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Film Discussion => News and Theory => Topic started by: Dottie_Hinkle on May 13, 2004, 06:26:32 AM

Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: Dottie_Hinkle on May 13, 2004, 06:26:32 AM
Mine are Eating Raoul and most of John Waters.  Female Trouble is probably my fav.
Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: Thrindle on May 13, 2004, 09:33:37 AM
:-D I really can't help but love Indian Summer.  And how can anyone ever forget this one:  
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Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: SoNowThen on May 13, 2004, 09:38:09 AM
Meatballs


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Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: Pubrick on May 13, 2004, 09:49:24 AM
camp not camp.
Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: SoNowThen on May 13, 2004, 09:52:27 AM
:roll:

I know. It was a riff off of the Barry Lyndon thread.
Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 13, 2004, 10:00:07 AM
I think Wet Hot American Summer walks the line between camp and camp, doesn't it?
Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: cine on May 13, 2004, 10:34:56 AM
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Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: UncleJoey on May 13, 2004, 10:48:31 AM
Can't be beat
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Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: El Duderino on May 13, 2004, 11:15:09 AM
camp
adams family values
heavyweights
Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: A World Apart on May 13, 2004, 12:16:32 PM
Evil Dead...it's just bursting with camping goodness
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Edit: I know what "camp" means...i deserve a cookie
Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: ono on May 13, 2004, 12:26:33 PM
Some of you don't seem to know what "camp" means.

When I hear "camp," Batman (1966) comes to mind, as does 8 Women.
Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: cron on May 13, 2004, 12:30:31 PM
What does it means?
Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: ono on May 13, 2004, 12:36:20 PM
Quote from: dictionary.comhaving deliberately artificial, vulgar, banal, or affectedly humorous qualities or style
A World Apart has it right (I see Evil Dead as campy goodness anyway -- most horror tries to toe the line between camp and "scary" and doesn't do too well), as does Cinephile (his, perhaps not so coincidentally, fits both definitions), and hacksparrow obviously knows what the deal is.  It's like Pubrick said:
Quote from: Pubrickcamp not camp
Do you see?
Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: Born Under Punches on May 13, 2004, 12:47:42 PM
"Beyond the Valley of the Dolls."
Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: mogwai on May 13, 2004, 01:24:49 PM
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Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: Thrindle on May 13, 2004, 03:57:38 PM
I am laughing so hard at myself.  It's camp, not camp.

I can be so blonde....
Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: MacGuffin on May 13, 2004, 04:39:43 PM
Camp classics:

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Camp classic:

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Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: godardian on May 13, 2004, 04:41:23 PM
Anyone interested should read "Notes on 'Camp'" from:

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A movie doesn't HAVE to be bad to qualify as 'camp,' but many bad movies work better as camp than they do as "themselves." There is plenty of camp in Tarantino, de Palma, Sam Fuller... anything overstuffed, overheated, exaggerated to the point of absurdity. There is, by the same token, plenty of camp in Titanic.

Female Trouble is great, great, great. John Waters's best movie. 8 Women is sort of camp, so far as intentional camp counts.

Sontag claims camp only works when something is other than it intends to be. I don't know that I entirely agree with that. But when someone says "camp movie," these are the ones that come to mind:

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Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: SHAFTR on May 13, 2004, 05:05:29 PM
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and...

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Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: soixante on May 13, 2004, 05:58:55 PM
According to the dictionary, camp is something so outrageously artificial, affected, inappropriate or out-of-date as to be considered amusing.

By that definition, Mommie Dearest imminently qualifies.  It was originally released as a straight, dramatic film, but the reviews were so bad that Paramount re-released it as a camp film, hoping it could be the next Rocky Horror.

Island of Dr. Moureau, with Brando camping it up, is a camp classic (and it also features Val Kilmer aping Brando, adding another layer of weirdness).

For me, Raquel Welch and Mae West epitomize camp.  Put them together, and you have Camp with a capital C.  In Myra Breckinridge, they did work together, and the end result speaks for itseld.  Mae West appeared in Sextette, a truly campy film.  I am fond of The Wild Party, with Racquel Welch singing and dancing in a story loosely (very loosely) based on the Fatty Arbuckle scandal.  The film also features Perry King and James Coco, and was directed by James Ivory (his only camp film).  It just so happens that Myra and Wild Party are both out on DVD now.
Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: Alethia on May 13, 2004, 08:13:54 PM
the cheerleaders, revenge of the cheerleaders, and the swinging cheerleaders

don't go in the house

horror hotel
Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: El Duderino on May 13, 2004, 08:14:59 PM
anything by ed wood
Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: bonanzataz on May 13, 2004, 10:13:14 PM
Quote from: godardianFemale Trouble is great, great, great. John Waters's best movie.

that's a pretty bold statement. while i love female trouble as much as i do, i definitely don't think it's his best. it kind of loses its edge once divine's face gets mangled. i prefer pink flamingos (though i could do without the chicken fucking scene, the singing asshole scene, and the mother-son blowjob scene).

Quote from: godardianmommie dearest
whatever happened to baby jane

beautiful choices. i will add to the list...

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david lynch has his campy moments (those are my favorite parts of his movies). especially in...
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Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 13, 2004, 10:49:00 PM
Two obvious ones:

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And who decided this is a picture thread?
Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: bonanzataz on May 13, 2004, 10:50:25 PM
hedwig has its campy MOMENTS, but, like wild at heart, i wouldn't exactly classify it as a camp film.

how about this one? this is one of my favorites...

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Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: modage on May 13, 2004, 11:19:18 PM
Quote from: OnomatopitaSome of you don't seem to know what "camp" means.

When I hear "camp," 8 Women comes to mind.
he said 'camp'.  i believe you're thinking of 'crap'.
Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: NEON MERCURY on May 13, 2004, 11:30:11 PM
Quote from: bonanzataz
david lynch has his campy moments (those are my favorite parts of his movies)

..yeah taz..i agree..wild at heart is pure camp...and twin peaks (tv) series falls into this also....

everything said in this scene in wild at heart is brilliant(pure camp)..
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Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: ono on May 13, 2004, 11:55:36 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
Quote from: OnomatopitaSome of you don't seem to know what "camp" means.

When I hear "camp," 8 Women comes to mind.
he said 'camp'.  i believe you're thinking of 'crap'.
I would be, except for the fact that 8 Women is a great movie.  Now, Swimming Pool, OTOH, yes, I do believe that would be crap.  :-D
Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 14, 2004, 12:21:03 AM
Quote from: OnomatopitaOTOH
That's unnecessary, IMHO.
Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: cron on May 14, 2004, 12:27:48 AM
*Laughs Out Loud*
Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: Just Withnail on May 14, 2004, 07:05:09 AM
Am I the only one who reads those two as "Otto" and "I'm Ho"?

On topic:
(does it count?)
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Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: Dottie_Hinkle on May 14, 2004, 12:28:26 PM
Quote from: bonanzataz
Quote from: godardianFemale Trouble is great, great, great. John Waters's best movie.

Quote from: that's a pretty bold statement. while i love female trouble as much as i do, i definitely don't think it's his best. it kind of loses its edge once divine's face gets mangled. i prefer pink flamingos (though i could do without the chicken fucking scene, the singing asshole scene, and the mother-son blowjob scene). [/quote

Hey, them's fightin words.  FT is the shit.  And who in the world would want PF without the singing asshole scene??  You are no Waters fan, my friend.  And, YES!  I'm the one who trashed Apocalypse Now.   :twisted:
Title: Favorite Camp Film
Post by: MacGuffin on October 27, 2004, 01:32:28 PM
Long-Lost Final Film by Ed Wood Rediscovered

Considered the worst film maker of all time, Ed Wood won a cult following after his death and now fans can see his long-lost last film "Necromania," a work some say shows he was so bad that he was brilliant.

But it's not for the faint-hearted. The 1971 movie is a porn film documenting the sexual enlightenment of a young couple at the hands of a coven of witches.

The much maligned creator of enduring cult classics such as "Bride of the Monster," Wood was himself the subject of Tim Burton's 1994 biopic, the lead role played by Johnny Depp .

That film shows the making of Wood's most famous film -- "Plan 9 From Outer Space" from 1956 -- in which actors screw up their lines and "special effects" include pie tins for flying saucers.

"Necromania" -- the last film Wood directed -- was filmed over two or three days with a budget of no more than $7,000 and the only copies went missing soon after it was made. The movie tells the story of Danny and Shirley, a young couple who visit the mysterious Madame Heles for help with their flagging sex life. The lessons they are taught involve skulls, spells and sex in a coffin.

Rudolph Grey, author of a biography of the director, and a fellow Ed Wood enthusiast, movie distributor Alexander Kogan, unearthed "Necromania" in a warehouse in Los Angeles after more than 15 years of detective work.

A year ago they contacted the editors of a pornography Web site called Fleshbot, which this week will start selling the DVD by mail order for $19.99.

"I knew of its existence since about 1982 and it intrigued me because it was supposedly one of the last feature movies that Ed Wood did, so naturally I wanted to see it," said Grey.

At one point Grey and Kogan were frustrated to be told the only person who might know the film's whereabouts was in jail -- as a result of a porn bust in Florida.

They waited until he got out and resumed the search, striking gold in 2001.

PURE GENIUS?

"This is something more than just porn," said Fredrik Carlstrom, executive producer of the DVD featuring two versions of the film, one soft core, the other more explicit.

"This is an old film. It's in the '70s, they're hairy, they don't look the way we are used to now," Carlstrom said.

"It has a story, it has ambition ... It's like all his films, like anything that's so bad it becomes good. Or maybe it's pure genius. That's the appeal of Ed Wood."

Struggling to find backers for more mainstream work, Wood turned to smut in the 1960s, making a string of films and "loops" -- short porn flicks shown in coin-operated booths -- up until his death in 1978.

Grey, author of the biography "Nightmare of Ecstasy," said those who dismiss him as naive and talentless are plain wrong.

"These movies seem to exist in another plain of existence where nobody pays any attention to them whatsoever, and that must have been frustrating to Ed Wood," Grey said.

He says "Necromania" displays Wood's wit and style and he points to a scene where the main character Danny is struggling to untangle a pair of red pajama bottoms to put them on.

"The guy's fumbling for about 15 seconds and he's starting to laugh -- the actor, he can't get the pajama bottoms on and he's laughing," Grey says. "He could have cut that out but Ed Wood left that in intentionally. He was having some fun."