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Title: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remakes
Post by: Raikus on February 07, 2004, 08:52:26 AM
Has anyone heard this? Some new female singer who's single is a remake of "Fell In Love with a Girl." She drastically changes the pronouns and releases "Fell In Love with a Boy." Why? It's a crappy, popish remake of a great song and shouldn't there be a rule about not remaking songs under 10 years old?

What is wrong with the world?!  :x
Title: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remakes
Post by: Pedro on February 07, 2004, 10:13:58 AM
it's hilarious
Title: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remakes
Post by: Sleuth on February 07, 2004, 12:44:52 PM
Covers of recent songs can be fun at live concerts, but not as singles.  I've never heard this song and I don't want to (the cover).
Title: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remakes
Post by: cron on February 07, 2004, 01:02:19 PM
Audioslave- Seven nation army.

that is one cool cover, sounds like an hymn.
Title: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remakes
Post by: Pas on February 07, 2004, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: chuckhimselfoAudioslave- Seven nation army.

that is one cool cover, sounds like an hymn.

I can't find it on IRC :-(
Title: Re: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remake
Post by: Gloria on February 07, 2004, 09:57:33 PM
Quote from: RaikusHas anyone heard this? Some new female singer who's single is a remake of "Fell In Love with a Girl." She drastically changes the pronouns and releases "Fell In Love with a Boy." Why? It's a crappy, popish remake of a great song and shouldn't there be a rule about not remaking songs under 10 years old?

I really, really like that song "Fell in love with a boy" and Joss Stone deserves all kinds of attention because of her vocal talent.  While most pop stars are too busy working on their image that they fail to develop any talent, Joss Stone can sing with the best of the best.  I can understand frustration with remakes....but if you want to hear her not sing a remake, try "The Chokin Kind."  She is really talented.
Title: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remakes
Post by: Pubrick on February 07, 2004, 10:37:14 PM
it's inexcusable to release such a recent song as a cover-single, her first no less.

unless of course u are a soul-less techno remake bullshit group that is big in germany.

flaming lips did a good Seven Nation Army i heard once..
Title: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remakes
Post by: mogwai on February 08, 2004, 12:23:29 AM
Quote from: Pas Rapport
Quote from: chuckhimselfoAudioslave- Seven nation army. that is one cool cover, sounds like an hymn.
I can't find it on IRC :-(
you can find it at soulseek. especially the version that says "live from hultsfred". 8)
Title: Re: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remake
Post by: Raikus on February 08, 2004, 02:06:58 PM
Quote from: Gloria
Quote from: RaikusHas anyone heard this? Some new female singer who's single is a remake of "Fell In Love with a Girl." She drastically changes the pronouns and releases "Fell In Love with a Boy." Why? It's a crappy, popish remake of a great song and shouldn't there be a rule about not remaking songs under 10 years old?

I really, really like that song "Fell in love with a boy" and Joss Stone deserves all kinds of attention because of her vocal talent.  While most pop stars are too busy working on their image that they fail to develop any talent, Joss Stone can sing with the best of the best.  I can understand frustration with remakes....but if you want to hear her not sing a remake, try "The Chokin Kind."  She is really talented.
Well I have to disagree with the quality of her remake. It's to free form and has no structure. It's popish; basically that's not something I normally like.

It's a really dumb move all around because now she's made a bad first impression. If she wants to appeal to the hardcore music fans and the indy masses (which it seems is her goal from her marketing) she needed to structure herself as a singer/songwriter. Now it doesn't matter what song she writes, performs and releases because she'll always be the girl who started with an unnecessary remake and not an original work.

She may be a good singer, but now that's the only statement for the pinnacle of her career.
Title: Re: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remake
Post by: Gloria on February 08, 2004, 03:11:57 PM
Quote from: RaikusWell I have to disagree with the quality of her remake. It's to free form and has no structure. It's popish; basically that's not something I normally like.

It's a really dumb move all around because now she's made a bad first impression. If she wants to appeal to the hardcore music fans and the indy masses (which it seems is her goal from her marketing) she needed to structure herself as a singer/songwriter. Now it doesn't matter what song she writes, performs and releases because she'll always be the girl who started with an unnecessary remake and not an original work.

She may be a good singer, but now that's the only statement for the pinnacle of her career.

I don't think the longevity of her career rests with that one song.  I think in order to appeal to the masses and catch people's attention, she had to do something to set her apart from all the other blonde, female vocalists.   I mean, it got your attention, didn't it?  She has more to offer than just one song.  Its unfortunate if people immediately judge her talent and abilities because she did something unique with a familiar song and offered it as her first single. If you think about it, that was a really gutsy move that will hopefully pay off for her.

I just don't believe that her type of music is your cup of tea.  She has a very strong old school soul vibe that added a new flavor to "Fell in Love with a Boy."  It is not better or worse than the original...just different.
Title: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remakes
Post by: Pas on February 08, 2004, 03:21:49 PM
Try to understand what we mean ... covering really recent songs as singles is really euro-trash/lame, no matter how good the cover supposedly is
Title: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remakes
Post by: Gloria on February 08, 2004, 03:33:27 PM
Quote from: Pas RapportTry to understand what we mean ... covering really recent songs as singles is really euro-trash/lame, no matter how good the cover supposedly is

Understand what I mean...I like the cover (it is not lame) and I believe Joss Stone is talented.  I would normally agree with you and be against remaking recent songs, but this one was different. Feel free to hate the song....but my opinion stands.
Title: Re: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remake
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 09, 2004, 05:23:06 PM
Quote from: RaikusHas anyone heard this? Some new female singer who's single is a remake of "Fell In Love with a Girl." She drastically changes the pronouns and releases "Fell In Love with a Boy." Why? It's a crappy, popish remake of a great song and shouldn't there be a rule about not remaking songs under 10 years old?

What is wrong with the world?!  :x

Don't knock it.  At least the drum machine on the cover can keep time.  Meg White can't say the same.   :?
Title: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remakes
Post by: cron on February 09, 2004, 05:25:05 PM
But she's very , very, cute.
Title: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remakes
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 09, 2004, 05:31:52 PM
Quote from: chuckhimselfoBut she's very , very, cute.

True.  

When I saw them with the Strokes at Radio City, my friends and I were trying to determine if we thought she was hot simply because she was a drummer, albeit a bad (IMHO) drummer.  The jury's still out on that one.
Title: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remakes
Post by: modage on February 09, 2004, 05:42:58 PM
Quote from: hacksparrow
Quote from: chuckhimselfoBut she's very , very, cute.

True.  

When I saw them with the Strokes at Radio City, my friends and I were trying to determine if we thought she was hot simply because she was a drummer, albeit a bad (IMHO) drummer.  The jury's still out on that one.
yeah i think its the latter (i was at that show too).  umm, i heard this a few times the other day, and regardless of whether she is talented, it is a pretty lame move to release a cover of a 3 year old giant hit song as your single.  like, attention grabbing in a bad way i think.  that'd be like limp bizkit covering Hey Ya in a year or something?  its just not cool.
Title: Re: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remake
Post by: Raikus on February 09, 2004, 08:58:26 PM
Quote from: hacksparrowDon't knock it.  At least the drum machine on the cover can keep time.  Meg White can't say the same.   :?
Do you not see you're corrupted by the MTV music machine? Just look at the inherent evil of your statement above. Jesus.
Title: Re: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remake
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 10, 2004, 12:44:24 PM
Quote from: Raikus
Quote from: hacksparrowDon't knock it.  At least the drum machine on the cover can keep time.  Meg White can't say the same.   :?
Do you not see you're corrupted by the MTV music machine? Just look at the inherent evil of your statement above. Jesus.

What inherent evil?  Bad drumming is bad drumming.  And what MTV music machine would I be corrupted by if the White Stripes are BIG BIG BIG on MTV, more a part of said "music machine" than the Joss Stone cover.  Championing mediocrity as if it were brilliance is pretty "evil" as far as I'm concerned.

I'm a firm believer in realizing one's potential.  Chances are, Joss Stone will be big one day but I doubt that she will evolve much as an artist.  The White Stripes, on the other hand, have the potential to be legendary.  But I really think that Meg's drumming is holding Jack back. Take Sunday's awful Grammy performance into account; she was so out of time that Jack could barely keep up (either that or Meg couldn't follow Jack).  The Stripes have considerably more overall potential than Joss Stone.  However, Joss Stone is meeting her personal potential moreso than the Stripes are meeting theirs, IMHO.

So I'm harder on the Stripes because I want to love them. I couldn't, and probably won't ever, give a crap about Joss Stone.
Title: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remakes
Post by: Raikus on February 10, 2004, 02:18:13 PM
You were advocating manufactured music over music produced by an individual. That's inherently evil. That's what prompted me to say you're being corrupted by the MTV music machine--to think of "music" in terms personal achievement or drum machines. Bah.

And Meg provides the foundation for Jack's ability. She's no David Grohl, and neither of them have ever pretended she was. She keeps the simple beat that  lets the audience's ears focus on Jack's all out talent. The thing I've always liked about the White Stripes is they've got primal rock down to a T. Drums, a guitar, and a guy who can't sing good but has raw power--rock out.
Title: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remakes
Post by: RegularKarate on February 10, 2004, 02:21:01 PM
This Joss Stone is terrible.

I saw this video a couple weeks ago and vomited, then I realized that it was a White Stripes cover and vomited all over again.

It's not just that she's riding the cover-song wagon with a song that's too recent, it's that her sound is ubearable.  She has a terribly bland voice and tries to sound like she has soul, but just sounds like every other white-girl pop-artist that will never understand what music is supposed to sound like.

I don't like Fiona Apple
Title: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remakes
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 10, 2004, 03:02:03 PM
Quote from: RaikusYou were advocating manufactured music over music produced by an individual. That's inherently evil. That's what prompted me to say you're being corrupted by the MTV music machine--to think of "music" in terms personal achievement or drum machines. Bah.

The only thing that makes me laugh more than people who take a quip of mine seriously is when people don't bother to read my already unnecessary clarification of a quip that wasn't meant to be taken seriously.  

That being said, believe what you want about what I wrote; I really don't care to explain myself to you further than saying that you have no idea what I was trying to say.

Quote from: RaikusAnd Meg provides the foundation for Jack's ability. She's no David Grohl, and neither of them have ever pretended she was. She keeps the simple beat that  lets the audience's ears focus on Jack's all out talent. The thing I've always liked about the White Stripes is they've got primal rock down to a T. Drums, a guitar, and a guy who can't sing good but has raw power--rock out.

Meg doesn't provide the foundation for Jack's ability.  Jack does.  Period.
Title: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remakes
Post by: Raikus on February 10, 2004, 03:29:37 PM
Quote from: hacksparrow
Quote from: RaikusYou were advocating manufactured music over music produced by an individual. That's inherently evil. That's what prompted me to say you're being corrupted by the MTV music machine--to think of "music" in terms personal achievement or drum machines. Bah.

The only thing that makes me laugh more than people who take a quip of mine seriously is when people don't bother to read my already unnecessary clarification of a quip that wasn't meant to be taken seriously.  

That being said, believe what you want about what I wrote; I really don't care to explain myself to you further than saying that you have no idea what I was trying to say.
I'm sorry. I thought I was getting into a discussion with someone--not a cop out. For discussion I will look elsewhere in the future.
Title: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remakes
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 10, 2004, 04:06:39 PM
Quote from: Raikus
Quote from: hacksparrow
Quote from: RaikusYou were advocating manufactured music over music produced by an individual. That's inherently evil. That's what prompted me to say you're being corrupted by the MTV music machine--to think of "music" in terms personal achievement or drum machines. Bah.

The only thing that makes me laugh more than people who take a quip of mine seriously is when people don't bother to read my already unnecessary clarification of a quip that wasn't meant to be taken seriously.  

That being said, believe what you want about what I wrote; I really don't care to explain myself to you further than saying that you have no idea what I was trying to say.
I'm sorry. I thought I was getting into a discussion with someone--not a cop out. For discussion I will look elsewhere in the future.

Sooner or later, everyone will cop out when talking to a brick wall.

A word of advice for your future "discussions":  don't get involved in one unless you actually want to hear opposing viewpoints for reasons other than target practice.  It might keep this from happening again.  

But why should I expect you to pay attention to what I'm writing? It certainly hasn't happened before.
Title: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remakes
Post by: Raikus on February 10, 2004, 04:19:50 PM
Wow. Developed quite a little martyr complex here haven't we?

The beauty of this board is that everything is here for all to see. Show me where I didn't respond specifically to your opinions with my opinions in all of our two exchanges before you pulled the holier-than-thou card?

Oh, and don't take the internet too seriously. It's okay to discuss a topic with someone who has a different opinion, but don't try pulling out the white flag when they respond.
Title: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remakes
Post by: BonBon85 on February 10, 2004, 04:36:52 PM
Quote from: RaikusShe keeps the simple beat that  lets the audience's ears focus on Jack's all out talent.

But half the time she can't even handle that. I don't mind that her beats are really simple, but it seems like she can barely even keep time during live performances.
Title: Joss Stone or Why 3 Year Old Songs Shouldn't Have Remakes
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 10, 2004, 04:47:27 PM
Quote from: RaikusWow. Developed quite a little martyr complex here haven't we?

The beauty of this board is that everything is here for all to see. Show me where I didn't respond specifically to your opinions with my opinions in all of our two exchanges before you pulled the holier-than-thou card?

Oh, and don't take the internet too seriously. It's okay to discuss a topic with someone who has a different opinion, but don't try pulling out the white flag when they respond.

You bore me.   :roll: