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Re: CRASH
« Reply #180 on: February 06, 2006, 09:35:25 AM »
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That's a hilarious quote. I'm thinking we can all try and look at crash as if it were a satire on society and how it deals with racism....It could work.

You mean that Crash itself is a satire of the American stance on racism or that Crash being a half-assed interpretation of the American stance on racism is a satire of the American stance on racism? 


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« Reply #181 on: February 06, 2006, 12:51:43 PM »
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I could imagine viewing Crash as if it were a Not Another Teen Movie-style parody of serious ensemble dramas.  On that level, I think I might enjoy it very much.

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« Reply #182 on: February 06, 2006, 01:05:54 PM »
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I see it as a live satire, taking into account the reception it's getting.

Such as:

I could imagine viewing Crash as if it were a Not Another Teen Movie-style parody of serious ensemble dramas.  On that level, I think I might enjoy it very much.

"What the hell is wrong with you people?  Uh-uh... don't talk to me unless you speak American!"

AUDIENCE: (Applause) (tears) That made me see deeply into myself.  That was so complex and moving!

ACADEMY: Here's a bunch of Oscar nominations!

I guess it's really more of a social experiment. 

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« Reply #183 on: February 06, 2006, 02:02:51 PM »
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I guess it's really more of a social experiment. 

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« Reply #184 on: February 06, 2006, 06:16:53 PM »
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That's a hilarious quote. I'm thinking we can all try and look at crash as if it were a satire on society and how it deals with racism....It could work.

You mean that Crash itself is a satire of the American stance on racism or that Crash being a half-assed interpretation of the American stance on racism is a satire of the American stance on racism? 


I meant that crash itself is a satire of the american Stance on racism, but it could be the later.
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« Reply #185 on: February 10, 2006, 11:37:23 PM »
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It's true, this is a white guilt movie, and not a particularly valuable one... if only because it doubles back continuously by removing some characters' dignity and redeeming others, especially the Matt Dillon and Sandra Bullock characters. And it's a little confusing that it decided to perpetuate most of the stereotypes it deals with... not especially helpful.

This movie strikes me as a pretty good litmus test, and the 77% at Rotten Tomatoes is a bit frightening.

I also didn't appreciate its cheap duplication of Magnolia (it even had a Wise Up moment and a climactic precipitation), or the horrifyingly bad music, or the fake slow motion.

It's refreshing to hear that Paul Haggis knows this movie is trash. I wonder if he's realized the same about Million Dollar Baby.
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Re: CRASH
« Reply #186 on: February 10, 2006, 11:44:41 PM »
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It hasn't been established if he was being facetious (or fishing for compliments, which is probably most likely) or not.  Would you pass me that coaster?  Water rings are a bitch.

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Re: CRASH
« Reply #187 on: February 11, 2006, 12:54:05 AM »
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I'm kinda getting a different view on the quote. I think he was saying it was bad pacing and structure wise not because its exagerated and whatever the hell you people don't like it for. I, for one, thought it was great.
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« Reply #188 on: February 23, 2006, 03:41:50 PM »
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SPOILER... and i like how they made cheadle fuck over his own race to better himself...

That's the problem with the entire movie.  It deals with race issues, but still using broad generalizations.  Don Cheadle turns on his own race... so the fuck what?  If a black man shoots a black man is it the end of an era?  Race isn't a network, it's the color of your skin. The movie didn't do anything about that, although it kept leading you to think it would.

Also, I guess I didn't notice the trend, but what mainstream movies are the african americans martyrs and white people devils?  I guess maybe Night of the Living Dead, but which particular movies do this? (This isn't a rhetorical question, I'm thinking maybe these movies have slipped my mind because the trend just doesn't seem apparent to me).  Plus, there was no juxtaposition anyway.  No white person was really even a hero.  Maybe Matt Dillon's dad, if anyone.
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« Reply #189 on: February 23, 2006, 09:16:37 PM »
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SPOILER... and i like how they made cheadle fuck over his own race to better himself...

That's the problem with the entire movie.  It deals with race issues, but still using broad generalizations.  Don Cheadle turns on his own race... so the fuck what?  If a black man shoots a black man is it the end of an era?  Race isn't a network, it's the color of your skin. The movie didn't do anything about that, although it kept leading you to think it would.

Also, I guess I didn't notice the trend, but what mainstream movies are the african americans martyrs and white people devils?  I guess maybe Night of the Living Dead, but which particular movies do this? (This isn't a rhetorical question, I'm thinking maybe these movies have slipped my mind because the trend just doesn't seem apparent to me).  Plus, there was no juxtaposition anyway.  No white person was really even a hero.  Maybe Matt Dillon's dad, if anyone.

popular films that hate white people:

in the heat of the night
seperate but equal
glory
mississippi burning
a time to kill
l.a. confidential
american history x
the color purple
amistad
monstar's ball
do the right thing
men of honor

.these are just off the top of my head that i've seen...you could add any other film dealing w/ nazis, kkk, slavery.etc., etc., etc............

in these films that i mentioned i am NOT defending the white characters..but we have seen hundreds of films where white people=bad  and the african-americans=good.....crash, flipped that around..its fucked w/ the typical race relations bewtween whites and minorites...that is an original idea that i applaud haggis for.

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That's the problem with the entire movie.  It deals with race issues, but still using broad generalizations.  Don Cheadle turns on his own race... so the fuck what?  If a black man shoots a black man is it the end of an era?  Race isn't a network, it's the color of your skin. The movie didn't do anything about that, although it kept leading you to think it would.

my point of it is instead of the typical enron douche bag white boys fucking each other up and taking advantage of one another ...it was a minority doing it in a race relation genre film...

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« Reply #190 on: February 23, 2006, 10:58:25 PM »
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that was more retarded than the special olympics:


popular films that hate white people:

in the heat of the night
seperate but equal
glory
mississippi burning
a time to kill
l.a. confidential
american history x
the color purple
amistad
monstar's ball
do the right thing
men of honor

.these are just off the top of my head that i've seen...you could add any other film dealing w/ nazis, kkk, slavery.etc., etc., etc............

in these films that i mentioned i am NOT defending the white characters..but we have seen hundreds of films where white people=bad and the african-americans=good.....crash, flipped that around..its fucked w/ the typical race relations bewtween whites and minorites...that is an original idea that i applaud haggis for.

my point of it is instead of the typical enron douche bag white boys fucking each other up and taking advantage of one another ...it was a minority doing it in a race relation genre film...

oh, so I guess it's up to the white boy of hollywood to show the rest of the world how there might be some bad minorities in the world too--just like in Glory and Amistad and Mississippi Burning and A Time to Kill when white people came in and saved the poor black folks and gave their lives meaning?  Yeah, real negative portrayal of them white people.  Hollywood HATES white people, every week those slews of movies starring white people and directed white people should just all be titled "Self Loathing Number Vol. 14-336."  I can't think of "hundreds" of films that actually starred the African-Americans, nevermind the hundreds of films that starred both black people AND white people, except in porn of course.
So Crash's brilliant twist was that instead of having whites vs. the minorities, it had the minorities vs. the whites?  That's effing brilliant.  I mean, instead of centering it around white people, it centered around white people?  I loved how it played with the convention with the "race relation genre", god, I mean, hundreds of "race relation genre" movies and I can't think of one instance where the minorities wait, let me hold on that thought, and just say that, for the record, Bill O'reilly with his mouth full of his own cocks come of as more coherent as what you've just typed here.  You're a pitiful sheltered creature (albeit probably a nice person who cooks great food and has some kinda capacity for some basic human emotions) whose view of the world and especially of people not your skin color comes from movies, waiters, and that one guy in school who laughs at your racist jokes--ALL squeezed into this knee-jerk anti-PC frame, without much understanding of the history and the politics behind the PC controversy, and with even less understanding (if that is even possible) of things like "points of views" and "racial dynamics", coupled with a total lack of diversity in your awesome neighborhood, makes you severely handicapped in the arena of human understanding.  Your view of race and politics and the world and humans in general has just been tainted by this reactionary ideology of rebelling against rebellion, where everything is theoretically threatened by unseen forces from the "left" (which is defined here by any foreign idea that approaches you from non-traditional venues, or just any new idea you're unwilling to personally think through).  And this might've been alright if you had an aging machine that allows you to grow into a 70 year old diaper wearing retard, but to see it go to waste on a potentially friendly and charming and intelligent human being such as yourself, is heartbreaking enough for me to type up this long observation.  I've been reading your hollow reactions for months now, and every reaction you've ever posited on this here board can summarize you better than I have just now.  I'm just holding up the big mirror.  Take a look.  Don't waste your life away.
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Re: CRASH
« Reply #191 on: February 23, 2006, 11:03:28 PM »
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so, should i see this or capote this weekend?
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« Reply #192 on: February 24, 2006, 01:41:50 AM »
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so, should i see this or capote this weekend?

See this.  Capote's no fun to argue about.
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Re: CRASH
« Reply #193 on: February 24, 2006, 01:43:52 AM »
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that was more retarded than the special olympics:


popular films that hate white people:

in the heat of the night
seperate but equal
glory
mississippi burning
a time to kill
l.a. confidential
american history x
the color purple
amistad
monstar's ball
do the right thing
men of honor

.these are just off the top of my head that i've seen...you could add any other film dealing w/ nazis, kkk, slavery.etc., etc., etc............

in these films that i mentioned i am NOT defending the white characters..but we have seen hundreds of films where white people=bad and the african-americans=good.....crash, flipped that around..its fucked w/ the typical race relations bewtween whites and minorites...that is an original idea that i applaud haggis for.

my point of it is instead of the typical enron douche bag white boys fucking each other up and taking advantage of one another ...it was a minority doing it in a race relation genre film...

oh, so I guess it's up to the white boy of hollywood to show the rest of the world how there might be some bad minorities in the world too--just like in Glory and Amistad and Mississippi Burning and A Time to Kill when white people came in and saved the poor black folks and gave their lives meaning?  Yeah, real negative portrayal of them white people.  Hollywood HATES white people, every week those slews of movies starring white people and directed white people should just all be titled "Self Loathing Number Vol. 14-336."  I can't think of "hundreds" of films that actually starred the African-Americans, nevermind the hundreds of films that starred both black people AND white people, except in porn of course.
So Crash's brilliant twist was that instead of having whites vs. the minorities, it had the minorities vs. the whites?  That's effing brilliant.  I mean, instead of centering it around white people, it centered around white people?  I loved how it played with the convention with the "race relation genre", god, I mean, hundreds of "race relation genre" movies and I can't think of one instance where the minorities wait, let me hold on that thought, and just say that, for the record, Bill O'reilly with his mouth full of his own cocks come of as more coherent as what you've just typed here.  You're a pitiful sheltered creature (albeit probably a nice person who cooks great food and has some kinda capacity for some basic human emotions) whose view of the world and especially of people not your skin color comes from movies, waiters, and that one guy in school who laughs at your racist jokes--ALL squeezed into this knee-jerk anti-PC frame, without much understanding of the history and the politics behind the PC controversy, and with even less understanding (if that is even possible) of things like "points of views" and "racial dynamics", coupled with a total lack of diversity in your awesome neighborhood, makes you severely handicapped in the arena of human understanding.  Your view of race and politics and the world and humans in general has just been tainted by this reactionary ideology of rebelling against rebellion, where everything is theoretically threatened by unseen forces from the "left" (which is defined here by any foreign idea that approaches you from non-traditional venues, or just any new idea you're unwilling to personally think through).  And this might've been alright if you had an aging machine that allows you to grow into a 70 year old diaper wearing retard, but to see it go to waste on a potentially friendly and charming and intelligent human being such as yourself, is heartbreaking enough for me to type up this long observation.  I've been reading your hollow reactions for months now, and every reaction you've ever posited on this here board can summarize you better than I have just now.  I'm just holding up the big mirror.  Take a look.  Don't waste your life away.

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what is up w/ you?????  

all i'm saying is that this film was different..than the typical race relation genre in the fact that haggis made a statement saying minorites can suck just as much as white people do......you didnt need to go all armchair psychiatry on me...this film doesnt even deserve this much thought devoted to it...

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Re: CRASH
« Reply #194 on: February 24, 2006, 02:34:37 AM »
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all i'm saying is that this film was different..than the typical race relation genre in the fact that haggis made a statement saying minorites can suck just as much as white people do
That's a pretty stupid statement for a film to make, though.  Especially when done so obviously.  "Minorities can suck just as much as white people do" could almost be a line from Crash.

 

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