I might be nuts, but in one of the scenes (a deleted one), Stanley is spotted in a local dinner, eating a cookie, where "Dixon" and the "Worm" happen to be.
From what I got out of it, the "Worm" starts to make himself cry, so that Stanley feels sorry for him and goes over to speak with him. The "Worm", then tells Stanley.
WORM: You know what it's like to come home
scared, scared that maybe if you don't
have the money you're supposed to
go out each day and get that you're gonna
get beaten....by a belt...he hits me
with a belt, Stanley
Of course, this is WORM trying to make Stanley feel bad for him, so that he would get money from him. If he needed money, Stanley was the guy to talk to, at the diner.
I think that line is better suited for "Dixon", who unless I am crazy, is the Worm's son. So, is this a mix-up and Dixon beats his dad with a belt? mmm. Or is a 40 year old man getting beaten by a belt for money by his old man?
In "That Moment: Magnolia Diary", we see "Dixon" come in, with a gun, spotting his father and Stanley having a conversation, and telling his dad that they should rob Stanley??
I don't know if the scene was just a mess or it all came down to Emmanuel Johnson's acting.
I loved the final product but if this was the shooting script that was submited to the Academy, it might explain, with it's errors, why it didn't win "Best Orginal Screenplay".
Sorry if somebody else spotted this and wrote a post awhile back. I can't find anything with the search engine here.
Quote from: ckad79I might be nuts, but in one of the scenes (a deleted one), Stanley is spotted in a local dinner, eating a cookie, where "Dixon" and the "Worm" happen to be.
From what I got out of it, the "Worm" starts to make himself cry, so that Stanley feels sorry for him and goes over to speak with him. The "Worm", then tells Stanley.
WORM: You know what it's like to come home
scared, scared that maybe if you don't
have the money you're supposed to
go out each day and get that you're gonna
get beaten....by a belt...he hits me
with a belt, Stanley
Of course, the reason behind that line is that they noticed, Stanley, as being the kid on TV who had won money. If he needed money, Stanley was the guy to talk to, at the diner.
I think that line is better suited for "Dixon", who unless I am crazy, is the Worm's son. So the Dixon beats his dad with a belt? mmm. Or is a 40 year old man getting beaten by a belt for money by his dad?
BUT in "That Moment: Magnolia Diary", we see "Dixon" come in, with a gun, spotting his father and Stanley having a conversation, and telling his dad that they should rob Stanley??
I don't know if the scene was just a mess or it all came down to Emmanuel Johnson's acting.
I loved the final product but if this was the shooting script that was submited to the Academy, it might explain, with it's errors, why it didn't win "Best Orginal Screenplay".
Sorry if somebody else spotted this and write a post awhile back. I can't find anything with the search engine here.
Perhaps that bit was a typo, with Worm saying those lines. There are a lot of typos in the shooting script, so that's not a surprise. I don't THINK Academy members really read the scripts, and if they do, that is not the reason that it didn't win. It was clear that Magnolia was a dark horse, and American Beauty simply was a more fitting screenplay for that award.
And things get jumbled all the time between writing and shooting, so any inconsistancies are also not surprising.
The scene was not cut because of the kid's acting. It was cut because it was an unnecessary subplot. The whole Worm subplot was pretty much cut out, except for the bit that's left in the final movie. I, personally, think PTA made the right choice there. I really didn't need that in the movie, myself. I think the movie is just rock solid amazing as is, and would've lost steam and focus (the movie's scatterbrained enough as it is) with that whole subplot in there.
Quote from: matt35mmThe scene was not cut because of the kid's acting. It was cut because it was an unnecessary subplot.
is that the official reason? i always figured it was cut cos dixon is pretty much the worst child actor of all time.. :yabbse-huh:
That shot from behind Dixons head really irks the shit outta me. Also, I haven't seen Magnolia for years but I remember there was a scene where he flubs his line, something like "And thats/././././.yjthats how you gonna get him" or something like that.
Quote from: Stefen Posts Ghetto?"And thats/././././.yjthats how you gonna get him" or something like that.
I don't know exactly how one would say that, but I believe
he says "Now, that shit w-will help you solve the case."
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DIXON'S CRAP
Quote from: PubrickQuote from: matt35mmThe scene was not cut because of the kid's acting. It was cut because it was an unnecessary subplot.
is that the official reason?
yes.
In THAT MOMENT he seems to be having a hard time shooting this one.
I lioke him for being a happy director.
Quote from: ranemaka13Quote from: Stefen Posts Ghetto?"And thats/././././.yjthats how you gonna get him" or something like that.
I don't know exactly how one would say that, but I believe he says "Now, that shit w-will help you solve the case."
Yeah, yeah thats it. Is it just an editing mistake or an acting mistake? Did the film skip a bit or was it just an awful take?
Quote from: Stefen Posts Ghetto?Quote from: ranemaka13Quote from: Stefen Posts Ghetto?"And thats/././././.yjthats how you gonna get him" or something like that.
I don't know exactly how one would say that, but I believe he says "Now, that shit w-will help you solve the case."
Yeah, yeah thats it. Is it just an editing mistake or an acting mistake? Did the film skip a bit or was it just an awful take?
I think it was the best take they had. :wink:
DUDE.
The Dead Guy in the closet was Worm's dad or step-dad. He beat Worm, or an earlier father figure of Worm beat him.
I didn't think it was confusing. I just thought that a grown man is scared of being beat. Oh well, these strange things happen all the time.
(crickets)
Would also like to see this missing footage. I'm sure it will never surface, however, and perhaps that's the way it should be. As far as Dixon is concerned, i'm not sure where the issue is with this flubbed line crap. I think this kid is pitch-perfect, at least in the scenes that remain in the film. He has an undeniably great chemistry with John C. Riley and screen presence. That moment where he fubbles with the words was, in the humble opinion of this narrator, there best take by far. Even if there were one's where this didn't happen. To capture a moment like that is priceless and I believe adds to the trueness of the scene. People fubble over their speech all the time. PTA knows what he's doing. I'm one for a DIXON RULES thread.
The only thing missing from Magnolia is a commentary track on my DVD. Maybe we can persuade PTA to do one as a separate purchase, kind of a supplement. Well, one can dream. One can dream.
No, no, the kid's crap.
dixon, dixon, dixon
"lady..."
"i just told you who did it...(voice gets real high)...and you're not even listening..."
Gotta love that little shit.
Hello, Hello
i thought they didn't use the diner scene cause in the diary you see pta is really pissed with the way he was directing it. i could have sworn there was this whole thing with him going "fuck, i just fucked it up. we lost a whole day of shooting" or something like that.
also on the diary, pta talks about how the film was originally nine stories. and how it was going to be 3 hours 15 mins. it came to 3 so he for some reason cut dixon out. maybe he didn't like the pacing of the film when that story was in it. maybe you guys have heard this from the horses mouth but that's the impression i always had.
yo dixon's alright, why d'you guys hate him so much? i think the line flub shows that he's a kid and that's the best thing pta could do. it's pure moment when he fucks it up. i'm with a couple others, i think he's good shit. mind you i haven't seen the film in four or so years but i remember loving his rap in the theatres. seemed metaphorical once the worm story was used less. i was like, what the fuck is this worm business. is this like the 8:2 shit. it was mysterious.
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Quote from: socketleveli remember loving his rap in the theatres.
u could decipher that gargling of words? i couldn't understand half the shit he mumbled until i got the dvd.
Quote from: PubrickQuote from: socketleveli remember loving his rap in the theatres.
u could decipher that gargling of words? i couldn't understand half the shit he mumbled until i got the dvd.
All ya' had t'do wuz listen and ya' would gots' understood plum fine. What it is, Mama!
e z playa
i figured you all loved little dix...at least eye denta fried wif dem...
inniewhey...i still havent heard any real educated theory on the worm care actor...
i will clue you as to a cool hue...notice who big jim k finds sliding alongs once it starts to rains...sidewalks in the valley be covered with them creatures in this kynd of heavy weather...love that detail but i think i'm the only one...
lifeswork in the hands of children...what do kids know? coincidence
Quote from: atticus jones...at least eye denta fried wif dem...
shoulda said: denta fried wif ham. dude, your slippin'.
dix, would be trippy on the surreal life....
Quote from: PubrickQuote from: socketleveli remember loving his rap in the theatres.
u could decipher that gargling of words? i couldn't understand half the shit he mumbled until i got the dvd.
yeah i got it, or like 80 percent of it. but it coming so quick was part of that mysterious feeling. it felt like the kid was giving a warning for everyone in the film... like he was some kind of prophet. i really liked it and liked the way it was shot.
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Did PTA really write Dix's rap or did he get help from someone,
Im going through the motions but i cant seem to find any rappers that are connected to PTA during`99, Through Fionna maybe?
Quote from: socketlevelQuote from: PubrickQuote from: socketleveli remember loving his rap in the theatres.
u could decipher that gargling of words? i couldn't understand half the shit he mumbled until i got the dvd.
yeah i got it, or like 80 percent of it. but it coming so quick was part of that mysterious feeling. it felt like the kid was giving a warning for everyone in the film... like he was some kind of prophet. i really liked it and liked the way it was shot.
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I saw Magnolia back when I was a full blown hip hop head and I couldn't understand what the hell he was talking about. If I had known what I know now he could have been nicknamed 1/2 cent.
And the way it was shot seemed really amateurish to me, especially a shot from the back of 1/2 cent's head centered right in the middle at the bottom, I laughed when I saw it but that was more cause I felt embarassed than anything else. I think Reilly even says something like "Be cool, stay in school" as he leaves. HAHAHAH. Come on.
Quote from: StefenAnd the way it was shot seemed really amateurish to me, especially a shot from the back of 1/2 cent's head centered right in the middle at the bottom, I laughed when I saw it but that was more cause I felt embarassed than anything else. I think Reilly even says something like "Be cool, stay in school" as he leaves. HAHAHAH. Come on.
Kidding right??
No, not at all. Why? Is that scene a breakthrough in framing and acting and writing?
Whaaat are you talking about at all? That shot was a.) beautifully composed and b.) set up a perfect beat for after the rap.
An amateur would have cut to that shot while the kid was still in rap mode. You should be embarrassed for being embarassed and laughing out at a moment that was sooo in tune.
Kidding right?
Quote from: 72teethDid PTA really write Dix's rap or did he get help from someone,
Im going through the motions but i cant seem to find any rappers that are connected to PTA during`99, Through Fionna maybe?
yeah uhm white people can rap too, especially if it's 27 seconds worth of lyrics. Come on...the words coming out of the right person it could seem serious and not from skinny film geeks.
I dont know if any of you take the kid who plays Dixon seriously as a rapper, but neither did anyone in the movie.
The words were more like poetry with some rap tones, swearz, and epithets throw in for good urban measure. In retrospect it's actually pretty cool for such a small thing in the film.
Hmm...here's a couple thoughts: I'm pretty sure on the DVD behind the scenes footage, that wasn't Stanely. Also, I think that the Dixon thing works great as it is. His rap is very foreboding and sets a certain tone for the film. I wonder if, and how, Dixon is connected the Jim getting his gun back.
Quote from: JimmyGatorI wonder if, and how, Dixon is connected the Jim getting his gun back.
no wonder u like dixon..
Quote from: PubrickQuote from: JimmyGatorI wonder if, and how, Dixon is connected the Jim getting his gun back.
no wonder u like dixon..
explain...
your sentence was incoherent.
Quote from: Pubrickyour sentence was incoherent.
lady...lady...wake up.
Quote from: JimmyGatorQuote from: Pubrickyour sentence was incoherent.
lady...lady...wake up.
sorry, did i say sentence? i meant "your entire post history".
Quote from: PubrickQuote from: JimmyGatorQuote from: Pubrickyour sentence was incoherent.
lady...lady...wake up.
sorry, did i say sentence? i meant "your entire post history".
haha sorry. what i meant to say "i wonder if the gun falling from the sky at the end of the movie is connected to Dixon." i thought i read that somewhere along time ago.
Quote from: JimmyGatorhaha sorry. what i meant to say "i wonder if the gun falling from the sky at the end of the movie is connected to Dixon." i thought i read that somewhere along time ago.
in that case, yeah sort of. in the shooting script during the closing "So Now Then" epilogue..
EXT. MAGNOLIA - DAWN
Worm's car drives down the street. LONG LENS. ANGLE, at the car,
Dixon leans up and out the window a bit....he's got the gun wrapped
in newspaper, taking the fingerprints from the gun....he throws
the POLICE ISSUED WEAPON from the speeding car...(then a short time later is the bit we see, Jim Kurring and Donnie talking "i really do hav love to give" etc..)
CAMERA holds the 2-shot on them, BEAT, THEN: The Police Issued
Revolver FALLS FROM THE SKY AND LANDS ABOUT fifteen feet in front
of them. Jim Kurring and Donnie look. HOLD. CU - Jim Kurring.i assume the revolver dixon threw in the cut scene is sposed to be the one landing a couple scenes later in this epilogue.
where i can i read the script for magnolia, in particular the deleteted scenes? didn't the old ptanderson website have it? does the new one?
thanks for the help and sorry for the incoherence.
i just watched magnolia for the 10th time a couple days ago to confirm that it is one of my favorite movies of all time.
Quote from: JimmyGatorwhere i can i read the script for magnolia, in particular the deleteted scenes?
http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/magnolia.html