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Problems with the "Magnolia" script?? (& dixon
« on: June 25, 2005, 11:10:49 PM »
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I might be nuts, but in one of the scenes (a deleted one), Stanley is spotted in a local dinner, eating a cookie, where "Dixon" and the "Worm" happen to be.

From what I got out of it, the "Worm" starts to make himself cry, so that Stanley feels sorry for him and goes over to speak with him.  The "Worm", then tells Stanley.

                      WORM: You know what it's like to come home
                      scared, scared that maybe if you don't
                      have the money you're supposed to
                      go out each day and get that you're gonna
                      get beaten....by a belt...he hits me
                      with a belt, Stanley

Of course, this is WORM trying to make Stanley feel bad for him, so that he would get money from him. If he needed money, Stanley was the guy to talk to, at the diner.

I think that line is better suited for "Dixon", who unless I am crazy, is the Worm's son.  So, is this a mix-up and Dixon beats his dad with a belt? mmm. Or is a 40 year old man getting beaten by a belt for money by his old man?  

In "That Moment: Magnolia Diary", we see "Dixon" come in, with a gun, spotting his father and Stanley having a conversation, and telling his dad that they should rob Stanley??

I don't know if the scene was just a mess or it all came down to Emmanuel Johnson's acting.

I loved the final product but if this was the shooting script that was submited to the Academy, it might explain, with it's errors, why it didn't win "Best Orginal Screenplay".

Sorry if somebody else spotted this and wrote a post awhile back.  I can't find anything with the search engine here.
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Re: Problems with the "Magnolia" script???
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2005, 11:24:55 PM »
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I might be nuts, but in one of the scenes (a deleted one), Stanley is spotted in a local dinner, eating a cookie, where "Dixon" and the "Worm" happen to be.

From what I got out of it, the "Worm" starts to make himself cry, so that Stanley feels sorry for him and goes over to speak with him.  The "Worm", then tells Stanley.

                      WORM: You know what it's like to come home
                      scared, scared that maybe if you don't
                      have the money you're supposed to
                      go out each day and get that you're gonna
                      get beaten....by a belt...he hits me
                      with a belt, Stanley

Of course, the reason behind that line is that they noticed, Stanley, as being the kid on TV who had won money. If he needed money, Stanley was the guy to talk to, at the diner.

I think that line is better suited for "Dixon", who unless I am crazy, is the Worm's son.  So the Dixon beats his dad with a belt? mmm. Or is a 40 year old man getting beaten by a belt for money by his dad?  

BUT in "That Moment: Magnolia Diary", we see "Dixon" come in, with a gun, spotting his father and Stanley having a conversation, and telling his dad that they should rob Stanley??

I don't know if the scene was just a mess or it all came down to Emmanuel Johnson's acting.

I loved the final product but if this was the shooting script that was submited to the Academy, it might explain, with it's errors, why it didn't win "Best Orginal Screenplay".

Sorry if somebody else spotted this and write a post awhile back.  I can't find anything with the search engine here.


Perhaps that bit was a typo, with Worm saying those lines.  There are a lot of typos in the shooting script, so that's not a surprise.  I don't THINK Academy members really read the scripts, and if they do, that is not the reason that it didn't win.  It was clear that Magnolia was a dark horse, and American Beauty simply was a more fitting screenplay for that award.

And things get jumbled all the time between writing and shooting, so any inconsistancies are also not surprising.

The scene was not cut because of the kid's acting.  It was cut because it was an unnecessary subplot.  The whole Worm subplot was pretty much cut out, except for the bit that's left in the final movie.  I, personally, think PTA made the right choice there.  I really didn't need that in the movie, myself.  I think the movie is just rock solid amazing as is, and would've lost steam and focus (the movie's scatterbrained enough as it is) with that whole subplot in there.

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Re: Problems with the "Magnolia" script???
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2005, 11:34:55 PM »
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The scene was not cut because of the kid's acting.  It was cut because it was an unnecessary subplot.

is that the official reason? i always figured it was cut cos dixon is pretty much the worst child actor of all time.. :yabbse-huh:
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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2005, 11:54:49 PM »
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That shot from behind Dixons head really irks the shit outta me. Also, I haven't seen Magnolia for years but I remember there was a scene where he flubs his line, something like "And thats/././././.yjthats how you gonna get him" or something like that.
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2005, 02:22:01 AM »
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"And thats/././././.yjthats how you gonna get him" or something like that.

I don't know exactly how one would say that, but I believe he says "Now, that shit w-will help you solve the case."
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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2005, 02:54:01 AM »
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Re: Problems with the "Magnolia" script???
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2005, 12:38:26 PM »
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The scene was not cut because of the kid's acting.  It was cut because it was an unnecessary subplot.

is that the official reason?

yes.

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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2005, 03:49:11 PM »
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In THAT MOMENT he seems to be having a hard time shooting this one.
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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2005, 05:10:04 PM »
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"And thats/././././.yjthats how you gonna get him" or something like that.

I don't know exactly how one would say that, but I believe he says "Now, that shit w-will help you solve the case."


Yeah, yeah thats it. Is it just an editing mistake or an acting mistake? Did the film skip a bit or was it just an awful take?
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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2005, 06:07:52 PM »
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"And thats/././././.yjthats how you gonna get him" or something like that.

I don't know exactly how one would say that, but I believe he says "Now, that shit w-will help you solve the case."


Yeah, yeah thats it. Is it just an editing mistake or an acting mistake? Did the film skip a bit or was it just an awful take?

I think it was the best take they had. :wink:
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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2005, 09:31:15 PM »
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DUDE.

The Dead Guy in the closet was Worm's dad or step-dad. He beat Worm, or an earlier father figure of Worm beat him.

I didn't think it was confusing. I just thought that a grown man is scared of being beat. Oh well, these strange things happen all the time.


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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2005, 06:06:06 PM »
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Would also like to see this missing footage.  I'm sure it will never surface, however, and perhaps that's the way it should be.  As far as Dixon is concerned, i'm not sure where the issue is with this flubbed line crap.  I think this kid is pitch-perfect, at least in the scenes that remain in the film.  He has an undeniably great chemistry with John C. Riley and screen presence.  That moment where he fubbles with the words was, in the humble opinion of this narrator, there best take by far.  Even if there were one's where this didn't happen.  To capture a moment like that is priceless and I believe adds to the trueness of the scene.  People fubble over their speech all the time.  PTA knows what he's doing.  I'm one for a DIXON RULES thread.

The only thing missing from Magnolia is a commentary track on my DVD.  Maybe we can persuade PTA to do one as a separate purchase, kind of a supplement.  Well, one can dream.  One can dream.

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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2005, 06:13:47 PM »
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No, no, the kid's crap.

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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2005, 08:40:05 PM »
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dixon, dixon, dixon

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Hello, Hello
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