Live Free or Die Hard

Started by MacGuffin, May 22, 2006, 11:43:36 AM

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Kal

Justin Long here reminds me of Shia LaBeouf in Constantine... what the fuck was his character there for and how can he ever be the type of guy who fights DEMONS?

It also reminded me of that, because the movie sucked... like this one probably will.

Derek, dont mess with Rocky Balboa! :boxing:

matt35mm

Quote from: kal on December 16, 2006, 05:24:07 PM
Derek, dont mess with Rocky Balboa! :boxing:

Seconded!

Stallone wrote the first Rocky, and that's proof to me that he knows character.  Maybe he's since forgotten character, but now he seems genuinely reminded of the importance of that.  Rocky Balboa certainly seems like it's honoring the character of Rocky.  AND I WON'T STAND BY WHILE YOU TAINT SUCH PURE HEART AS THAT!

This Die Hard thing is completely different.  The creative force behind the first Die Hard is not involved in this project, so there's no chance of recreating the magic, because the magic was never theirs.  Plus the director and writers SUCK.  Rocky Balboa, however, is the source going back to the source.  It's the real deal muthafucka!

Sorry, I just came back from running so I have maybe some extra adrenaline going or something.  But still, I stick by all of that.

Derek237

Wow, who would've thought? I struck a nerve with Rocky. But anyway, don't get me wrong, I'm still totally excited for both Rocky Balboa and Live Free or Die Hard.

grand theft sparrow

Quote from: overmeunderyou on December 16, 2006, 05:18:24 PM
Did anybody think "tony scott" when that american flag waved its way along the building?
And more importantly, was it wrong for me to think that... 90's cheese.

VERY wrong for you to think Tony Scott.   :evil:

Quote from: othersparrow on December 15, 2006, 08:16:07 AM
They took the Die Hard movies and sprayed Michael Bay's feces all over it.

Gold Trumpet

My interest is invested in this project, so I'll comment.

I'm worried about the director and writers, but I'm not completely worried yet about the trailer. It is a very early trailer and is only focused on the effects so this movie could be doing what Casino Royale did: multiply all the effects in a movie to a two minute trailer to advertise something that it will not be. This Die Hard could be a reduction of effects to a more ardent storyline. Willis has been promoting a return of the franchise to what originally made it successful. I'm glad he bad mouths the other two movies. They are pretty bad. I just wonder if this film will be him giving into the pressure of remaining a star and accepting an easy success or really getting the fourth entry he's been waiting for.

The one bad part of the trailer: When Long asks Willis if he has ever done this before and he keeps his cool face on. The first one was successful because it played up the humbleness of the average cop going all out. Now the average cop that MaClaine was has become another prototype of the Steve McQueen legacy.

modage

i just can't believe John McClane is bald.  :shock:
Christopher Nolan's directive was clear to everyone in the cast and crew: Use CGI only as a last resort.

pete

Quote from: The Gold Trumpet on December 17, 2006, 06:54:21 PM
My interest is invested in this project, so I'll comment.

I'm worried about the director and writers, but I'm not completely worried yet about the trailer. It is a very early trailer and is only focused on the effects so this movie could be doing what Casino Royale did: multiply all the effects in a movie to a two minute trailer to advertise something that it will not be. This Die Hard could be a reduction of effects to a more ardent storyline. Willis has been promoting a return of the franchise to what originally made it successful. I'm glad he bad mouths the other two movies. They are pretty bad. I just wonder if this film will be him giving into the pressure of remaining a star and accepting an easy success or really getting the fourth entry he's been waiting for.

The one bad part of the trailer: When Long asks Willis if he has ever done this before and he keeps his cool face on. The first one was successful because it played up the humbleness of the average cop going all out. Now the average cop that MaClaine was has become another prototype of the Steve McQueen legacy.

that's silly, die hard 2 was almost exactly like die hard 1, and die hard 3, while it rambled on a bit, was a lot like the other die hards as well.  I think every renewed franchise's promise of "returning to the roots" is as bullshit as every comicbook movie vowing to be as gritty as the original.  those are just dubious mea-culpas aimed to edify some sort of presumed sanctity in commercial success.  capturing original magic in subsequent sequels is bullshit and always will be, even porn stars know that.
"Tragedy is a close-up; comedy, a long shot."
- Buster Keaton

Gold Trumpet

I believe there are signficant differences. In the first Die Hard, the first action sequence takes 15 minutes longer to appear than any of the sequels. The first Die Hard is better detailed to encompassing the events of a terrorist take over than any of the sequels. The sequels focus more on MaClane and his hero status and general details. Also, there are only two significant explosians in the first one (the bomb MaClane makes and the destruction of the rooftop) while the sequels, especially the third, are more littered with explosians and over the top sequences. An early sequence of MaClane dodging bullets from every terrorist in Part II is especially unbelievable and unworthy of only being an early action sequence. The first Die Hard develops the action to get bigger gradually and makes the stunts more believable. The third Die Hard has one great sequence where MaClane wears a racist billboard in Harlem but then the stunts get quickly outrageous after that scene.

I believe there are other major differences, but generally, the first is exceptional for sticking to the realities of a terrorist situation and developing the action around that scenario. I felt the sequels depended on the action sequences and the story and scenario only came second.

socketlevel

worst thing about this movie is that he's bald now.  even if he doesn't have the hair to back it up, willis shoulda worn a wig.  john maclane is not a tough guy by choice, he shouldn't look like a badass mofo.
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MacGuffin

Kevin Smith Lives Free and Dies Hard?
Source: Moviehole

In a new chapter in his award winning web blog series, Smith has revealed that he shot scenes for the upcoming Die Hard film.

"For five days, I acted opposite Bruce Willis in this summer's "Live Free or Die Hard," writes Smith as a teaser.

Smith plays the closed mouth character Silent Bob along side Jason Mewes in Clerks, Mallrats, Chasing Amy, Dogma, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back and Clerks 2. Recently Smith has been lured to casting sessions. His first big supporting role in a feature film he didn't direct or produce comes in Catch and Release, which will hit theaters in early 2007, and it was just announced that Smith will voice one of the comedic characters in the computer generated Ninja Turtles movie TMNT. Smith also just filmed a part in a new television Pilot for Showtime called Manchild.

As for Smith's role in Live Free or Die Hard, we're going to have to wait and see.

Live Free or Die Hard hits theaters on July 4th 2007.
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MacGuffin

"Don't think about making art, just get it done. Let everyone else decide if it's good or bad, whether they love it or hate it. While they are deciding, make even more art." - Andy Warhol


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MacGuffin

"Don't think about making art, just get it done. Let everyone else decide if it's good or bad, whether they love it or hate it. While they are deciding, make even more art." - Andy Warhol


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grand theft sparrow

So they're going back to 4.0?  Or is this an early promotional poster?

MacGuffin

Quote from: jacksparrow on February 28, 2007, 01:42:27 PM
So they're going back to 4.0?  Or is this an early promotional poster?

Domestic has the Live Free... title. International is going with the 4.0.
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grand theft sparrow

Right, because the rest of the world has no idea what freedom is... gotcha.   :salute: