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« on: November 10, 2003, 10:24:44 AM »
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What happened to this wonderful genre?

PTA once expressed that he would like to do a western.

Who would be the best man/woman for the job? The job to resurrect the western genre? And who would be the star? Clint's too old.

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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2003, 10:48:05 AM »
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Good thread idea. Sparks of conversation about this genre has been appearing here and there lately with not much follow through by anyone on bring a comprehensive discussion about it.

I think the genre is dead. For some people, Open Range marked a return of the western in quality. It was a well made movie, but it just recreated a very classical movie. There is no relevance in the western anymore. With every western, there is a retreat to basic themes, consequences and solutions. The idea of solution (to my problems) is finding a way to actually get the western to speak for something unique in our times. Dramas do update their stories. Neil LaBute's In the Company of Men is a very strong and unique movie for something of our times told with filmmaking to specifically show that uniqueness. The Western is like an old parable where you know all the details and you hope it works to fulfil a nostalgic need.

In ways, I think The Good, The Bad & The Ugly was the death nail to the genre. It showed that the genre had milked itself clean of every character and plot trait that was going to be explored and so this film came along and essentially did a riff on the entire genre finally because it just could. Even by the late 60s, it seems everything that was said about the genre had already been said. Pulp Fiction, I think, had similiar consequences for the gangster film.

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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2003, 11:02:35 AM »
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Good thread idea. Sparks of conversation about this genre has been appearing here and there lately with not much follow through by anyone on bring a comprehensive discussion about it.

I think the genre is dead. For some people, Open Range marked a return of the western in quality. It was a well made movie, but it just updated a very classical movie. There is no relevance in the western anymore. With every western, there is a retreat to basic themes, consequences and solutions. The idea of solution (to my problems) is finding a way to actually get the western to speak for something unique in our times. Dramas do update their stories. Neil LaBute's In the Company of Men is a very strong and unique movie for something of our times told with filmmaking to specifically show that uniqueness. The Western is like an old parable where you know all the details and you hope it works to fulfil a nostalgic need.

In ways, I think The Good, The Bad & The Ugly was the death nail to the genre. It showed that the genre had milked itself clean of every character and plot trait that was going to be explored and so this film came along and essentially did a riff on the entire genre finally because it just could. Even by the late 60s, it seems everything that was said about the genre had already been said. Pulp Fiction, I think, had similiar consequences for the gangster film.


The epic roman genre was resurrected with Gladiator...like it or not but it was one hell of a comeback.

You may be right, the character's and everything we know as western have been milked out. It wouldn't be a western without the revolvers, hats and horses. And also, I don't think it would be good to set a western in contemporary Los Angeles or whatever.
I think the Coens would make a great Western.

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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2003, 11:22:22 AM »
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i think i agree with GT as far as the new westerns just trying to do what was good about the old westerns.  (although i think there were plenty of good westerns after TGTBATU, i loved Tombstone and Unforgiven are probably the most recent.) Open Range did feel like a story i'd heard before.  Raimi's The Quick And The Dead was a total homage to spaghetti westerns.  i love westerns and we do need someone to come along and bring something new to the table to revive them.  maybe Ridley Scott?
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2003, 11:35:58 AM »
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I have a feeling that Vol 2 of Kill Bill will help resurect westerns.  My dad used to always watch Westerns and I hated them.  Lately, most of my rentals have been westerns.  The genre may be dead but I think it is b/c of economic purposes.  Westerns thrived for so long b/c they were so cheap to make but I don't think so anymore.  There are very few places to go and film a western at and capture the needed authenticity.  I haven't seen Open Range, but it has been so long since I've seen Dances with Wolves, I think that deserves a rental.
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2003, 11:58:48 AM »
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And who would be the star?


Buck dude, Buck!

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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2003, 12:17:27 PM »
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The Vietnam War killed the Western. :(
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2003, 12:18:39 PM »
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The Vietnam War killed the Western. :(


The Vietnam War was a western.

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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2003, 12:21:34 PM »
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Yeah, and we lost. :(
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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2003, 12:23:27 PM »
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where's this thread going?

I shouldn't talk...I'm the expert in the area of getting threads off track :)

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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2003, 12:24:00 PM »
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Yeah, and we lost. :(


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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2003, 12:26:28 PM »
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.. i think marty could make a fine western.....

and billy crudup could play the lead....

and wilco could do the score....

and the runing time should be 2 hours and 47 minutes,,,,,,,

and the MPAA should give the film a R rating....

and they should give out free "10 Gallon" hats at the theatres to promote this.

and then they should make the dvd a three disk set.....

......... :2gunfire: .......

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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2003, 12:52:12 PM »
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The epic roman genre was resurrected with Gladiator...like it or not but it was one hell of a comeback.


In financial success terms, it was a comeback. It didn't add anything though to the genre.

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I think the Coens would make a great Western.


Thats not a good argument to pick with me here. I'd see the Coen brothers making a very fluff attempt at a western. Part of the movie would be dramatic in the convential sense, but most of the spirit would be disbelieving in the story and just really there to pick away at the cliches of the genre. Honestly, I'd like to see David Gordon Green above all make an attempt at doing a western. With Tarantino and PTA, I'd prolly see a lot of homage to older westerns which may put the film under the category of most westerns today.

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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2003, 01:01:09 PM »
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That might be true, that the Coens wouldn't add anything really...still, I'd love to see one from them.

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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2003, 01:02:44 PM »
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john waters..... :wink:

 

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