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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #255 on: May 03, 2018, 04:22:59 PM »
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1. During the fireside chat (“. . . you will lose.”) Alma is associated visually with alcohol. Later, the pair kiss before a window advertising “ALES & STOUTS”.

2. When mother appears, an open door is visible, leading to a “world” of clothes. A labyrinth? (Soon Alma “invades” this “world”, at which point the mother vanishes.)

3. “It’s as simple as that.” A significant use of an ordinary phrase: fine writing.

4. Shakespeare employed the word “sour” 35 times in 20 plays. Julius Caesar, 1.2 : “sour fashion”; Richard II, 5.6: “sour melancholy”; Romeo and Juliet, 5.3: “sour misfortune’s book”. . . .

5. New Year’s sketch: notably detailed. (All work and no play . . . ?)

6a. The excess of butter: “This was the most unkindest cut of all.” (Julius Caesar, 3.2)

6b. Her smile just after: full-spectrum psychotic: Norman Bates’s final smile?

6c.  . . . and the rainbow lens flare. (“Where the rainbow ends?”)

7. The last shot is neither the future nor the present, but the past: back to the set-up of 34:32.

8. Alma’s last gesture: “shrugging her shoulders”: a sick joke, a perverse twist on the romantic comedy and screwball genres: “Oh, I’m just a plain old psychotic, me.”

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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #256 on: May 05, 2018, 04:12:46 AM »
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ALMA

1. A spider and her web: watch the window behind her in the marriage proposal scene.

2. She leaves Cyril's office and leaves the door open -- Alma's character in a nutshell.

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3. The automobile camera rig recalls the big wheel camera rig in the hacked-up Grady sisters scene.

4a. New Year's Eve: The lovers gazing wordlessly into each other's eyes for a significant duration recalls (doesn't it?) the first kiss between Redmond Barry and Lady Lyndon.

4b. The dancing scene is crucial for PT to sustain its 1930s screwball undercurrent. Name any fifty lighthearted movies from the 1930s, and most likely 49 of them, if not all 50, will have a dancing scene!

5. Is it just semantics, or -- going on the visual evidence of Woodcock's suggestive comportment -- does it seem as if Woodcock is surrounding himself by, rather than simply getting into, his trousers?

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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #257 on: May 07, 2018, 10:16:08 AM »
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tid bit: last viewing I noticed a boom mic moving in the reflection of a picture frame while He tells Alma about the Black Death.

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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #258 on: May 08, 2018, 06:44:44 AM »
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Great discovery, HACKANUT!

Isn’t that picture beautiful? The “look” is an artful example of fashion genre-splice.

Q: Is the figure draped in at least five different elements of fashion?

1. A jacket with lapels. It looks as if the jacket, theoretically made of wool or of a cotton-wool blend, has no corresponding sleeves.
 
2. The figure's arms look as if they are covered with sleeves of a loose transparent material (e.g., sheer mesh)—(sleeves from a garment different from the jacket).

3. Starting just above the waistline: a glamorous gown-type piece, with the sweep moving both horizontally and vertically. The look of the material suggests, say, blue silk taffeta. (It is notable that this gown-type section looks to be positioned over the jacket.)

4. The billowy skirt, not colored, looks to be of light, airy material, possibly chiffon.

5. It looks as if, under the jacket, there is a simple shirt.

Extra reflection: Most generally, the line drawing itself has (to me at least) an Ancient Greek mood to it (i.e., the simple, elegant strokes.)

Notes (numbers correspond to the above):

1. Sleeveless lapel jackets were popularised by YSL in, for example, his infamous 1971 collection.

2. Sheer mesh recalls, initially (to me), YSL, this time of the late 1960s.

3. Gown-type piece over the jacket: An unconventional look, but far from unheard-of; a photograph from the new advertising campaign of Prada, for one example of many, features a corset-like bodice piece positioned over a button-down shirt: a juxtaposition of not only two different, clashing elements of clothing, but also of two different, clashing types of fabrics.

4a. Terminology: the waist-down part of a dress is referred to as “the skirt”.

4b. Because the hem looks rounded, the skirt's material will most likely be neither sheer mesh nor tulle.

And regarding the mood of Ancient Greece: To name three examples of many: YSL has Ancient Greece–inspired gowns in his infamous 1971 collection; McQueen has Ancient Greece–inspired looks in “Pantheon” and "Neptune"; and then, very famously, the Delphos gowns of Fortuny.

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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #259 on: May 10, 2018, 03:34:11 PM »
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In the charming I Met Him in Paris (1937), Claudette Colbert delivers the line, "You old so and so"  -- while in the mountains of Switzerland.

 

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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #260 on: May 10, 2018, 05:12:42 PM »
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Personally that reminded me of the lyrics in Jon Brion's "Here We Go"...

Because someone can say, "Hello
You old so and so, here we go"


"So and so" is used in other PTA movies too. Does anyone remember?
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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #261 on: May 10, 2018, 05:23:40 PM »
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"Someone's so and so meets someone else's so and so and so on..."
"Do you laugh at jealousy?"

"No, I don't even laugh at seasickness! I happen to regard jealousy as the seasickness of passion."

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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #262 on: May 14, 2018, 11:55:59 AM »
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"staring contest . . . you will lose."

Two sides of her character:

1. Aggressive one-upsmanship.
2. A compliment (he is attractive to her, easy on the eyes).
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3. A meta-moment: PT will outlast us. (EWS: "You haven't changed a bit." "Thanks . . . I think.")

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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #263 on: May 16, 2018, 09:10:54 PM »
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When I interviewed Paul Thomas Anderson about Lesley Manville [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/theater/lesley-manville-long-days-journey-into-night.html] I snuck in an unrelated Phantom Thread question I have wondered about since I saw the film: IS ALMA JEWISH? His answer: "A-HA. YES."

https://twitter.com/amandahess/status/996744143794778112

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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #264 on: May 17, 2018, 09:11:42 AM »
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Family resemblance?

Chanel S/S 2015 Couture

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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #265 on: May 18, 2018, 12:09:48 AM »
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Confirmation that Alma was Jewish.
"Trying to fit in since 2017."

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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #266 on: Today at 04:05:13 AM »
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Family resemblance?

Framing agitation.

 

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