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« on: March 19, 2003, 10:41:39 PM »
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I think Lars Von Trier deserves his own category here. He is one of the most unique filmmakers working today. His work is very dense and intriguing and deserves close scrutiny and discussion. Emily Watson in Punch Drunk vs. Breaking the Waves? PT Anderson has agreed that it was the film, her debut, where he first took notice. Nothing is wasted in his films, everything is important and everything crucial.

How original was The Idiots?

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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2003, 11:20:10 PM »
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that's agreed.  i loved DANCER IN THE DARK.  in fact i just bought the dvd the other day, i'm letting my buddy borrow it cuz he's never seen it.  good film.  rock!
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2003, 07:04:15 AM »
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Of course Breaking the Waves would be the first movie PTA took notice of her, because it was her first film.

I've only seen his last two films, but I wish he would get away from the Dogme 95 influence and understand that it is doing him no good at all. Realism and emotion can be shown in a much better way than just have a shaky camera and bad lighting all the time. Dogme 95 has no understanding at all of how to show realistic emotion in a movie.

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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2003, 11:20:49 AM »
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Quote from: The Gold Trumpet

I've only seen his last two films, but I wish he would get away from the Dogme 95 influence and understand that it is doing him no good at all. Realism and emotion can be shown in a much better way than just have a shaky camera and bad lighting all the time. Dogme 95 has no understanding at all of how to show realistic emotion in a movie.

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There are many people who find these films to be among the most devitstating works of art they have ever experienced.  Maybe you should learn to realize that just because you can't accept something doesn't mean it's not working...

(btw, I'm not a big fan of either of these movies, but there is no denying their effectiveness)

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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2003, 11:39:18 AM »
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hah, my opinion.  This is a discussion board, right? i didn't  say anyone who likes the movie is terribe, just that they don't work. Should I say "in my opinon" before everything I say or tell you to understand the obvious?

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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2003, 11:49:27 AM »
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the Dogme 95 influence



can someone explain this to me?
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2003, 12:05:54 PM »
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hah, my opinion.  This is a discussion board, right? i didn't  say anyone who likes the movie is terribe, just that they don't work. Should I say "in my opinon" before everything I say or tell you to understand the obvious?


I believe we have had this discussion before so please don't bring it up. It's boring and pointless.

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the Dogme 95 influence



can someone explain this to me?


I believe Trier shot on DV long before the dogme concept was born. And wasn't it Trier who gave birth to the dogme ideals? Trier Influenced dogme 95. Not the other way around.

I agree that Dancer didn't work completely at times though. To me, it tended  to get a little bit boring.

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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2003, 12:14:23 PM »
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Quote from: Adam0199
I think Lars Von Trier deserves his own category here.


I agree. Trier is brilliant :-D

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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2003, 12:51:16 PM »
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the Dogme 95 influence

can someone explain this to me?

 
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"I swear to submit to the following set of rules drawn up and confirmed by DOGME 95:

1. Shooting must be done on location. Props and sets must not be brought in (if a particular prop is necessary for the story, a location must be chosen where this prop is to be found).

2. The sound must never be produced apart from the images or vice versa. (Music must not be used unless it occurs where the scene is being shot).
 
3. The camera must be hand-held. Any movement or immobility attainable in the hand is permitted. (The film must not take place where the camera is standing; shooting must take place where the film takes place).
 
4. The film must be in colour. Special lighting is not acceptable. (If there is too little light for exposure the scene must be cut or a single lamp be attached to the camera).
 
5. Optical work and filters are forbidden.

6. The film must not contain superficial action. (Murders, weapons, etc. must not occur.)

7. Temporal and geographical alienation are forbidden. (That is to say that the film takes place here and now.)

8. Genre movies are not acceptable.

9. The film format must be Academy 35 mm.

10. The director must not be credited.

Furthermore I swear as a director to refrain from personal taste! I am no longer an artist. I swear to refrain from creating a "work", as I regard the instant as more important than the whole. My supreme goal is to force the truth out of my characters and settings. I swear to do so by all the means available and at the cost of any good taste and any aesthetic considerations.
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2003, 12:54:10 PM »
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Quote from: Phil Marlowe


Quote from: rudieob
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
the Dogme 95 influence



can someone explain this to me?


I believe Trier shot on DV long before the dogme concept was born. And wasn't it Trier who gave birth to the dogme ideals? Trier Influenced dogme 95. Not the other way around.

I agree that Dancer didn't work completely at times though. To me, it tended  to get a little bit boring.


ummm...  i don't think you've answered my question.  what is dogme 95?
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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2003, 12:54:50 PM »
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Quote from: Phil Marlowe


Quote from: rudieob
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
the Dogme 95 influence



can someone explain this to me?


I believe Trier shot on DV long before the dogme concept was born. And wasn't it Trier who gave birth to the dogme ideals? Trier Influenced dogme 95. Not the other way around.

I agree that Dancer didn't work completely at times though. To me, it tended  to get a little bit boring.


ummm...  i don't think you've answered my question.  what is dogme 95?


nevermind.
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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2003, 10:35:02 PM »
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i find the dogme 95 rules interesting, and respect the reason for its existence. but again, i feel that in filmmaking there are no rules. i would like to make a film some day breaking all of the dogme rules. i dont think the result would be a more "mainstream" film, au contraire

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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2003, 03:26:52 PM »
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i find the dogme 95 rules interesting, and respect the reason for its existence. but again, i feel that in filmmaking there are no rules. i would like to make a film some day breaking all of the dogme rules. i dont think the result would be a more "mainstream" film, au contraire


Most films break all the dogme rules and I believe the rules that were set were supposed to be ironic.

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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2003, 03:35:08 PM »
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Most films break all the dogme rules


i meant to purposefully break the rules. for example, the hand held rule. well the camera would be on a tripod, but the viewer would be aware that a tripod is being used (the scene is happening as the camera is being screwed on, during the scene the cameraman picks up the tripod, takes a few steps closer to the actors, sets it back down).

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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2003, 03:51:15 PM »
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Most films break all the dogme rules


i meant to purposefully break the rules. for example, the hand held rule. well the camera would be on a tripod, but the viewer would be aware that a tripod is being used (the scene is happening as the camera is being screwed on, during the scene the cameraman picks up the tripod, takes a few steps closer to the actors, sets it back down).


That would be hilarious.

Especially if they pulled the macho, tripod over the shoulder move with the cam going.

 

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