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« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2003, 07:34:16 PM »
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No to Barry Lyndon


I think you mean "yes"

unless you didn't really watch it...

you do have eyes right?


No I don't, thank god for this Braille monitor.

In that Von Trier and PTA bb interview, Lars said that Nicole Kidman said that Kubrick thought Lyndon was too long. I think that's justification enough, but still, I didn't say that film wasn't a looker, it's just boring. I will give you this, I haven't seen it in a long time.


I'm getting annoyed by the continuing use of "Author says so.." to try to end discussions. It should be understood what the author says is just another opinion. Is Kubrick the most unbias source for an opinion? Hardly. I gurantee if Barry Lyndon was the success he promised it would be to WB executives, he would praise it afterwards. Kubrick was highly confident while making the film and had all the time to make the film. He was just dissapointed by its dismal business and that he had to do this film in place of his Napolean project.


I don't see what's wrong with citing Kubrick's opinion about his own work. It is just another opinion, but it's probably the most important opinion and the most insightful into the work. Kubrick's got more experience than me, I think what he had to say about his own work is important to help understand what he was trying to do with it. Since he thought it was too long, maybe he realized it could've been more efficient and still be as thorough if he had cut off some of the fat, but in general he acknowledged that something could've been done better about the length. As for what he would've done if the film was successful, I don't see how you can form an opinion based on what you think he would've done if something different had happened.
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« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2003, 08:47:36 PM »
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I don't see what's wrong with citing Kubrick's opinion about his own work. It is just another opinion, but it's probably the most important opinion and the most insightful into the work. Kubrick's got more experience than me, I think what he had to say about his own work is important to help understand what he was trying to do with it. Since he thought it was too long, maybe he realized it could've been more efficient and still be as thorough if he had cut off some of the fat, but in general he acknowledged that something could've been done better about the length. As for what he would've done if the film was successful, I don't see how you can form an opinion based on what you think he would've done if something different had happened.


OK, you're right. I'm sorry. I thought you were implying something else.

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« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2003, 09:42:13 PM »
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Yeah, but up until EWS it was widely accepted that Kubrick considered Barry Lyndon to be his most artistically fulfilling picture.
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« Reply #48 on: December 18, 2003, 09:47:43 PM »
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kubrick supposedly saying that stuff about lyndon, is exactly like LVT saying to PTA that stuff about Breaking the Waves. and how PT was like "shut up, i don't wanna hear that! i dont' need to hear that!".

that's how it is, maybe kubrick felt that way when he was staring at kidman's naked body, but he knows it and we know it that Barry Lyndon is probably the greatest thing he ever did. it's flawless on a level that no film had tried to be flawless in before.
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« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2003, 09:49:34 PM »
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Can't argue there.
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« Reply #50 on: December 19, 2003, 03:21:27 AM »
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what is this interview with lvt and pta that you are talking about?
is it on the internet?
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« Reply #51 on: December 19, 2003, 03:22:51 AM »
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what is this interview with lvt and pta that you are talking about?
is it on the internet?

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« Reply #52 on: December 19, 2003, 09:27:56 AM »
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kubrick supposedly saying that stuff about lyndon, is exactly like LVT saying to PTA that stuff about Breaking the Waves. and how PT was like "shut up, i don't wanna hear that! i dont' need to hear that!".

that's how it is, maybe kubrick felt that way when he was staring at kidman's naked body, but he knows it and we know it that Barry Lyndon is probably the greatest thing he ever did. it's flawless on a level that no film had tried to be flawless in before.


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« Reply #53 on: December 19, 2003, 10:44:44 AM »
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Kubrick was highly confident while making the film and had all the time to make the film. He was just dissapointed by its dismal business and that he had to do this film in place of his Napolean project.


Wrong, Napoleon was supossed to follow 2001: ASO, he didn't make the film because of the box office failure of Waterloo, instead he turned his eyes to a little novel called A Clockwork Orange, and I think he did more than fine with that choice.

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« Reply #54 on: December 19, 2003, 12:37:36 PM »
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^^^ i love it when ppl know what they're talking about.
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« Reply #55 on: December 19, 2003, 12:43:07 PM »
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« Reply #56 on: December 19, 2003, 01:08:21 PM »
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yep, barry lyndon rocks
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« Reply #57 on: December 19, 2003, 02:45:01 PM »
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Kubrick was highly confident while making the film and had all the time to make the film. He was just dissapointed by its dismal business and that he had to do this film in place of his Napolean project.


Wrong, Napoleon was supossed to follow 2001: ASO, he didn't make the film because of the box office failure of Waterloo, instead he turned his eyes to a little novel called A Clockwork Orange, and I think he did more than fine with that choice.


What part of that contradicted anything I said? Its just in your opinion Barry Lyndon was the better choice.

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« Reply #58 on: December 19, 2003, 02:47:39 PM »
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« Reply #59 on: December 19, 2003, 02:50:16 PM »
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Lots of good picks. I'll add Doctor Zhivago.

 

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