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« Reply #75 on: November 29, 2003, 12:14:22 AM »
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complexity yes, sympathy, I dunno -- but I group Dirk and well, pretty much all the rest of them. Except for some reason Buck. I genuinely feel Buck got shafted way worse than he put himself out to be. Maybe that's why PTA gave him the bag of money...

I mean, as to Rollergirl, he even said himself on the commentary about those "I dunno" girls.

Also, I think you're reading way too much into the husband character in that scene. All the info presented was that he didn't want her to have custody (or much contact at all) with the kid, with very VERY valid reasons. Keep in mind we see her phoning and harassing him in the middle of the night while she snorts a rail. I mean, yes it was painful to watch Amber break down and cry (probably a testament to JM's great acting), but I didn't feel like she was unfairly treated. I feel like she was sleeping in a very bad bed she made for herself. Just like every character in the last half of the movie.


I guess I don't have a hard time sympathizing with people who've made mistakes and pay for it (especially as dearly as Amber pays for hers, or maybe "choice" is a better word than "mistake," as family life/porn life is probably a mutually exclusive choice for most people). I think it's self-righteous and arrogant to deny people sympathy because they're suffering for their own mistakes. Let's just put it this way: I firmly believe that if we all really got what we deserved, we'd all be fucked. A little grace, compassion, and empathy, or at the very least understanding, is almost always in order. Maybe our mistakes don't have such awful consequences, or maybe they just haven't caught up with us, but: It really breaks my heart when she's in there, under the judgmental, self-righteous prick eyes of Reagan and Bush in portraiture (here's where SoNowThen and I will surely disagree, as he finds PTA's films apolitical. I, on the other hand, don't feel like he would use an intertitle reading "80s," have a main character getting her life ruined under specifically chosen art direction depicting the ringleaders of that godawful era, or a black child helping himself to a rich white lady's wallet if he were entirely apolitical; to me, saying he's apolitical is equivalent to saying he's not entirely in control of his own mis en scene, and I happen to think he is), getting her soul torn out as payback for her bad choices.

And I don't think it's reading too much into it at all to say the ex-husband/father is something of a bully.

As for Rollergirl- I have a much easier time finding sympathy for people who are messed up, confused, and self-destructive than I do for people who are cruel, spiteful, and, again, bullies (the cruelty and bullying of her nemesis from high school, who also suffers from a little self-righteous streak that gets an ugly display in the back of the limo, finally results in a violence I feel is neither condemned nor endorsed by the filmmaker, though I do feel he finds it the inevitable result of such torment).
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« Reply #76 on: November 30, 2003, 09:35:55 PM »
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i've just checked the list, i think is nice to see Lynch as number one, i don't know if he's the best, but he is the most original of these years, and i'm sure no one would deny his name is one of the most important in the history of cinema....

ok, now about PTA, i love him and i would like to see him in a higher number, even so i think he's well when he is, seeing the names are before him...

Now, what are the Wachowski's brothers doing there??????? if the list would be about movies ok, i think Matrix is important for Hollywood yes, but they as filmmakers hmmmmmm...i have my doubts, and why are they over Lars von Trier????? :roll: uh?
and Soderbergh number 4?? hmmm...Soderbergh is a good filmmaker but i don't think THAT good....

and  WHERE WOODY ALLEN WAS???? :shock:
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« Reply #77 on: December 01, 2003, 06:52:34 AM »
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Now, what are the Wachowski's brothers doing there??????? if the list would be about movies ok, i think Matrix is important for Hollywood yes, but they as filmmakers hmmmmmm...i have my doubts


Well, I think the Wachowskis are there, because in a way they revolutionized Hollywood and cinema. Let me try to explain this... like,with The Matrix they introduced a new knd of special effects to films, visual effects and editing and whatever (I'm not very good with technical names for SFX). And then, they proceeded to create a very interesting thing, by creating two more films, the Animatrix and then the computer games, which allowed the fans to really get involved in The Matrix. I think they did a very important thing, by using every media they couldto communicate with their audiences. So I think we could call them big influences. I'm not the world's biggest Matrix fan (The Matrix = Very Good; Reloaded = Near Perfection; Revolutions = Huge Fucking Disappointment) but I admire what they did.

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and why are they over Lars von Trier?????  uh?
and Soderbergh number 4?? hmmm...Soderbergh is a good filmmaker but i don't think THAT good....

and WHERE WOODY ALLEN WAS????  
that's the problem with lists


On the other hand, I couldn't agree more with this.
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« Reply #78 on: December 03, 2003, 12:11:06 PM »
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Now, what are the Wachowski's brothers doing there??????? if the list would be about movies ok, i think Matrix is important for Hollywood yes, but they as filmmakers hmmmmmm...i have my doubts


Well, I think the Wachowskis are there, because in a way they revolutionized Hollywood and cinema. Let me try to explain this... like,with The Matrix they introduced a new knd of special effects to films, visual effects and editing and whatever (I'm not very good with technical names for SFX). And then, they proceeded to create a very interesting thing, by creating two more films, the Animatrix and then the computer games, which allowed the fans to really get involved in The Matrix. I think they did a very important thing, by using every media they couldto communicate with their audiences. So I think we could call them big influences. I'm not the world's biggest Matrix fan (The Matrix = Very Good; Reloaded = Near Perfection; Revolutions = Huge Fucking Disappointment) but I admire what they did.


well i get your point, and yes as creators of a new cinematographic language, i vote for them, BUT my question is:do they deserve to being on that list for Matrix only?? if i wouldn't have watched Reloaded and Revolutions i'd say: "hmmm, maybe",  but now i don't think so, cause to be a good filmmaker, i mean THAT good you must to show consistency, and sadly i didn't see that in Wachowskis bro's work, maybe you don't think like me, and that's right anyway...
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« Reply #79 on: December 03, 2003, 02:22:49 PM »
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noe's a fucking hack in my opinion. inifintile novelty act, a child desperate for anyone's attention -- its like  show and tell without any show and nothing to tell.
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« Reply #80 on: December 03, 2003, 04:09:04 PM »
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well i get your point, and yes as creators of a new cinematographic language, i vote for them, BUT my question is:do they deserve to being on that list for Matrix only?? if i wouldn't have watched Reloaded and Revolutions i'd say: "hmmm, maybe",  but now i don't think so, cause to be a good filmmaker, i mean THAT good you must to show consistency, and sadly i didn't see that in Wachowskis bro's work, maybe you don't think like me, and that's right anyway...


We should just ignore lists like this anyway  :wink:
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« Reply #81 on: December 03, 2003, 04:34:56 PM »
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well i get your point, and yes as creators of a new cinematographic language, i vote for them, BUT my question is:do they deserve to being on that list for Matrix only?? if i wouldn't have watched Reloaded and Revolutions i'd say: "hmmm, maybe",  but now i don't think so, cause to be a good filmmaker, i mean THAT good you must to show consistency, and sadly i didn't see that in Wachowskis bro's work, maybe you don't think like me, and that's right anyway...


We should just ignore lists like this anyway  :wink:


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« Reply #82 on: December 03, 2003, 04:42:59 PM »
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well i get your point, and yes as creators of a new cinematographic language, i vote for them, BUT my question is:do they deserve to being on that list for Matrix only?? if i wouldn't have watched Reloaded and Revolutions i'd say: "hmmm, maybe",  but now i don't think so, cause to be a good filmmaker, i mean THAT good you must to show consistency, and sadly i didn't see that in Wachowskis bro's work, maybe you don't think like me, and that's right anyway...


We should just ignore lists like this anyway  :wink:


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« Reply #83 on: August 11, 2011, 05:24:14 AM »
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The 30 Harshest Filmmaker-on-Filmmaker Insults In History

1. Francois Truffaut on Michelangelo Antonioni:
“Antonioni is the only important director I have nothing good to say about. He bores me; he’s so solemn and humorless.”

2. Ingmar Bergman on Michelangelo Antonioni:
“Fellini, Kurosawa, and Bunuel move in the same field as Tarkovsky. Antonioni was on his way, but expired, suffocated by his own tediousness.”

3. Ingmar Berman on Orson Welles:
“For me he’s just a hoax. It’s empty. It’s not interesting. It’s dead. Citizen Kane, which I have a copy of — is all the critics’ darling, always at the top of every poll taken, but I think it’s a total bore. Above all, the performances are worthless. The amount of respect that movie’s got is absolutely unbelievable.”

4. Ingmar Bergman on Jean-Luc Godard:
“I’ve never gotten anything out of his movies. They have felt constructed, faux intellectual, and completely dead. Cinematographically uninteresting and infinitely boring. Godard is a fucking bore. He’s made his films for the critics. One of the movies, Masculin, Féminin, was shot here in Sweden. It was mind-numbingly boring.”

5. Orson Welles on Jean-Luc Godard:
“His gifts as a director are enormous. I just can’t take him very seriously as a thinker — and that’s where we seem to differ, because he does. His message is what he cares about these days, and, like most movie messages, it could be written on the head of a pin.”

6. Werner Herzog on Jean-Luc Godard:
“Someone like Jean-Luc Godard is for me intellectual counterfeit money when compared to a good kung-fu film.”

7. Jean-Luc Godard on Quentin Tarantino:
“Tarantino named his production company after one of my films. He’d have done better to give me some money.”

8. Harmony Korine on Quentin Tarantino:
“Quentin Tarantino seems to be too concerned with other films. I mean, about appropriating other movies, like in a blender. I think it’s, like, really funny at the time I’m seeing it, but then, I don’t know, there’s a void there. Some of the references are flat, just pop culture.”

9. Nick Broomfield on Quentin Tarantino:
“It’s like watching a schoolboy’s fantasy of violence and sex, which normally Quentin Tarantino would be wanking alone to in his bedroom while this mother is making his baked beans downstairs. Only this time he’s got Harvey Weinstein behind him and it’s on at a million screens.”

10. Spike Lee on Quentin Tarantino (and the “n-word” in his scripts):
“I’m not against the word, and I use it, but not excessively. And some people speak that way. But, Quentin is infatuated with that word. What does he want to be made — an honorary black man?”

11. Spike Lee on Tyler Perry:
“We got a black president, and we going back to Mantan Moreland and Sleep ‘n’ Eat?”

12. Tyler Perry on Spike Lee
“Spike can go straight to hell! You can print that… Spike needs to shut the hell up!”

13. Clint Eastwood on Spike Lee:
“A guy like him should shut his face.”

14. Jacques Rivette on Stanley Kubrick:
“Kubrick is a machine, a mutant, a Martian. He has no human feeling whatsoever. But it’s great when the machine films other machines, as in 2001.”

15. Jacques Rivette on James Cameron (and Steven Spielberg):
“Cameron isn’t evil, he’s not an asshole like Spielberg. He wants to be the new De Mille. Unfortunately, he can’t direct his way out of a paper bag. “

16. Jean-Luc Godard on Steven Spielberg:
“I don’t know him personally. I don’t think his films are very good.”

17. Alex Cox on Steven Spielberg:
“Spielberg isn’t a filmmaker, he’s a confectioner.”

18. Tim Burton on Kevin Smith (after Smith jokingly accused Burton of stealing the ending of Planet of the Apes from a Smith comic book):
“Anyone who knows me knows I would never read a comic book. And I would especially never read anything created by Kevin Smith.”

19. Kevin Smith on Tim Burton (in response to “I would never read a comic book”):
“Which, to me, explains fucking Batman.”

20. Kevin Smith on Paul Thomas Anderson (specifically, Magnolia):
“I’ll never watch it again, but I will keep it. I’ll keep it right on my desk, as a constant reminder that a bloated sense of self-importance is the most unattractive quality in a person or their work.”

21. David Gordon Green on Kevin Smith:
“He kind of created a Special Olympics for film. They just kind of lowered the standard. I’m sure their parents are proud; it’s just nothing I care to buy a ticket for.”

22. Vincent Gallo on Spike Jonze:
“He’s the biggest fraud out there. If you bring him to a party he’s the least interesting person at the party, he’s the person who doesn’t know anything. He’s the person who doesn’t say anything funny, interesting, intelligent… He’s a pig piece of shit.”

23. Vincent Gallo on Martin Scorsese:
“I wouldn’t work for Martin Scorsese for $10 million. He hasn’t made a good film in 25 years. I would never work with an egomaniac has-been.”

24. Vincent Gallo on Sofia (and Francis Ford) Coppola:
“Sofia Coppola likes any guy who has what she wants. If she wants to be a photographer she’ll fuck a photographer. If she wants to be a filmmaker, she’ll fuck a filmmaker. She’s a parasite just like her fat, pig father was.”

25. Vincent Gallo on Abel Ferrara:
“Abel Ferrara was on so much crack when I did The Funeral, he was never on set. He was in my room trying to pick-pocket me.”

26. Werner Herzog on Abel Ferrara:
“I have no idea who Abel Ferrara is. But let him fight the windmills… I’ve never seen a film by him. I have no idea who he is. Is he Italian? Is he French? Who is he?”

27. David Cronenberg on M. Night Shymalan:
“I HATE that guy! Next question.”

28. Alan Parker on Peter Greenaway (specifically The Draughtsman’s Contact):
“A load of posturing poo-poo.”

29. Ken Russell on Sir Richard Attenborough:
“Sir Richard (‘I’m-going-to-attack-the-Establishment-fifty-years-after-it’s-dead’) Attenborough is guilty of caricature, a sense of righteous self-satisfaction, and repetition which all undermine the impact of the film.”

30. Uwe Boll on Michael Bay:
“I’m not a fucking retard like Michael Bay.”




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« Reply #84 on: August 11, 2011, 06:52:22 PM »
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lol@Kevin Smith creating a special Olympics of film.

Those were pretty good.
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