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So, as some of you probably know, Kevin Smith has finished filming his newest film, Jersey Girl.  It is supposed to be a serious turn for Smith and looks like it will be rated PG 13.

Being a Smith fan, I have high hopes for this film.  I am looking at something that will have the same effect as Chasing Amy.  Any thoughts?

You won't find that many people who are big Smith fans here.

I, personally, think he's done a couple of decent films, but is still way overrated.

I actually think he is terrible, I liked Clerks, Mallrats was ok, and everything else, I just felt was trash. I dont think the dialouge is clever and the acting doesnt help.

I was excited for Jersey Girl until J Lo and Ben started grabbing each other's asses in music videos and whatnot.

Have they no shame?! Whatever happened to the classic couples like Joe and Marilyn, Brad and Jennifer, Liza and David!?

Kevin made a lot of enemies around here with his PT Anderson exchange. Since so many people here came from the PTA boards, you can probably see why there is hostility.

In my case, I saw a couple of his movies before I really knew who he was and didn't care for them, so I can at least be somewhat objective in my distaste for his work.

I agree that his earlier work was entertaining, but I can't stand Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. There was nothing even remotely clever about that movie.

I hated Clerks and can't bring myself to see any of his other stuff.

I honestly forgot about the whole PTA-Kevin Smith conflict until it was mentioned again here. I dislike Kevin Smith but not all of his films. Clerks and Dogma are cute and entertaining and Chasing Amy is his only admirable film. The others are just bad movies.

Weird thing is, I am a collector of Criterion Collection dvds and Chasing Amy for Criterion is only $20 at stores here and I admire the film, but dislike Kevin Smith too much to even buy it. I will see Jersey Girl, and hope it will be good, but who knows these days.

~rougerum

I know about the PTA/Smith comment.  If it means anything, I read that Kevin met PTA somewhere and Kevin was really impressed that PTA wasn't angry at all about the comments.

I do agree with J&SB Strike Back...I wasn't much of a fan of the movie.  It was funny for me the first time I saw it...and it kind of ended there.

i never heard anything about the PTA/Smith rift, and am a huge PTA fan...I liked Clerks a lot, but the rest is recycled themes, and less funny banter...regardless of what Smith said about PTA, he comes off as an arrogant know-it-all anyways, and please somebody do some research on this and tell me that no one has bought or rented the "all about Kevin Smith dvd..."

better paranoid android quote: "ambition makes you look pretty ugly"

Quote from: moonshiner1620better paranoid android quote: "ambition makes you look pretty ugly"

even better than that:
"Please could you stop the noise, I'm trying to get some rest
From all the unborn chicken voices in my head
What's that...? (I may be paranoid, but not an android)
What's that...? (I may be paranoid, but not an android)

When I am king, you will be first against the wall
With your opinion which is of no consequence at all
What's that...? (I may be paranoid, but no android)
What's that...? (I may be paranoid, but no android)

Ambition makes you look pretty ugly
Kicking and squealing gucci little piggy
You don't remember
You don't remember
Why don't you remember my name?
Off with his head, man
Off with his head, man
Why don't you remember my name?
I guess he does....

Rain down, rain down
Come on rain down on me
From a great height
From a great height... height...
Rain down, rain down
Come on rain down on me
From a great height
From a great height... height...
Rain down, rain down
Come on rain down on me

That's it, sir
You're leaving
The crackle of pigskin
The dust and the screaming
The yuppies networking
The panic, the vomit
The panic, the vomit
God loves his children, God loves his children, yeah!"

anyway, only Clerks and Chasing Amy were good and rewatchable to a degree.

I've enjoyed all his movies to an extent, except for Mallrats. I think Chasing Amy is the best, but...some of the comments above make me think I'm gonna get crucified for this...but I loved Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. It really made me laugh. A lot. Plus it had Will Ferrell in it.

But I do think Smith is overrated, and his cleverer-than-thou dialogue is sometimes grating...and I'm not looking forward to Jersey Girl ever since I learned the character's names, which sound like someone desperately trying to be funny and failing miserably. Of course, I won't knock it completely until I see it.

I have the 'An Evening with Kevin Smith' DVD

I also might be going to one of his Q&As next month.

I like Kevin Smith, I used to be a bigger fan of him when I was like 13, before I discovered real filmmakers like PT Anderson. I still like to watch one of his films once in awhile, they're pretty funny. The dialogue is so completely unrealistic it  just gets annoying after awhile. It's too fast or something. The only guy that can write realistic fast dialogue is Mamet, who  is a better writer than Smith without question. Then, of course, there's the lack of visual quality in his films, any style whatsoever really. His characters are hard to relate too for me as well, they are funny but not much else really.  

So, I don't know how I feel about him now really, I have trouble getting into his films I guess. I mean, there are so many better films and filmmakers that I have come across over the past three years. 90% of them are a lot more interesting and fun to watch than two middle aged white guys saying controversial shit at a convenient store counter. That percentage is getting higher and higher everytime I find a filmmaker or film that I like more than Smith. His Magnolia rant didn't help my opinion on him much either as I feel it's a better film than a man ten times more talented than him could ever make. Now, he's starting to fuck around with David Gordon Green as I understand it, who is also more talented than him. Honestly, It probably won't be long before I forget about him frankly. I won't see Jersey Girl in theatres, maybe not even on DVD.

Kevin Smith is a mistake.

Quote from: ebeaman69I like Kevin Smith, I used to be a bigger fan of him when I was like 13

You mean 6 months ago?



:wink:

I could try to defend my favorite film maker.  It really is about opinion though, so it is kind of useless to argue it.

Anyways, he isn't the best director...by any means, just my favorite.

In honor of the Shaft's wise decision:

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Quote from: ebeaman69I like Kevin Smith, I used to be a bigger fan of him when I was like 13

You mean 6 months ago?



:wink:

Man, you better be kidding. I think your cool but your always trying to make me look stupid. I know I'm not that smart though. It was almost three and a half years ago by the way.

Quote from: ebeaman69I think your cool but your always trying to make me look stupid.

Forward all such Duck Sauce inquiries to Pubrick, for he shall always know the answer.

Wow, this board was up a whole month before the special olympics thing was posted. I knew it was only a matter of time.

P.S. Ebeaman, your signature makes me smile.

Do we need to separate you two?

ebeaman, Im sorry





JB, leave me alone....  :x

Quote from: Duck SauceJB, leave me alone....  :x

Me, you, and GT... it's on...

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanMe, you, and GT... it's on...

I'm definitely in on this.

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanMe, you, and GT... it's on...

Quote from: NewtronI'm definitely in on this.

I'm crackin' my knuckles right now

i call reffing

normally the mention of JB, DS and some other bums being mad at each other and willing to throw punches at one another would call for a good chick fight, but my inclusion throws the gender thing off a little bit. Hey JB, I heard getting hit in the tits is just like a guy getting hit in the balls, true?

~rougerum

Quote from: The Gold Trumpetnormally the mention of JB, DS and some other bums being mad at each other and willing to throw punches at one another would call for a good chick fight, but my inclusion throws the gender thing off a little bit. Hey JB, I heard getting hit in the tits is just like a guy getting hit in the balls, true?

~rougerum

Naw, I like JB.

Quote from: ebeaman69

Quote from: Duck Sauce

Quote from: ebeaman69I like Kevin Smith, I used to be a bigger fan of him when I was like 13

You mean 6 months ago?



:wink:

Man, you better be kidding. I think your cool but your always trying to make me look stupid. I know I'm not that smart though. It was almost three and a half years ago by the way.

I think everyone is missing the point here.....




ebeaman69 thinks Duck Sauce is cool.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetHey JB, I heard getting hit in the tits is just like a guy getting hit in the balls, true?

It's like apples and oranges, really. It's like.. having to choose one child over the other.

Quote from: Duck SauceI like JB.

:P  i think someones got a little crush

Quote from: cecil b. demented

Quote from: Duck SauceI like JB.

:P  i think someones got a little crush

Dont embarrass me

apples and oranges?? Obvious some little girl here has yet to get out of their training bra.

~rougerum

Quote from: The Gold Trumpetapples and oranges?? Obvious some little girl here has yet to get out of their training bra.

~rougerum

The new tough guy attitude isnt really working GT

:wink:

Well, when I think of good names of intimidation, I'll be sure to mark Duck Sauce off the list of possibilities. I can't help but think of names of bad children's books with that one.

~rougerum

Quote from: Duck SauceThe new tough guy attitude isnt really working GT

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetWell, when I think of good names of intimidation, I'll be sure to mark Duck Sauce off the list of possibilities. I can't help but think of names of bad children's books with that one.

~rougerum

Okay, they've turned on eachother, this makes it easier... I'll take winner... JB, you can take the loser, sorry JB, you tha man, but I get the feeling you might have girl arms.

God, look what we have all become. We really all need to get away from the stupid comment shit and get back to talking about movies. And yes, I am guilty of it.

Quote from: The Gold Trumpetnormally the mention of JB, DS and some other bums being mad at each other and willing to throw punches at one another would call for a good chick fight, but my inclusion throws the gender thing off a little bit.

the insulting nature of that comment makes me begin to consider the idea that you would be ineffective in the event of a competition.

Quote from: DerekI think everyone is missing the point here.....




ebeaman69 thinks Duck Sauce is cool.

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Quote from: The Gold Trumpetapples and oranges?? Obvious some little girl here has yet to get out of their training bra.

Don't call me a little girl! I am a big girl! My mommy said so!

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanDon't call me a little girl! I am a big girl! My mommy said so!

if ever there was a time when this emoticon  :shock: was needed, it is now  :shock: :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

one more time..   :shock:

Personally I think Kevin Smith has only made like two "alright " movies...Mallrats made me laugh, mainly because of the character Brody(Jason Lee)..and Chasing Amy was pretty good.  But I thought Dogma sucked and everything else he's done also...excepts Clerks...that one was alright too.  I wouldnt even consider watching that "Strikes Back" movie he did... that just looke horrible.

clerks was good, mallrats okay, the rest suck. i hate the fact that he thinks hes so funny and clever in dogma and strikes back.

BUT, jersey girl might be okay. its obviously a more "mature" effort.

I hate to admit to the PTA crowd that I really enjoy Kevin Smith movies. They make me laugh. Smith throws out the bait and I take it every time. I think the things he said about PTA and magnolia were blown out of proportion (i don't even know what was really said) and he even supported PDL when it came out, so it's not like there are these terribly hard feelings between the two. His humor's not for some, but I really enjoy it. For anyone who is so inclined, get the animated series dvd. Funny show, wish it didn't get cancelled or was picked up by UPN or something.

Clerks: The Animated Series is currently running on Comedy Central, Sundays at 12:30 AM.

Quote from: RaikusClerks: The Animated Series is currently running on Comedy Central, Sundays at 12:30 AM.

I remember seeing one episode like 2 years ago on ABC and actually found it to be pretty funny.  :oops:

Actually, all the Smith-haters out there will probably find it very funny due to all the self-depricating humor towards the characters and the actual movie itself.

An example can be found here: http://www.comedycentral.com/includes/rpmdirect.jhtml?ram=clerks%2Fclerks_106_300.rm

that animated series is really funny...i watched it on dvd a long while ago..Clerks was the only Smith movie that i really liked....very funny, very punk rock, and low budget, the alternate ending is crazy...the animated series is just as funny.

The episodes they show on comedy central are the only ones they made. Those episodes were all put onto dvd and I can watch them whenever the fuck i want! I want new ones.

Depending on whether or no Jason Mewes gives up his dependency of China White, the plans are in the works for a Clerks 2 movie that would be in the animated series style. Even if Mewes is in rehab, they may still create it and leave out the Jay character.

And the entire Clerks: TAS run was 6 episodes. 2 of which aired on ABC before they cancelled it.

I know this, Raikus. By the way, like your avatar.

"I am the queeeen of France!"

i really love clerks, and mallrats is a pretty good, stupid movie. but the rest of his movies have gotten progressively worse. fucking garbage, especially since his movies now basically consist of having superstars cast for no real reason except for the fact that their stuporstars. what the fuck was chris rock, salma hayek and alanis fucking morrisette doing in dogma? fucking retarded cameos left and right and ben assfuck playing the same smithesque douchebag. jay and silent bob stirke back is possibly one of the worst movies. ever. and smith thinks the way to make a hollywood "satire" is by making a shitty hollywood movie, and get away with it. what a dipshit. plus, he talked shit about p.t.a. being pretentious and self-induldgent, going so far as to make immature jokes about him in his movie - yet this arrogant bastard is now touring himself to speak to people and trying to make himself to be some great intellect that people should listen to...

ugh. smith is a complete hack and a sell-out. the idiot makes me sick.

Well, actually you should see Chasing Amy. It's his best movie I think.

And he makes no arguments about selling out. He says he was only a independent film maker up until he accepted the check from Harvey for Clerks.

And watch Evening with Kevin Smith. He doesn't try to come off as a great intellect or a great director. However, it is great stand up comedy.

I get that people dislike his style and direction (saying they "hate" him is going a bit far. Personally I don't think you can use the term "hate" towards an individual unless they've personally wronged you in some great way). That's fine. But base decisions on his style and content, not on a quip he made about PTA that is long since in the past. As a matter of fact, both directors have said they like and admire the other's work. Water under the bridge so to say.

Opinions are great. As long as they're informed opinions.

Clerks and Mallrats are good for tripe humor - didn't dig on Chasing Amy too much.  Dogma started the slide downhill, Strike Back was 90 minutes of my life that I will never be able to recover.

It is someone asking about what he said about Magnolia.  He told them that he was in a pissed off mood at the time he answered the question on a webboard.  He later on ran into PTA and they talked and they both talked about how they admire eachothers work.  Kevin even said that he thought PTA was a real gentleman about everything.

I will defend Kevin Smith until the end.

J&SB Strike Back isn't a very good film, I admit it.  But to think that it was made as some kind of hollywood satire is insane.  That was never the intention, it was him making a film he wanted to make.  It was a film that was pretty much made for fans of his other films.  I don't see how it could be understood if you hadn't seen his other 4 films, 5 if you include the Animated Series.  Most of it was inside jokes.  No money was lost on the movie either.

Quote from: RaikusWell, actually you should see Chasing Amy. It's his best movie I think.

And he makes no arguments about selling out. He says he was only a independent film maker up until he accepted the check from Harvey for Clerks.

And watch Evening with Kevin Smith. He doesn't try to come off as a great intellect or a great director. However, it is great stand up comedy.

I get that people dislike his style and direction (saying they "hate" him is going a bit far. Personally I don't think you can use the term "hate" towards an individual unless they've personally wronged you in some great way). That's fine. But base decisions on his style and content, not on a quip he made about PTA that is long since in the past. As a matter of fact, both directors have said they like and admire the other's work. Water under the bridge so to say.

Opinions are great. As long as they're informed opinions.

i have seen chasing amy...not a bad movie, but i still didn't like it, personally.

and about him selling out...i didn't mean that "it sucks that he's not indy anymore". screw that. when i mean he's sold out, i mean he's given up artistic integrity and has adopted awful hollywood ideals.

and as for his comments towards p.t.a. & magnolia...i couldn't care less about what his personal opinions towards anderson or his films are. i just think he's a total douchebag for being hypocritical about anderson being self-induldgent while he was whoring a cartoon series to abc and is now going on tour with "an evening with me, kevin smith". pffft. and his jab at anderson in jay & silent bob strike back...that was really distatseful and immature. and i would say the same thing if that joke was directed at anyone else that he - for whatever reason - had a personal beef with.

so...do i "hate" him? well...i think he makes shitty movies. and from what i do know about him, he's just a regular hollywood hack waving his fat nose in the air. so, you might be able to say that i "hate" him as much as i "love" my favourite filmmakers.

ya, because Clerks had a lot of artistic integrity in it.

Plus, he never said anything about PTA being self-indulgent...
someone asked him what he thought of Magnolia
and he said it was like sitting thru a Root Canal (which I disagree with)

Quote from: SHAFTRya, because Clerks had a lot of artistic integrity in it.

Plus, he never said anything about PTA being self-indulgent...
someone asked him what he thought of Magnolia
and he said it was like sitting thru a Root Canal (which I disagree with)

actually, clerks did have alot of artistic integrity. you probably disagree, but i find that whatever helps make a film truly great - editing, cinematography, art direction, dialouge [even if it's comedic] - then it only helps define cinema as an art form.

and he did say that anderson was either self-induldgent or pretentious [i forget]. he basically said something to the effect, [referring to magnolia] "there's nothing more disgusting and self-induldgent than a filmmaker trying to blahblahblah". i forget exactly what he said, but his wording wasn't totally different than that.

his dialogue hasn't really changed much since Clerks.

and the art direction/cinematography of Clerks was set the camera down and let the actors act.

Quote from: SHAFTRhis dialogue hasn't really changed much since Clerks.

and the art direction/cinematography of Clerks was set the camera down and let the actors act.

christ. did i ever say anything about the art direction or cinematography of clerks being artistically astounding? i was referring to artistic elements of cinema in general.

and no, i can't really pick one single element of clerks and call it "artistic", but on the whole, smith had little money and produced one of the greatest comedies ever seen - traits of a great artist. and if you think his dialouge hasn't changed...well, that's true. but obviously the wit and brilliance put into his stories has all but vanished due to the fact that he's let hollywood take care of that for him, with "zany adventures" and no-talent assclown actors.

Quotewith "zany adventures" and no-talent assclown actors.

Hey now! Bust on Smith all you want.

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But leave Lee out of this.  :wink:

Hey, I love Lee just as much as the next guy, but come on!

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You can't blame a guy for trying to obtain leading man statis.

Besides, if he hadn't starred in those movies, Affleck would have.

And my retort:
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Quote from: bonanzatazHey, I love Lee just as much as the next guy, but come on!

it's obvious he is under a spell and trying to communicate with us through taglines and eyebrow manouvers.

Raikus, I liked those movies so I didn't put up those posters, but Lee blew in them. BADLY. Though I guess I can't say anything for Dreamcatcher cause it's not even out yet, but my guess is he'll suck. I love him solely in Kevin Smith movies. For some reason, those are the only places he can shine.

Hey, it's nothing I'm taking personally taz. I'm not Lee's mom or anything. But you really thought he sucked in Almost Famous and Vanilla Sky? I thought he was great in those.

But that's cool. I've got high expectations for him in Dreamcatcher (and high expectations for the movie itself).

has anyone seen "a better place?" hes pretty good in that one too.

I thought 'A Better Place' was excellent.

I'm hoping for big things out of Vincent Pereira.

IMO Jason Lee was excellent in Almost Famous and Vanilla Sky... his current streak of crappy rom-coms are well, the man has to pay the bills right?

Ive never been much of a fan of Kevin Smith movies, so I cant honestly comment on them.

In each of his appearences in Kevin Smith movie, Jason Lee has stolen the show or been up there. He was the best (and really only great part) of Mallrats. He was best part of Chasing Amy (which I love) and he was solid in Dogma (which I enjoyed).

I have to admit, J&SBSB is terrible trash. Clerks is good but its nothing great.

Has anyone seen Vulgar?

I saw Vulgar...and hated it.  I did enjoy the Dogma Documentary on the disc.

Quote from: snaporazwhat the fuck was chris rock, salma hayek and alanis fucking morrisette doing in dogma?

controversial material.  if you have actors who can pull in people at the box-office, you would take more advantage of having them in the movie because the subject matter of a movie like dogma is bound to bring hostility and opposition from a lot of people.  i hear harvey weinstein had his life threatened by many right-wing types because he was jewish and releasing a film on catholicism.  

i agree with the comments about liking jason lee in kevin smith films.  if he has a good enough director (cameron crowe and kasdan) he can deliver the goods.  but if the directors really don't give a damn, no matter how likeable he is, he's in bad movies (stealing harvard, a guy thing)

I like Smith's films.  Personally Mallrats and Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back weren't my cup of tea.

Dogma and Clerks were entertaining though.

Chasing Amy has been Smith's crowning achievement thus far, and a flick I highly respect.

I'm a big Kevin Smith fan. Please don't tell me you guys are Smith haters because of the shit he said about Magnolia. Talk about being a PTA fanatic.  Grow up man. His movies are funny. Dogma is his best cause its funny and deals wit serious shit too. Jay and Silent Bob is hysterical. *sigh* I really don't have anything else to say.

this thread is a goddamn time warp.

Quote from: P from this same threadanyway, only Clerks and Chasing Amy were good and rewatchable to a degree.

What makes Chasing Amy better then other romantic-comedys? Never thought it was that great.

Quote from: Sigur RósWhat makes Chasing Amy better then other romantic-comedys? Never thought it was that great.

same here. his films just keep getting worst and worst. im waiting to see if jersey girl will be an exception

Perhaps Smith is an acquired taste?

this thread is going nowhere (//www.nowhere.com). i liked the girl fight talk so much better.

whos up for GTtail twisting.

On a different topic...

Could someone explain to me exactly what the deal is between Smith and PTA? What went on between them? Is it just that "Magnolia Fan" stuff in Jay and Silent Bob?

What are you talking about? They loooove each other. So much so that Kevin even made his website into a PTA forum for a while: http://www.newsaskew.com/pta/index.shtml

Quote from: P from this same threadthis thread is a goddamn time warp.

Quote from: RaikusWhat are you talking about? They loooove each other. So much so that Kevin even made his website into a PTA forum for a while: http://www.newsaskew.com/pta/index.shtml

Oh my god...did Kevin Smith actually spend all that time on that site just to make fun of PTA some more? Wow, what a fucking child. I'm sorry, I reluctantly let all that stuff he said about Magnolia go and still had respect for him after reading his review of it, to each his own...he deserves to have an opinion on the movie after all...so I gave him that...but this? This is bullshit, seriously. I've lost all the respect I had left for him...that's so stupid. PTA didn't even respond to Smith's Magnolia bashing and he goes and does this? For what? What a baby!

I still look at him as a good filmmaker but...PTA is and forever will be better. I'm not saying that just because of this whole thing...I've always thought that, who can argue that? Smith is a writer w/ a camera, not a filmmaker...he can write...but PTA even outshines him in that category. Smith's fast, hip dialogue is awesome sometimes but it can be annoying...PTA's is ALWAYS cool...it's more realistic too.

Whatever...that just pissed me off though.

does anyone know what smith thinks of pta's other films? did he even see pdl?

Quote from: cecil b. dementeddoes anyone know what smith thinks of pta's other films? did he even see pdl?

I read about him being a fan of Boogie Nights. In his Magnolia review I think it was, he said something like...I'll take Boogie Nights anyday, but this fucking sucks!

He posted on his site that he was really looking forward to PDL. I bet he's seen it, I don't know what he thought of it though.

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Quote from: RaikusWhat are you talking about? They loooove each other. So much so that Kevin even made his website into a PTA forum for a while: http://www.newsaskew.com/pta/index.shtml

Oh my god...did Kevin Smith actually spend all that time on that site just to make fun of PTA some more? Wow, what a fucking child. I'm sorry, I reluctantly let all that stuff he said about Magnolia go and still had respect for him after reading his review of it, to each his own...he deserves to have an opinion on the movie after all...so I gave him that...but this? This is bullshit, seriously. I've lost all the respect I had left for him...that's so stupid. PTA didn't even respond to Smith's Magnolia bashing and he goes and does this? For what? What a baby!

That was an April Fools joke done by the webmasters of NewsAskew.com right around the whole time of the PTA hubub.

I think it was meant to be taken with a grain of salt.

Quote from: cecildoes anyone know what smith thinks of pta's other films? did he even see pdl?

"What the fucks you beef with P.T.?" – Mr. Rio

KS: (laughing) I got no beef with P.T.! I mean it’s so nice to be asked that question in a forum that you can actually address it. I’m a huge fan of BOOGIE NIGHTS – I’ve bought every version of BOOGIE NIGHTS that exists: on laserdisc, on DVD - both versions on DVD. I’m a big BOOGIE NIGHTS fan, just wasn’t much of a MAGNOLIA fan. And you know that’ll probably change. Because that movie doesn’t bore me to tears every frame of it.

Like I think there’s wonderful stuff in it – the Tom Cruise stuff is really great, I could watch that over and over again. Not so much the "respect the cock" stuff, but when he sits down for the interview, like that stuff is really kind of powerful. It’s just what I felt when I saw it was that there was a lot of flab on that movie.

He's also said that he's bumped into PTA before and he was really nice, classy and they both professed to like each other's work. So really, there's no tension between them at all, it's just all the hype the fans threw into the mix.
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As for PDL specifically, he listed it on his top ten list for last year:

Kevin Smith's Top 10 Movies of 2002  
1. The Piano Teacher
2. Y Tu Mamá También
3. Far From Heaven
4. The Hours
5. Bowling for Columbine
6. Punch-Drunk Love
7. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
8. The Lady and the Duke
9. 8 Women
10. Late Marriage

NewsAskew.com isn't run by Kevin Smith or his company.
So in all likelyhood, he wasn't even aware of that until he went to the site that day and saw it.

ViewAskew.com is his company's website.

Quote from: SHAFTRNewsAskew.com isn't run by Kevin Smith or his company.
So in all likelyhood, he wasn't even aware of that until he went to the site that day and saw it.

ViewAskew.com is his company's website.

Alright, then I take back what I said...it's still not cool though. They could have at least made it funny.

Anyway, it's cool to see PDL on Smith's top 10 list, as well as Y Tu Mama Tambien...I'd like to read what he had to say about them.

Kevin Smith is disagreeable on the terms he is given millions of dollars to make movies but yet does very little with the money. At best, his movies are minor successes or funny on first viewing. Then the whole thing of further thought placed into viewing his movies and it all becomes a headache. I like the show Dinner for Five and Jon Favreau, but was dumbfounded by his directorial debut (I think) Made. It was an idea that was sophmorish to begin with but repeated itself with a story that seemed to be liable for mismanagament of the money given to him to actually make the film. If it didn't have Vince Vaughn being insulting all the time, nothing would exist. The Kevin Smith movies reminds me of this movie and my problem with it.

~rougerum

That's a really fantastic best-of list he put together...excellent taste, he has.

Production Budgets:
Clerks - $27,000
Mallrats - $6,100,000
Chasing Amy - $250,000
Dogma - $10,000,000
J&SBSB - $20,000,000

I'd say on average, he's probably one of the lowest budget film directors out there (with the exception of independent filmmakers like Linklaker and Waters). And I think he's one of the most cost-conscious out there as well. Although you could say the lower the budget, the better the film.

Well, to argue you back Raikus, many of us believe giving $20 to Kevin Smith may be of serious consequence because the money likely will be wasted. It's not like this guy is a writer writing a column in a newspaper and that took pencial and paper to write at minumim and my time of 2 to 3 minutes to read and reject. He is now spending millions and costing me 2 hours of my life with each movie. If he doesn't realize the business of modern man and a more intense pressure to impress, then life is too short to waste on watching his movies. Give the money to someone else who can do something better with it.

~rougerum

Remember, a budget also includes actors' inflated salaries.

I used to be such a HUGE Kevin Smith fan. I had a buttload more in common with him than I did with Paul Thomas Anderson, movie taste and all. I used to completely agree with everything he said about boogie nights and magnolia. i loved every movie the guy did, including jay and silent bob. but after that movie, i somehow shifted into more of a PTA person. remember the deleted scene in pulp fiction (i know you all do) where uma's like "you're a beatles man or an elvis man. you can like both, but you can't like them equally. there's one you always like more." something like that. I believe the same holds true with PT and KS.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetWell, to argue you back Raikus, many of us believe giving $20 to Kevin Smith may be of serious consequence because the money likely will be wasted. It's not like this guy is a writer writing a column in a newspaper and that took pencial and paper to write at minumim and my time of 2 to 3 minutes to read and reject. He is now spending millions and costing me 2 hours of my life with each movie. If he doesn't realize the business of modern man and a more intense pressure to impress, then life is too short to waste on watching his movies. Give the money to someone else who can do something better with it.

~rougerum

You're basing this off your distaste for his movies. What you forget is that he has plenty fans of his movies, myself included. And while I'm not going to sit here and defend point by point why I think (some) of his movies are good, while you counter my points with your points, let me say that you are wrong when you state he misappropriates the funds given. Every film he's made has made the money back in box office and DVD sales. That's not considered minor success in the hollywood money machine. That's nearly considered a sure bet.

And while your watching of Smith's films may produce migranes, I find some of his movies, specifically Chasing Amy and Clerks, to be some of the most enjoyable repeat viewings out there.

And who's forcing you to watch them in the first place? Just say no, man. But for every point, there is a counterpoint. I'd much rather see money go to Smith to produce 5 movies than to see that same amount go towards putting The Core out into the world.

At least we can both agree Made was an extreme disappointment.

Quote from: RaikusEvery film he's made has made the money back in box office and DVD sales. That's not considered minor success in the hollywood money machine. That's nearly considered a sure bet.

Yup.  Kevin Smith makes movies for his fans.  Unfortunately, I'm not a fan, so his movies aren't for me.  But, he does have a huge fanbase.  Way more than PTA.  

Raikus is right that Kevin Smith makes back on every film he makes.  I would have to guess, on average, he has a much larger gross profit margin than PTA does.  If I was a producer, I would sign him in a heartbeat.

sorry Kevin Smithers, but according to Dark Horizons...

Both Kevin Smith's "Jersey Girl" and Eddie Griffin comedy "My Baby's Mama" have both been pushed back to 2004.

but on the plus side, you can still get your BfleckJlo fix with....
"Gigli" has moved up to Wednesday July 30th

ya, it looks like Jersey Girl will get a February release.

It was orginally was slated for November, but it ended up being the same day as Matrix Revolutions release, so the date was changed.

wouldnt that have been smart counter-programming?  having jersey girl and the matrix open together was like opening down with love with the matrix.   different audiences. although down with love did bomb....

Quote from: themodernage02Both Kevin Smith's "Jersey Girl" and Eddie Griffin comedy "My Baby's Mama" have both been pushed back to 2004.

Jesus!

Do you know how long I've been waiting for My Baby's Mama?!

So... does that make it your baby?

Kevin Smith Confident for Ben and Jen Success
Source: imdb.com

Jersey Girl director Kevin Smith is convinced the appalling reviews for Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck's new film Gigli won't affect box office sales for his upcoming venture. Real life couple and Jersey Girl stars Ben and Jen have watched as reviewer after reviewer have slammed Gigli for bad performances and poor plot - but Smith does not think the same can be said of his production. Speaking on his View Askew website, Smith says, "As far as all this worrying about what this weekend's Gigli reception means for Jersey Girl - don't waste your energy. We're gonna be fine. Apples and oranges. Shit, apples and blowjobs, really. No further prognostication necessary. I know it's a hot topic this weekend for obvious reasons, but lest we have to endure all this nail-biting speculation for the next eight months, let's curb it now. Whatever's gonna happen's gonna happen. If it's any consolation, I'm not sweating it." Smith says the reaction of test audiences to Jersey Girl has more than cemented his faith in the film. He explains, "I've seen Jersey Girl with audiences. I know all the stuff regarding the release plans for the flick that we don't talk about here. And while I'm sorry that Gigli didn't do better this weekend, its critical reaction and box office take won't have the slightest effect on Jersey Girl. Take my word for it."

FIRSTKevin Smith used to be a good writer (good dialogues and characters) but since chasing Amy things are getting worse...

SECONDKevin Smith got no skills as a director.... put two people talking and just turn on the camera doesnt make u a filmmaker

(i could have the tape of clerks and just listen and i'd  still have fun as well)

Quote from: AKFIRSTKevin Smith used to be a good writer (good dialogues and characters) but since chasing Amy things are getting worse...

SECONDKevin Smith got no skills as a director.... put two people talking and just turn on the camera doesnt make u a filmmaker

(i could have the tape of clerks and just listen and i'd  still have fun as well)

I don't think he has ever claimed to be a filmmaker...in the art sense of the word...more just a guy who writes and directs movies.

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Quote from: SHAFTRNewsAskew.com isn't run by Kevin Smith or his company.
So in all likelyhood, he wasn't even aware of that until he went to the site that day and saw it.

ViewAskew.com is his company's website.

Alright, then I take back what I said...it's still not cool though. They could have at least made it funny.

Anyway, it's cool to see PDL on Smith's top 10 list, as well as Y Tu Mama Tambien...I'd like to read what he had to say about them.

I think they were making fun of the fans, not of PTA. I mean, with all due respect, and I'm a big fucking Paul Thomas Anderson fan, I think he's the best "new" director around and I tend to watch his films over and over and over, it always amazes me the way some fanatics praise him around here. It's not praising, is more like cocksucking, really. When "COUCH" became available I could't believe how long that thread was, disecting every little frame of what is pretty much a snl sketch...I mean it's insane.

In fact, when I read this stuff from View Askew I didn't thought it was a joke, cause it wouldn't seem strange to me that were some people around here craving for a six hour magnolia cut with a 20 minutes long Jason Robards monologue.

I think PTA is great, I really do, he has given me in a very short period of time, so many great cinema moments...but aroun dhere he's like a God or something, with people suddenly having the same tastes as him and you know, it didn't seem exagerated to me that someone would go to a Fionna Apple concert just to see if PTA is around. I'm not saying people are not free to do, like, or feel as they want, but this PTA "admiration" is kind of funny, so I guess the joke was not on him, but on the crazy fans...Hope no one gets offended by this.

i think smith genuinely liked pdl. he doesnt hate pta, just magnolia.

The second Ben Affleck/Jennifer Lopez film, Jersey Girl, has been reset for a March 19th 2004 release, over half a year after the disaster that was "Gigli".

jlo has a bootie that permently needs a tap....nuff said.....fuck mr. smith....

Kevin Smith Directing Fletch Won & Ranger Danger!
Source: Variety

Writer/director Kevin Smith has committed to direct Fletch Won for Miramax, followed by the sci-fi adventure Ranger Danger and the Danger Rangers for Dimension.

Smith, who next directs Jersey Girl starring Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez, has completed the first draft of Fletch Won. The film will continue the exploits of the journalist-mystery solving character played in two films by Chevy Chase. Smith promised a close adherence to the distinctive dialogue and plotting that McDonald put into his novel series.

Shooting on the new film will begin in January.

After that it's "Ranger Danger" for Dimension, which Smith describes to Variety as "my stab at a comicbook/sci-fi movie. It's in the vein of 'Flash Gordon,' something I've noodled with a couple of years. Now I feel we are mature enough filmmakers to tackle it." Smith hopes to shoot that film while Fletch Won is in post-production during the fall of 2004.

Quote from: Cecil B. Dementedi think smith genuinely liked pdl. he doesnt hate pta, just magnolia.

u think too much

yeah, using your brain... thats for losers

The latest 'Fletch' news is that since Miramax doesn't want Jason Lee to play the lead (not big enough a star), Smith put out a wish list of his 5 preferences for the lead role:

1) Ben Affleck (no suprise there)
2) Brad Pitt
3) Will Smith
4) Adam Sandler
5) Jimmy Fallon

Quote from: XIXAXKevin Smith is a mistake.

:yabbse-thumbup:

Quote from: oakmanc234The latest 'Fletch' news is that since Miramax doesn't want Jason Lee to play the lead (not big enough a star), Smith put out a wish list of his 5 preferences for the lead role:

1) Ben Affleck (no suprise there)
2) Brad Pitt
3) Will Smith
4) Adam Sandler
5) Jimmy Fallon

What about Chevy Chase?  God knows he needs some work.

Jersey Girl: Whilst Kevin Smith himself has said the dire results of "Gigli" won't affect his film, the second Lopez/Affleck project looks like it will undergo a bit of a trim to become more of a Ben and less of a Jen feature. Now The New York Times reveals the latest rumours: "Kevin stated that Jennifer Lopez's role in the movie will not be expanded like people were expecting. This is due to Gigli's failure and possibly due to the bad test screening results that Jersey Girl has reportedly gotten numerous times. After the test screenings, Kevin had started trimming J-Lo's scenes and Gigli's disastrous showing at the box office just cemented it. She did earn $4 million for the movie and Miramax President Harvey Weinstein said to leave as much of her in the movie as possible due to her payday.


Here's the big spoiler.








Due to this, not only will J-Lo's part not be expanded, but she will die in the first 15 minutes of Jersey Girl".

$4 million dollars for 15 fucking minutes? i hate hollywood.

*SPOILER*




if thats what it costs to see JLO die, let me take out a few loans...

Quote from: MacGuffin
Here's the big spoiler.
Due to this, not only will J-Lo's part not be expanded, but she will die in the first 15 minutes of Jersey Girl".

Lopez's short time in the movie has nothing to do with Gigli. It was already cut that way when it test screened months ago.

i became a PTA fan and Smith fan simultaneously, and had no idea that Smith thought Magnolia sucked. Anyhow, Jersey Girl better be good.
The self-referential Jay & Silent Bob Strikes back would be funny if it weren't for all the inside jokes that weren't funny. Oh wait. That was the entire movie. Oh, wait! There were also alot of celebrity cameos throughout the movie that weren't funny, too!
That movie turned Smith into the "Pop Culture Junkie Loudmouth" he thought Tarantino was!
Anywhos, He thought Jay and Bob would be the best, especially while he was making it. He said it would be cathartic. Well, it gave me MORE problems than it took away from him, just because I could never find what everyone thought was so great about it. Maybe I'm just a fan of plot! and Character development!
Saying that Jersey Girl is "mature" just could mean it's gonna be "boring" when Jay and Bob was "funny" when it was just "densely populated with activity".
Clerks to Dogma: Manufique!!!

have faith. Jersey girl will deliver

The trailer is up now...here it is......it's an early promo trailer

either go here and find it

http://www.movie-list.com/trailers.php?id=jerseygirl

or this is a direct link
http://www.movie-list.net/mlst2k2/jersey-girl.mov

I really dug it.

What the hell? That trailer made it look awful. It may just be my disliking towards Affleck, but I thought it looked terrible. Didn't seem like Smith had brought anything of his own into it, he did write it, right? Nothing in this sounded very Smithish to me.

the opening line about george michael or whatever sounded like him.  so did the jokes about showing each other their private parts.

It simply looks like his first grown-up movie, that's all.

My problem with Kevin Smith: none of his movies deserve to be movies. Directorally, Smith doesn't really do anything interesting. They'd all work better as comic books. :(

He's an okay writer though. :(

the trailer has been removed b/c it wasn't an official 'trailer' just a promo that was used a few months ago.

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new website

http://www.miramax.com/jersey_girl/index.html


Ben had to say this in an interview

Have you seen Jersey Girl yet?

I have.
Are you concerned about the delays?

The short answer is no. I've seen the movie and it's maybe my favorite movie that I've ever made. I really dig this one, this is great but Jersey Girl is beautiful and really an incredibly wonderful story. What I think will be interesting is the fact that Jen is in about the first 10 or 15 minutes and I think it will go to show really that what it comes down to is that the movie works or it doesn't. Gigli was the Ishtar of our times because it didn't work and it had a lot of attention. I do nothing small. If it fails, I go down in flame of glory. I'm like the guy who calls in artillery on his own position, like "F*ck it, bring it, send it in, we're over-run."

haha. good one ben.

it wasnt funny, it was true

it can be funny and true.

true

Quote from: That Genius Ben AffleckThe short answer is no. I've seen the movie and it's maybe my favorite movie that I've ever made. I really dig this one, this is great but Jersey Girl is beautiful and really an incredibly wonderful story. What I think will be interesting is the fact that Jen is in about the first 10 or 15 minutes and I think it will go to show really that what it comes down to is that the movie works or it doesn't. Gigli was the Ishtar of our times because it didn't work and it had a lot of attention. I do nothing small. If it fails, I go down in flame of glory. I'm like the guy who calls in artillery on his own position, like "F*ck it, bring it, send it in, we're over-run."

Reminds me of this: "What can you expect when you're on top? You know? It's like Napoleon. When he was the king, you know, people were just constantly trying to conquer him, you know, in the Roman Empire. So, it's history repeating itself all over again."

hahah i know i know that what is it from?


EDIT:Nevermind i realized what site im on

Clerks: Test footage from the upcoming "Clerks" animated feature from ViewAskew is now online here. (http://www.viewaskew.com/clerkstest/clerks.html)

Quote from: Bankyhahah i know i know that what is it from?


EDIT:Nevermind i realized what site im on

Of course! It's Boogie Nights!

Jersey Girl News Courtesy of NewsAskew.com



Not only that, he calls it Kevin's best movie as well! Two great quotes
from a Q&A that Ben did with E! Online that bring great praise to Kevin and Jersey Girl (One and Two here if you wanna view them onsite):

Q: The few who've seen it know what you mean. But you and Jennifer are trying again next year, in Kevin Smith's Jersey Girl.

A: Jersey Girl is a beautiful, beautiful movie. It's easily my best performance. It's a wonderful, grown-up, intelligent, classic Hollywood movie. Jennifer's in the first 15 minutes of the movie, but I think it's going to demonstrate that, really, Gigli was about the movie didn't work. But this movie is gonna be me and Jen, and it really, really works.

Q: Jersey Girl is, like, the fourth or fifth movie you've made with Kevin.

A: I think it's Kevin's best movie by far. He did take the risk to go beyond his fan base. He's very comfortable in that teen genre--he knows how to make that audience laugh. He does very well touring colleges with his stand-up shtick. He really does do stand-up, it's embarrassing. But he took a step forward, and he's a little nervous that fans are going to hate this movie. But I think he'll broaden his audience. Jersey Girl is more honest to where he is in life now than, y'know, Jay and Silent Bob saying "Snoochie Boochies."

Having seen the film, we couldn't say that better. While Jersey Girl is defintitely Kevin's biggest departure yet from the Askewniverse type of films, we think you'll all enjoy the way Kevin's taking a new direction with this film. Remember, the last big departure was "Chasing Amy" -- And we all love that one, don't we? In a few more months, you'll all finally be able to see for yourselves! And don't worry, die-hard fans, there will always be plenty of "Snoogans" and whatnot in the cartoons and comics to come. We already can't wait to see what Kevin decides to do with his next project.

Even though I think Jersey Girl will be a very good movie, Affleck's claim about it being his best performance ever doesn't hold much water. He says that about nearly every movie.

By the way, Phantoms will be airing on UPN in the near future.

JG Trailer Now Up!



head over to www.newsaskew.com to check it out


edit: man this flick looks really promising and i have a feeling that it will really deliver.  Maybe it will even sway some minds on this board that think Smith is just a one note writer/director

I laughed at the bottle joke, but otherwise it looks like another "Gee Kids Say the Darndest Things" with a precocious 8 year old. I mean, I'm not judging or getting any preconceived ideas (that's for you P), but I don't really think to highly of Smith in the first place. I'm interested to see how Smith has changed.

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Yeah, this looks really really pathetically bad.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I didn't think it looked that bad.  I mean, it looked simple and cute.  I'm not really a big fan of Ben Affleck either, but I think it looks charming.  I'd see it.

the trailer is supposed to be misleading because it is actually a some what raunchy hard pg13

have faith this one will be good

Raunchy hard, cool, he truly is exploring new areas

yeah he is.  All of his other movies were hard R's.  This movie is a hard pg -13 which is in a totally different realm and it is obviously a much more serious and personal film

Quote from: Brodieyeah he is.  All of his other movies were hard R's.  This movie is a hard pg -13 which is in a totally different realm

yes, in R raunchy he's allowed to say "fuck" more

when will it be available for quicktime???

i'll be there opening night.

If Chasing Amy didn't prove it, this movie will prove that Kevin Smith can write.

Quote from: CinephileIf Chasing Amy didn't prove it, this movie will prove that Kevin Smith can write.

hey one good movie a decade is not bad. i just hope every character in this movie doesn't explain what they're doing, what they've just done, and what they're gonna do in the next scene, using too many adjectives and in the end winking at the camera, jesus christ if they do that we will know he hasn't changed a bit.

yeah and he is also fat so fuck him

u can if u want.

i find his appearance charming, and down-to-earth. just not fuckable.

Quote from: Brodieyeah and he is also fat so fuck him

alfred hitchcock never put up with this shit.

Quote from: Brodieyeah and he is also fat so fuck him

You seem to be the biggest Kevin Smith fan here on this board, and I commend you on that.  What I find funny is you don't really get upset when somebody says, "Kevin Smith sucks!"  But you do get upset when everyone here ignores him.  

I think you HATE that people here are just disinterested in him.

Quote from: Pawbloe

Quote from: Brodieyeah and he is also fat so fuck him

You seem to be the biggest Kevin Smith fan here on this board, and I commend you on that.  What I find funny is you don't really get upset when somebody says, "Kevin Smith sucks!"  But you do get upset when everyone here ignores him.  

I think you HATE that people here are just disinterested in him.

i think HATE is kinda strong but yeah

i just feel like i need to try and promote and stick up for him because there are not many here who will

P by the way,  I love you buddy.

Quote from: Brodie

Quote from: Pawbloe

Quote from: Brodieyeah and he is also fat so fuck him

You seem to be the biggest Kevin Smith fan here on this board, and I commend you on that.  What I find funny is you don't really get upset when somebody says, "Kevin Smith sucks!"  But you do get upset when everyone here ignores him.  

I think you HATE that people here are just disinterested in him.

i think HATE is kinda strong but yeah

i just feel like i need to try and promote and stick up for him because there are not many here who will

P by the way,  I love you buddy.

Im just waiting for you to reveal that you really are Kevin Smith.

Quote from: 82

Quote from: Brodie

Quote from: Pawbloe

Quote from: Brodieyeah and he is also fat so fuck him

You seem to be the biggest Kevin Smith fan here on this board, and I commend you on that.  What I find funny is you don't really get upset when somebody says, "Kevin Smith sucks!"  But you do get upset when everyone here ignores him.  

I think you HATE that people here are just disinterested in him.

i think HATE is kinda strong but yeah

i just feel like i need to try and promote and stick up for him because there are not many here who will

P by the way,  I love you buddy.

Im just waiting for you to reveal that you really are Kevin Smith.

hahaha , it wouldn't surprise me after what he did when Dogma was causing emputamientos

Quote from: Brodie

Quote from: Pawbloe

Quote from: Brodieyeah and he is also fat so fuck him

You seem to be the biggest Kevin Smith fan here on this board, and I commend you on that.  What I find funny is you don't really get upset when somebody says, "Kevin Smith sucks!"  But you do get upset when everyone here ignores him.  

I think you HATE that people here are just disinterested in him.

i think HATE is kinda strong but yeah

i just feel like i need to try and promote and stick up for him because there are not many here who will

P by the way,  I love you buddy.

Smith Fans Unite!

i like smith, but mallrats blew

Quote from: ewardwhen will it be available for quicktime???

Now. Here. (http://download.ifilm.com/qt/portal/2531916_200.mov)

mac what do you think of the trailer

Quote from: ewardi like smith, but mallrats blew

I agree.

Quote from: Brodiemac what do you think of the trailer

Hard to tell what the film will be like. It's a very standard romantic comedy trailer, showing the cute children, parent follies and then switching gears to the romance, all the while the music souring over the one-liners. Geared as a Ben Affleck movie, showing about 2 seconds of Jennifer Lopez. Also, one mention of Kevin Smith (in the voice over) which means they aren't telling audiences "From the writer/director of "Jay & Silent Bob..." and trying go for a broader audience. It could be an above average romantic comedy because of Smith (and that's why I'll go see it), but you wouldn't know it from the trailer.

I would only see this if JLo was mauled by a dog then raped by it... At that point I might go see it.. But it's obvious that she faces a tramatic pregnancy.... Whoopie!

looks like shit.

here's the question Brodie: if you didn't know this was a Kevin Smith movie, would you be interested in it from THAT trailer?

Quote from: themodernage02here's the question Brodie: if you didn't know this was a Kevin Smith movie, would you be interested in it from THAT trailer?

as a huge smith fan....no

but I do trust in him.  Even J&SB I got my laughs worth.

this is what happened to me when the trailer page loaded. true story.

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Quote from: themodernage02here's the question Brodie: if you didn't know this was a Kevin Smith movie, would you be interested in it from THAT trailer?

yeah, i mean i dont think that the trailer is amazing or anything but it does make it out to be good and something i would probably catch

Yea it looks nice & its probably a great movie but if it weren't a Smith flick I wouldn't think the least of this trailer.

Bennifer no more



The on-again, off-again entity known as Bennifer is once again off-again, at least as far as wedding bells are concerned. Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck have called off their engagement.

"I am confirming the report that Jennifer Lopez has ended her engagement to Ben Affleck," the singer/actress' spokesperson said in a statement issued Thursday (January 22). "At this difficult time, we ask that you respect her privacy."

The break of the engagement isn't necessarily a breakup, however. Affleck has simply been telling reporters that there are no immediate plans to reschedule their wedding, which had been postponed indefinitely back in September due to what was called "excessive media attention" (see "Jennifer Lopez And Ben Affleck Postpone Their Wedding"). Since then, there have been persistent rumors that the twosome were having difficulties, starting immediately after their wedding plans were canceled (see "Ben And J. Lo Broken Up?"), and then later as Affleck attended this year's Sundance festival alone and Lopez was spotted without her pink-diamond engagement ring.

Lopez and Affleck met while filming the box-office flop "Gigli" in spring 2002, and became a couple as the singer's second marriage, to choreographer Cris Judd, deteriorated. Lopez filed in July 2002 for a divorce, and by November of that year had announced her engagement with Affleck. Lopez and Judd's divorce became final on January 26, 2003. Lopez previously divorced Ojani Noa in 1997, after one year of marriage. This would have been the first marriage for Affleck.

"We never comment on the personal lives of our clients," Affleck's rep Ken Sunshine said.

so they got engaged after dating for 3 months? famous ppl are so ridiculously stupid w/ relationships and marriages. i gues the media attention thing doesn't help though.

here's a question; do you think it's possible that one reason why many hollywood couples get married so soon is that they already feel like they know eachother before they even met? for instance, say you were to date, um, i don't know, fucking glenn close. say you were going to date glenn close. before you even meet here though, you already have this preconceived perception of what kind of person she is from her films, interviews, etc. it's like your starting a relationship three weeks ahead. (not really, but you get the idea)

Well first of all, I'd make her shave. Fuck.
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This is very funny.

Quote from: ©bradso they got engaged after dating for 3 months? famous ppl are so ridiculously stupid w/ relationships and marriages. i gues the media attention thing doesn't help though.

Thats the main reason these people do it; for the media attention. Do you really think Bennifer had any intentions of getting married? Please.

The same thing with Justin Timberlake and Cameron Diaz. It's pretty easy to spot them.

Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore? Haha..

from Newsaskew.com


**SPOILERS**

Jennifer Lopez has been spared the ordeal of promoting Jersey Girl alongside Ben Affleck, because she dies just 12 minutes into the movie. Kevin Smith insists J.Lo was never expected to promote the movie in the first place. He explains, "There weren't plans beforehand for (Lopez) to be there at the March 5 press junket in New York, so the break-up doesn't affect that. But I expect Ben to get hammered with questions."
Miramax, which will release the movie on March 19, has been playing down her participation in the picture. Lopez barely appears in the trailer, which makes it clear her character dies during the birth of their child early on, and that Affleck's character moves on to a relationship with more prominently featured Liv Tyler. Lopez doesn't even appear on posters for the film. Instead it features Affleck with Raquel Castro, who plays their daughter. Smith adds, "Now that the trailer's out, people are getting (the idea) that it's not a 'Bennifer' movie." Gigli co-stars Lopez and Affleck called an end to their much hyped romance last week.

SPOILERS ABOVE

haha there's nothing above u.

story of my life. again.

This movie just keeps getting more boring and more boring. Am I missing something?

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanThis movie just keeps getting more boring and more boring. Am I missing something?

I figured I'd wait until I saw it before comment.

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Quote from: CinephileIf Chasing Amy didn't prove it, this movie will prove that Kevin Smith can write.

hey one good movie a decade is not bad. i just hope every character in this movie doesn't explain what they're doing, what they've just done, and what they're gonna do in the next scene, using too many adjectives and in the end winking at the camera, jesus christ if they do that we will know he hasn't changed a bit.

I remember watching Hulk for the first time.

[Hulk breaks out of his cage]

"He's breaking out!!!"

Kevin Smith: Money Back If Dissatisfied

Hollywood director Kevin Smith is so confident his latest movie Jersey Girl is a masterpiece, he's offering a ticket refund to anyone dissatisfied with it. Smith, who directs Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez in the film, claims Affleck has given the performance of his life in the forthcoming movie. But he does admit to worrying about how the critical and commercial mauling given to the ex-couple's last film, Gigli, will affect the box-office takings of Jersey Girl. Smith says, "After Gigli, I was, like, 'Oh man - our jobs just got much harder.' But it's not Gigli 2: Bennifer Strikes Back. We're a comeback picture. Affleck has never been as good as he is here. If you're not satisfied, I'd be willing to stand at the door of theaters and be like, 'You don't have to pay.'"

Quote from: MacGuffinKevin Smith: Money Back If Dissatisfied

Hollywood director Kevin Smith is so confident his latest movie Jersey Girl is a masterpiece, he's offering a ticket refund to anyone dissatisfied with it. Smith, who directs Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez in the film, claims Affleck has given the performance of his life in the forthcoming movie. But he does admit to worrying about how the critical and commercial mauling given to the ex-couple's last film, Gigli, will affect the box-office takings of Jersey Girl. Smith says, "After Gigli, I was, like, 'Oh man - our jobs just got much harder.' But it's not Gigli 2: Bennifer Strikes Back. We're a comeback picture. Affleck has never been as good as he is here. If you're not satisfied, I'd be willing to stand at the door of theaters and be like, 'You don't have to pay.'"

I don't know how true this is.  Nothing of it has been mentioned on his official site or message board.

The trailer reminds me of a John Hughes movie. This is a good thing.

i think that shit might be bullshit

edit: it was taken from Entertainment Weekly so it might be true

I just got back from seeing it. Technically, I shouldn't like it. It's kinda sloppy (like all his movies, in that charming way, only with really nice photography this time), very formulaic, kinda bland. His portrayal of women, personified in Liv Tyler's character, is like a thirteen year old boy's fantasy of a mature woman -- very smart, sweet, caring, and also ready to have sympathy sex at the drop of a hat. This is definitely a guy's movie.

But that's also why it kinda works, and why it's sweetness won me over. This is like Smith's love letter to his daughter -- you know that Ben Affleck and Raquel Castro are surrogate for Kevin and  his little girl, and that recognition makes the film far more poignant. There's some really good material between them (the last shot especially).

Smith's edginess pops up every now and then, especially in the school play at the end, which is just ridiculous but also incredibly delightful. I won't spoil what happens. There are also a few cameos that I won't ruin.

I think the movie's been chopped to hell -- test screenings reported a two hour plus running time, but the print I saw was about ninety minutes. There's an opening bookend that you can tell was added just to expedite J Lo's exit from the film. Normally I'd call foul on Harvey's part (speaking of Harvey, wait till you see the hilariously blatant Miramax product placement in the video store Liv Tyler works at, which has more copies of Mimic and Copland than I've ever seen before), but I'm willing to believe that the movie might have dragged if it lasted another forty minutes.

Overall, a mild recommendation. If you liked Family Man, you'll like this.

Hmmm, I just compared Kevin Smith to Brett Ratner.

Quote from: GhostboyHis portrayal of women, personified in Liv Tyler's character, is like a thirteen year old boy's fantasy of a mature woman -- very smart, sweet, caring, and also ready to have sympathy sex at the drop of a hat.

Oh God, he really is John Hughes for the new millenium.

Quote from: GhostboyHmmm, I just compared Kevin Smith to Brett Ratner.

Excellent.

Quote from: GhostboyI just got back from seeing it. Technically, I shouldn't like it. It's kinda sloppy (like all his movies, in that charming way, only with really nice photography this time), very formulaic, kinda bland. His portrayal of women, personified in Liv Tyler's character, is like a thirteen year old boy's fantasy of a mature woman -- very smart, sweet, caring, and also ready to have sympathy sex at the drop of a hat. This is definitely a guy's movie.

But that's also why it kinda works, and why it's sweetness won me over. This is like Smith's love letter to his daughter -- you know that Ben Affleck and Raquel Castro are surrogate for Kevin and  his little girl, and that recognition makes the film far more poignant. There's some really good material between them (the last shot especially).

Smith's edginess pops up every now and then, especially in the school play at the end, which is just ridiculous but also incredibly delightful. I won't spoil what happens. There are also a few cameos that I won't ruin.

I think the movie's been chopped to hell -- test screenings reported a two hour plus running time, but the print I saw was about ninety minutes. There's an opening bookend that you can tell was added just to expedite J Lo's exit from the film. Normally I'd call foul on Harvey's part (speaking of Harvey, wait till you see the hilariously blatant Miramax product placement in the video store Liv Tyler works at, which has more copies of Mimic and Copland than I've ever seen before), but I'm willing to believe that the movie might have dragged if it lasted another forty minutes.

Overall, a mild recommendation. If you liked Family Man, you'll like this.

Hmmm, I just compared Kevin Smith to Brett Ratner.

I'm a huge Smith fan, as most of you know.  For some reason I am really worried about this picture.  Chasing Amy worked for me, beautifully.  I just hope Jersey Girl does to as well.  The problems I had with Chasing Amy was the vulgar sometimes seemed out of place, I hope this clears it up.  Man, your review hasn't lessened or increased my worry.

Also of note: the first song in the movie is by a certain Mrs. Aimee Mann.  Coincidence? This cannot be one of those things...this, please, cannot be that.

Quote from: GhostboyAlso of note: the first song in the movie is by a certain Mrs. Aimee Mann.  Coincidence? This cannot be one of those things...this, please, cannot be that.

NO FUCKING WAY!!!  what a hypocrite!  :roll:

Knowing Smith, he probably did it because a) it remotely fit and b) he knew it'd get that sort of reaction out of Magnolia fans.  He has that kind of sense of humor.

Quote from: GhostboyAlso of note: the first song in the movie is by a certain Mrs. Aimee Mann.  Coincidence? This cannot be one of those things...this, please, cannot be that.

One of the best posts ever.

Kevin Smith makes me giggle.

Smith: Affleck's Hair Is Real
Film-maker Kevin Smith has hit out at reports his pal Ben Affleck is going bald. Smith, who has worked with Affleck on such projects as Dogma, Chasing Amy and the upcoming film Jersey Girl, insists the former fiance of Jennifer Lopez has all his own hair. He says, "That is totally the man's natural hair. We were shooting Jersey Girl, and I came in one day and was like, 'Dude, I read on the net last night that you don't have real hair - that you got into a bar brawl with Vince Vaughn and he pulled your wig piece off.' And he was like, 'I haven't seen Vince Vaughn in two years. Let alone in the bar. Let alone do I have fake hair.'"
~IMDb.com

Silly IMDb.com.

It's still suspicious the way it was hushed up so quickly only to reappear all these months later to be "debunked"

Miramax to Release Smith's Jersey Girl on March 26
Source: Miramax Films

Miramax Films has announced a March 26, 2004 release date of Jersey Girl, Kevin Smith's latest feature project. Jersey Girl, starring Ben Affleck and Liv Tyler, is produced by Smith and his longtime producing partner Scott Mosier through their View Askew production company. The announcement was made today by Miramax chief operating officer Rick Sands. Jersey Girl will open in 1,600 theaters nationwide on March 26, expanding to 2,000 theaters on April 2 and further expanding to 2,500+ theaters on April 9.

Sands stated, "Based on the feedback from research screenings and positive response from key exhibitors, 'Jersey Girl' is proving to have great word of mouth and promises to have strong play through the Easter holiday. This, coupled with the favorable competitive environment, allowed for the date change from March 19th."

"I am pleasantly surprised by the audiences' great reactions to 'Jersey Girl'," said Steve Bunnell, senior vice president, head film buyer, Loews Cineplex Theatres, Inc.

"'Jersey Girl' is a film that can be marketed really well not only to Kevin Smith's fans but to all audiences," said John Lundin, Cinemark USA head film buyer.

Quote from: MacGuffinMiramax to Release Smith's Jersey Girl on March 26
Source: Miramax Films

Miramax Films has announced a March 26, 2004 release date of Jersey Girl, Kevin Smith's latest feature project. Jersey Girl, starring Ben Affleck and Liv Tyler, is produced by Smith and his longtime producing partner Scott Mosier through their View Askew production company. The announcement was made today by Miramax chief operating officer Rick Sands. Jersey Girl will open in 1,600 theaters nationwide on March 26, expanding to 2,000 theaters on April 2 and further expanding to 2,500+ theaters on April 9.

Sands stated, "Based on the feedback from research screenings and positive response from key exhibitors, 'Jersey Girl' is proving to have great word of mouth and promises to have strong play through the Easter holiday. This, coupled with the favorable competitive environment, allowed for the date change from March 19th."

"I am pleasantly surprised by the audiences' great reactions to 'Jersey Girl'," said Steve Bunnell, senior vice president, head film buyer, Loews Cineplex Theatres, Inc.

"'Jersey Girl' is a film that can be marketed really well not only to Kevin Smith's fans but to all audiences," said John Lundin, Cinemark USA head film buyer.

This movie will be good..

FOR ME TO POOP ON!!

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official site is up

www.jerseygirl-movie.com

Quote from: ebeamanThis is really weird, I don't know why but I wanna see this movie so bad now. Now more than ever looking at the website. I gotta say, its actually becoming one of my most anticipated films of the year. I literally can't believe I'm going to be seeing a post-Gigli Ben Affleck/Jlo movie on opening day, lol. I can't even explain why I want to see it but I just really do. It really reminds me of the feeling a good John Hughes movie gives me, watching the trailer I mean. Can't wait for March!

I feel the same way. I love when Kevin Smith does stuff like this (ie chasing amy) Kevin Smith is the best when he does small intimate stuff with people he knows and trusts.

a Kevin Smith movie being anticipated on XIXAX.COM? wow

Quote from: ebeamanIt really reminds me of the feeling a good John Hughes movie gives me

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Quote from: ebeamanThis is really weird, I don't know why but I wanna see this movie so bad now. Now more than ever looking at the website. I gotta say, its actually becoming one of my most anticipated films of the year. I literally can't believe I'm going to be seeing a post-Gigli Ben Affleck/Jlo movie on opening day, lol. I can't even explain why I want to see it but I just really do. It really reminds me of the feeling a good John Hughes movie gives me, watching the trailer I mean. Can't wait for March!

I feel the same way. I love when Kevin Smith does stuff like this (ie chasing amy) Kevin Smith is the best when he does small intimate stuff with people he knows and trusts.

Yes yes, you know exactly what I mean, I can tell. It's a very comforting sort of movie to see, like it's more than just a feel good movie. It's inexplicable really.

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Quote from: ebeamanIt really reminds me of the feeling a good John Hughes movie gives me

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LOL, oh my god, I knew there was some subconcious thing I had going there! That is dead on man, great find you have there. I've never seen that particular Hughes flick but he's somebody who has a very distinct style and it shows there. Lol, I knew there was some connection, thank you.

No problem. Was the first thing that came to mind. Don't have too many good memories of the movie, though.

tagline is hella-lame.

Quote from: ©bradtagline is hella-lame.

Taglines are always usually hella-lame.  Even in the best movies.  I can't say always, because Magnolia's tagline seems to defy all that.

what was that? "80% chance of rain...something, right?

Quote from: OnomatopoeiaTaglines are always usually hella-lame.  Even in the best movies.

a whole thread that says otherwise (http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=1972&start=0).

Quote from: rustinglasswhat was that? "80% chance of rain...something, right?

Things fall down.  People look up.  And when it rains, it pours.

And as for that thread, I'm still not impressed with most taglines.  Usually they border on cheesy rather than saying something profound about the movie.

Affleck & J.Lo Wedding Scene Cut From Jersey Girl
Source: The Associated Press

A wedding scene with Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez has been cut from director Kevin Smith's upcoming Jersey Girl, according to Us Weekly magazine.

"I didn't know if (it was right) to leave it in," Smith is quoted as saying in the March 8 issue. "People might forget they're watching a picture, like, 'Wait, didn't these two NOT get married?'"

Affleck and Lopez were supposed to have married last September, but abruptly postponed their lavish plans "due to the excessive media attention surrounding our wedding." They have since ended their engagement.

Jersey Girl, for which the official website (where there is no mention of Lopez either) just opened, is set for release March 26.

Hilarious.

all courtesy of newsaskew.com

A statment from Kevin Smith

A director's statement is something that's sometimes sent out to film critics and the like when a new film's coming out to explain a bit about themselves and their film. Here's what's making the rounds from Kevin to those about to check out "Jersey Girl". We thought you folks might be interested in seeing what one of these looks like (the usual opening spoiler is ahead, gosh we can't wait 'til we don't hafta say that anymore):

After nearly ten years of telling stories about surly register jockeys, youthful mall denizens, flip-flopping lesbians and the sexually insecure men who love them, fallen angels and other contemporaries of "The Christ" (as we've come to know Him, courtesy of Mad Max Riggs), and amiable stoners who run afoul of the internet, I felt like it was time to really let my hair down. Hence Jersey Girl.
I've never fallen for a gay woman, I've never faced down a rubber Poop Monster, and while I have worked in convenience stores, if I ever dreamed of lipping off to the customers, I would have spent an inordinate amount of time at the mall, as an ex-convenience store employee. But while fiction is always far more entertaining than real life, you need a seed of truth to kick off any good story. For Jersey Girl, it was the reverse: I needed a small point of fiction to tell a much more personal story. Which is why, to this day, my wife still won't believe I wrote the film as a valentine for her - because I kill her proxy off in the first fifteen minutes. Regardless, she is my muse on the flick.

I was working on the ill-fated, ABC-shit-canned Clerks cartoon back in 2000. Needless to say, while it was a gas to write as I exercised my funny bone, that most important of muscles - the heart - was feeling flabby. Granted, it could've been all the Twinkies I was putting away at that pre-Atkins stage of my life; but I like to think I was just eager to write something a little more emotional. So one night, when I got home from a long day of gag-writing, I watched my wife put our then-two-month-old to bed. The pair of them were incredible: Jen, who so naturally took to motherhood, and Harley, who was so pure and perfect. And what was I? The guy who came home at the end of the day. A tourist. I always thought it was a miracle that I had a career in film at all. But the real miracle was playing out in front of my eyes. And from that moment forward, I decided my professional life would have to take a backseat, while I became more present in my personal life.

As my wife turned out the lights in the baby's room, I was struck by this grim thought: that choice wouldn't be mine to make if Harley had made it through delivery but Jen hadn't. How would I deal with the loss of one love of my life while raising the other alone? That night, after Jen went to sleep, I sat down and wrote for two hours. The result was the first fifty pages of what would two years later become the movie you're about to see.

This isn't my funniest or most original film to date. It's not the most controversial or clever either (indeed, some would have me believe I've never made any film that can be described by any of those terms). But it is my most personal. It's not only spun from a six year love affair with my wife and child, but also the thirty three year long love affair I was lucky to share with my own, recently-deceased Dad. It's a movie about fathers, made by one dad who's still learning the ropes as a tribute to his Dad, who made fatherhood an art form. It's about how the only way I could ever fully appreciate what a great Father I had was by becoming one myself.

But most of all, it's about... 103 minutes long.

And if THAT doesn't have you sold on seeing the film, dear fans, well, we dunno what will. See ya'll in the theaters in a few weeks.


Very Positive JG Review @ AICN!



The very widely-read Aint It Cool News website logged a very positve article/review of Jersey Girl today, which is always a good sign as they're a bunch of tough critics over there. Harry's always been a big View Askew fan, and it's great to see that audiences are writing into the site with praise for the film. Here's that review, though we will warn you there are minor spoilers ahead:


I caught a screening of "Jersey Girl" earlier tonight in Baltimore. I had a lot of reservations going in, based on the less positive reviews on your site and its lackluster to say the least trailer, but I really really loved it. While I will need to rewatch 'Chasing Amy' and 'Dogma' before I call this his best film, it is by far the most developed and believable characters Smith has ever written.
As I'm sure you all know, the plot consists of Affleck, as Ollie Trinke, attempting to raise his daughter (the amazingly charismatic Raquel Castro) with some help from his father (George Carlin in a pretty endearing performance), after his wife (J.Lo) dies during childbirth in the first 15 minutes. While certain moments fall flat, what really makes the movie work is the relationship between Affleck and Castro. This is actually a believable father-daughter relationship, not simply the kind we usually see in movies. Not only are we shown the unique bond that these two have, but also included is a scene where the two yell incredibly hurtful things at one another, that anyone who has ever had a bitter fight with a parent will recognize. Surprising, even shocking for a Smith film, there were a few moments where myself and several audience members were moved to tears, most notably one of Carlin's last lines in the movie. All of this leads up to a closing scene that one can only describe as beautiful.

Still, I don't want to undersell all the funny stuff in this movie, as it is for the most part, a comedy. Well, obviously it is a more family-friendly kind of funny, but it's still a relatively strong PG-13, with much conversations involving sex and masturbation.

There is a pretty funny subplot involving Ollie's criticisms of Will Smith that lost him his job, that leads up to a scene that could have been a disaster, but ends up being the best written scene in the movie.

Now, I must say, I hate J. Lo as much as the next guy, but the talk about her opening scenes with Affleck being awful is pure, unadulterated bullshit. This is actually one of the only two movies she didn't piss me off in (the other being the underrated and forgotten 'U-Turn'). Her scenes with Affleck come off as genuine and sort of charming in a way.

Liv Tyler plays a video-store clerk who Affleck starts to fall for, and it is hard to remember a more adorable character than Liv plays in this movie. For an actress whose soft-spoken line readings always annoyed me, here she gives a really sweet performance and is downright lovable as the kind of girl we all dream about.

I honestly don't know why this was pushed till March, while the often painful-to-watch "Cold Mountain" got the big Miramax oscar push. While this wouldn't have really had much of a shot for a Best Picture nom, Raquel Castro would've been a leading contender for Best Supporting Actress, and possibly even Affleck for Best Actor, in what is definitely the best performance of his career (not saying much for Mr. Reindeer Games I know, but still).

I know many will say this is Smith selling out, but in my opinion, this is really just him maturing as a filmmaker, similiar to how I felt "Big Fish" was for Tim Burton.

While it's not a perfect movie, it's a bonafide crowd please that doesn't pander to its audience, is consistently entertaining, and one of the better portrayals of a father-daughter relationship to ever hit the screen.AICN



You gotta love that kind of a review.  Man this anticipation is starting to affect me.

im keepin the JG press streamin

heres an interview with star Liv Tyler about her role in the film



Liv It Up
An Interview with Liv Tyler
By Antony Teofilo

Antony Teofilo: This is your first foray into a ViewAskew film. How do you feel about working with Kevin Smith?

Liv Tyler: It's been so much fun, particularly for me, because all I've really worked on for the last three years was THE LORD OF THE RINGS. This is the first thing I've done post [LOTR], and JERSEY GIRL is such a different experience for me. When I was making [LOTR], I used to joke around because everything is so heavy, and the language is so intense, I'd always say, 'I just want to be in a diner!' On my first day of JERSEY GIRL, I did a scene in a diner. That was my wish, and it came true! [Laughs]



AT: How do you feel about JERSEY GIRL as a project thus far?

LT: I'm very excited, and was very flattered that Kevin wanted me to be a part of it. I've been enjoying working with Kevin, particularly because he's such a great writer. You keep discovering things, and it continues to be fresh and interesting as you perform. He's very natural, and he writes things in a way people actually speak, so it's great to be able to speak those words.

AT: Can you tell me a little bit about the rehearsal process? I've heard Kevin's a stickler when it comes to rehearsal...

LT: [Smiles] I had to skip out of the rehearsal process. I was in London doing post-production work on LOTR. I just had to come and work right away on my first day.

AT: You're crossing from THE LORD OF THE RINGS, which has a huge fan base that borders sometimes on near-religious fanaticism...

LT: Not unlike Kevin's world...[Laughs]

AT: That's sort of what I was getting at. What's it like to be at the center of that kind of a loyal, or some would say rabid, community of fans? Is it intimidating? Do you ever regret being part of something that's such a juggernaut, like LOTR?

LT: There was lots of weird stuff on the internet before the movie came out. I went and looked at one of the websites, and I was so bummed out because they were saying things that were really mean about me.

AT: Like what?

LT: Well, they weren't anything to do with the movie, they were like personal attacks, like I was the spoiled daughter of a rock star, that I was too Hollywood to play Arwen. Anyone who knows me well can tell you that I'm far from a spoiled daughter of a rock star...I didn't actually know who my dad was until I was an older kid. I didn't have a very easy upbringing...but then when the movie came out the criticism sort of died down. Then I realized that the fans are quite picky about everything...there wasn't really a time where they picked on me any more than anyone else.



AT: How did you get past dealing with that sort of intense critical appraisal of your performances?

LT: I just stopped looking, really. I [realized] that I don't care about those opinions as much as the opinions that come from my friends and my family. Those opinions means something to me. On the other hand, it's also been really exciting that so many people are interested in it and want to see it, that's for sure.

AT: Getting back the present, the character you play in JERSEY GIRL has some pretty intense emotional scenes...

LT: It's actually a really simple little scene where Maya's very sad and frustrated because she's tried to lie herself through a situation, and it's pretty heartbreaking.

AT: Many performers have spoken about the challenge of crying on camera...where do you go internally when you've got to do something like that?

LT: Um, I don't really like talking about acting.

AT: Why?

LT: It's so personal. And I personally just hate reading about someone who goes on and on about, 'Well, my process is this and that...' I just want to say 'Shut up you pretentious jerk!' [Laughs]

AT: Well, we won't think you're pretentious if you want to share.

LT: For me, I just put myself into the mind of the person I'm portraying. If it's really well-written, and you're speaking the words, [the script] should move you to that place anyway. If you're really in the moment it can happen naturally. The moments that are more difficult are the ones where there's no dialogue and you've got to get yourself into that place. Or, just use a tear stick. [Laughs]

AT: What's a tear stick?

LT: It's basically menthol that you can jab in your eye or blow in your eye. What's good about it is that for those moments where you don't want to beat yourself up, it just kind of makes your eyes water a little. It starts the feeling, but you have to make it happen, too.

AT: I heard you mention the other day that you like performing on camera, but you don't like being in front of a live audience.


LT: I have terrible stage fright.

AT: Really? What happens when you get stage fright?

LT: If I do an awards show, I have to take a beta-blocker. My heart pounds so fast and then I start to breathe weird and then I can't speak, and I start to pass out. I once almost passed out at a press conference in Cannes with Ben and Bruce Willis and everybody for ARMAGEDDON. It's weird because I'm not a shy person, but as soon as I get in front of big groups of people I get really panicked...I think people just expect that you're comfortable everything, but just because you're famous doesn't mean that things aren't scary.

AT: Do you think the public has a lot of misperceptions about celebrities personal lives?

LT: Yes. That's sort of due to the tabloids and how intrusive they are. It can get downright scary. It think my driver sort of likes it when tabloid photographers chase us, because he gets to do all these stunt driving tricks, and drive the wrong way down sixth avenue. [Laughs].



AT: You've mentioned media scrutiny, mean spirited fans and stage fright as some of the downsides to what you do. What do you like about your profession?

LT: My favorite part is the terror, particularly on my first day [on set], just that feeling of not knowing what's going to happen. You can come very prepared, but when you get there, you don't know what the director really has in mind. You feel like you're going to let everyone down, and then somehow you manage to pull through and actually function. To me, that's always a really rewarding feeling.

And having moments with actors is really good. I really like working with Ben [Affleck] a lot. I really enjoyed working with him in ARMAGEDDON. He really listens, and you can really get lost in the scene with him. A lot of actors don't listen. They're just thinking about what they're going to say next. The greatest part about this job to me is just forgetting where you are and getting lost in the moment.

Ben's 'Jersey' girl is Raquel not Jen
Source: Hollywood Reporter

Smith story: When a film crashes and burns big time as "Gigli" did, the fallout can impact in a big way on its stars, especially if they're re-teamed in a new project. In the case of Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez, they are but they aren't.

While Affleck stars in Miramax's "Jersey Girl," written and directed by Kevin Smith ("Clerks," "Chasing Amy"), Lopez only has a cameo role as Affleck's wife and dies 15 minutes into the movie. Affleck's real co-star is Raquel Castro, the adorable 9-year-old who plays his daughter and looks so much like Lopez that you'd swear they were mother and daughter.

"Jersey," opening wide Mar. 26, is produced by Scott Mosier (who's partnered with Smith on six films to date) and executive produced by Bob Weinstein, Harvey Weinstein and Jonathan Gordon. Also starring are Liv Tyler, George Carlin, Stephen Root, Mike Starr and Jason Biggs.

Having had an early look at "Jersey" Thursday afternoon, I was pleasantly surprised because like many people I thought it would be something along the lines of "Gigli 2." But that's just not the case. This is a sweet father-daughter story that Smith tells so believably well that even I wound up enjoying it -- and, in all honesty, this isn't the kind of film I generally like. Although Lopez's role in the movie is very abbreviated and she disappears quickly, she does have a few scenes with Affleck where they have exactly the sort of good romantic chemistry that somehow didn't materialize in "Gigli."

Affleck plays Ollie, a former superstar New York publicist whose career died after his wife Gertrude died giving birth to their daughter Gertie. Ollie moves back home to New Jersey with the infant Gertie (Castro) to live with his widowed father (Carlin). The film's adult female lead is actually Tyler, who plays Maya, a video store clerk (what else with Smith writing and directing?) who meets Ollie when he brings Gertie to rent a tape. While Gertie's busy considering videos, Ollie ducks into the adult section to grab something for himself. When he checks out, Maya's interest is aroused and romance takes its course.

Along the way, Ollie tries hard to resurrect the PR career that blew up in his face seven years earlier when he badly mishandled a press conference where then-TV star Will Smith was late in arriving. Desperately trying to get back in action now, Ollie meets with the heads of one PR firm, who Smith has played by Matt Damon and Jason Lee (who's worked with Smith in films like "Chasing Amy," "Dogma" and "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back"). After determining that Ollie is, indeed, the legendary PR guy who told off that jam packed press conference and then had some choice words to say about Smith, they make it instantly clear that there's no way in hell they'd ever hire him.

Smith gives us another great insider moment when Ollie's pitching for a job at a top of the line New York PR firm called "Angellotti" -- presumably after Hollywood Oscar marketing and publicity maestro Tony Angellotti. While he's there, who turns up and somehow winds up also sitting in the waiting room next to Ollie? None other than Will Smith, of course. Ollie, of course, recognizes Smith, who by then is a movie superstar (so why is he cooling his heels in the waiting room other than because the story needs him to do so?). Smith, who has no idea who Ollie is or how their lives once intersected, gives Ollie some random words of advice that finally set him on the right track in his life.

When I spoke recently to Smith about "Jersey" he told me that despite all the media fuss about Ben & Jen that stemmed from "Gigli," he's still happy he cast Lopez in "Jersey." "She's great in the movie," he explained. "Without her, I don't think we would have gotten the same committed, wonderful performance that we got out of Ben. I'd have gotten something great out of him, but I really got what I feel is something magical out of him because he was so in love with Jen while we were shooting the movie. And that comes across in their limited time together on screen. But it really comes across when she prepares to die and she's out of the movie. You feel a sense of lose from this for the rest of the film. I think that's largely because he was really into Jen while we were shooting.

"Also, I was glad to cast Jen because we also cast Raquel Castro, primarily because she looks like Jennifer Lopez. When she first came in the room, I was shocked by how close to Jennifer she looked. She looked like a mini Jennifer. And then, thankfully, her performance was also way up there. But the reason we started looking at her more closely was because she bore a resemblance to Jennifer."

Lopez, Smith added, "was really crucial to this movie. And even though stuff happened with 'Gigli' it doesn't matter to me because without Jen I don't think the movie would be as good as it is on all those fronts. Then, of course, there's always the question of, 'That's great for the making of the movie, but what about the marketing of the movie? How does that affect selling the movie?' Thank God, that's not my job. That's the job of Miramax. But the fact that 'Gigli' did kind of bomb, gives us the opportunity for us to be the come-back picture (for Affleck). I'm always for the underdog story. And it forces the marketing to be a bit more honest. I think if 'Gigli' had been a big hit, you probably would have seen a poster that had Ben and Jen on it. And that's not really the movie because Jennifer dies in the first 15 minutes. Because 'Gigli' died (at the boxoffice) we got marketing that I really believe in that sells the movie honestly. It's a story about a guy and his kid and a story about a guy and his father."

Looking back at how he came to write the film's screenplay, Smith told me, "I was working on the 'Clerks' cartoon (the short lived ABC-TV animated series spin-off from Smith's career launching Sundance and Cannes Film Festival award winning feature) at the time back in 2000. It was fun, but a lot of gag writing and there was not a lot of substance to it. So I was kind of hoping to do something at the same time that might have a little more weight to it so I could exercise the other part of the brain. We were out in California. We were stationed, if you will, out there for a few months with the show. I came home and my wife was putting our six month old to bed. I was really kind of moved by it -- kind of swept up by the feeling of like what if my wife had died and left me with a kid? How on earth would I have possibly done this alone because we worked as such a really good team?

"I figured it's not uncommon for most new fathers to think that way and I just kind of responded to it by starting to write the script. I did 50 pages in two hours. I checked it out and I liked what I had. Then I put it in a drawer and sat on it for a year and a half. There was a moment where I was like, 'Do I want to do this movie next or do I want to do the 'Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back' movie?' I decided to do that instead."

Fate, as often is the case, stepped in to sort things out. "The Fourth of July 2001, before 'Jay and Bob' came out, I was at Affleck's for a barbecue," said Smith, who's collaborated with Affleck on five films, including "Jersey." "He was harassing me about doing what he called 'Chasing Amy.' He was like, 'I want to do something where we rehearse it a lot and we do a lot of dialogue and it's all about the story. And I'm not going to be marketing the movie while we're making the movie. He was just coming off the 'Pearl Harbor' press junket at the time.

"He tends to romanticize that 'Chasing Amy' period, I think, because that was the last moment before he was Ben Affleck Movie Star. He wanted to do something more intimate and something that was more about the performance than the special effects. I said, 'Well, I started writing this thing a year and a half ago. It's 50 pages long. Do you want to check it out?' He said yes. So I dropped it off to him and he read it and immediately called me back and was like, 'This is it! This is what we've gotta do. Finish this. This is the thing that we should do next.' So I finished it and it became 'Jersey Girl.'"

How long did it take to write? "That was July when he read it," he replied. "I wrote a little bit more between that and the release of 'Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back' and (doing) all the press and whatnot. Then September 11 happened and I got real busy with doing benefits and things like that back east. So by the time I wrapped it all up, I moved out to California in January 2002. In the first two weeks I got there I finished the script. All told, it was probably a total of a three week write with all the combination of time."

After that, it turned into a movie quickly. "He was on board. I wanted to do it. I gave it to Miramax. They loved the script. So we started moving forward from there," Smith explained.

Asked about casting "Jersey's" other key roles, Smith said, "I'd written the role of (Ollie's) dad for George Carlin. I didn't know how Miramax was going to take to it. I thought they might want me to cast somebody more well known, but frankly they were just like, 'Yeah, Carlin's great.' I had Liv Tyler in mind while I was writing because I was a big fan of the movie she did 'Inventing the Abbotts.' So we started to bang down her door. We were trying to figure out who would play the older Gertrude and my wife when she read the script said, 'I just watched 'The Wedding Planner' and Jennifer Lopez was really great in it.' And I said, 'Yeah, but Ben just shot as movie called 'Gigli' with her. A couple weeks ago they'd just wrapped. So I was like, 'I don't know if he's going to want to do another movie with her again so soon.'

"And then, ironically enough, he called me a week later and said, 'Hey, I was thinking maybe for Gertrude this actress I just worked with -- Jennifer Lopez -- in 'Gigli." And I was like, 'Really? You'd want to do a movie with her (again) so soon?' And he's like, 'Yeah. I mean it's only a cameo really in your movie, but I talked to her about the movie while we were on the 'Gigli' set and she really dug it.' So we asked Jennifer if she wanted in and she did."

In production, Smith said, "We were based in Philly and shot in Jersey and also shot in Manhattan. It was a pretty stress free, problem free shoot. The City of Philadelphia was wonderful. The people in Philly were great. The crew base was magnificent. And while we were shooting, Ben & Jen mania hadn't even kicked in yet. So those two were together, but we weren't hounded. There was no paparazzi, no press until we got to New York City for the last two days of the shoot. And then suddenly the paparazzi came out in full force and you started to get the impression that people were really fascinated by this relationship for whatever reason. So up until that point, we were relatively non-harassed. But once we got to Manhattan, literally a hundred paparazzi showed up in Central Park while we were shooting a very quick shot of Ben & Jen in a (horse drawn) carriage. It was like nothing I'd ever seen before."

Although "Jersey" doesn't hit theaters until Mar. 26, Miramax co-chairman Harvey Weinstein is clearly so enthusiastic about the film that in February he handed Smith "The Green Hornet" to write and direct. Miramax has high hopes that Smith can turn the classic comic book, whose roots are in a radio serial that began in 1936, into a movie franchise.

"He seemed to like our movie enough to give me 'The Green Hornet,' which is kind of cool," Smith observed. "I can't wait to do it. I'm a huge comic book nut. I did a lot of comic book writing for Marvel and D.C. and I've been a reader forever. So the chance to make a comic book movie is a big opportunity for me and it's one I kind of relish. But it's also a little frightening because it's a bigger movie than I've ever done before. And it also has special effects and you've got to be very visually interesting. So I had a bit of trepidation going into it, but I just realized it's no different than the other movies inasmuch as you surround yourself with people who are excellent at their jobs, a great support team, and everyone has equipped themselves as well as they can and you come up with the final picture.

"My goal for the movie is to just make whoever plays Britt Reid, the secret identity of the Green Hornet, as compelling a character as he is when he's in costume. So often with these comic book movies, it's great when they're in the suit but when they're not in the suit you just don't even care. Or the villain is far more interesting than the hero. I just want to make one where the hero is the most interesting guy in the movie and you care about him when he's out of costume, as well. There's a reason why the movies were called 'Batman' and not 'Joker.' And there's a reason why this one will be called 'Green Hornet' because the Green Hornet better be the most compelling character."

What Smith particularly likes about working with "Green Hornet," he pointed out, is that, "Unlike say 'The Hulk' or 'Spider-Man' or 'Superman' or 'Batman,' it's not like it's a character or property that people know the ins and outs of and know every aspect of the character's history and every story ever told about him. 'The Green Hornet' is kind of known by what he looks like and it's known that he hangs out with Kato, his sidekick and chauffer who does kung fu. And some people know that he's got a car called the Black Beauty. Other than that, that's it. There's not a lot that people know about the character. There's not a lot of history that you've got to make sure you stick biblically close to. There's a lot more wiggle room with 'The Green Hornet' than there is with something like 'Spider-Man.' So that's kind of good for me. It helps that it's a known property, but at the same time it really helps creatively that you can kind of go in a bunch of different directions with it so long as you (handle) the key aspects of the character correctly."

When we spoke Smith was about 50 pages into writing "Green Hornet." Asked when he thought he'd have a draft done, he said, "Once I get off the 'Jersey Girl' press tour, I'm going to devote myself to it entirely. We're hoping to be shooting by the end of the summer or the (early) fall. Somewhere in there."

Is he going back to read volume after volume of "Green Hornet" comic books? "Not so much," he replied. "With 'Green Hornet' I've been listening to all the old radio shows and I've watched the one season of the TV show they did (in 1966 which starred Van Williams as the Hornet and introduced Bruce Lee as Kato). In terms of the comic stuff, I was very familiar with it from when I was a collector -- the more recent comic stuff, not the old 1940s or 1950s comics. But I also looked at other comic books for inspiration. You read a bunch of stuff that gets you pumped up."

Smith's connections to the world of comic books go beyond moviemaking. "We have a comic book store in Redbank, New Jersey called 'Jay and Silent Bob's Silent Stash.' We've had it since '97 and it's been very successful. It's a comic book store and we sell a lot of memorabilia and merchandise from our movies. We put up a lot of props from all the movies we've worked on. Now we're going to open up a version (of this store in L.A.) in Westwood. We're aiming for June 1 (to open) right now."

it's a cameo now, baby!

Quote from: Pedro the Wombatit's a cameo now, baby!

that's what they want you to think...

Kevin Smith just did a huge interview with Hero Realm and aside from talk of "Jersey Girl", the "Green Hornet" came up and he spoke a LOT about how Miramax will be involved in the production process - click here (http://www.herorealm.com/Interviews/k_smith1.htm) for that.

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Quote from: MacGuffinKevin Smith: Money Back If Dissatisfied

Hollywood director Kevin Smith is so confident his latest movie Jersey Girl is a masterpiece, he's offering a ticket refund to anyone dissatisfied with it. Smith, who directs Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez in the film, claims Affleck has given the performance of his life in the forthcoming movie. But he does admit to worrying about how the critical and commercial mauling given to the ex-couple's last film, Gigli, will affect the box-office takings of Jersey Girl. Smith says, "After Gigli, I was, like, 'Oh man - our jobs just got much harder.' But it's not Gigli 2: Bennifer Strikes Back. We're a comeback picture. Affleck has never been as good as he is here. If you're not satisfied, I'd be willing to stand at the door of theaters and be like, 'You don't have to pay.'"

I don't know how true this is.  Nothing of it has been mentioned on his official site or message board.

M: There was an article about you refunding people's money if they don't like “Jersey Girl.”

KS: That was horse shit! That was me getting pulled out of context. I would never make that claim solely because even if people absolutely love the movie, they would still want their money back. The dude offered, right? “Entertainment Weekly” had the quote that said something like “I would almost be willing to stand outside theaters and tell people they didn't have to pay.” Suddenly that went to “Smith offering money back guarantee!” That's not the case. In this very litigious culture we live in, you know there's a class action lawsuit lying in wait where people are going “He said he was going to give our money back.”

Quote from: Kevin SmithBut most of all, it's about... 103 minutes long.

:shock:

I remember a few months ago, he was saying that he was having a hard time trimming it down from a 138 minute running time.  

That's a lotta missing J. Lo.

another review

Jersey Girl: Drama/Comedy. Starring Ben Affleck, Liv Tyler, Raquel Castro. Directed by Kevin Smith. (PG-13. 103 minutes. Opens March 26th, nationwide.)
While this particular film would appear to have fairly little in common, thematically, with earlier films by director Kevin Smith (Clerks, Chasing Amy, Dogma, Hercules and Xena), the currents that run (not silent, but deep) beneath should be more than obvious to any maturing fan of the auteur's work.

Smith's signature style, which many believe came to its fruition in Dogma, is the subtle, yet ofttimes brash manner in which he has captured the male/male and male/female dynamic. In his earlier films, he completely obliterates the staid conventions of stunted and faux interactions between friends, lovers, and competitors, and offers the viewer a raw portal into the way real people interact in real life situations. Granted, not many of us have to oversee a much-pined over ex-girlfriend hauled away mentally shaken after having sex with a cadaver, but Smith attempts, admirably I might add, to show you how you probably would react. Moving forward to Jersey Girl, Smith has turned his piercing gaze and penchant for sharp, insightful dialogue onto the father/daughter dynamic, with uncannily accurate and invariably joyous results.

Although many of the negatives associated with this movie revolved solely around casting (in case you currently inhabit a charming studio flat underneath a sedimentary or limestone rock, this movie features Wonder Twins "Bennifer"), immediately branding this movie "Gigli 2: Fail Harder" would serve as both a disservice to the cast, as well as to the 47 people who actually saw the ill-fated first cinematic outing of Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez. This cast shines from the opening bell (shortly after the Pixar-inspired animation featuring Greek chorusesque Jay and Silent Bob from previous Smith films) to emotion-soaked finish.

Oft-maligned yet charmingly, and oddly veteran Ben Affleck (Paycheck, Changing Lanes, Buffy the Vampire Slayer (TV)) opts to do more than just show up on the set, churning out what can only be described as Kevin Smith inspired acting gold. It's hard to put one's finger on it, and define it as a tangbile thing, but Affleck shines when under Smith's tutelage in such a way as to forget such painfully maladroit performances as "Reindeer Games" and "Pearl Harbor." Perhaps its the deceptively intelligent dialogue, perhaps its the trust he's shown, perhaps its pixie dust secreted away in one of Smith's frequently worn custom baseball jerseys, but when Affleck acts for Smith, he is transformed into a completely different person.

Always lovely, almost to the point of distraction, Liv Tyler (The Lord of the Rings, Aerosmith: The Reckoning) turns in one of the most disarmingly earnest performances of her young career. Although most viewers will recognize her most clearly as the Elven cardboard stand-up "Arwen" from the LOTR trilogy, Tyler definitely shows a more human side in this outing. Her delivery of verbal barbs, cockney rhymes, and most of all, incredibly gut-wrenching brave lies keeps your eyes and ears glued to her whenever she graces the screen. Her acting was effortless and her demeanor charming throughout, defying viewers not to fall in love with her goofily sultry charms.

Vanimle sila tiri, Liv...Amin naa lle nai.

The real find in this cinematic haystack is newcomer Raquel Castro (Third Watch, 2nd grade). She has an innate ability to communicate more with a glance than a dumpster full of semaphores. Most child actors come to the plate with that doe-eyed precociousness that makes you want to pinch their cheeks until acidic regurgitation ensues; and while Raquel does indeed have both aforementioned arrows in her quiver, she only uses them when necessary, and never in lieu of more accomplished and appropriate skills. When she rages, she rages, when she loves, she loves, and when she whines, she whines...she is exactly what a girl at that age, in that situation would be. When she smiles, you smile, until your cheeks hurt, and you feel good for having done it.

Any discussion of the cast would be remiss if it failed to include acerbic comedy legend turned cuddly yet bristly, George Carlin. Cast as Affleck's character's father, Carlin ably shows previously untapped reserves of pathos, yearning, and tough love, as he helps his wayward son realize that its time become who he is, not who he used to be. Unless previously overlooked, this might be Smith's first foray into the father/son dynamic, and, true to form, he doesn't fail to squarely nail it. As much as this movie seems to serve as a love letter to Smith's daughter, I think it clearly tacks a "P.S." 'I love and miss you, Dad.' to Smith's recently passed away father. Both messages are delivered clearly, and poignantly.

Rounding out the cast is American Pie's amiable Jason Biggs, NewsRadio's irascible Stephen Root, Ed's curmudgeonly Mike Starr, and the previously hinted at Jennifer Lopez. While the former performers are all admirable in supporting roles (please stop trying to suss out whether Root and Star are meant to be a kinder, more gentler Jay and Silent Bob), Jennifer Lopez steps up to the plate and delivers a fantastic, yet sadly aphoristic performance. Lopez (Anaconda, In Living Color) has little time to shine, but shine she surely does, most often as playful foil to career-obsessed Affleck. Its not the intent of this article to reveal why Lopez' role is truncated in this film, regardless of what you may have read about 'cutting room floor' and the break up of the once tabloid-friendly couple, but suffice it to say that the chemistry between these two stars could have easily filled an entire movie; and perhaps should have, had their first outing been helmed by a superior director.

My prediction, about this film, is that if it is able to avoid the bulk of the pre-hype Bennifer fallout spin, it has a very good chance of not only breaking, but obliterating the 30 million glass ceiling Mr. Smith's movies seem to have run up against.

Advisory: This film contains partial nudity, bear baiting, sex jokes and drug references

this comment should seal the deal for everyone

Not since watching E.T. have I experienced such a wide range of emotion from a movie. Writer/Director Kevin Smith created what will certainly become a classic. There was richness and depth of emotion that we haven't seen from him in the past. The cast worked well as an ensemble and this was Ben Affleck's best performance yet. You will want to see this movie more than once.

Banky, I saw the site that review was from...go back to it and look to the right of the column, there are some job listings...I question the validity of that review.

i knew it wasnt really from the San Fransico Chronicle but it could still be a real review

Just please don't go expecting anything close to E.T.

Banky, this is your PDL, isn't it?

well yeah i never thought of it like that but this to me is like a PTA movie opening soon to you.  I dont know if i phrased that right but i think you know what i mean.  You know i have just been a fan of Smith's for a long long time and its good to see one of his films being positivley reviewed and anticipated.  I have really high expectations for this movie and i really really hope that it will do well at the box office.  Thats why all you fuckos have to go see it opening weekend.  I hope that all of you have put aside that PTA/Smith rivalry bullshit from a while back.

Yeah, the rivalry never really meant much to me. I just really don't like Kevin Smith movies.

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanYeah, the rivalry never really meant much to me. I just really don't like Kevin Smith movies.

totally. the (one-sided) rivalry was just a stupid coincidence that confirmed to me that there's sumthing really immature about smith.

i still like clerks and chasing amy a lot, the others i wouldn't shit on. so i'll be seeing jersey girl cos it sounds like it could be one of his non-stupid movies.

Quote from: Pubricki still like clerks and chasing amy a lot, the others i wouldn't shit on. so i'll be seeing jersey girl cos it sounds like it could be one of his non-stupid movies.

me too.  i hated HATED HATED jasbsb, but since i really liked smith when i was in high school i will give him at least this one chance to make another good one.  i will give him the benefit of the doubt.  i HOPE its good, but who knows.  i cant say i'm excited about it.

i liked Dogma alot.......i  think that and Clerks/Chasing Amy are brilliant....plus  .in Dogma the script  is great......i have always liked the jline where damon and affleck are talking to each other in the parking garage and the lines that follow are something like this:

Affleck: "These humans have besmurched everything that God has bestowed upon them.....They were given Paradise and they threw it away.......They were given this planet and they're destroying it......Humans were favored best among all God's endeavors....and some of them don't even believe He exists."

thats cool stuff......Dogma is way underrated.......

agree but neon i gotta say, i liked your old MD avatar better

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Agreed.

Quote from: Bankyagree but neon i gotta say, i liked your old MD avatar better

yeah you and cinephile are right........i really want the one(possible theatrical poster)??.......it's pretty basic..it has the LA city-scape at night.and at the top is has the title but done like a street sign......someone help a brother out and find me one...???.thanks

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for anyone interested, Affleck is hosting SNL tonight and Smith is rumored to appear

Is it just me or did Affleck look a little portly on SNL? Mostly really good sketches though, especially the Appalachian hospital and the Top O' The Morning Show. And Affleck's gay wedding.

yeah it was funny but no Smith.  Yeah he did look a little heafty in the neck area

Quote from: GhostboyIs it just me or did Affleck look a little portly on SNL? Mostly really good sketches though, especially the Appalachian hospital and the Top O' The Morning Show. And Affleck's gay wedding.

yeah i noticed the portly during the promos this week and was confirmed last nite.  the show, however, was pretty damn funny especially compared to most of this season which has blown hard.  the bangkok commercials were funny too.

Quote from: Bankyyeah it was funny but no Smith

That's because he's here, in Austin, for SXSW.  JG is showing tonight, Smith is hosting.  I will not be attending.

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Quote from: GhostboyIs it just me or did Affleck look a little portly on SNL? Mostly really good sketches though, especially the Appalachian hospital and the Top O' The Morning Show. And Affleck's gay wedding.

yeah i noticed the portly during the promos this week and was confirmed last nite.  the show, however, was pretty damn funny especially compared to most of this season which has blown hard.  the bangkok commercials were funny too.

Funny, if you ask me, SNL's better than it's been in years now, despite their poor host selection.  This is largely due in part to the surprising fact that a lot of the "poor hosts" have actually done a good job.  I wasn't expecting too much from Justin Timberlake, Nick Lachey and Jessica Simpson, or Christina Aguilera, but all of those episodes had some great moments.  The only really weak episode I can think of from this season has been the Al Sharpton/Pink one.  Jimmy Fallon's radio guy sketch is quickly becoming classic.  I did however think that the Appalachian Emergency Room sketch was rather lame.  Agreed, though, that the Bangkok commercials were inspired.  And say what you want about Ben Affleck, but I find it impossible to dislike him.  All accounts make it seem as if he's such a down-to-earth, affable fellow.

PARDON MY INTERUPTION.......BUT

Mac and Mod............thanks for the help..........

i will get on it soon....thanks.....

Quote from: Bankywell yeah i never thought of it like that but this to me is like a PTA movie opening soon to you.  I dont know if i phrased that right but i think you know what i mean.  You know i have just been a fan of Smith's for a long long time and its good to see one of his films being positivley reviewed and anticipated.  I have really high expectations for this movie and i really really hope that it will do well at the box office.  Thats why all you fuckos have to go see it opening weekend.  I hope that all of you have put aside that PTA/Smith rivalry bullshit from a while back.

I'm in the same boat as Banky.  I've been following this film very closely since announcement.  I am a little worried, I hope it doesn't get cheesy sentimental, but Capra sentimental.

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Indeed, our old friend Grig.  You are the first one to notice it, I thought it would have more of a response on here.

i love that movie.  I heard they used old clothes from Star wars for thier costumes.

Quote from: Bankyi love that movie.  I heard they used old clothes from Star wars for thier costumes.

Funny.  So do I.  Well, if you count my Ewok underoos, that is.

what is with "walking on sunshine" playing in the commercials?

damn

yeah im not a fan of that choice of music either

'Jersey Girl' Screens at Film Festival

AUSTIN, Texas - Bennifer's last hurrah took place at the South by Southwest film festival, where "Jersey Girl," starring Ben Affleck and (very briefly) Jennifer Lopez, was shown before a wildly enthusiastic crowd.

Director-writer Kevin Smith told the sold-out audience afterward that he's still happy to have the former off-screen couple play an on-screen couple in his film, despite the disastrous "Gigli," their previous cinematic pairing.

"I've always been a fan of `Out of Sight,'" Smith said Sunday night, referring to the Steven Soderbergh film in which Lopez co-starred with George Clooney.

But the real reason he chose her? "Affleck asked me," he deadpanned.

Smith said his wife suggested casting Lopez as Affleck's wife: "I said, 'Really? He's making a movie with her right now. It's called "Gigli." Should be a huge hit.'"

Notoriously, it wasn't - and neither was their extremely public relationship. Affleck and Lopez - "Bennifer," as they became known - were supposed to have married in a lavish ceremony last September, but abruptly called it off and blamed the media for its constant scrutiny.

Smith similarly canceled their wedding plans in the movie. He cut the scene in which they walk down the aisle, limiting her already brief screen time. Lopez's character dies during childbirth within the first few minutes, forcing Affleck's character, a high-powered music publicist, to re-examine his life as he raises their daughter on his own.

"I think we got better work out of him because it was her," Smith said of Affleck, who has several emotional scenes.

The director acknowledged that "Jersey Girl" is vastly different from the movies on which he's built his loyal fan base, including "Clerks" and "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back," with their stoned characters and obscure comic book references.

"That's me on a soft day - kinda warm and gooey," Smith said after the closing credits stopped rolling. "It came from being married. It came from having a kid."

"The next movie I'm thinking about making is about a puppy," he added.

Quote from: MacGuffin"The next movie I'm thinking about making is about a puppy," he added.

Oh that Kevin Smith.... back to cracking jokes......... right, Kevin?..... RIGHT, KEVIN?!?!

Quote from: meatwadwhat is with "walking on sunshine" playing in the commercials?

damn

oh man, i'm glad someone said it.  its the FUCKING worst!  haha, the 'hey all you chicks, we've got a movie for you!  its a generic romantic comedy' music, ugh.

with the release just over a week away im really looking forward to seeing this as i hope some of you are but here are a few things that i thought some might be interested in

if nothing else you have to respect the guy for caring about his fans.  He dropped by the viewaskew message board to drop some info on the dvd for Jersey Girl ridiculously early

Will hit shelves sometime in October 2004.
Will include a commentary with Kevin, Affleck, maybe more.
All deleted and alternate scenes will be included.
Best of all, will include a 2+ hour director's cut of the film!

I think that is great that his original 2 hour plus edit will be there because i heard some of the missing Beniffer stuff is actually really good
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heres a link to the newsaskew site where they have Kevins appearence on the tonight show last night which is very enjoyable and listen for what he wishes he could put on the films poster which i thought was very funny

http://www.newsaskew.com/

Two-hour cut, eh?  J-Lo's gonna creep back in.  It'll be like outtakes or something.  Hehe.

Seriously, though, I can't help but sort of want to see this movie, despite its AWFUL commercial and Hollywood, candy-coated, John-Hughes-slash-Cameron-Crowe feel to it.  Part of me wants to say "gag me with a spoon" while the other part just can't wait for another Kevin Smith flick.  But forget The Green Hornet, I just wish he would expand on his talent and make something as compelling as Chasing Amy.  Who knows, maybe Jersey Girl is that film.  We'll see.

Quote from: GhostboyI just got back from seeing it. Technically, I shouldn't like it. It's kinda sloppy (like all his movies, in that charming way, only with really nice photography this time), very formulaic, kinda bland. His portrayal of women, personified in Liv Tyler's character, is like a thirteen year old boy's fantasy of a mature woman -- very smart, sweet, caring, and also ready to have sympathy sex at the drop of a hat. This is definitely a guy's movie. But that's also why it kinda works, and why it's sweetness won me over. This is like Smith's love letter to his daughter -- you know that Ben Affleck and Raquel Castro are surrogate for Kevin and  his little girl, and that recognition makes the film far more poignant. There's some really good material between them (the last shot especially). Smith's edginess pops up every now and then, especially in the school play at the end, which is just ridiculous but also incredibly delightful. I won't spoil what happens. There are also a few cameos that I won't ruin.I think the movie's been chopped to hell -- test screenings reported a two hour plus running time, but the print I saw was about ninety minutes. There's an opening bookend that you can tell was added just to expedite J Lo's exit from the film. Normally I'd call foul on Harvey's part (speaking of Harvey, wait till you see the hilariously blatant Miramax product placement in the video store Liv Tyler works at, which has more copies of Mimic and Copland than I've ever seen before), but I'm willing to believe that the movie might have dragged if it lasted another forty minutes. Overall, a mild recommendation. If you liked Family Man, you'll like this. Hmmm, I just compared Kevin Smith to Brett Ratner.

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yeah, what he said.  i saw this tonite and its really hard to describe how i felt about it.  actually i was really REALLY with it, just losing myself in the 'wow, i'm really glad that kevin smith is going to be able to make movies, like REAL ones now' until the first time ben affleck has to go talk to his child and starts to cry.  a few people in the theatre started to laugh and the moment dragged on for just a little too long with some of the dialogue just hitting it a little bit too much on the head.  from that point on the movie sort of fumbled around to find a story and ended up being a pretty okay movie.  

some of the music choices were way too TOP 40 for my tastes (fleetwood mac's 'landslide', al greens 'lets stay together (FROM PULP FICTION!) and 'let my love open the door'.)  the most hilarious and COMPLETELY IRONIC, (smith must realize the irony in this) is his use of Aimee Mann during JLO's funeral.  THAT i couldnt believe.  

the liv tyler character like ghostboy mentioned is such a guys fantasy that it almost pulled me completely out of what had been a somewhat realistic human story.  but this was THE BEN AFFLECK SHOW, none of the other characters really had enough going on that there was any sort of arc worth noticing besides affleck.  also strange how there were a lot of 'aww, cute' type kids moments that you would think that might be part of who should see the movie but then enough talk of masturbation, porno, etc. that you cant.  so who was this movie for? (not that this is smiths problem, actually its kind of nice to have someone make a movie because he wants to see it and not for some kind of 'target market', because its their job to figure out how to sell it)  

i think what smith basically tried to do was make a 'guys chick flick'.  or something like that.  make a movie his wife would like to see that he wouldnt mind seeing either, and he assumed there were others out there like him who would also want to see such a thing.  i guess we'll see.

I honestly was hoping this would be a "love to hate it" kind of thing, but every new comment I hear about it, positive or negative, makes it sound exponentially more obnoxious.

As a lot of you web regulars know, Aint It Cool News is one of the most widely read sites on the net, and probably the most widely read film rumor site out there. So, it's always great when the commander-in-chief over there gives us a thumbs-up on one of our flicks, and this one is no exception. Here's Harry's review of Jersey Girl:

Harry says JERSEY GIRL is Kevin Smith at his best!
Undoubtedly JERSEY GIRL will have its detractors... Kevin Smith has apparently sold out. His latest film looks fantastic, beautifully lit and photographed by Vilmos Zsigmond giving majesty to a view regularly askewed by clunky camera movement and flat lighting. The film also is lacking in tops to tails Star Wars references and Dick-n-Fart jokes. Also missing is great gobs of cynicism which seems to fester on the internet like the acne of those that seek a new type of porn in their seemingly endless hours clicking and whacking away. No... This Kevin Smith film is emotional, sweet and filled with love for families.

The lead character played by Ben Affleck doesn't have buddies to pal around with. He's not wearing comic character shirts and I don't believe he ever once reads a comic in the movie. He isn't a geek, he doesn't want to be a geek and in actuality he's a professional. One of those people that has a job, albeit it is a job doing publicity for celebrities, but even that isn't for long. Soon he's just a blue collar kind of guy doing street work, driving a street cleaner and climbing in and out of manholes in streets in the suburbs. He doesn't hang in a bar picking up chicks, or drink brews with his friends while spilling his soul about his intact virginity. This guy is so "normal" he even has a kid and a wife that's... well not around anymore.

He's raising a kid as a single father, living with his crotchety old pops somewhere in New Jersey. His dad is George Carlin and his little girl is adorable. This is a film made about sons and fathers about what it is to become a dad. This is a film about letting go of lofty ambitions and being there for your kids. It is a movie about GROWING UP, something that too many of Kevin's snootchie bootchie followers will freak out like they were chained to a seat at an Oakridge Boys concert. For most geeks out there, there is that point in life where that dream to be a filmmaker... has to go away. Where that comic book goes undrawn, and a diaper cries to be changed. When suddenly that racket with the electric guitar ceases to feel cool and bills need to be paid. This isn't a reality for all, but unfortunately... it is the reality for most. After all, there's only so many astronauts, presidents and porn stars... and most of us don't have the dicks for all three.

This doesn't mean you become a loser, Ben Affleck doesn't become a loser, he becomes a father, like his father before him... and with that comes it's own rewards. Looking into that daughter's eyes and seeing him as she does... Creating a world of dreams for her to grow in. Being there for his father as he faces that decaying future of old age alone. It is also about recognizing the time to move on past romances and loves lost and finding that person to spend your life with, the one that you find yourself living, not the one you imagined.

JERSEY GIRL is incredibly alive and filled with wonderful moments. The fight between Affleck and his daughter is brutal, the interview between Liv and Ben is magically frank, and that musical number... hilarious. I found Kevin's wit stamped on every scene, the dialogue pops and Ben is never better than when Kevin is filling his mouth. Um... With words.

I'm not sure how many of you will take to this film, many of my friends hated it. But then, I do live with a father who often talks about growing old and getting sick... All around the time I saw JERSEY GIRL and the time that I find myself writing this review, I have found myself dealing with the reality of moving my grandmother to Austin so that my family here can care for her. And every single day I see my 3 1/2 year old nephew's eyes light up big and ask questions about zombies and the alphabet. My twenty-something friends are becoming 30... some are buying homes like me, others are moving away. Some have given up their dreams, while I find myself living them everyday waiting for them disappear as most do each morning as your eyes first part.

I find the film to be a mature geek film about falling in love with a video store clerk that married Aragorn, while becoming infamous for talking shit about Will Smith. I love the movie, for me, it is right there with CHASING AMY as one of my faves from the brain of Kevin Smith. It isn't the juvenile delight of JAY & SILENT BOB STRIKE BACK, but then... well, this one is about growing up as a man, a father and a son.

And by the way... Liv Tyler is so yummy in this movie. I mean absolutely adorably wonderful. I don't believe I've ever loved her more in a film. She is such the dream of a video store clerk girl. And George Carlin is absolutely fantastic in this. Just absolutely great.

Remember, this isn't supposed to be part of the Jersey series that Kevin has been filming since CLERKS. That's why Jay & Silent Bob are not in this film. Instead this is his first film outside of that universe... it just so happens that a big chunk of it takes place in... Jersey. Give it a chance, go with an open mind and realize this is about growing up, this isn't an adolescent fantasy... except for the whole getting to have sex with J. Lo and Liv Tyler part... that's kinda like... a fantasy I had once... every night for like a year... or two... or three... Butt that's beside the point. This is a truly wonderful film. I hope Kevin keeps Vilmos for GREEN HORNET... I'd love to see Vilmos getting to shoot cool films with cool directors again.

Harry Knowles is not a movie critic. He's a human message board.

yeah but i enjoy his reviews nonetheless. he's got so much energy, you can't help but get excited a little.

I just got back from this flick a lil while ago and I have to say, those really lame trailers had me worried I was going to be walking into the cheese fest special, but alas, I was pleasantly surprised. Performances all around were good, especially George Carlin who stole every scene, and the little girl was cute and held her own quite well.

Working for this first time in PG land, I was surpised at how funny the film was. Lots of good laughs, and some real funny cameos which I won't spoil. Dialogue was also quite good in that Kevin Smith style, specifically in the scenes with Ben and Liv which have a great rhythm to them and are quite memorable. It was cool the way they reversed roles, where Liv essentailly became the Kevin Smith 'male" character, and where Affleck was more the prototypical, emotional female-type character.

The use of music though was thoroughly nauseating. Every moment there was some scene of emotional catharsis or a life-affirming turning point, some song came on to accompany a really tacky montage of "characters in pain." It was like, we know,  very very sad, "he lost his wife, he's raising a kid by himself, she'll never know her mom", and every other slice of life moment that makes you wonder whether you should laugh or cry. This is the same guy, Kevin Smith, who said how lame and self-indulgent, etc., that Magnolia "Wise Up" Sequence was.  Yikes.

The direction in some spots was also quite weak and student-filmish, i.e., when Ben is told J-Lo died having his kid (what a JLo look-a-like they found w/ that girl though), every musical/emotional montage, and the closing of the film where you know exactly where things were going way early on.

Guess I'm ripping it more than I mean to, but having said all that though, the film had a lot of genuine heart,  laughs, and is a welcome break from that tired and stupid Jay and Silent Bob routine which has grown very old. I think it's a nice mature film for Smith that he can definitely build on. As mentioned before, it's a romantic comedy for guys and had enough good moments to justify a watching (especially if you're a Smith fan) and to override the occasional bout of cheese-infested sentimentality and the  formulaic plot devices that tend to creep into the film.

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I thought it was PG-13?

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I thought it was PG-13?

Here in Canada, we don't have all those silly numbers after movie ratings like you wacky, Yankee Doodle Dandees, except for 14A and 18A. We
G, PG, 14A, 18A, and R, if I'm not mistaken.

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Quote from: billybrownWorking for this first time in PG land

I thought it was PG-13?

It's still a suburb of PG.

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I thought it was PG-13?

It's still a suburb of PG.

Exactly, same shit, different pile Ono.

man rottentomatoes is tearing this film a new asshole


so tomorrows the big day and im still really looking forward to this movie regardless of the critics and i really hope that America can give this movie a chance and i will be really dissapointed if it bombs

ohhh well i guess we will all see

heres a few words from kevin about the movie

1) The film's not gonna be a critical hit. It's an extremely sentimental film, and most critics don't like sentiment. Don't expect big, critical kudos this time around (in fact, we may be less well-reviewed than we were on "Strike Back"). The NY Times is gonna shred the flick. LA Times too, I'll bet. EW probably ain't gonna be onboard.

2) These are the movies that are DEFINITELY going to make more than us at the box office this weekend: Dawn of the Dead, The Passion of the Christ, Scooby Doo 2, The Ladykillers, Starsky and Hutch. These are the movies that are PROBABLY gonna make more than us at the box office this weekend: Taking Lives, Secret Window, Hidalgo, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Acccept it.

3) A killer opening number would be nice, but isn't necessary. We're only opening on 1600 screens this weekend, then going 2000 the weekend after. What we're looking for is longevity: audience word-of-mouth and solid numbers for a few weeks in a row. We've gotten shit-loads of press hits in advance of Friday, and the TV spots are all over the place. And while we won't have many of the critics on our side, if the movie plays as well with audiences as it has been playing in test, marketing, and awareness screenings over the course of the last year, we should glide along nicely on strong word-of-mouth. There's nothing else like it at the box office for the next few weeks, so that's good too.

Sounds like Smith is psyching himself up for the worst.

I kind of feel like Smith is trying to pull a last minute "Don't listen to the press! Like my movie!" kind of thing, plus the previews do say "critics love Jersey Girl" or something. I kind of thought that Smith was hoping that the critics would really like this movie, but they didn't, so he's just falling back onto "This movie wasn't made for critics" thing. But I still like Smith, I like Clerks, love Chasing Amy, and J&SB Strike Back had some good laughs. I kind of excited to see this one.

When previews say 'critics love so-and-so movie,' they're always referring to the junket junkies at some tiny news imprint/tv station who compete with each other in creating the type of positive quotes that line the advertisements of subpar movies; Leonard Maltin and Larry King are the kings of this type of criticism.

Ebert gave a good review and is the focus of the most recent tv spots

Quote from: Kevin SmithThe NY Times is gonna shred the flick. LA Times too, I'll bet.

Los Angeles Times review:
'Jersey Girl' has a bland personality
Kevin Smith's ode to fatherhood mixes Shirley Temple and Lenny Bruce.

Imagine a Shirley Temple movie written and directed by Lenny Bruce — "Little Miss Marker" or "Wee Willie Winkie" — with key plot points involving pornography and masturbation, and you'll get an idea of what writer-director Kevin Smith has come up with in "Jersey Girl."

Smith would probably be the first to say he's hardly a Lenny Bruce, but with films like "Clerks," "Chasing Amy" and "Dogma," not to mention the more forgettable "Mallrats" and "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back," he has made a career out of being iconoclastic, borderline blasphemous and in your face.

But even bad boys grow up and Smith, now a husband and father who recently lost his own father, has decided it is time for something completely different. Sort of. So he's brought his smartly profane sensibility to the most standard sentimental material imaginable, the kind of film that costars a Temple-esque tot and features not one but two romantic carriage rides through Central Park.

It's a sincere albeit doomed attempt to balance irreconcilables that leads to been-there situations like a husband comforting a pregnant wife who feels she's too fat to attend a glamorous party by assuring her that those svelte rivals are "skinny because they're coked-out whores." The lines can be sharp and some moments amuse, but the story line is so moribund that nothing can bring it back to a rich and full life.

Smith's mix-and-match technique is visible from his opening sequence, which features a parade of cute grade-school kids making risqué remarks about their parents' personal lives. Then little Gertie Trinke (Raquel Castro) takes the stage and narrates an extended flashback that returns us to the days when her parents were dating.

Ollie Trinke (Ben Affleck) is a refugee from New Jersey happy to be New York's youngest and most successful music business publicist. The love of his life is children's book editor Gertrude Steiney, played by Jennifer Lopez. Given that the Affleck/Lopez affair that launched a thousand tabloid covers was in full flower when "Jersey Girl" was shooting, it's nice to report that their on-screen chemistry, brief though it is, is pleasing. It's brief because when two people are that crazy about each other in movies like this one, you know one of them has to die, and a look at the poster tells you its not going to be Ollie.

The bulk of "Jersey Girl" takes place when Gertie is 8 and living back in Jersey because her dad has experienced a reversal of fortune so extreme they're crashing with Ollie's crusty dad, Bart (an energetic George Carlin), a street sweeper who doubles as custodian of the wisdom of the ages.

"Jersey Girl's" press material reports that young Castro, here making her feature debut, was a live wire practically from birth, so it's not surprising that her smile and positive spirit make her the film's most engaging performer.

As for Affleck, he is doing the best he can in a part he's called "the role of a lifetime." But he is such a transparent actor despite his stardom that having to experience him in tears is not a sight for the faint of heart. Fortunately for Affleck he's paired up with Liv Tyler, an actress of similarly unprepossessing style. She plays Maya, a video store clerk who busts our hero for renting pornography despite being a family man. How's that for a cute meet?

Despite that frisson of naughtiness and the occasional smile, "Jersey Girl" is overall too bland to hold our interest. The lessons about What's Really Important In Life that Jersey boy Ollie Trinke has to learn are so preordained, the film needs to have a lot more on the ball than it does to succeed.

One of the film's most engaging aspects, for those who care about these things, is its "inside baseball" qualities. Affleck's pal Matt Damon makes a cameo appearance along with Jason Lee, Will Smith has a pleasant uncredited scene, the voice of Miramax head Harvey Weinstein is heard on the phone, and the writer-director's longtime publicity firm, the Angelotti Co., gets almost as much screen time as Lopez.

"Jersey Girl's" closing credits end with a long list of personal thanks from Smith ("Raquel — Kid, you're a star") that have the pleasantly ingenuous quality of high school yearbook greetings. It would be nice to see the writer-director apply his blessedly individual sensibility to something not quite this ordinary.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/ebert1/wkp-news-jersey26f.html



3 and 1/2 stars! wow

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3 and 1/2 stars! wow

Keep in mind, Ebert is a fat slob who's prolly spending more time at the theatre focused on his xtra large, xtra buttered popcorn than the actual movie itself...

although at times I respect eberts reviews, there are certain directors of which he will always review well.  Kevin Smith is definetly one of those directors.  Ebert high-lights Smith's keen use of stupid movie cliche's,   c'mon thats a stretch...

so, banky & shaftr, whats the verdict?

Quote from: themodernage02so, banky & shaftr, whats the verdict?

The film definitely has it's moments.  Anytime something like this is made it's a careful balance between heart and sentimentality.  I would say that most of the time, the heart wins out.  There are a few scenes though (Ollie's talk with the baby) where it gets sentimental.  It's interesting to see the two father/child dynamics.  The supporting cast is good, and I think Affleck handles his role well.  I think the film looked good visually, nothing spectacular but it looks good.  There is one stylistic touch at the very end that I think works.

This is a new step for Smith, and although flawed it's still a step. Overall, I liked it and I would see it again.  Strangely, the film has grown on me more since seeing it.  I went into it very critical (after everything I heard) so I have this conflict of fanboy vs film critic inside of me.

I would say go see it, it's definitely worth the money.

i saw it last tuesday, my review is on the previous page.  glad you liked it somewhat?

Saw this yesterday. It was OK, kinda mushy, but cute.

I find it funny that Banky has yet to post about it.

I really liked it. It's full of cliches and it's predictable, but I was okay with that. Kevin Smith does a really nice job with the relationships and the dialouge.

Does anybody have a soundtrack listing of the movie?

i wasnt gonna post a review but moderange convinced me otherwise so here is my review in the form of a pm i sent to modernage

"I saw it for the first time on Friday at 1. I wanted to go early in the afternoon because i didnt want some fucking middle school kids on thier cell phones ruining the experience of me seeing it for the first time. Going into i had a lot of expectation and so much fucking thought. I mean ive been reading about and discussing this movie ever since pre-production a long ass time ago. After seeing it i enjoyed it but i didnt really experience it. I dont know it was kinda surreal. It was like all my thoughts beforehand bogged down my thought process while watching it. When i left the theatre i just really wanted to see it again because i needed another viewing to try and allow my self to just watch it as a movie and not as this huge deal that i had been waiting for, discussing, defending, ect., ect.
So i went to a 945 tonight and i really dug it. I allowed myself to just watch it as if it were anyother thing that comes and goes in the theatre. Everything stood out to me more and i really heard Smith's voice in the movie. I laughed a lot and was really touched to. I mean the part where Ollie yells that statment at his daughter was fucking powerful. You could here a pen drop as the air got sucked out of the theatre i was in. I also was really touched by what Carlin had to say at the end. I still had some problems with it like anyother movie and it was not perfect. The only person capable of creating a perfect movie is Crowe but that is besides the point. So yeah i really enjoyed it and thought that as far as directing it was definantly Kevins best and the movie did have some great looking shots courtesy of the D.P. I really dont think ill post my opinion in the Jersey Girl thread because i really am over trying to defend Kevin or the movie and the last thing i want to do is get bashed anymore for my opinions (not just on XIXAX but in general.) I dont know where this will fall in my rankings of his movies. I think my experience with the DVD will tell that becuase i have grown to love all of his work throught the medium of DVD. So i have no problem sharing my views with you and maybe i will eventually say something in the Jersey Girl thread but for now i would rather just listen.


Banky"

also some words from Kevin about the opening box office

Miramax was estimating seven million on Friday, so that's a big plus. Nine would've been incredible, but 8.3 is just great.
"Scooby" is just a juggernaut, and we were never gonna beat Hanks (who hasn't NOT opened a flick since the "Joe Vs. The Volcano" era). "The Christ" still reigns, and hiz undead pals from "Dawn of the Dead" still had legs (even after a sixty percent drop). Settling in at a cozy number five with the third best per screen in the top ten is just dandy - considering the uphill battle we've had on this flick.

We were certainly up against it with the whole Bennifer thing (ironically, we've out-grossed the entire theatrical run of "Gigli" in our first weekend), so 8.3 on 1500 screens is actually something of a minor miracle.

Hopefully, we get the bump-up of screens next weekend, and our word-of-mouth is strong enough to keep us alive in week two, when the Rock walks "Tall" and "Hellboy" punches cars.

All's well. No complaints here.

But next weekend will REALLY tell the tale.

Thanks again, all for heading out there this weekend. Thanks for your continued support.

Off to breakfast with Mosier now, to celebrate.

banky ........glad to see  you weren't let down......

::glances at the coen faithfull::

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3 and 1/2 stars! wow

Keep in mind, Ebert is a fat slob who's prolly spending more time at the theatre focused on his xtra large, xtra buttered popcorn than the actual movie itself...

come on man, what the fuck?

the only smith movie i've ever seen in the theaters is jay and silent bob. i own all of his movies, i just don't think they're the kinds you have to see in theaters. this movie will do MUCH MUCH better on dvd, where smith makes all of his money.

i'll see this next weekend if i have time. right now i still have to see eternal sunshine and then dawn of the dead. this is number three on my list, the passion is number four, but i doubt i'll ever get around to seeing the passion.

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Quote from: billybrownKeep in mind, Ebert is a fat slob who's prolly spending more time at the theatre focused on his xtra large, xtra buttered popcorn than the actual movie itself...

come on man, what the fuck?

eward, don't worry about it. billybrown has had a hard on for Ebert ever since he trashed Gallo's Brown Bunny. So now he talks like Gallo and thinks it's cool or something. Just leave him be and let him think people care.

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Quote from: billybrownKeep in mind, Ebert is a fat slob who's prolly spending more time at the theatre focused on his xtra large, xtra buttered popcorn than the actual movie itself...

come on man, what the fuck?

eward, don't worry about it. billybrown has had a hard on for Ebert ever since he trashed Gallo's Brown Bunny. So now he talks like Gallo and thinks it's cool or something. Just leave him be and let him think people care.

First off, Eward, the Ebert thing was a joke, so get over it. Christ. And nevermind the fact that he is one of the MOST overrated film critics of all-time. To Cinevile, you're a numb nut, not much else to really say there.

Quote from: billybrownTo Cinevile, you're a numb nut, not much else to really say there.

Cinevile and numb nut. Wow, who writes this priceless material for you? Send his or her contact my way and pronto! I need fresh stuff like this.

Before you decide to call me Cinevile(and again, wow! nice one!), do us all a favour change your avatar. When that joke had ANY potential to be funny to the odd person who cared, it was in 2003. It's old, pal. Lose it. No one likes it.

Enjoy your day, billybrown.

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Quote from: billybrownTo Cinevile, you're a numb nut, not much else to really say there.

Cinevile and numb nut. Wow, who writes this priceless material for you? Send his or her contact my way and pronto! I need fresh stuff like this.

Before you decide to call me Cinevile(and again, wow! nice one!), do us all a favour change your avatar. When that joke had ANY potential to be funny to the odd person who cared, it was in 2003. It's old, pal. Lose it. No one likes it.

Enjoy your day, billybrown.

The Gospel according to Numb Nut has been spoken... all hail Cinevile and his "brilliant" avatar. You are soo cutting edge it's scary. I'm in Ontario too, hopefully your in TO so I can bitch slap some sense into you. It's weird, cuz by and large there is a great community of film enthusiasts here, but you're such an epic twat, it blows the mind. At first it was mere speculation you were a dildo, now it's confirmed. You're dismissed. Now run along to whatever it is you do. My guess, "Sir, would you like to upsize your combo?"

Stop this now.

Kevin Smith's best days are behind him. He's becoming a more commercial filmmaker and letting the best part of his writing take a back seat. His ID in writing was matching his brand of humor to reveal the characters. With Chasing Amy, he showed the limitations of men who displayed their personality with crude humor. He didn't circle the drama, but delved into the world of these men and allowed for their crude humor to encompass the story, making it an organically whole film. With Jersey Girl, his first serious film since Chasing Amy, his humor and wit stays on the sidelines. It just pushes along a conventional story to keep a few laughs going so general audience will easily react at least some of the film if they don't love it all. Some of the one liners are really good, but it doesn't result in much of a film.

i kind of agree with your review but dont you think its possible kevin smiths best days could still be IN FRONT of him?  like, he hasnt quite figured out how to balance his humor with a real story for a really great movie yet, but dont you think he might figure it out?  he seems to be taking steps towards it, who knows he might get there, huh?

there you go modernage

Quote from: themodernage02i kind of agree with your review but dont you think its possible kevin smiths best days could still be IN FRONT of him?  like, he hasnt quite figured out how to balance his humor with a real story for a really great movie yet, but dont you think he might figure it out?  he seems to be taking steps towards it, who knows he might get there, huh?

Hah, he might. But, he's doing The Green Hornet next so it'll have to wait. Oh, and I hear he's doing a Fletch movie after that, so again, wait. I then heard he wants to do yet another Jay and Silent Bob film so again, wait. His career hardly seems a progress to me. Mainly, he writes comedies that at best have a unique flair to them and and his fluke, Chasing Amy, was a great film.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetKevin Smith's best days are behind him. He's becoming a more commercial filmmaker and letting the best part of his writing take a back seat. His ID in writing was matching his brand of humor to reveal the characters. With Chasing Amy, he showed the limitations of men who displayed their personality with crude humor. He didn't circle the drama, but delved into the world of these men and allowed for their crude humor to encompass the story, making it an organically whole film. With Jersey Girl, his first serious film since Chasing Amy, his humor and wit stays on the sidelines. It just pushes along a conventional story to keep a few laughs going so general audience will easily react at least some of the film if they don't love it all. Some of the one liners are really good, but it doesn't result in much of a film.

would you agree that Dogma is a serious film?
would you also agree that the only indie (non commercial) film he ever did was Clerks?

Chasing Amy was indie. It had miramax prints on it I think, but it was still indie as far as im concerned.

I dont think Amy was a independent.  Mirimax directly funded that movie from the very begining.

Quote from: BankyI dont think Amy was a independent.  Mirimax directly funded that movie from the very begining.

Yeah, but with a $250,000 budget, we have to call it indie, I think... Personally, I don't think that even the Miramax logo can put the "indieness" of the film in question  8)

Alright, first off I really enjoyed this movie. More than I actually thought I would. I'm a Smith fan, sure, but this was so distanced from his typical MO that I thought it would play as a movie with a spoonful of Smith in it.

I think I have nailed down what others have said about liking this movie but not really knowing why--it's the film's sincerity. This movie wasn't Smith Lite, it was a complete reworking of his style because, forgive me, he finally had something personal to say. So it wasn't baseless dialogue and pop culture filler, it was a story--not driven by plot, but evoking the character's emotions and feelings.

99% of the time you could take this same plot and the movie would be complete shite. And I guess, if you have a torch to burn and really don't give the characters a chance to emote to you, the movie might fall into that same percentile. But the movie really worked for me because the characters worked for me. Biggest surprise, beside the newcomer tike, was Tyler's performance. I've always found her too mousy and whiny to be effective but she really bucked up and controlled her performance. Affleck was... likeable (which is getting harder and harder to realize) and for what she was in, Lopez was pretty believable (and I certainly and not one of her fans).

Basically the secret to seeing this movie is to completely throw out that you're going to see a movie by the guy who brought you Clerks and Chasing Amy. Instead, realize you're going to see a movie from the guy who got married, had a child and lost his father. You're seeing a one-piece that's reflective of his new view of life--where dick jokes and homosexual connotations take a back seat to sentimentality with a family focus.

I don't see how people can't get into the characters on the screen, but maybe it's the situations I'm going through in my life that make me more susceptible to the film's focus. There were one to many montages for sure (montages in a Smith movie--now I've seen it all), but like Ghost Boy, what would normally be a very cheesy ending had me smiling throughout.

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Quote from: The Gold TrumpetKevin Smith's best days are behind him. He's becoming a more commercial filmmaker and letting the best part of his writing take a back seat. His ID in writing was matching his brand of humor to reveal the characters. With Chasing Amy, he showed the limitations of men who displayed their personality with crude humor. He didn't circle the drama, but delved into the world of these men and allowed for their crude humor to encompass the story, making it an organically whole film. With Jersey Girl, his first serious film since Chasing Amy, his humor and wit stays on the sidelines. It just pushes along a conventional story to keep a few laughs going so general audience will easily react at least some of the film if they don't love it all. Some of the one liners are really good, but it doesn't result in much of a film.

would you agree that Dogma is a serious film?
would you also agree that the only indie (non commercial) film he ever did was Clerks?

I wouldn't agree Dogma is a serious film. I think it plays off a serious subject, but still very much comedy. I think Clerks is Kevin Smith's only indie film if you looked at production means and costs only. I'd say Chasing Amy had an indie spirit made to it unlike Jersey Girl.

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Quote from: themodernage02i kind of agree with your review but dont you think its possible kevin smiths best days could still be IN FRONT of him?  like, he hasnt quite figured out how to balance his humor with a real story for a really great movie yet, but dont you think he might figure it out?  he seems to be taking steps towards it, who knows he might get there, huh?

Hah, he might. But, he's doing The Green Hornet next so it'll have to wait. Oh, and I hear he's doing a Fletch movie after that, so again, wait. I then heard he wants to do yet another Jay and Silent Bob film so again, wait.

Isn't he adapting a children's book after TGH? Maybe Banky can confirm this.

The only other project I've heard about not mentioned here is "Ranger Danger and the Danger Rangers." There's not much known about it other than  it's sci-fi and the title. What childrens title have you heard about Fernando?

all i have heard is that first off is GH then immediatley after that Fletch Won and those two are set in stone.  Other than that he has mentioned doing another jay and bob flick and doing his take on sci fi wich is Ranger Dangers and the Danger Rangers.  Funny though because there has been a lot of talk doing Jay and Bob in space so maybe the two ideas will be mushed together.

I could swear read it somewhere (Children's book adaption), but just can't find it, IIRC he said his wife loves that book and she was convincing him to do it, I think he didn't mentioned the name of the book.

I thought it was Joblo's recent int. but he didn't mentioned it, nor the Q&A of his site, I'll try to find it.

Hell, maybe I'm mixing someone else's news with KS.

I just saw this movie tonight and I really liked it... its obviously not a very original story but it had its original touches that made it great... the fact that JLO dies so fast is also a plus...

- Ben Affleck is up again in my charts
- Liv Tyler is so beautiful
- the little girl rocks
- Carlin is always good
- Jason Biggs had a small part but I like him

MINI SPOILER

- The Will Smith thing, including the end, excellent!

im glad you liked it andy

This was funny for about 2 fucking seconds.  I get it.  April Fools.

It's bad enough that almost every website has to have their fake stories/infor that are 'clever' and yadda yadda yadda, but this takes the cake in the lame department.

I forgot about that April Fools thing... it got me and I was just about to be scared with the site...

*rubs eyes in disbelief* jersey girl? ive been banned! :shock:

Don't be such a party pooper, Weak. After being confused/wierded out It's actually rather humorous. I just hope this doesn't last all day.

Well, I can't edit my last post so I'm just posting here: I'm leaving town today to go to a competition in Orlando, and will likely have no internet. I'll be returning Saturday afternoon, though, but until then--

Whose the k smith fan that only leaves this thread open? bias.

Oh no, a backlash of the whole Kevin Smith vs Paul Thomas Anderson incident !

Oh lord, why, why my lord ?

what the hell? this is the ony thread I can read in the whole of xixax, what's going on?

Woow! I was shocked at first, but I gues it's just an April Fool's trick.

haha, fooled me.

Banky is this the best day of your life?

This is a sick joke!

Somehow I saw this one coming. I figured it'd be a KS or Ratner thread.

Why is this happening and why does it suck?

I'm scared...

So can we expect the joke to last all day?

Cos I'm at work, and I'm dyin' here...

Change your name and join into the fun, why don't ya?

jersey girl has now been ruined for me.

shame on you! shame on you!

I got admit I got served real good...I even pm Mac in mad panic.  :-D

So is Jersey Girl a good movie?

Quote from: Suspended MealSo is Jersey Girl a good movie?

The answer seems to be no. NOBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT.

I heard the directing is great though.

i feel like i am in some twisted xixax nightmare!   :twisted:

It is in these rough times that all of you must join the chat!

i'll stay gold for you

for you

The very reason "lol" was coined.

classic

It would've been funny if it was like Michael Bay or somebody. But Kevin Smith has a film in release and this seems kinda shameless.

Quote from: andykBanky is this the best day of your life?

hahaha


no becaue its totally ripping on him

well i guess im the only one taking this seriously so i will keep the KS news flowing on this glorious thread



Kato is cast! Apr. 1, 2004

Source: View Askew  by: Mike Sampson


Director Kevin Smith wasted no time getting right into the thick of planning THE GREEN HORNET after his last film, JERSEY GIRL, just opened in theaters last Friday. Smith is about 3/4 of the way through the script, has been in talks with Jake Gyllenhaal to star and now has cast the first lead in the film! Kevin popped up on the View Askew message boards to drop the news on who he cast as sidekick Kato before it was made official tomorrow in Variety. Alright enough with the suspense....William Hung is Kato! That's right the lovable "American Idol" contestant will make his feature film debut in GREEN HORNET. The UC Berkeley engineering student became a national phenomenon when he auditioned for "Idol" singing Ricky Martin's "She Bangs." Of casting Hung, who has never acted before, as one of the leads in a big-budget superhero flick, Kevin said, "I can hear some of you Kev-Haters now: 'I told you! Fatty's a sell-out!' Keep your two cents in your wallet until you're on this side of the table, bellyachers. This is not an evil, soul-selling, integrity-lacking proposition I've entered into with this flick; it's just the cost of doing business on this scale." Of Hung himself and how he came about for the part of Kato, Smith explained, "He's a really funny and well-versed guy who I instantly loved. There's no bullshit about him - no pretentious air that makes actors and actresses insufferable. Besides, I fucking loved his version of 'She Bangs!'" Filming is expected to begin later this summer on GREEN HORNER with Miramax planning a summer 2005 release. To read all of Kevin's post, including how Gyllenhaal's negotiations are going and a final admission that he really hates Jennifer Lopez's guts, click here to read Kevin's post on the View Askew boards

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Quote from: mutinycoIt would've been funny if it was like Michael Bay or somebody. But Kevin Smith has a film in release and this seems kinda shameless.

Sweet mother!  This guy is even giving shitty pretentious reviews of an April Fools joke!

Quote from: Bankywell i guess im the only one taking this seriously so i will keep the KS news flowing on this glorious thread



Kato is cast! Apr. 1, 2004

Source: View Askew  by: Mike Sampson


Director Kevin Smith wasted no time getting right into the thick of planning THE GREEN HORNET after his last film, JERSEY GIRL, just opened in theaters last Friday. Smith is about 3/4 of the way through the script, has been in talks with Jake Gyllenhaal to star and now has cast the first lead in the film! Kevin popped up on the View Askew message boards to drop the news on who he cast as sidekick Kato before it was made official tomorrow in Variety. Alright enough with the suspense....William Hung is Kato! That's right the lovable "American Idol" contestant will make his feature film debut in GREEN HORNET. The UC Berkeley engineering student became a national phenomenon when he auditioned for "Idol" singing Ricky Martin's "She Bangs." Of casting Hung, who has never acted before, as one of the leads in a big-budget superhero flick, Kevin said, "I can hear some of you Kev-Haters now: 'I told you! Fatty's a sell-out!' Keep your two cents in your wallet until you're on this side of the table, bellyachers. This is not an evil, soul-selling, integrity-lacking proposition I've entered into with this flick; it's just the cost of doing business on this scale." Of Hung himself and how he came about for the part of Kato, Smith explained, "He's a really funny and well-versed guy who I instantly loved. There's no bullshit about him - no pretentious air that makes actors and actresses insufferable. Besides, I fucking loved his version of 'She Bangs!'" Filming is expected to begin later this summer on GREEN HORNER with Miramax planning a summer 2005 release. To read all of Kevin's post, including how Gyllenhaal's negotiations are going and a final admission that he really hates Jennifer Lopez's guts, click here to read Kevin's post on the View Askew boards

i can't believe this fucking bullshit. i can't believe i used to like smith. this is the final blow. william fucking hung and jake gyllenhall. what a douchebag...

I'm sure that's some kind of April fool's joke

I won't believe it until I see it. It's probably an April Fools joke.

Well, this (http://www.williamhung.net/clips.cfm) is no joke.....

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How is Jersey Girl? Is it a good movie? I think I want to see Jersey Girl.

what happened?

This is what happened, my white skinned friend.

You forgot your monongahela!

Quote from: A Matter Of Chancewhat happened?

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*sigh* we can't edit posts..

But that joke isn't funny anymore....

I hate april fool's day



Though this morning I told some chick "Hey ... you look ugly today ... ... april fool's day !" and she found really sweeeeeeeeeeeeet  :love:

Many moons ago, my brother, Standing Tree, was putting up a trading post for the white man.  

One day one of these white man came and asked if he could trade some Sweet Tarts.  

My brother, Standing Tree, told him to go to Algonquin!

Oh Jersey Girl thread, how I loathe you...

White man, I see you like French moving pictures.

My tribe leader told me that in the Days of the Great Wind never to trust a French white man.  

Not only do they make napew with their mouths, but they mahihkan to wiixCHEew!  Haw haw!

Quote from: Billy SmithWhite man, I see you like French moving pictures.

My tribe leader told me that in the Days of the Great Wind never to trust a French white man.  

Not only do they make napew with their mouths, but they mahihkan to wiixCHEew!  Haw haw!

"voooom! like the hawk over his head!"

I hope you stay Billy Smith.

Heh.  Before with the William Hung thing... it said "[William] Hung himself."

That made me smile.

Considering my thread in the PTA forum, I probably have no right saying this isn't funny.  But, this isn't funny.  Surprised, I expected more in an April Fools' Day joke from people here.

Quote from: OnomatopoeiaConsidering my thread in the PTA forum, I probably have no right saying this isn't funny.  But, this isn't funny.  Surprised, I expected more in an April Fools' Day joke from people here.

Don't say another word, Mr. Onomatopoeia. I should sue your ass for reporting those lies.

As for this thread, whoever did this is in deep trouble. Nobody informed me in advance that donations would be switching to Fatass Silent Bob over night. This is lawsuit material.

And Mr. SoNowThen. Change your name, you stupid putz.

Quote from: P.T.A.Nobody informed me in advance that donations would be switching to Fatass Silent Bob over night. This is lawsuit material.

Whoa, PTA is serious about his 'blow'.

Think of this as an intervention. Help us help you.

Quote from: OnomatopoeiaConsidering my thread in the PTA forum, I probably have no right saying this isn't funny.  But, this isn't funny.  Surprised, I expected more in an April Fools' Day joke from people here.

yeah, i guess we coulda just banned every member who's screenname begins w/ "ono" and ends w/ "ia." that mighta been funny.

*checks watch*  Nope, still isn't funny.  And neither are idle threats to ban people for expressing their opinions, honeytits.

Quote from: Onomatopoeia*checks watch*  Nope, still isn't funny.  

Wait. Why did you check your watch?

Maybe this is one of those things, like AIDS, that only becomes funny after a certain amount of time passes.  For AIDS, it's like twenty years.  Who knows how long it'll be before this "joke" gets a laugh.  ;)

Hey, I've got an idea then...

Bitch about it to they change it! Yeah! That's the ticket.

Oh, and the first thing I said to myself when I saw the board today was, "This is unfunny like AIDS."

Quote from: Sigur RósBut that joke isn't funny anymore....

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Quote from: Onomatopoeia*checks watch*  Nope, still isn't funny.  

Wait. Why did you check your watch?

April fools jokes are only supposed to last till mid-day

You know what IS funny?

people crying like little babies... that's funny.

getting that it's not funny is part of the joke... if you complain that it's not funny, then you don't get the joke...

I hate explaining jokes... then again, explaining the joke is sometimes part of the joke... just like that boring skit that Fred Armaset (sp?) does on Weekend Update

ok enough of this shit already... i liked this movie so delete all this shit from the thread and lets move on...

Quote from: AclockworkJayJaygetting that it's not funny is part of the joke... if you complain that it's not funny, then you don't get the joke...

No, the idea of a joke is that IT'S FUNNY.  Otherwise, you're just wasting everyone's time.  People here are generally very creative and witty.  This is not.  This is just a weak, last-ditch effort to do something cute.  It just didn't go over to well, as comedy sometimes does.  So don't bash the people who called you out on it.  It's like the comedian who gets heckled and booed off the stage when he bombs and then says, "Aw, ya'll just don't get the joke."  Audiences are smarter than that.

QuoteI hate explaining jokes... then again, explaining the joke is sometimes part of the joke... just like that boring skit that Fred Armaset (sp?) does on Weekend Update

And Armisen is actually funny.

you still don't get it... but seriously, stop whining

and I didn't say Armisen isn't funny, I said that character/bit isn't funny (maybe funny for the first half of the first time he did it).

Never thought level-headed commentary would be reduced by someone to "whining" just because they don't agree.  Too bad you can't actually debate with someone instead of calling them a whiner or saying they "don't get it."  That's just juvenile.  But whatever, I'm through here.  Wake me when it's over.

who is kevin smith, and who is his jersey girl?

Quote from: OnomatopoeiaWake me when it's over.

Why not set the alarm on your watch?

My watch doesn't have an alarm.  It's analog.  :(

We should have made the film feel Kevin Smith's rotating head

Practical jokes are not supposed to be funny for the victims.

the only victim here is kevin smith, so i think this is funny.

Quote from: Brock Landersthe only victim here is kevin smith, so i think this is funny.

THAT'S THE SPIRIT!

anyone know any magic tricks?

today's topic.. Scientists say: not getting anything ever may be bad for ur health, sperm count.

u know what i'm talkin about.

yes

this is funnier than Stern prank this morn. :lol:

Quote from: the cyclic quadrilateralanyone know any magic tricks?

Besides making the rest of the board disappear?

Quote from: JTMthis is funnier than Stern prank this morn. :lol:

that was classic, and when i turned it on, britney spears was playing, so i thought they were just making fun of her, but it kept going and then those two people were on, i was like "what the fuck?" but then he and robin came on and all was good again.

Quote from: El Duderinothat was classic, and when i turned it on, britney spears was playing, so i thought they were just making fun of her, but it kept going and then those two people were on, i was like "what the fuck?" but then he and robin came on and all was good again.

Good story.

Quote from: AclockworkJayJayYou know what IS funny?

people crying like little babies... that's funny.

seriously!

Kevin Smith and Harvey Wienstien are tight.

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i understand that this is simply a joke and is in good fun but this shit is ripping on smith kinda hard and its sad to see that some of you still hold some kind of grudge

You know what's funny ? Instead of sticking paper fishes in people's back, you stick paper penises. It's funny when people walk around with a big red penis in their back.

Quote from: Bankyi understand that this is simply a joke and is in good fun but this shit is ripping on smith kinda hard and its sad to see that some of you still hold some kind of grudge

i think it's been said a million times in the last whatever years, at least by me, that any grudge against kevin smith comes from his crappy movies and not his magnolia comments. but since we're talking about grudges, isn't HE the one who after 5 years keeps bringing it up all the time?? seriously, he needs to get over magnolia. PTA has never mentioned his dumb shit.

it's like a really wack one-sided hip hop beef. and that's how it's always been.

Yo,

Wassup?

Just checking in.

I did enjoy most of "Chasing Amy," for what it's worth....

Word.

Babies

i might buy easy rider on dvd tomorrow.....

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You're the one who sends really strange and pointless PM's. Sei pazzo di cappa per casa?

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Quote from: Bankyi understand that this is simply a joke and is in good fun but this shit is ripping on smith kinda hard and its sad to see that some of you still hold some kind of grudge

i think it's been said a million times in the last whatever years, at least by me, that any grudge against kevin smith comes from his crappy movies and not his magnolia comments. but since we're talking about grudges, isn't HE the one who after 5 years keeps bringing it up all the time?? seriously, he needs to get over magnolia. PTA has never mentioned his dumb shit.

it's like a really wack one-sided hip hop beef. and that's how it's always been.

yeah, what P said. and Banky, we don't hold grudges, we just hate.

Quote from: N the E digital O rape Ni might buy easy rider on dvd tomorrow.....

That's a great porno.

On the Jersey Girl DVD release: "I've heard August 25th, but don't quote me on that. Could be Sept/Oct too.
Being that Miramax is rushing it, we didn't have time to re-assemble the longer cut and clear the music rights for the cut material. So there will be two "Jersey Girl" releases. The first release is the theatrical cut, with extras that include one or two commentary tracks (we're not sure yet), some behind-the-scenes shorts (which you probably saw on Starz or Bravo), and five "Roadside Attractions" (yeah, I know - what does "Roadside Attractions" have to do with "Jersey Girl"? I don't know; ask Harvey).

The next release (probably a year or so down the road) will be the first cut of the movie, with more Ollie/Gertrude background and whatnot, as well as all the music that we cut out or replaced. Don't know what kind of extras will be on it just yet, but we'll try to pack it, as per usual. "

You read Kevin's update about the disc, now take a look at some of the proposed covers floating around! The studio's in the process of deciding on one, and chances are the movie-only edition will look like one of these. With the special edition DVD a year or so off, we're sure they'll come up with something new for the cover.

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Those are some pathetic posters. I like how Kevin Smith and Jason Biggs playfully pop into the corners. And do they try to make them look whiter?

The last one is okay, though.

I just like how all trace of JLo has been eliminated, ahahhahaa! Now if they could only get rid of Ben Affleck.... oh wait..... he's doing a pretty good job of that himself, with his role choices.... now for Kevin Smith.... please let that fattie have a heart attack and die....hahaha

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didn't he like, opposed to having his name in the posters?  I remember something happened circa the Gigli release were he said something about not planning to promote Jersey Girl as  "The 4th Film by Quentin Tarantino." Because that wouldn't have made sense.

the first one is kinda creepy.....i bet those arent jason biggs' hands

The 4th one is blatant sexual harrasment.

Attack of the humongous heads.  AAAAAHH!!

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ohhh man, a "I hope he dies" joke, wow you are really clever.  I mean nothing is cooler than wishing someone dies.

shit, man... those are the worst posters I have ever seen...

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ohhh man, a "I hope he dies" joke, wow you are really clever.  I mean nothing is cooler than wishing someone dies.

not trying to be clever or cool, just blunt. i think he's a freaking hack that has coasted long enough on the novelty of Clerks. Nothing is worse than filmmakers who haven't progressed in 10 years, but seem to think of themselves as a relevent voice in cinema. the guy's a joke, c'mon. jersey girl? gimmie a break.

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ohhh man, a "I hope he dies" joke, wow you are really clever.  I mean nothing is cooler than wishing someone dies.

not trying to be clever, just blunt

and cold, mean, unthoughtful, etc.

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ohhh man, a "I hope he dies" joke, wow you are really clever.  I mean nothing is cooler than wishing someone dies.

not trying to be clever, just blunt

and cold, mean, unthoughtful, etc.

yeah that too. if he's personally offended he can go cry himself to sleep on his pillow woven out of $100 bills.

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ohhh man, a "I hope he dies" joke, wow you are really clever.  I mean nothing is cooler than wishing someone dies.

not trying to be clever, just blunt

and cold, mean, unthoughtful, etc.

yeah that too. if he's personally offended he can go cry himself to sleep on his pillow woven out of $100 bills.

I don't care how much money he is worth.  I don't care that all his films turn a profit.  I just find you sad.

I heard he cries at weddings.

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yep.

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ohhh man, a "I hope he dies" joke, wow you are really clever.  I mean nothing is cooler than wishing someone dies.

not trying to be clever, just blunt

and cold, mean, unthoughtful, etc.

yeah that too. if he's personally offended he can go cry himself to sleep on his pillow woven out of $100 bills.

I don't care how much money he is worth.  I don't care that all his films turn a profit.  I just find you sad.

I hope the reason you find me sad is that I have found myself in an argument on an internet forum with someone who is so desperate to have the last word about Kevin Smith that they make posts like "I think you're sad". that's fine, find me sad, my opinion still stands. take things too seriously why don't ya.

You're allowed to waste a total of 4 posts per thread bickering.

Take it to PM's, guys.

I don't think this film is as bad as people make it out to be.  Yes, it is sentimental and sweet for a Kevin Smith film, but it was still enjoyable, due to Smith's dialogue and the chemistry between the characters.  The film is not without its flaws, such as POSSIBLE SPOILER the slightly over long Will Smith-Ben Affleck conversation END SPOILER but it has a lot of nice touches.  It doesn't break new ground, but an earnest film like this is a change for Smith.

Miramax Home Entertainment have just announced Jersey Girl which is the latest film from director Kevin Smith. The film stars Ben Affleck and Liv Tyler, and will be available to own in shops from the 7th September this year. Retail will be set at around $29.99. As well as a 1.85:1 anamorphic widescreen presentation, the disc will include an English Dolby Digital 5.1 track, a French Language track, an audio commentary with director Kevin Smith and star Ben Affleck, a number of deleted scenes, a behind the scenes making of special and more. Stay tuned for the final artwork.

I've been a big Kevin Smith fan for awhile, but this movie was fucking horrible...

the dialogue was great but god damn Mr. Smith stick to what you know...

And now i found out the DVD will be released on my b-day. This makes me want to suck my own wee wee.

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Like you need an excuse.

Oh man, probably the best DVD cover of the year:

EDIT: Sorry about that. Thanks Mac.

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awful

from the old pic from kevin to jason bigg's unreal pearly white teeths to liv tyler's attempt to strange ben affleck i would like to say:

that is a horrible cover.

my two cents.

we have to add WORST COVER ART to this years xixax awards.  and i'd like to nominate this as a major contender.

Yep, yep...really bad.

I sincerely doubt that it's the final cover...

And by "sincerely doubt" in mean "I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope..."

that is probably the worst dvd cover i've ever seen. the kevin smith peek-a-boo is the worst part

It even looks like the little girl is pressing against the cover, check out her arm. Is she trying to escape?

jesus liv tyler's severed head looks scary.. and the random peek-a-boo. yes this is the worst cover i have ever seen. wow.

Jason Biggs has Bigg Red Lips!

And this HAS to NOT BE the DVD Cover
Cuz Biggs gets credit for what? 2, 3 scenes tops?
GEORGE CARLIN DESERVES TOP BILLING!
He was awesome in this movie if ANYone actually was!

cover kevin biggs peek-a-boo

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I saw this the other night. My god, what mediocrity. Well, I guess I shouldn't be too harsh. It just seemed, well middle of the road. Mod is right, Liv Tyler is a dream girl but more of a generic dream girl for Ben's character. It was a surprise to see J Lo in another halfway decent film. Despite all the publicity and dancing tronic music she presses on the has the potential to be quite an amazing actress. She just needs to work with much more capable directors.

So the story was kind of pedestrian but it had moments that were complete kevin smith. He felt restrained here and I guess thats a good thing for him, being diverse. It didn't have the extra oomph and I was wondering if there ever was a director's cut. Probably isn't. It was wonderful to see Carlin again. If you view that last scene with him and Ben's character, you could see that George could really act.

The girl was cute and it was great seeing Will Smith in a cameo.

Thats all the space I'm going to waist on this film, for the moment anyway.

Yeah, it sucks, hasn't aged well.

It's funny how Kevin Smith just CANNOT seem to grow as a filmmaker. He never gets better. NEVER EVER.

Do 15 year old kids still dig him? I mean, does he resonate with them the way he used to resonate with us?

Its okay if you as a director never get better but if a director you grow and have a different themes and ideas that can make you a better director, perhaps a great director. Industry people like to put people in a box and I think kevin was fine for that for a while. It made him good money. He will become a more versitile director, maybe directing his pallete somewhere else if he ever gets his horror film off the ground and running. I still respect him more for trying to do something a little different with 'Jersey girl'.

Come to think of it its possibly going to be the only kevin smith film you can take with your parents in tow and not have them completely freaked out. I'm gonna look for a link for clerks 2 now, just saw that as well.