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Re: wachowski thread ready for a title change
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2004, 03:18:42 PM »
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GT, maybe if you didn't hate on transvestites so much, we could have a decent discussion around here...



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Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

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Re: wachowski thread ready for a title change
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2004, 03:30:17 PM »
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That's a Jungian thing. You tend to be more perceptive about things while you're fresh about something. For example, when you learn a new word, the next day you'll probably read something that has that word and you'll actually understand it, unlike previous times, where you simply ignored the word.

That's also the reason why a lot of people think that they can communicate with dead people.

You can only take that skepticism so far, though... it's a little oversimplifying. I've seen Barry Lyndon before and remember the music well, so how can you say I've ignored it every other day that it's played twice on the radio? And I'm not sure Jung would completely agree with you. What about the collective unconscious?
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Re: wachowski thread ready for a title change
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2004, 03:34:46 PM »
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That's a Jungian thing. You tend to be more perceptive about things while you're fresh about something. For example, when you learn a new word, the next day you'll probably read something that has that word and you'll actually understand it, unlike previous times, where you simply ignored the word.

That's also the reason why a lot of people think that they can communicate with dead people.

You can only take that skepticism so far, though... it's a little oversimplifying. I've seen Barry Lyndon before and remember the music well, so how can you say I've ignored it every other day that it's played twice on the radio? And I'm not sure Jung would completely agree with you. What about the collective unconscious?



You said you watched Barry Lyndon on Saturday and listened the music on Sunday. So obviously you were more perceptive toward things related to Barry Lyndon.  And I'm guessing you don't remember what you dreamed on Saturday , that dream may have to do with it.

By the way , I don't like Psychology. I just like this Jung character.
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Re: wachowski thread ready for a title change
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2004, 04:04:16 PM »
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That's a Jungian thing. You tend to be more perceptive about things while you're fresh about something. For example, when you learn a new word, the next day you'll probably read something that has that word and you'll actually understand it, unlike previous times, where you simply ignored the word.

That's also the reason why a lot of people think that they can communicate with dead people.


(aha!  what did I say about film geeks and carl jung?)

first of all, I don't think reading the gossip column of suntimes makes me "fresh" about sex-change operations.  

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Re: wachowski thread ready for a title change
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2004, 04:08:20 PM »
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ohh Jung and his Jouth movement.
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Re: wachowski thread ready for a title change
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2004, 04:17:38 PM »
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:cry:  :cry: Sometimes  I wish Carl Jung were called Mickey Mouse .

Note to self: Never, under any circumstances, talk about Psychology on xixax.  :brickwall:
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Re: wachowski thread ready for a title change
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2004, 04:29:09 PM »
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Come on now, cronopio, instead of restating your case, respond to this:
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I've seen Barry Lyndon before and remember the music well, so how can you say I've ignored it every other day that it's played twice on the radio?

I'm not saying the increased perception theory is wrong... it's just limited.
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Re: wachowski thread ready for a title change
« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2004, 04:34:08 PM »
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Come on now, cronopio, instead of restating your case, respond to this:
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
I've seen Barry Lyndon before and remember the music well, so how can you say I've ignored it every other day that it's played twice on the radio?

I'm not saying the increased perception theory is wrong... it's just limited.


 I don't think that seeing Barry Lyndon and listening to its music as in this weekend's short span has happened to you before, has it?

And maybe , this time , you payed a lot more attention to Barry Lyndon.
You even started a visual defence on it on the Kubrick forum.
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Re: wachowski thread ready for a title change
« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2004, 04:34:34 PM »
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hi, i read xixax. i learned all my philosophy from waking life! HOORAY!
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Re: wachowski thread ready for a title change
« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2004, 04:36:56 PM »
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hi, i read xixax. i learned all my philosophy from waking life! HOORAY!


Argggggg nightmare! I'll just post my adress so you can all send me your tomatoes.
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Re: wachowski thread ready for a title change
« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2004, 06:13:16 PM »
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i can't help thinking about the lesbian sex scene in "bound" after reading about the surgery.


He's a lesbian in a man's body, just like on The L-Word.  :)  Cool.  This all reminds me of John Waters' excellent quote: "We don't need sexual 'orientation'- we need sexual anarchy." I find people who refuse to be enslaved by their biology, whether they're gay or transsexual or drag queens or heterosexually adventurous, very compelling.

SNT, it's your right to find someone's bravery "ridiculous" if you prefer that; what makes many things brave is precisely that they appear ridiculous to small-minded naysayers with little imagination who have no problem calling something brave "ridiculous." You kinda proved my point.  :)
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Re: wachowski thread ready for a title change
« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2004, 06:16:39 PM »
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By the way , I don't like Psychology. I just like this Jung character.


That's funny... I like Psychology quite a lot, and I'm not particularly enamored of this Jung character and his disproportionate popularity.  :shock:

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Re: wachowski thread ready for a title change
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2004, 06:18:01 PM »
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oh SNAP! he TOTALLY just went there!
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Re: wachowski thread ready for a title change
« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2004, 06:22:45 PM »
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That's funny... I like Psychology quite a lot, and I'm not particularly enamored of this Jung character and his disproportionate popularity.  


Is Jung more popular than Freud there?  Because where I live he isn't... It's the opposite , in fact. Not that it matters though,
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Re: wachowski thread ready for a title change
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2004, 06:32:37 PM »
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That's funny... I like Psychology quite a lot, and I'm not particularly enamored of this Jung character and his disproportionate popularity.  


Is Jung more popular than Freud there?  Because where I live he isn't... It's the opposite , in fact. Not that it matters though,


Your part 'o the world has it right. Jung is good for a lot of things, but (in my opinion) he's been ruined by crackpot reinterpreters. He's well worth reading and has some very interesting things to say (particularly for people with creative mindsets), but never, ever before Freud. He has this large cult that's sort of degenerated his work into a bunch of New Age/pseudomystical hooey, which is probably an American thing.

Basically, if you're gonna do Jung, just do Jung and ignore those who merely riff on his ideas. He's still second to Freud (at best), though. The thing about Freud is that people have built on his work in very intriguing and important ways, whereas with Jung it seems to have been a downhill trajectory from the original work.
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