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« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2005, 06:13:52 PM »
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this argument is retarded.


I'm afraid I have to agree with eward.  :yabbse-thumbup:

Reading how someone doesn't like these movies is like trying to read a pitchforkmedia review, I just can't understand any of it.
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« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2005, 07:40:35 PM »
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Quote from: eward
this argument is retarded.


I'm afraid I have to agree with eward.  :yabbse-thumbup:

Reading how someone doesn't like these movies is like trying to read a pitchforkmedia review, I just can't understand any of it.


haha..

I hate Pitchforkmedia. Buncha clowns working at that joint.

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« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2005, 10:50:25 PM »
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Compare this story structure to the non-linear works of Godard and Jon Jost.


What about the linear work of John Cassavetes? Is he not an indepedent because his stories are linear? Does one have non linear to be indepedent? Do you realize your argument basically eliminates a good percentage of all foreign filmmakers?


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Scorsese works within the confines of big-budget, mainstream Hollywood conventions, and does better work than most directors in this situation.  However, I can't imagine Scorsese making a film like Gummo, Elephant or Buffalo 66.


Would you argue Sam Fuller as mainstream? Isn't there a history of artists who do have studio backing but always fight for artistic freedom? What about their story?

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« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2005, 10:56:22 PM »
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this argument is retarded.


I'm afraid I have to agree with eward.  :yabbse-thumbup:

Reading how someone doesn't like these movies is like trying to read a pitchforkmedia review, I just can't understand any of it.


I'm always stunned by those who don't see anything to an argument still feel so overcome to comment on it. Should all arguments that don't fit your criteria of 'excellence' be put down? See, I doubt you any of you meant to stop this argument in its tracks, but these comments really do shift the tide of what the thread is about. What usually happens is the argument is gone and we're back to talking about absolutely nothing. I see a worse situation in that.

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« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2005, 11:58:08 PM »
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Well maybe my saying that I don't understand why you would argue this is enough to suggest that you should step back from the argument and really think about the significance of what the hell you are talking about.

I think shifting the tide is a good thing, in terms of this argument. But that's just me, because I can't understand this argument. And my point is as valid as any, ideally.

If I should comment on good arguments, why not comment on bad ones?

OK, so what don't I understand about this argument:

I don't see why it is important to quibble over the artistic value of a man's work that I feel is all good to begin with. I'm not in the minority, I think, when I say that Scorsese's shit has never been "mainstream" by any made-up definition of the word. Also, I think, IN MY OPINION, that Goodfellas, Mean Streets, Taxi Driver, and Raging Bull (among others) are amazing pieces of cinema and I really don't agree with anything that's been said about them, especially by you GT. Maybe it's close-mindedness or ignorance, but us, the people of xixax, criticizing something as amazing as Taxi Driver or Goodfellas is about the most pointless thing you could ever do. Sure, in some ideal sense of criticism that everything should be criticised, that's fine, I agree with that. Reading it here, however, I have to gripe. And I did. And now you get this post explaining why.

You can criticise all you like, and again this is probably egotistical and limiting, but let's stick to stuff that has room for criticism without coming off like pompous asses. I mean to me, there's something wrong with being so high-brow to say, "Taxi Driver's ending was an easy out." If I'm the only one, someone tell me.
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« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2005, 12:55:21 AM »
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You're against my argument, fine. But you really haven't explained what about my argument your against. You're just labeling it. I understood the impossible task to "explain" my dislike for many of his films at once, but I do think I adaquately tried to explain.

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« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2005, 11:45:23 PM »
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This "mainstream" thing is very adolescent. In any case, I'm of the opinion that "mainstream" movies are stuff like "White Chicks" and "Men in Black".  When intelligent films like Good Fellas are well received by audiences, that's more of a happy accident than an expected audience reaction from the studios and filmmakers.

Just because a film has a big budget and studio support doesn't automaticly makes it mainstream. How can Kundun be mainstream by any standard?? Tibetan non actors in a story about the Dalai Lama? Bringing Out the Dead? Age of Innocence? Gangs of New York even?? The only (maybe) mainstream film in scorsese's career is Cape Fear. But all of his films from the nineties are big budgeted art films. I mean, it's like saying Nixon is a mainstream film. Like James Wood said (talkin about Nixon and Casino): "these films are studio movies made with independent thinking".

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« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2005, 11:45:09 AM »
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I woke up this morning, and found that I had regained my interest in Martin Scorsese.
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« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2005, 11:59:56 AM »
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it is accomplished.

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