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« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2003, 03:14:53 PM »
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Creedence were as good a band as the VU and nearly as influential.......

*ducks*


  :evil:   Hippie. Might as well hold up a lighter and bellow, "ZZZZZZZZEPPPP!!!"

...okay, that's out of my system. You can stop ducking now. I feel a little better.

As for Phil. well, my favorite stuff of his was The Ronettes stuff and The Crystals stuff. And "River Deep, Mountain High."
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« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2003, 03:19:34 PM »
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I think the Boys may have something on VU when it comes to innovation in production, and they were doubtlessly catchier.

But I think VU changed pop music in a way the Beach Boys didn't. And lyrically, my god... the Beach Boys, to me, are not about lyrical innovation. If anything, they crystallize and perfect the pre-existing lyrical notions to the point of pastiche, but... in the conceptual and lyrical departments, I'm confident in saying VU has Beach Boys beat.
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"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

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« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2003, 03:21:18 PM »
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i hate to agree with mesh, but yeah saying VU Were as good as the beach boys, well thats just dumb

and yeah creedance on their worst day meant more then VU

VU'S LEGACY will be that the inspired a lot of bad bands to use white noise as a cop out

its a shame that people never pick up on the fact that they had great melodys

people will always talk about sister ray, but its the melodys that struck me

but still you cant compare them to the beach boys

brian wilson changed the world of music forever

you cant compare that with vu making the world ready for yo la tango

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« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2003, 03:22:09 PM »
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Hey, was that Zep bashing I heard? C'mon. Seriously. The Rain Song, Over The Hills And Far Away, Ramble On, Hey Hey What Can I Do, and Stairway... I mean, there's no need for Zep hate. Look what wonderful songs they gave us.
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

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« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2003, 03:23:55 PM »
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Also, Heroine and Black Angel Death Song are better than everything CCR ever did put together.

Should I duck now?
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

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« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2003, 03:25:44 PM »
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Should I duck now?


oh i would say so

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« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2003, 03:29:01 PM »
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Hey, was that Zep bashing I heard? C'mon. Seriously. The Rain Song, Over The Hills And Far Away, Ramble On, Hey Hey What Can I Do, and Stairway... I mean, there's no need for Zep hate. Look what wonderful songs they gave us.


I can handle "When the Levee Breaks" and "Stairway to Heaven" okay...

...the rest is what comes into my head when someone uses the phrase "dinosaur rock."
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

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« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2003, 03:32:25 PM »
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i hate to agree with mesh, but yeah saying VU Were as good as the beach boys, well thats just dumb



Trenchant.   :roll:
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

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« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2003, 03:32:49 PM »
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Yeah, but look at the songs I mentioned. Most are their wonderful acoustic tunes. I mean, Hey Hey What Can I Do... that's my "falling in love" song. And The Rain Song is just beautiful. I dunno.


And as for CCR, I thought John Fogerty's solo album was cute. Y'know, Centerfield.
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

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« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2003, 03:33:14 PM »
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Also, Heroine and Black Angel Death Song are better than everything CCR ever did put together.

Should I duck now?


I'm throwing nothing except respect your way for that.
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"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

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« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2003, 03:46:27 PM »
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i hate to agree with mesh, but yeah saying VU Were as good as the beach boys, well thats just dumb



Trenchant.   :roll:


you seem to roll your eyes a lot

is that because you have ben wah balls up your ass

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« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2003, 03:59:48 PM »
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i hate to agree with mesh, but yeah saying VU Were as good as the beach boys, well thats just dumb



Trenchant.   :roll:


you seem to roll your eyes a lot


When it comes to some things, there's really nothing more to say than that.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

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« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2003, 06:41:16 PM »
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I love VU era Lou Reed to death, but if you pit Reed against Pet Sounds era Brian Wilson, Brian wins. Both made huge contributions to the world of music, Brian's was just larger and richer. Lou Reed was cooler though.

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« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2004, 10:46:27 PM »
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from pitchfork:

Brian Wilson: "Wonderful"/"Child Is Father of the Man"
37 years after these songs were supposed to have further upped pop's ante from Wilson's prior teenage symphonies to God, Smile is upon us. Hearing them now, it's downright tragic to imagine what could have been. It's not because the songs don't sound great: Brian's singing is incredible, and the arrangements are as close as you're going to get to the original tracks without being sued by Mike Love. "Wonderful" is the same arrangement as appeared on the 1993 Good Vibrations box set, with harpsichord, sparse brass and pizzicato strings, and of course the delicate backing vocals, now taken by The Wondermints. Brian's voice seems weightier now, but that's to be expected-- the surprise is how tender he can still be.
"Child Is Father of the Man" has never appeared on an official album in complete form, and this version is majestic. The backing vocals of "Wonderful" are transformed into counterpoint over a new chord progression and Van Dyke Parks' typically playful prose: "One, maybe not one, maybe you too are wonderin'/ Wonderin' who, wonderful you are wonderin'." Clarinet, harpsichord and orchestral brass elegantly flesh out what is already art song. The second half of the song introduces the familiar "child is father of the man" refrain from "Surf's Up", released on the 1971 album of the same name. Now, it's all starting to come together. Life is grand, and Smile is here. [Dominique Leone; September 7th, 2004]
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« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2004, 08:23:05 PM »
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the new SmiLE came out today. it turned out better than i thought it would. Brian's singing ain't quite what it was, but not bad. I like the new lyrics and arrangements.
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you can listen to it free at www.smilethealbum.com
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