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« on: October 18, 2003, 06:55:36 PM »
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Well I guess I'll start this one. I just saw Casino today, fucking loved it, I love Scorsese so much. Someone on here once said they would give him a big hug if they ever saw him. Well dammit, that's how I felt watching this. God, he's so good.

Even though Casino seemed like a continuation of Goodfellas (only slightly), it still felt like a completely different film. Every Scorsesesque nuance made me happy. And the narration throughout always seemed appropriate. I think it made me cringe a lot more than usual and had the right tone, which I guess means I'm glad he didn't make this another happy-go-lucky feel like Goodfellas was. Very good shit.

And I might continue this next thought over on the PTA forum (if it hasn't been talked about exhaustedly already), but holy shit does PTA riff off of this movie or what? There were at least two iris-ins in Casino, both of which were really cool, and so many other things, I kept saying, "Magnolia! Boogie Nights! etc" I don't think this is a bad thing whatsoever. PTA uses them to his own advantage and it's nice to see him paying tribute here and there. Watching Casino, I saw so much of PTA and a good bit of Tarantino in there, it was a lot fun.
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2003, 08:13:33 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2003, 06:47:52 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2003, 07:03:06 AM »
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And by the way Casino does, indeed, kick a lot of ass. I love it soooooo much. Great fucking soundtrack, great acting by everybody, but the standout is, I think, Martin Scorsese. And by that, I mean that we can feel the man in every frame of the movie. It was made so passionately and with a great concern with the visuals, with the editing... it's just great. His boldest film to date. It worked, and we should all be thankful for that  8)
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2003, 01:55:49 PM »
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i think i should watch this again, cuz i feel bad for disliking it.  i appear to be the only one.........
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2003, 02:11:52 PM »
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And by the way Casino does, indeed, kick a lot of ass. I love it soooooo much. Great fucking soundtrack, great acting by everybody, but the standout is, I think, Martin Scorsese. And by that, I mean that we can feel the man in every frame of the movie. It was made so passionately and with a great concern with the visuals, with the editing... it's just great. His boldest film to date. It worked, and we should all be thankful for that  8)


And his acting was great at the end as the federal agent who rolls his eyes, hah! He's hard to spot I think because he dyed his eyebrows grey.
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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2003, 11:54:57 PM »
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The scene where De Niro just falls head over heels when seeing Stone for the first time is probably my favourite scene.

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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2003, 05:23:42 AM »
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And by the way Casino does, indeed, kick a lot of ass. I love it soooooo much. Great fucking soundtrack, great acting by everybody, but the standout is, I think, Martin Scorsese. And by that, I mean that we can feel the man in every frame of the movie. It was made so passionately and with a great concern with the visuals, with the editing... it's just great. His boldest film to date. It worked, and we should all be thankful for that  8)


And his acting was great at the end as the federal agent who rolls his eyes, hah! He's hard to spot I think because he dyed his eyebrows grey.


Well, I've never noticed him before in that scene :?

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The scene where De Niro just falls head over heels when seeing Stone for the first time is probably my favourite scene.


It's really good indeed. "Love is strange" is a damn strange song that plays so well onthat scene. I also love the quick zooms in that scene while Sharon Stone is playing some game in the casino. Yeah, the whole scene is great.

One of my personal favourites, however, is the one that plays (I think) just before the Ace/Ginger meeting: it's the sequence where "in a Casino, everybody has to watch everybody else". Again, the editing and the music ("Compared to what") are just perfect. The movie has a lot of really great scenes. Scorsese rules.
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2003, 10:24:40 AM »
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Agree with everybody, probably my favourite MS film, the acting, cinematogrphy and directing are flawless, but particularly the editing is amazing, Thelma Schoonmaker did an incredible job (BTW, did she did it alone or with MS? she's the only credited though), and as usual it was snobbed by the academy (I know, fuck them), they didn't even nominated it.

This film would be cool to be seen while chatting.

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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2003, 10:35:46 AM »
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MS for sure sat in on the edit, as he does with all his pictures.

Yes, this flick is oh so brilliant...
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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2003, 11:14:21 AM »
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MS for sure sat in on the edit, as he does with all his pictures.

Yes, this flick is oh so brilliant...


Yeah, Scorsese controls every aspect of his films. And he said before that he doesn't really like the filming process. What he really loves is when he gets into the editing room where he can really start to construct the movie he imagined.
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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2003, 12:55:11 PM »
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The scene where De Niro just falls head over heels when seeing Stone for the first time is probably my favourite scene.


That's one of my favorite cinema moments ever...

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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2003, 01:18:50 PM »
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Goodfellas and Casino are Scorsese's two best films of genre. They are so wonderfully thought out, crafted and enjoyable that they can't be denied even if Scorsese is turning his back on many of the most rewarding values of his earlier films. Think Soderbergh moving over to Ocean's Eleven and instantly excelling in talent for the dwindling genre. These are genre films that of satisfaction. And not a bad thing at all; Kurosawa's most influential film for me is High and Low. Its genre, but his style is at its most brilliance in shot to shot process and focus of how to tell the story. So much of that film has been my own personal film school in analyzing.

I do think Goodfellas and Casino are nearly the same. Many ingrediants, besides a crucial one, are carried over from Goodfellas to Casino. The style is the same. The background of story is there with mafia and focus on its excesses. This provides many simililarities in building the drama, as in to see a rise and fall. The "rise" in both films feel very alike in many ways besides the matter of fine print for each. The difference is that Goodfellas spoke for the general feeling of the Mafia; Casino is the rise and fall of a man.

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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2003, 01:22:45 PM »
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and also Goodfellas is like a cinema verite doc about a mafia lifestyle, whereas Casino is much more centered (if you can overlook the first 30 min doc-style expository portion) on the Greek tragedy type triangle. Marty says he was going for more of a "paradise lost, fall of man" thing in Casino, which makes it more of a classical make-up, to Goodfellas' modern french new wave riffs.

and so on and so on...
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When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2003, 01:27:56 PM »
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My favorite scene is probably where he spots the two guys cheating. I dunno, that was just soooo fucking money! I like the Greek triangle idea, it really works.
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