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Reply #480 on: March 24, 2020, 11:37:14 PM
After sort of being pro-cancel culture, I've come to realize there are a lot of problems with it (especially cancel campaigns). I think what finally convinced me was the Contrapoints video.

So I think "canceling" is a personal decision. Maybe (as I do) you believe you know enough about Woody Allen that you are not remotely interested in reading his book. Or maybe you have reasons for still seeking value in what he says. I get it.
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Reply #481 on: March 24, 2020, 11:50:58 PM
I don't believe Allen is cancelled. He's treated as a king in France. He can self-publish all his thoughts.The workers at Hachette made a strike, they're in their rights to be against publishing Allen, especially when the person has a contract based on his fame. We don't know the names of all the cancelled writers.
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Reply #482 on: March 24, 2020, 11:54:16 PM
It was workers at Little, Brown and Company, which is an imprint of Hachette

Iíve never been a Woody Allen fan and one time my friend tried to give me one of his books but I wouldnít take it, which was awkward and before cancel culture


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Reply #483 on: March 25, 2020, 12:16:39 AM
Good lord, the excerpts I've read are so poorly written.


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Reply #484 on: March 25, 2020, 09:32:22 AM
Currently #1 on Amazon  :yabbse-grin:
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Reply #485 on: March 25, 2020, 11:33:15 AM
itís #1 in its category, which still has easy riders raging bulls at #4 to put that into perspective


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Reply #486 on: March 25, 2020, 04:00:36 PM
Eh I think cancel culture is largely a myth.  The subtext behind people, comedians especially, who whine about it are really saying 'why can't I say the bigoted racist ignorant bullshit I used say with impunity.'

The very few instances of people legitimately being canceled (i.e. Weinstein) fucking deserve it.   



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Reply #487 on: March 25, 2020, 04:10:40 PM
If that's a real quote, then Allen wrote this thing in two weeks with his iPhone:


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Reply #488 on: March 25, 2020, 04:24:55 PM
He probably spoke the damn thing into his iPhone then transcribed it directly.

Whatever, he hasn't been artistically relevant (to me) in 20 years.
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Reply #489 on: March 25, 2020, 10:22:38 PM
Yeah, the last Allen film I actually enjoyed was probably in the early-to-mid 90s.   I must say, though, that son Moses' take on The Scandal (above) has made me question taking every assertion every time as unwavering truth.  There seems to be plentiful evidence that Woody has a "thing" for (very) young woman, but he's certainly not unique in that regard (Chaplin being the one that comes to mind immediately).  Doesn't excuse any inappropriate behavior, etc, etc.   
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Reply #490 on: March 26, 2020, 12:21:17 AM
I find Moses' take to be the more credible one, but we'll likely never know what really happened. If he's guilty, fuck him; if not, well, what's the point now anyway.

The films of his that mattered to me still matter, and the rest: I just don't care. He oughta just let himself fade away.
If I could move the night I would
And I would turn the world around if I could
There's nothing wrong with loving something you can't hold in your hand
You're sitting on the edge of the bed, smoking and shaking your head
Well there's nothing wrong with loving things that cannot even stand
Well there goes your moony man
With his suitcase in his hand
Every road is lined with animals
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Well the moon won't get a wink of sleep
If I stay all night and talk


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Reply #491 on: March 26, 2020, 12:33:32 AM
The difference between Allen and other great directors is that in-between the good ones he makes 5-6 bad ones.


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Reply #492 on: March 26, 2020, 08:16:30 AM
He probably spoke the damn thing into his iPhone then transcribed it directly.

I'm almost certain that he dictated a chapter every night while soaking in a bubble bath and sipping a martini, then had a secretary transcribe it to put the punctuation in the correct place.
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Reply #493 on: March 26, 2020, 09:37:04 AM
The difference between Allen and other great directors is that in-between the good ones he makes 5-6 bad ones.

I think his run from the early 70s to basically 2000 is pretty damn remarkable, packed full of good-great films (admittedly, haven't seen many of them in some time) with only a handful of duds along the way. After that he pretty much goes to shit, every few years grinding out some half-competent retread of a past glory amidst a blizzard of general garbage that gets unanimously overpraised for, I don't know, sentimental reasons I suppose.

I was a huge fan growing up. Still love many of his films, yet don't really feel a need to revisit most of them these days because I want my memories to remain fond.

Still gonna read the book.
If I could move the night I would
And I would turn the world around if I could
There's nothing wrong with loving something you can't hold in your hand
You're sitting on the edge of the bed, smoking and shaking your head
Well there's nothing wrong with loving things that cannot even stand
Well there goes your moony man
With his suitcase in his hand
Every road is lined with animals
That rise from their blood and walk
Well the moon won't get a wink of sleep
If I stay all night and talk


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Reply #494 on: March 26, 2020, 06:19:06 PM
Eh I think cancel culture is largely a myth.  The subtext behind people, comedians especially, who whine about it are really saying 'why can't I say the bigoted racist ignorant bullshit I used say with impunity.'

The very few instances of people legitimately being canceled (i.e. Weinstein) fucking deserve it.

Perhaps I hang around people that aren't as open-minded as you, after all, I do reside in the mid-west, but I cannot imagine a scenario in which I could defend his films or his film career to one of my peers. Not saying I feel persecuted or anything, but the times in which I've tried to bring up Ronan's account, etc, it was not met well. I'm not sure how far and wide this goes, simply telling you this is my experience regarding Allen and his work.

Also, with this in mind, I'm wondering if you think the pendulum has leveled out/centered with regards to "cancel culture," because based on what I just said about Allen, it seems to me that we're still waiting for it to level out. Some people out there still think Louis CK is basically Harvey Weinstein. I think getting into the nitty-gritty of nuance is where this all heads and it is important to note that a lifetime/life lived is full of nuance.
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