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NEON MERCURY

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I just saw Hard Eight for the first time
« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2003, 10:29:16 PM »
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all of a sudden Scorsese has a copyright on steadicam shots and quick cutting montage sequences??
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your being to generic w/that...theres more to it than just steadicam/quick cutting montage or else nobody would see the blatant comparisonns/ripoffffs from marty.....

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« Reply #46 on: December 07, 2003, 01:45:52 AM »
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hard eight is great

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« Reply #47 on: December 11, 2003, 05:47:48 PM »
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was there any significance in the bloody sleve thing at the end?


Yes.  

Of course, what we learn is that Sydney had killed John's father in Atlantic City.  He ended up leaving that in his past and until he ran into John outside the diner... the issue never came back into his life.

The blood on his sleeve, of course, was there because he killed the man in the hotel room that owed Clementine money.  By looking down on it, he realized what a terrible thing he had done... but just like John's father... he covered it up, and moved on.

I think it was a nice twist to the end of the film.  The entire point of the movie, was MOVING ON.  A more dubbed-down idea imposed in "Magnolia".

Don't get me wrong... this movie is no Boogie Nights, no Magnolia... and no Punch Drunk Love.  It was a good independent film... and most noteably, a great story backed up by a pretty darn good cast for a low-budget film.

For his first film... you saw a lot of potiental in PTA's future.
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« Reply #48 on: December 14, 2003, 01:06:23 PM »
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I also saw "Sydney" after I saw "Boogie Nights" and "Magnolia", but I wasn't dissapointed. I liked it immediately. And for a directing debut this is amazing.
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« Reply #49 on: December 14, 2003, 01:18:09 PM »
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its definantly not amazing


I wouldn't brush it off that easily.  This movie has several factors that make it so realistic and mind-blowing...so subtley that we may not notice it at first.
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« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2003, 12:41:02 PM »
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The blood on his sleeve, of course, was there because he killed the man in the hotel room that owed Clementine money.  


no he didn't....

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« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2003, 02:47:21 PM »
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The blood on the sleeve was from Jimmy's murder. He never killed that guy in the hotel room. In fact, the original ending was that the guy in the hotel room finds Sydney and kills him.
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« Reply #52 on: December 15, 2003, 04:38:31 PM »
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yes

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« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2003, 04:03:19 PM »
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wow - you guys are really beating the shit out of poor SYDNEY.  perhaps he deserves it?  i don't think so - this film holds a pretty special place in my heart; it's one the best christmas movies i've ever seen.
- the commentary track with PBH is over the top.  i love to listen to that while i make eggs.
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Re: SYDNEY
« Reply #54 on: December 16, 2003, 04:28:07 PM »
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wow - you guys are really beating the shit out of poor SYDNEY.  perhaps he deserves it?


no shit beating, just pointing out his mistake.  if it was rude i apologize.

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Re: SYDNEY
« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2003, 04:35:06 PM »
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if it was rude i apologize.


no worries // i'm half-joking here.  i admit that the first time i saw SYDNEY i didn't really 'get it', but it has easily become one of my favourite films over the years and i actually watch it more often than MAGNOLIA and BOOGIE NIGHTS combined (that says more about it's length though).
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« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2003, 02:18:51 PM »
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I just saw this for the first time, as well, and I thought it was excellent. Another PTA masterpiece. My rankings:

1) Magnolia
2) Punch-Drunk Love
3) Hard Eight
4) Boogie Nights

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« Reply #57 on: December 17, 2003, 04:11:41 PM »
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I just saw this for the first time, as well, and I thought it was excellent. Another PTA masterpiece. My rankings:

1) Magnolia
2) Punch-Drunk Love
3) Hard Eight
4) Boogie Nights


you ranking really doesnt matter in the scheme of things
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« Reply #58 on: December 25, 2003, 06:02:41 PM »
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That's right. It still doesn't take away from the fact, that he was covering up something that he did... that was wrong and moved on.

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The blood on his sleeve, of course, was there because he killed the man in the hotel room that owed Clementine money.  


no he didn't....
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« Reply #59 on: October 29, 2004, 10:55:21 PM »
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http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2000/scorsese/000301_mfe_scorsese_ptanderson.html

"Due to the way he claims his very promising first picture, Sydney (retitled Hard Eight for release, in 1996), was butchered by its producers (a DVD of his original cut is available for comparison), Anderson has become exceptionally sensitive about maintaining control over his work."

is the DVD a director's cut?
i've been thinking about getting the DVD for Hard Eight lately.
unfortunately it's very hard to find in stores.
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