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« on: November 25, 2003, 08:58:40 AM »
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So I've only seen two Jane movies (well, 2 1/3, if you count Vadim's awful short on the Spirits Of The Dead compilation), but I must say, not only is she a powerful actress, but damn, if I was growing up in the 60's, it would've been my life's goal to marry her.

A true babe in every sense of the word!!

Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2003, 09:55:54 AM »
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She's also an example of how an actror's or actress's politics can ruin their careers.

It's a shame. She was excellent in the China Syndrome.
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2003, 09:57:30 AM »
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Well, yes, Hanoi Jane... hehehe. Yeah, that shit I don't like. But what can you do?

She's on my side now, and giving Ted Turner gray hairs daily. :-D
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2003, 11:14:35 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2003, 12:19:16 PM »
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I think Klute is a fantastic film- my favorite Jane performance.

SoNowThen, I'd think you'd be opposed to Jane Fonda in some visceral way... In her heyday, she would've made our present-day Susan Sarandons et al seem positively mute!
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2003, 12:26:42 PM »
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Yep, but like I said, she seems to have seen the light now.

Also, I feel she is 10 times the actress Sarandon could ever be.

And also, she was (in her prime) about 1000 times more attractive.
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2003, 12:28:12 PM »
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I like this:


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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2003, 12:31:24 PM »
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Yep, but like I said, she seems to have seen the light now.

Also, I feel she is 10 times the actress Sarandon could ever be.

And also, she was (in her prime) about 1000 times more attractive.


Yeah... she and Bowie were like the biggest, most disappointing sellouts of the eighties. I tend not to cry "sellout," but those two... thank god for celluloid and recording studios, or nobody would ever know how interesting they were.

I think Fonda had some concentrated greatness in a few prime roles, then gave up, whereas Sarandon gives consistently good performances even in bad films, and continues to do so.

Anyone else love Klute? It's excellent.
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"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2003, 01:00:14 PM »
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Anyone else love Klute? It's excellent.

yes, she plays a good whore.

and donald sutherland ain't too shabby neither.
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2003, 01:01:35 PM »
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Klute's wonderful (though I can't get over, um, what happens to the villain).  I still can't believe in such a short span of time, Pakula made that, All The President's Men, and The Parallax View.  Pretty staggering.

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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2003, 01:09:42 PM »
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Anyone else love Klute? It's excellent.

yes, she plays a good whore.

and donald sutherland ain't too shabby neither.


No, not at all. I'm just coming to the discovery that Donald Sutherland once skirted the A-list, what with M*A*S*H*, Klute, and Don't Look Now.

The "tears" scene in Klute is classic, but I also always remember the tiny, brief moment where she's putting cat food into the cat's dish and then nonchalantly licks the spoon before she throws the can away. That's hilarious. I wonder if it was in the script, or she just did it?
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2004, 09:22:23 AM »
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Really off topic, but I love this movie, we should talk about it.
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2004, 03:12:13 PM »
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why doesn't jane fonda do any more movies?  it's as if she's uncomfortable to age as an actress... her once contemporary, vanessa redgrave still gives awesome performances: girl, interrupted; the pledge, if these walls could talk 2.
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2004, 03:43:13 PM »
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why doesn't jane fonda do any more movies?


I think she kind of retired when she was with Ted Turner. But it looks like she's slowing starting come back and ease into doing films again. She was scheduled to be in Cameron Crowe's "Elizabethtown", but has since dropped out. But as of now, her part in the Jennifer Lopez movie "Monster In Law" as Lopez's mom in law looks to still be a go.
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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2004, 03:36:08 AM »
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Jane Fonda won two Oscars in the 70's, for Klute and Coming Home.  She was truly excellent in Coming Home, which was a labor of love that she helped to bring to the screen.  She also did good work in They Shoot Horses Don't They, Julia, Electric Horseman.  Like many, she sold out in the 80's -- going from political activism to making aerobics tapes.  But when she was politically active back in the late 60's and early 70's, she set the gold standard for stirring up the shit, in a way that will never be exceeded.  She makes Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon look like Republicans.  Also, she worked with Jean-Luc Godard in the early 70's, in an avowedly Marxist film.  Nowadays, even politically active celebrities play it somewhat safe, and try not to alienate too many audience members.  Fonda certainly threw caution to the wind in her prime.  Plus, she's a great actress.

An English teacher in my high school once said that American society needs people like Jane Fonda to create controversy and get the masses to confront important issues.  What value is free speech in the U.S. unless it pisses off some people?
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