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this is a really good show. i just finished watching season one. i would never have expected a UPN show about a high school Private Investigator could be this good. but AICN is always raving about the show, and the AFI named it one of TV's 10 Most Outstanding Programs last year so i thought i would check it out. i would've expected it to be cheesy Nancy Drew crap but there is a darkness about the show that keeps it really interesting (especially the first and last episodes of the season). and Kristen Bell is great. the repartee between her and her dad, who is a P.I. is hilarious and there are a lot of noir private investigator mystery elements that i really liked. i especially love shows that have storylines that run for long periods of time, and in Season 1 there are 3 central mysteries:
SPOILERS
the murder of Veronicas best friend Lily Kane
the possible rape of Veronica
and the disappearance of Veronicas mother
nothing really turned out like i expected and like Lost the show does a good job of not letting any of the characters be as simple as they first seem. ('bad guys' arent always bad, vice versa). so my only hope is that they havent killed the show by solving its big mysteries by seasons end. so we'll see how season two shakes out. its not really like any other show i can think of but if i had to try i'd say its probably like Freaks & Geeks, Twin Peaks & The OC rolled into one. so if you like any of those or you like Film Noir, you'll like this show. Mean Girls fans should note that Amanda Seyfried appears all throughout Season 1 (NOW AVAILABLE ON DVD!) as Lily Kane.
it's alrite at best, boring mostly. it is completely unbelievable, without any reference to reality whatsoever. if you like your shows to be completely ridiculous, this is for you.
i only saw a couple of episodes. i seriously doubt, based on the episodes i saw, that it will ever be anywhere near twin peaks or freaks and geeks, which you compare them to. those shows had a palpable realism. characters and plot developments were stylized to an extent only to service the internal "real" logic of the show. the only worthy comparison to twin peaks would be if all that show meant was "mystery to be solved", or if Freaks and Geeks only meant "show about young ppl".
twin peaks main storyline solving murder of laura palmer = veronica mars main storyline solving murder of lily kane
freaks & geeks being a show about high school outcasts = veronica mars being a show about a high school outcast
and i'm not saying its in a league with those shows, because it's not, but i'm saying if you enjoyed those (as i did) you will find elements like the ones above to draw you into VM as well (in addition to some OC like soap opera). and yes, it doesnt resemble reality at all the same way that alias doesnt but there are still real emotions going on underneath the noir storyline. i think you'd enjoy it more if you followed the whole season. its not a show that should be watched randomly out of context, see it from the beginning.
Agree with Mod. It's a consitantly good show. Very few week episodes and the episode to episode storyline always gets punched up. Check it out if you have the time.
the other week both George Michael (Michael Cera) AND Maeby (Alia Shawkat) guest starred. it was awesome.
Quote from: modage on April 09, 2006, 02:10:11 PM
the other week both George Michael (Michael Cera) AND Maeby (Alia Shawkat) guest starred. it was awesome.
as the AD characters?
hey Raikus, how 'bout that season finale? pretty awesome right? season 2 was nearly or maybe as awesome as season one. they had even more mysteries but none were quite as involving as the lily kane murder.
Herc from AICN gave it 5 Stars (highest rating) (http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=23264)
fingers crossed for it getting picked up by CW for another season...
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Your Veronica Mars Questions Answered!
Source: TV Guide
With the much-anticipated season finale of UPN's Veronica Mars upon us (tonight at 9 pm/ET), many fans are still trying to recover from the shocking not-guilty verdict delivered at Aaron Echolls' trial in last week's episode, while others are already looking ahead to a potential third season. In his latest exclusive Q&A, Mars creator Rob Thomas provides plenty of insight about recent happenings and answers TVGuide.com readers' burning questions about Veronica's future.
Question: First, I trust you. Second, please tell me the whole STD thing will make sense after seeing the finale? I'm torn between whether Duncan slept with Kendall or Aaron paid the doctor.... Do tell! — Holli
Rob Thomas: All will be answered in the finale.
Question: A lot of people are commenting on how Aaron Echolls' attorney obtained Veronica's medical records to reveal in court that she was treated for an STD. Were her medical records obtained illegally? — Jamie
Thomas: Probably. I'm not sure how they were obtained. I'm not even particularly interested in how they were obtained. At the end of the day, Aaron Echolls got off — like O.J., like Michael Jackson, like Robert Blake — because he's famous. Finding 12 jurors who would convict this famous man was simply not going to happen. It's a noir world. Unfair things happen.
Question: Wasn't Kendall the last to use Duncan's shower? Yet she pulled "evidence" pointing to Duncan and not herself from the drain.... — Dan
Thomas: She could tell the hairs apart. Duncan's are shorter.
Question: Is there any significance to the ring Veronica has recently been wearing on her right ring finger? — Sherry
Thomas: No.
Question: After Keith and Veronica's fallout in the "Donut Run" episode, I expected there to be a little more tension between our favorite daddy-daughter team. In "Happy Go Lucky," we saw that tension resurface for an instant, when it was clear Veronica is still hiding things from Keith. In your mind, where do they stand? Did Keith really forgive Veronica for her con so quickly? Or was it repressed and the aftermath is still pending? — Courtney
Thomas: In truth, I think we underplayed the Keith-Veronica riff in the aftermath of "Donut Run." I'm sure everyone is aware that by the time we cut together an episode, the next three episodes are already written and are prepping or shooting. I don't think I was quite prepared for how powerful that moment would be. It's the curse of working with really good actors. After we filmed the scene and cut it together, I realized that we'd kind of already blown the aftermath. I think we had a similar problem after Episode 20 ["Look Who's Stalking"] — the final Logan-/Veronica scene begged some fallout in Episode 21 that we really didn't have in the script. We live. We learn. We try to do better.
Question: Have you considered giving Veronica some self-defense classes at some point, so she can at least defend herself a little bit? — Jessica
Thomas: I don't want the show to be about Veronica kicking ass. Alias and Buffy were great at that sort of thing. Veronica outwits people. And occasionally Tasers them. That's how I like it.
Question: The rich kids are always referred to as "the 09ers." I watch and watch and still don't get why there are called this. Can you help? — Salie
Thomas: The rich kids live in a zip code that ends with 09.
Question: Loved, loved, loved Dick's Texas T-shirt in "Look Who's Stalking"! Hook 'em Horns! Whose idea was it for him to wear the shirt? — Susan
Thomas: Sal, our head of wardrobe, put Dick in the UT shirt. I think he knew it would make me happy.
Question: Do you or someone else on staff have a background in police or detective work to make this show some of the best television ever? I'm truly intrigued about the creative process behind the show. — Jill
Thomas: No. In fact, quite the opposite. In television drama, writers are often thought of as either "character writers" or "procedural writers." Procedural writers tend to write for police shows, law shows, medical shows. Character writers tend to write things like Freaks and Geeks, The Sopranos, Northern Exposure. I haven't hired any procedural writers for the show; everyone comes from a "character" background. We do have a private-investigator adviser whom we call on pretty regularly.
Question: Just curious — are any of those tattoos that Weevil [played by Francis Capra] sports real? Thanks. — Diane
Thomas: All of them are real.
Question: First, I wanted to thank you for giving the fans such quality week after week. Now my question: Were the kids in the back of the van [in the "Plan B" episode] Weevil's niece and nephew? — Stacie
Thomas: No. Those were just random kids waiting for their mom to come out of church.
Question: Is Mac going to be a regular for Season 3? Is she going to Hearst? Will she and Veronica be roommates there? — Lisa
Thomas: We hope that Tina Majorino will be back with us next year. We're trying to negotiate a deal to bring her on as a series regular. We absolutely want her. As for the roommate/college situation, we're still figuring that out.
Question: It seems pretty obvious that Veronica will be at Hearst College next year and the serial rapist story line will also show up again. Can you give us some other clues about what to look forward to next season? — Jessica
Thomas: The biggest news is that we will be going to a three mystery-per-season format next year. This way, the mysteries will play uninterrupted by repeats or preemptions. We're hoping this will help us cast guest stars in smaller arcs, allow newbies to jump in easier, and lessen the too-much-going-on complaint we heard in Season 2.
Title: Veronica Mars
Released: 22nd August 2006
SRP: $59.98
Further Details:
Warner Home Video has revealed artwork for the second season of Veronica Mars which stars Enrico Colantoni, Francis Capra, Kristen Bell and Jason Dohring. The six-disc package will be available to own from the 22nd August, and should retail at around $59.98. Each of the 22 episodes will be presented in anamorphic widescreen, along with English Dolby Digital Surround tracks. According to our friends at TVShowsOnDVD.com, extras will include a behind the scenes featurette, a gag reel, and deleted scenes.
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don't be afraid to catchup, everybody. :yabbse-grin:
it's no AD.
I was pretty disappointed with the Season 2 finale. It was still good, but after the first season's end this one just felt forced.
SPOILERS AHEAD:
There were a lot of cheap things. Like Keith getting blown up in the plane. Did anyone, even for a second, believe he was dead. Also, all the Beaver-the-mad-bomber-what-bombs-at-midnight was hard to swallow. He made all the bombs, placed them and had them set to speed dial on his cell phone? Also, blowing up the bus because the two other kids Woody has molested (and seriously, what self-respecting parents lets their kids get coached by a guy named Woody?) were coming forward about it?
And the coup de grace of the whole episode - Beaver not only RAPED Veronica but gave her an STD too. Ok, all of that was just too much of a "pin it on that guy and hate him real fast" feeling. It seemed lazy.
END SPOILERS
I really hope 7th Heaven didn't knock VM out of the CW spot. I'll keep watching this show. It needs to give me a good 3rd season to make up for the ending of the 2nd.
Havent read some of the comments because I'm not done with all the episodes, but this is actually very good. I read sometimes the Michael Ausiello column, and he always recommended the show, so I thought I'd get the first season. I watched almost all of it during my last trip (where I had almost 18 hours of flying time), and then I got so hooked on it that been watching almost every night since I got back. I'm mid way through the 2nd season and although I thought the Lily Kane murder (plus all the other mysteries) of Season 1 were better than Season 2 so far, it still maintains a very good level.
The only thing that sometimes pisses me off is what Pubrick said: you can relate and many of the situations are real, but sometimes it gets a little ridiculous and impossible. And after 30+ episodes the scene of the bathroom and everyone asking her for help, its a little too much. How does she go to class, spend time at the office, spend time working at the cafe, spends time helping students, then solving other cases with the fater, plus helping Logan, etc... its a little too much for a 18 year old, whoever she is.
Logan is the best character.
Quote from: kal on June 23, 2006, 12:44:02 PM
Logan is the best character.
veronica is the best character. but i do love the LOSTian way it introduced characters (most notably Logan) as people you hate and completely reversed your opinion within a season. thats pretty amazing.
Veronica is like a given that you like her and thats why you watch the show. She has layers, but at the end you kinda know her and what she wants and what she would do in different situations.
What I liked about Logan is how many changes the character went through (and I still have another 8-9 episodes to go) but once you know the character better you can also understand the reason why he sometimes is an ass, or why sometimes he seems nice, and what is the real Logan.
Wallace is one of the best sidekicks I've seen in a while... I thought he would be just the "token black guy", but he ended up being a very cool character. Same as the father ,and even Sheriff Lamb.
Breaking TV News: THE FIRST SCOOP ON VERONICA MARS - SEASON THREE AND PREPARE FOR SOME CHANGES TO FORMAT
Only 13 episodes have been committed to, and if the show rides out its 22 episode order, the mysteries will be divided up into three mini-arcs
Source: iF Magazine
THE SKINNY: Big news (both good and bad) for VERONICA MARS fans. Creator Rob Thomas appeared at the CW's Summer Television Critics Press Tour to drop some major bombs for people hoping the move to the new UPN/WB hybrid network would buy the cult fave some stability.
Unfortunately, according to Thomas, the CW has only given an initial commitment of 13 episodes to VERONICA MARS, even though the creator is confident the show will ride out a full 22.
"I'm not bummed about the 13," he says. "I'm bummed a little bit because I like to book our back-nine directors, but we're either going to do well and do 22 or we're not going to do well and we're not going to make it to 13. So it doesn't matter. I always look at it like if we're doing well, we're going to do 22 episodes.
And honestly, if we're struggling now in our third year, I don't imagine that the fervor of our fans and the very kind response from the press is going to buy us another year. I think we're actually in a make-or-break time now. I think we need to come on in this new time slot and do well."
The other big change is unlike the first two seasons that featured an overall 22-episode "Big Bad" mystery resolved in the final episode, Season Three will feature three different mini-arcs.
"Our first mystery is going to be nine episodes," reveals Thomas. "There will be no preemption's, no repeats in there. Our second mystery will be seven episodes with no preemption's or repeats. And our final mystery of the year will be six episodes with no preemption's or repeats. That's spoken with the confidence of a man who thinks he's going 22 episodes."
While die-hard fans may balk at this reworking of the show's formula, Thomas feels it will actually allow for a larger audience to get hooked on the show.
"To service a 22-episode mystery, you have to have a large playing field," Thomas explains. "To service a 9-episode mystery, we can keep that tighter, more focused. Instead of having 12 people who can be in the running for the villain, there might be five in one of those mysteries. I think it will be much cleaner. I think it will also give a new audience more jumping-in points."
As for what to expect in Season 3, Thomas reveals that Logan and Veronica will be together at the beginning of the season and all the remaining strands of Season Two will be wrapped up in the first two episodes. Veronica and her friends will also be heading off to college which opens the door for a whole new palette of storytelling.
"Veronica is going to still be living at home, and the detective agency will still be open," says Thomas. "And we will see Charisma Carpenter right away in the series. I don't want to give away a lot more than that, but Charisma Carpenter will be in the show at least once."
And as for the series' new time slot Tuesdays at 9:00 p.m. (where the show won't have to compete against ABC's ratings juggernaut LOST), it follows the more compatible THE GILMORE GIRLS and Thomas couldn't be happier.
"I thought that The CW would be a fantastic thing for us if we made it onto the network," says Thomas. "So I was both nervous, because it seemed like there were going to be twice as many shows for the same number of slots, but I felt like if we made it onto the new network that we'd have such a much better chance at survival because The WB was always the network to go to for teen shows. It felt like we were -- in a way, it was the right place for us to be. I think our lead-in this year is going to be a great help to us, and I'm just fingers crossed they don't move LOST to Tuesdays at 9:00 p.m."
Just Shoot Mars
Source: Moviehole
Former "Just Shoot Me" star Laura San Giacomo will reunite with her former on-screen love interest, Enrico Colantoni, for a few eps of his series "Veronica Mars".
The show's head-honcho, Rob Thomas, tells TV Guide : "She plays a woman who comes into Mars Investigation and asks Keith to prove that her husband is cheating on her, and the two of them kind of hit it off. So Keith is really hoping he finds evidence that he's cheating."
Thomas says Giacomo's connection to Enrico played a big part in her casting. "I don't think she would have done it [otherwise]. She and Enrico are friends. When I saw her name on the list, I said, 'This would be awesome. Let's try to do this.' And I called Enrico first and said, 'Would you be cool with this?' And he was very excited about the idea."
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this is a really good show.
i just found out this show has an incest subplot.
that explains a lot.
did i mess up by watching the finale last night? i've been trying to watch some episodes, didn't know i was watching the ending/reveal.
Quote from: bigideas on September 13, 2006, 10:30:52 PM
did i mess up by watching the finale last night? i've been trying to watch some episodes, didn't know i was watching the ending/reveal.
well if you are planning to watch the rest of the season now... yes you messed up :)
the finale solves all the mysteries... and there are many!
*Spoiler Kinda*
Just finished season 2 last night and I have to say this is steve guttenburg at his most disturbing and sick. Mod, how far are they into the 3rd season. Hopefully not too bad that I can't catch up
i'm pretty sure there have been at least two new episodes so far
Ya just read the summary's online
CW picks up 'Mars
Net orders only 20 'Veronica' episodes this season
HOLLYWOOD -- There'll be a little bit less "Veronica Mars" on the CW.
Net has decided to order just 20 episodes of "Mars" this season vs. the standard 22 episodes for returning skeins. Decision was handed down late Thursday and confirmed Friday by the network.
CW only committed to 13 episodes of "Mars" last May when the net set its first-ever fall schedule. Its decision to add seven episodes to that order means the skein will live on -- but that prospects for a fourth season remain hazy if ratings don't pick up in the second half of the season.
Despite having a new and improved lead-in from ex-WB skein "Gilmore Girls," "Mars" has done little to improve its ratings this season, growing a scant 5% among the CW-friendly women 18-34 aud.
A fourth season of "Mars" is critical to producer Warner Bros. TV, since the studio needs to wrap a critical mass of episodes to ensure any sort of life for the show in syndication.
uhhh. is it bad that i watch this because i think veronica mars is the nards?
Quote from: A Matter Of Chance on November 24, 2006, 07:17:03 PM
uhhh. is it bad that i watch this because i think veronica mars is the nards?
I don't actually know what that means, but I feel safe in saying yes. Yes, that is bad.
Exclusive! Veronica Canceled
Source: E!Online
The day we've all dreaded has come, tubers.
With actual tears in my eyes, I must tell you that I've heard from several solid sources that the CW has decided not to bring Veronica Mars back for a fourth season.
Though official word has not yet come down from the network, I did hear from creator Rob Thomas earlier this week, who told me things weren't looking good: "I've never been less certain of our fate. I'm afraid I've gone from cautiously optimistic to something less than that."
DAMMIT! I'm too late. I just rented Season 1 disc 1 a couple of days ago and got hooked on the show.
well it was good while it lasted. well, actually it was good for 2 of the 3 seasons that it lasted so this is probably for the best. still sad though. kristen bell and jennifer garner need to revive their post-tv show careers together.
Her nickname isn't Wrongda for nothing. She's notorious for getting things wrong and jumping the gun. A modified statement, thankfully:
http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=75a31622-f0e6-4166-be21-798de6671716
So, I'd say a 33% chance it's getting axed. For me, I think it would be great to see a retooling of a show that's become a bit stale even in spite of its earlier fits of excellence. Flash forwarding to the future might be just what the show needs considering this year they've found it hard to properly incorporate all principal characters. Save Keith, Veronica, and Logan (and by extension Dick), and maybe Wallace, Mac, and Weevil, and shuffle everyone else in and out. See Veronica and Logan married (or divorced). Weevil's continued struggles to "do the right thing." Wallace as more than just a face in the crowd. It could work.
This really sucks... its really a smart, entertaining and original show... Rob Thomas said a while before that he was considering making some changes in the format, making episodes more standalone episodes like CSI instead of 8-12 episode arcs.
We'll see if they have a chance to come back... it would be a shame if it doesnt because the CW are fucking up big time... I mean its all about the ratings... and stupid people in this country make Pussycat Dolls and some other stupid shows have more ratings than VM and Lost... so what can we do
i thought i read somewhere - when i was trying to find out why it wasn't airing - that the Pussycat Dolls show was an 8 week thing and when that was over there would be a handful of episodes all with stand alone stories.
Idol is effing a lot of things up i think. all the shows i watch seem to either be temporarily off or airing reruns. Idol is my guess, although maybe this is the normal thing...idk.
bigideas - that is true, yes, there are five episodes of VM left after that show is over. They are standalones, as you've said, which, IMO, is a bad idea, detracting from the premise of the show.
reason why they did that in the first place is because the CW cut the order from 22 or 23 episodes to 20... Rob Thomas said he didnt think squeezing the storyline into less episodes would work and based on the ratings, he was going to try a different approach to try and save the show.
OK, I finally watched all of season 1. LOVE IT! Yet another show I wish I had gotten into when it first aired.
So does it jump the shark in seasons 2 or 3? I'm carefully avoiding most of this thread because I don't want to know anything about season 2 before I get to watch it.
Well, if you don't want to know anything about season 2, it's best that I don't say too much about whether it jumps the shark or not other than in my eyes, it hasn't. Season 2 is strong, but no season 1. That's all I'll say. Season 3 starts slow, then really picks up midway, and has made a few missteps here and there.
The few missteps I will say are quite egregious though. Season 4 is a big question mark right now; there are two different paths the show could take, or it could be cancelled altogether. Good to see you enjoy it. I too got into it late, last fall, and at the very least had something to look forward to every Tuesday all throughout season 3, so in that respect it's better than most other shows on TV.
The story line in season 1 was perfect, and it defines the show and its characters. After that, its hard to continue but I think they did a terrific job in season 2. I started watching the show also last year, and I watched seasons 1 and 2 almost all together, so I think I enjoyed them more than Season 3. In that, for me its kinda like 24, which I enjoyed a lot more when I watched it altogether on DVD.
Unfortunately the show always had struggles with the ratings, and after the CW was created they gave the show a last chance. Ratings did not improve, so now its uncertain what will happen. Its almost for sure that the show will not continue under its current format, as several of the regulars have signed on for new pilots or shows, but they are considering changing the format a little and keeping the best part: Kristen Bell.
Hope it does not end really, cause its one of the best shows on TV.
Saw a tv ad for the next new episode, airs May 1st.
The new episodes so far very good. There is great news apparenty because they pitched the new concept to renew VM for next season and apprarently the CW loved it. Also, because Gilmore Girls is over, they have room for it.
The new format would fast-forward into the future and Veronica now works for the FBI. They said it would be a funnier-cool-hip Silence of the Lambs (and hotter in my opinion). This also means most characters or all except Veronica would be gone.
'Veronica' on bubble watch
Thomas says death of show 'exaggerated'
Source: Variety
It may take a certain amount of time travel, but "Veronica Mars" could be back on the CW schedule for 2007-08, despite ongoing conventional wisdom suggesting otherwise.
"We're very much on the bubble," showrunner Rob Thomas said. "I will say that the reports of our demise have been exaggerated. We are very much in the hunt for a shot next year.
"I think I've read in every paper across the country -- USA Today declared us dead, the L.A. Times declared us dead. I don't think we're dead; I kind of like our chances."
Expected to combine with fellow female-skewing drama "Gilmore Girls" to be a lynchpin for the first-year network, "Veronica" has battled disappointing ratings (and even some weakness in its habitually stout support from critics) throughout its third season.
In its return from hiatus May 1, "Veronica" averaged 2.35 million viewers and retained 62% of its 18-34 lead-in from "Gilmore Girls" (1.3 vs. 2.1) -- down from its CW premiere in October, when it drew 3.37 million viewers and held 77% of its 18-34 lead-in from "Gilmore" (1.7 vs. 2.2).
The recent announcement that "Gilmore" will be gone for good after this season fed pessimistic projections for "Veronica," but Thomas wasn't folding his tent yet, and was even prepared to take a bold step into the future.
"We pitched them two different versions of the show," he said. "One with Veronica continuing in year two of college, and one in which we fast-forward four years and she's an FBI agent. I don't know which version they might order."
Reps from the CW and Warner Bros, which co-produces the show, declined to comment. The CW is scheduled to make its presentation at the upfronts in New York on May 17, which means that word on the fate of "Veronica" will come within a week.
"We tend to know a day or two early so we can put (series lead) Kristen Bell on a plane and get her out there," Thomas said.
The CW cancels `Veronica Mars'
The CW network canceled the cult hit "Veronica Mars" and will try to pick up steam in its second year with series about the snobby rich, transplanted families and a bounty hunter for the devil.
The network, created out of the ashes of the former WB and UPN, had already ended the long-running family dramas "7th Heaven" and "Gilmore Girls." On Thursday the ax fell on "Veronica Mars," which starred Kristen Bell as a wisecracking teenage private eye.
Corporate parents CBS Corp. and Time Warner Inc. had hoped the CW could become a fifth major network by combining the best of its predecessors, but it has often slipped behind Univision in the ratings during a disappointing first year.
The new "Gossip Girl," about a group of prep school teenagers in Manhattan, will be given the biggest push. The CW scheduled it for Wednesdays at 9 p.m. after its top-rated program, "America's Next Top Model."
The CW's only new comedy, "Aliens in America," is about a high school student trying to adjust to a Pakistani exchange student. "Life is Wild" is a drama about a New York City family spending a year at a game reserve in South Africa.
The new drama "Reaper" features one of the CW's oldest new characters: a 21-year-old. His parents sold his soul to the devil and he's assigned to track down evil escapees from hell.
On Sunday nights, the network will debut "The CW Now," an entertainment-oriented newsmagazine for 18-to-34-year-olds. "Online Nation" will talk about what's hot on the Web.
In midseason, the CW will bring on a reality show, "Farmer Wants a Wife," about a country guy choosing among 10 women fed up with big-city prospects.
Fox will also release its fall schedule on Thursday.
Quote from: MacGuffin on May 17, 2007, 11:47:03 AM
The new "Gossip Girl," about a group of prep school teenagers in Manhattan, will be given the biggest push. The CW scheduled it for Wednesdays at 9 p.m. after its top-rated program, "America's Next Top Model."
Fuckin 09-ers rule the world, man.
very dissapointing... one of the best shows on tv. i would like to learn more about licensing and non-compete for these shows, cause even if the cw doesnt want it, the show would be an easy pick for other networks... even cable ones... but its probably not easy.
that sucks.
on the other hand i guess i will have an extra hour to do something with my life.
As long as The Office keeps going.........and KOTH has been renewed again.
I thought the Pitchfork nod was funny. Doesn't seem like they mentioned it on the site at all, unless I missed it.
this season wasnt as good but i'm still really going to miss this show.
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:( i loved that woman.
She'll be back... but not as Veronica :(
Apparently she'll be narrating the new CW series Gossip Girl, but it was also reported that her and Rob Thomas are working on a new pilot for next season as well.
I had to tape the last two episodes and finally got around to watching them.
Were these really to be the season finales, or are there still some unaired eps?
It was left hanging, but not in a season finale hanging way........or maybe it's just me.
Thats what I thought... it kinda left a number of things open with the election, Logan, Piz, etc... but truth is that these were probably done before the time a final decision concerning the future of the series was made.
Hopefully its not the end of it...
It was announced as the "Season" finale, and I think they had plenty of time to change it since it was cancelled a couple days earlier.
Kristen Bell says 'Mars' was special
Kristen Bell acknowledges that it's tough to let go of Veronica Mars, the wisecracking teenage sleuth she portrayed for three seasons on the TV series of the same name.
"It feels sort of like graduating high school. You really only recognize how special it was once it's gone away," Bell said in an interview. "And of course everyone graduates from different jobs, then they move on, but I don't know I'll find as special a show ever again. I think I'm only truly realizing that now."
The CW canceled "Veronica Mars" May 17. It has until June 15 to decide to bring the show back at midseason.
Crushing news for Veronica Mars fans
Here's "Veronica Mars" creator Rob Thomas's email to TV Guide, today:
"I'm afraid I have to report that Veronica Mars is officially dead," he wrote. "At least in TV show form. There's really no way that it can happen now. I'm not sure the CW should've given the glimmer of hope. I think Dawn Ostroff genuinely would have liked to have continued on with a version of the show, but there was too much resistance around her. At the end of the day, it would've been kinder had the band aid simply been ripped off rather peeled away in than this agonizingly slow manner."
haha, jesus christ, this is like that bug in starship troopers.
'Veronica Mars' Flick Not Likely, Says Its Star
Source: MTV
She's Neptune's most promising P.I., but all of Veronica Mars' best detective skills won't be needed to solve the mystery of her own clouded future, star Kristen Bell insisted — an open and shut case of there, well, not actually being one.
"There is no future, unfortunately," Bell said. "Everybody's really, really sad to see it go, and we all just keep e-mailing each other. We're just missing everyone. [But] she has been laid to rest [and] may she rest in peace."
Since the series' abrupt cancellation at the end of last season, online scuttlebutt has rumored that there will one day be a "Veronica Mars" movie, possibly following Mars as she heads to the FBI. That's news to Bell, the 27-year-old actress declared.
"There's [rumored] talk of a movie one day. Maybe. Who knows?" she said, leaving open the possibility that a film version could eventually happen. "[But] we haven't even discussed it."
Not that she would be against doing one, of course, she said smiling. "Depends on how well I age," Bell laughed. "But I'd go wherever [the writers] took me. I think that they've always been utterly brilliant."
the bug in starship troopers that gets shot the fuck out of even after it's dead.
that's this show.
Veronica Mars: The Third Season will be released on DVD October 23rd 2007.
Looks like October is going to be an expensive month: Kubrick, The Hoax, The Tripper, You Kill Me, 28 weeks later, Coppola's Dracula, Entourage Season Part 1, Hostel 2, Days of Heaven, Twin Peaks, Breathless, and now Veronica Mars.
Quote from: SiliasRuby on August 18, 2007, 12:27:49 PM
Looks like October is going to be an expensive month: Kubrick, The Hoax, The Tripper, You Kill Me, 28 weeks later, Coppola's Dracula, Entourage Season Part 1, Hostel 2, Days of Heaven, Twin Peaks, Breathless, and now Veronica Mars.
what? that's not too bad.
BIG SCOOP! CREATOR ROB THOMAS CONFIRMS 'VERONICA MARS' MOVIE
He will write the script, Kristen Bell will star and Joel Silver will produce
THE SKINNY: At the tail end of this winter's television critic's event, Rob Thomas, who has resurrected his 1998 TV series CUPID for another go-around on ABC, announced that he's currently working on a VERONICA MARS feature film (based on his short-lived UPN/CW show), now that his new series order has been reduced from thirteen episodes to eight episodes.
"That means I have time to write the VERONICA MARS movie," he says. "But my writing the movie is half the battle. Someone else has to pay for it. Joel Silver does have a certain pile of money. He called on me saying 'Can we do this now?' Kristen wants to do it. Joel wants to do it and I want to do it. For me, that's the next project."
Although he wouldn't reveal exactly what the story would be, he did tell iF, "it's 70 percent broken in my head."
"I've been struggling with this one plot point and I'm hopeful to figure that out," he adds. "I watched the final episode of the series a few weeks ago and there were a lot of gaps and the plotting for the original came to me. I mean for the movie, I'm feeling like I'm on the right track now. But I don't want to give that away yet.
In terms of cast, Thomas says he's talked with Jason Dohring, Enrico Colantoni and Kristen Bell.
"Obviously," he says with a smile.
And while there were always talks of the character of Veronica Mars ending up at the F.B.I., he says that's not where the movie will be heading.
"The one thing that I will say is where it will pick up," says Thomas. "I know we did that F.B.I. 'what if' thing, but we would not go to that place. I think it would open just days before the Hearst College Graduation. So Veronica would be sort of at the end of her college career.
Quote from: MacGuffin on January 19, 2009, 04:56:32 PM
BIG SCOOP! CREATOR ROB THOMAS CONFIRMS 'VERONICA MARS' MOVIE
THE SKINNY: At the tail end of this winter's television critic's event, Rob Thomas, who has resurrected his 1998 TV series CUPID for another go-around on ABC, announced that he's currently working on a VERONICA MARS feature film
"I've had two semi-good ideas my whole career. I'm just going to keep on rehashing them until someone stops me. Then I'll go find a black actor to pair with another ethnic actor and make big movies for big bucks," says Thomas.
:yabbse-shocked:
http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/03/13/veronica-mars-movie-kristen-bell-kickstarter
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/559914737/the-veronica-mars-movie-project
It's happening. The first day, and it's already got >$200,000 towards its $2,000,000 goal.
Made a sizable contribution. I want this!
Don't you have anything better to do with your money?! I don't understand kickstarter/people/anything.
It's a win/win situation. Did you read the sidebar? People can choose how much to donate and they get back a part of the project based on how much they contribute. Seems like a pretty good deal to me, especially for anyone who is a big fan of X project.
I never fail to be impressed by how effectively Kickstarter has succeeded at monetizing young-adult nostalgia.
'Veronica Mars' Movie Zooms Past $2M Kickstarter Goal In 10 Hours; Aiming For Summer Shoot
It took just 10 hours for Rob Thomas and Kristen Bell's Veronica Mars movie to zoom past its Kickstarter goal of $2 million, with a full 30 days to go to raise additional cash on the crowdfunding site. That's testament to the power of a cult fandom to rally behind a property, even if some are wary of the precedent it sets for studios entering (and profiting from) the crowdfunding space. Now the ball's in Warner Bros.' court to pitch in as Thomas eyes a summer start. I'm told the extent of WB's involvement thus far will be aiding with distribution, marketing, publicity and legal via Warner Bros. Digital Distribution.
it's gonna be so funny when the movie turns out to be a piece of shit.
I still don't like where this is going. So not only do I have to pay $13 to see a movie, I have to pay to get it made now? I understand kickstarter if I'm contributing money to P's first feature but Veronica Mars is a studio entity. We're forced to pony up dough because Warner Bros. is too cheap to spare $2 million dollars? I guess it makes sense for more risqué projects that have no chance in the studio system. I just fear we're not too far away from Marvel demanding that kickstarter funds Robert Downey Jr's salary increase for Iron Man 14.
I think you're looking at things all wrong. I want to live in a world where the gatekeepers don't get to decide when they can take something away from us. Imagine a world where "Twin Peaks" wasn't cancelled, or "Freaks & Geeks." A future where creators have a little more control over what happens to their vision and they're only licensing them to the networks. If the network chooses not to air it, they can take it elsewhere: another network, Netflix, digital.
I watched VM back in the day (and raved about it in this thread!) but still didn't really have much interest seeing it resurrected at this point. (Too much time has passed and I think the format works better as a series than it could ever work as a 2 hour film.) But I donated anyway because I want to live in a world where we get to decide what we want to watch. WB wasn't going to make it. And now it's getting made. And I think that's worth my $10.
As far as all the "couldn't we be donating to worthwhile charities instead?" talk, yes of course. Every time we spend a dollar on anything other than food and shelter that money could be going to charity instead.
I'm not one of those who is complaining about charities, and when used by people who really need it, Kickstarter makes total sense to me. When a huge corporation like Warner Bros. use it, and famous and successful people who already have connections in Hollywood use it, it just rubs me the wrong way. But what do I know. Enjoy the movie I guess. I highly doubt kick starter could ever raise enough funds to keep a television show like Freaks & Geeks on air, and I definitely would never give a major studio anymore money than I already do, even if it was to save a show I'm obsessed with like Breaking Bad. But that's me.
I'm not sure I have much interest in watching the movie (as anything other than a curio) but I don't think this was WB's idea to make a bunch of money. They were literally NEVER going to make this show and the creators just would not let it go.
What's Really Fueling the Veronica Mars Frenzy (http://www.vulture.com/2013/03/veronica-mars-kickstarter-and-tv-nostalgia.html)
Source: NYMAG
It only took eleven hours for Veronica Mars fans to collectively bid the $2 million on Kickstarter that would get a movie sequel made to Kristen Bell's defunct WB show: While Warner Bros. would pay for distribution and marketing, the contributions would be funding all of the production costs. Yesterday, it became the fastest Kickstarter project to hit $1 million (doing so in just under four and a half hours), cementing hopes that, after more moderate success for original projects like Charlie Kaufman's stop-motion film ($406,000) or Amanda Palmer's Theatre Is Evil ($1.2 million), the site was now officially a viable power-to-the-people tool that could wrest decisions and creative dilution from micromanaging Hollywood executives. However, before proclaiming a new dawn in which studios and music labels atrophy as decisions are completely commandeered by artists and audiences, it's important to point out that Veronica Mars is a very specific case. It crosses the streams of the Internet's two most powerful by-products: overpowering nostalgia and impatience.
It may seem strange to call love of Veronica Mars "nostalgia," since it only went off the air six years ago, but the window between pop-culture farewells and moony, idyllic remembrance has shrunk so much that the lag between sign-offs and sanctification is about eight months, depending on the number of catchphrases the show in question spawned. Just as online comments sections are now forums for people to voice the most polemic versions of their own beliefs, so too has the internet escalated people's public and mutually enabled love of the past, be it from their childhood or last year. Old shows aren't great, they're the best show in the world ever! (See comments from fans of losing shows in our Sitcom Smackdown: The anger was so vitriolic that you would think the match had been "Tuna sandwich versus Your Beloved Grandmother. Winner: tuna sandwich!")
Fans want their favorite shows to come back with a passion that goes past bemused fantasizing. The increasing occurrence of cult shows or long-dormant franchises returning from the dead (Family Guy, Arrested Development, Star Wars, Indiana Jones) has made pop-culture reincarnation a truth. Get the grass rooted, and it'll happen: Get us more Pushing Daisies, Deadwood, Gilmore Girls! And as a result, fans get all the more engaged in the quest, to the point where they'll chip in to make it happen if they have to. They are as desperate as if they were addicts suffering the D.T.'s: They were entwined with these shows, deeply invested in the story that was abruptly cut off.
But if Veronica Mars creator Rob Thomas and Kristen Bell announced they were collaborating on an unrelated project, the donations would be far less. It's the difference between telling someone "Give me $100 to try cocaine for the first time" and "Give me $100 for more cocaine." Yes, artists with devoted fans will always be able to rally them to open their wallets for new, interesting work. But these same artists will get their acolytes to empty their bank accounts if they promise more of something familiar. Put another way: Had Martin Scorsese tried to crowd-fund his upcoming movie Wolf of Wall Street, he would have made a scrappy indie. But if he put Goodfellas 2 up on Kickstarter, he might raise enough to set it in space.
Fans of defunct TV shows have been empowered by their previous successes. ("You won't give me more Bluth family, Fox? Fine, we'll take that shit to Netflix and then you'll be sorry! Don't worry, we'll visit you and the rest of network TV in the retirement home, where you'll be playing pinochle in the common room with an old Betamax and the cast of Silk Stalkings!") But it's more than that: A generation accustomed to streaming what it wants when it wants, and being able to instantly summon and binge-watch entire seasons in a week, gets agitated when "more" is out of reach. It seems irrational that you can't have more; it's as if the timeline has stalled. Where is the button that teleports all the actors back onto my screen and makes them act out new stories? We've already done away with all the other limits of time and space (screw you, TV schedule), so why have we suddenly hit a wall? So when someone gives us an option to get more, the reaction is "Finally! Yes, take what you need, just get this going again!"
A debate has ensued about whether it's ridiculous for fans to have to pay twice (lower-tier donors don't get the free DVD or digital version) to subsidize a movie that a major studio stands to profit from. But realistically, the studio is not likely to make much of a profit on a Veronica Mars movie. The 43,000-plus donators (as of Thursday at noon) do not necessarily portend huge numbers at the box office, even if they all bring three friends. (When Fox capitulated to the constant stomping for a Firefly movie and made Joss Whedon's Serenity for $39 million, it only brought in $26 million in the U.S.)
Internet nostalgia is a double-edged sword. The very escalating group pining that happens in relation to old projects does not necessarily mean they want to see more; as Matt Zoller Seitz wrote, beloved shows should remain dead. Nostalgia is grasping for the impossible: You don't want more of what you remember fondly; you want to be back at the time when you enjoyed it, which is an impossibility. Fervent campaigning for more, more, more is really a rally for time to move backward. The disappointment of the Star Wars prequels wasn't entirely the fault of the subpar movies, it's that adults would never be able to see them with the same wonderment that they did when they were kids and played Luke and Han in their backyards. It was fun to beg for more Indiana Jones adventures, but Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was unsettling: Old Indiana Jones? We're old — I don't want to be reminded of that! Make him young; make us young! Witness the mass mind-losing over Girl Meets World. Once the thrill fades of first seeing the old Boy Meets World faces reunite, will there be any reward to seeing them deliver TGIF-caliber humor? And if it suddenly becomes smart, adult comedy, wouldn't that feel just as wrong?
But no matter history; the prospect of any old show returning is always greeted with prayers-are-answered hosannahs and a just tell us what we have to do battle stance. Ponce de León never faltered in his quest for the Fountain of Youth; Kickstarter is our path to that magical oasis.
Just found out that every episode of this show is available to watch for free here (http://www.thewb.com/shows/veronica-mars). I never saw it, but might start binging. Thanks for sharing that article, ©brad.