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Re: Eyes Wide Shut
« Reply #105 on: May 24, 2005, 07:46:48 PM »
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i recall the budget was around 55-60 mil  - i know tom cruise ate up 20 of that number.

they did shoot a couple establishing shots in NYC - most notably the exterior of Dr.Bill's apt on what looks to be central park west in NY.
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Re: Eyes Wide Shut
« Reply #106 on: May 24, 2005, 07:53:11 PM »
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isn't one of the translations of the title 'dream novel'?

it's the only proper translation.

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they did shoot a couple establishing shots in NYC - most notably the exterior of Dr.Bill's apt on what looks to be central park west in NY.

yes. but just so flagpole doesn't get confused, that would be 2nd unit photography. kubrick wasn't there.
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Re: Eyes Wide Shut
« Reply #107 on: May 24, 2005, 08:37:21 PM »
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another question.
milichs daughter. i read once that milich was aware of what his daughter was doing with the asian man but because bill was with him he acted disgusted and angry. does anyone agree with that? the fact which supports this arguement is that the asian man knows milichs name and says something like 'but mr milich the young girl invited us here' is that what is really going on? cos i don't see it that way at all. if it were true he wouldn't take bill into the shop in the first place. and b, milich is the one that says 'did you hear that?'..'what is this, what is this?' or whatever. milich draws attention to it.

milich wanted to make bill aware that his daughter is a whore, so that the next day he could whore her out and bill would get the idea of what he was saying..
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Re: Eyes Wide Shut
« Reply #108 on: May 24, 2005, 08:53:09 PM »
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I saw it differently. To me, it seemed as if Milich was actually surprised and angered at first, and the next day he had gone 180 and realized that his daughters promiscuity could be profitable. If he had known about it, it seems like a bad way to sell his daughter to Dr. Bill. I think that if he drastically changed his mind, it's hard to take and believe, but more fucked up.

Also, I love how she whispers that line. What is it, something about getting the cloak lined in maulin? Or some fabric? I might've made that word up. But it's so inaudible, I thought it was some really important line. The question that always arose in my mind is, does she know about the orgy and that's a certain requirement for the cloak? I like to think so.
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Re: Eyes Wide Shut
« Reply #109 on: May 24, 2005, 09:04:55 PM »
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Also, I love how she whispers that line. What is it, something about getting the cloak lined in maulin?

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Re: Eyes Wide Shut
« Reply #110 on: May 24, 2005, 09:11:10 PM »
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i agree with pubricks assesment.

if i remember correctly the asain man says something to the effect of " But mr. melich, you brought us here!"
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Re: Eyes Wide Shut
« Reply #111 on: May 24, 2005, 09:12:12 PM »
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'you should get a cloak lined with ermine'

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Re: Eyes Wide Shut
« Reply #112 on: May 24, 2005, 10:04:15 PM »
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Hmm I will go watch those scenes again.
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Re: Eyes Wide Shut
« Reply #113 on: May 24, 2005, 10:11:48 PM »
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i just did.

while the asians don't directly say to milich that he brought them there himself, one of them does talk to him as if he already knew. there is a "deranged" reference towards the girl, and this is kind of validated by the retarded way she smiles when she comes up behind bill.

maybe milich didn't intend to bring his daughter's whoredom to bill's attention. but he couldn't ignore the loud *thump* that was heard when they were in the back room. so like any opportunist, he woulda figured out quickly that he had himself another customer keen for a root.
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Re: Eyes Wide Shut
« Reply #114 on: May 24, 2005, 10:35:02 PM »
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I think Milich is aware of his daughter's behavior, but didn't know she was in the back room with the two men at the time. It's an embarrasment because it's interfering with his "legitimate business" with Tom. He calls his daughter "deranged" as an excuse, but then realizes that Tom might want in on the action. At first, I thought Milich gave into the two men because of $, but now I think he had been pandering his daughter from the very beginning.

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Re: Eyes Wide Shut
« Reply #115 on: May 25, 2005, 01:25:41 AM »
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meatball, I think I agree with you 100%
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Re: Eyes Wide Shut
« Reply #116 on: May 25, 2005, 09:17:26 AM »
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does anyone have the screenplay? maybe in the notes there's something. eg. there is a thud milich walks over to see what it is...sees his daughter acts surprised. etcetc.

i wanna get the novel and the screenplay

i see the novel and screenplay as no more than curios.

i'm basing that on the only version of the script i've read, which might be an early version http://www.godamongdirectors.com/scripts/eyeswshu.htm

it's mostly ridiculous, including a bizarre VOICE OVER, but remains more faithful to the book than the final product.

looking to the book, or to the script for meaning in the FILM is a pointless task. they are all separate entities with individual (sumtimes opposed) intentions. for example, the book and script don't even begin to approach the darkness found in the movie. the only thing that can be found in such a comparison are the similar plot machinations, sum lines which have been cut or altered, or scenes added, truncated, and altogether invented at the shooting stage. all of which, while interesting to consider, are not actually the point of the movie.

i often wonder why kubrick even asked others to adapt movies for him, when he clearly had the most perfect ideas already in his mind. it's like he just needed a skeleton to dress. that's pretty much all u get from the script and the book.
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Re: Eyes Wide Shut
« Reply #117 on: May 25, 2005, 02:08:15 PM »
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I see it like this:

When Dr. Bill first shows up, Milich (like P said) couldn't ignore the knock, so he brought it up.  
He then flipped out to try and cover for what was going on (Bill's a Doctor, he seems cool cuz he's pickin up a costume at night, but he could narc on him none-the-less).
The world that Bill enters at that point is somehow connected with Millich (maybe when they're not having psycho-sex-parties, some of these guys get in on the young-girl action) and Milich finds out that Bill was at the party and decides that he must be a regular sicko like the others so he decides to pimp out his daughter... he's basically letting the Doc know that he's one of them now, which creeps Bill out.

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Re: Eyes Wide Shut
« Reply #118 on: May 25, 2005, 04:06:58 PM »
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I see it like this:

When Dr. Bill first shows up, Milich (like P said) couldn't ignore the knock, so he brought it up.  
He then flipped out to try and cover for what was going on (Bill's a Doctor, he seems cool cuz he's pickin up a costume at night, but he could narc on him none-the-less).
The world that Bill enters at that point is somehow connected with Millich (maybe when they're not having psycho-sex-parties, some of these guys get in on the young-girl action) and Milich finds out that Bill was at the party and decides that he must be a regular sicko like the others so he decides to pimp out his daughter... he's basically letting the Doc know that he's one of them now, which creeps Bill out.


thats a very interesting thought - i thought similar things at times but never fully explored them.

Milich does seem very intrigued and almost has a change of tone when Bill asks for a black cloak with a hood and a mask - Milich almost seems to catch on to what Bill is involved with - further more, all of the party patrons seem to have the exact same cloak that Bill has. Even the hookers mask that warns him is almost the same as Bill's mask - whether this was done as a matter of design consistancy/stylization or it was actually hinting to the fact that millich could very well supply the costumes for such parties.

taking the latter into the consideration greatly changes the dynamic of Dr. Bill and Millich's correspondance.

very interesting
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Re: Eyes Wide Shut
« Reply #119 on: May 25, 2005, 06:59:28 PM »
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did kubrick write anything himself for eyes wide shut? i don't know. maybe his writing credit is basically for his work as writing editor.

he's cowritten and rewritten every movie he's done. as evidenced in the making-of-the-shining doco, he keeps writing to the last moment. he also adapted Clockworange and Barryndon himself. the final scene of EWS is not on the script or in the book. which leads me to believe that he made that up at the shooting stage. along with many other scenes.

he was a formidable writer.
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