the french freaks hadn't started talking about it, who knows when it would hav been properly assessed. those cheese-eating surrender-monkeys WISHED they'd been around (beyond being toddlers) when that movie came out so they could hav given Awesome Welles his proper due.. so this is what happened: he got his due, not that it mattered by then other than giving him the ability to crash at a few critics houses when he was wacked out on Paul Masson champagne, and now everyone and his illiterate Dan Brown loving cousin knows that it's the best movie ever made, and then in 2004 and 2006 it made the xixax dekapenticon.

The Citizen Kane example is just wrong. It was made in 1941 but because of the war it wasn't released in most of Europe until the late 1940s. The release date around each country was different so it never had a real worldwide release. Anyways, when Sight and Sound came out with their 1952 list of top ten films of all time, while Citizen Kane didn't make the list, it was the closest runner-up to making the list (followed by Grand Illusion and Grapes of Wrath). By 1962, it became #1, but by 1952 (and with less than a 10 year history in Europe) it was already ranked amongst the classics.

I'm not appealing for films to attain an ancient history before being voted on, but I wouldn't mind a little history. Even five years sounds reasonable to vote on a film, but that's just me and if someone believes in There Will be Blood enough to vote now, I would disagree but ultimately not give a shit.