Cradle Will Rock

Started by Victor, May 22, 2003, 02:41:07 PM

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Victor

May 22, 2003, 02:41:07 PM
I LOVE this movie. Hank Azaria, Emily Watson, Bill Murray, Susan Sarandon, Phillip Baker Hall, the Cusacks, and a drunk-ass Orson Welles swaggering around? Whats not to love? Its got some great cinematography too, the movie starts off with a seven minute steadicam shot, and the colors are perfect even though its not the best transfer. Tim Robbins, the lefty prince that he is, doesnt get nearly as much credit as he deserves. Hes the man.

See this if you havent.
are you gonna eat with us too?

SoNowThen

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May 22, 2003, 04:07:22 PM
Angus MacFadyen = great actor. Highly underused.
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

SoNowThen

#2
May 22, 2003, 04:09:50 PM
In general, I mean. I dunno about this movie, cuz I haven't seen it.
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

godardian

#3
May 23, 2003, 04:58:05 PM
I seem to recall lukewarm reviews at best when this was first released...

Now it seems people are standing line to rave about it.

It's on my list. My previous reason for wanting to see it (sort of): The soundtrack contains the only PJ Harvey song I've never heard. It's a cover of something or other. Maybe I should've just picked up the soundtrack.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

Ghostboy

#4
May 23, 2003, 07:14:31 PM
This movie is BRILLIANT. I saw it when it first came out and didn't comprehend those lukewarm reviews. I felt like standing up and applauding when it was over -- I should have, since I was the only person in the theater.

The cinematography, btw, is by Jean Yves Escoffier, one of my favorites.

godardian

#5
May 23, 2003, 07:35:30 PM
Quote from: Ghostboy

The cinematography, btw, is by Jean Yves Escoffier, one of my favorites.

Ah, yes... Gummo... Neil Labute (though he didn't do Shape of Things, which may explain that one's relative dullness). He is a good cinematographer.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

RegularKarate

#6
May 23, 2003, 10:21:38 PM
Yes, this is a great flick.  I haven't seen this in a long time... maybe I'll check it out again... thanks for reminding me.

Sleuth

#7
May 25, 2003, 12:44:54 AM
It's about to come on Bravo, I'm going to watch it for the first time
I like to hug dogs

Victor

#8
May 25, 2003, 09:47:14 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

The bastards! They cropped out half the beautiful frame! "Mommy, why are you so ugly?" Damn...i feel sorry for anyone watching it like that.
are you gonna eat with us too?

Sleuth

#9
May 25, 2003, 03:07:21 PM
:(
I like to hug dogs

sphinx

#10
June 07, 2003, 04:08:11 PM
just rented it.  thought it was fantastic.  was surprised to see philip baker hall and jack black just show up, exxcellent stuff

Ravi

#11
June 07, 2003, 08:53:16 PM
I remember not responding to it either way when I saw it on video a few years ago.  If you guys like it that much, perhaps it is time to give it a second chance.

sphinx

#12
June 23, 2003, 05:12:42 PM
i compiled parts of the soundtrack into an mp3 (mostly azaria's stuff).  if any of you want it, e-mail me

budgie

#13
June 24, 2003, 06:10:17 AM
I saw it on video a couple of years ago and loved it, raved about it and have it in my head as one of the most neglected movies ever. I agree, Tim Robbins will one day be recognised. My only reservation was that, as a review I read suggested, he should have played Welles (know the looks are off, but...). It's a great and idealistic movie that stirs but doesn't sicken. Love the cast but specially John Turturro and Em of course.

What is Robbins up to now?

aclockworkjj

#14
June 28, 2003, 11:58:52 AM
Quote from: budgieWhat is Robbins up to now?

Him and Susan are currently saving the world....


I have always liked this movie....it made me feel confident in PTA casting Watson for PDL....it's just a fun kinda film....I actually have this really cool book ...it's like a picture shooting script type deal....definately worth checking out if you liked the film.....
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