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Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
« on: September 25, 2003, 05:21:00 AM »
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In an interview in the Empire magazine, November, Quentin got all riled up about The Matrix and the use of evil CGI in movies. This hatred apparently started when director Luc Besson brought Keanu Reeves to an early screening of Kill Bill.
 
'I watched Keanu watching and I suddenly felt it. You know, my guys are all real. There's no computer fucking around. I'm sick to death of all that shit. This is old school with fucking cameras. If i'd wanted all that computer game bullshit, I'd have gone home and stuck my dick in my Nintendo.
 
'This CGI bullshit is the death knell of cinema. Movies are far too fucking expensive at the moment and it's killing the fucking art form. The way it's going, in ten year's time it will officially be killed.'
 
Well said Tarantino!

Anyway, what you guys all think of the new trailer?

If you haven't seen it's here
http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1808404742&cf=trailer

I think it might be on the official site too, im not sure. please don't kill me if im repeating shit here.

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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2003, 05:40:03 AM »
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Re: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2003, 09:35:17 AM »
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Quote from: Brock Landers
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(and i apologize if this is out of context and doesnt work)

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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2003, 09:45:07 AM »
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Wait a minute... I'm confused...

if QT had mentioned Westerns, or My Cousin Vinny, this would work... but as it stands it just disrupts everything. Dammit, Cecil, it's just no good.
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2003, 09:49:12 AM »
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2003, 11:07:04 AM »
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Quote from: Brock Landers
In an interview in the Empire magazine, November, Quentin got all riled up about The Matrix and the use of evil CGI in movies. This hatred apparently started when director Luc Besson brought Keanu Reeves to an early screening of Kill Bill.
 
'I watched Keanu watching and I suddenly felt it. You know, my guys are all real. There's no computer fucking around. I'm sick to death of all that shit. This is old school with fucking cameras. If i'd wanted all that computer game bullshit, I'd have gone home and stuck my dick in my Nintendo.
 
'This CGI bullshit is the death knell of cinema. Movies are far too fucking expensive at the moment and it's killing the fucking art form. The way it's going, in ten year's time it will officially be killed.'
 
Well said Tarantino!

Anyway, what you guys all think of the new trailer?

If you haven't seen it's here
http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1808404742&cf=trailer

I think it might be on the official site too, im not sure. please don't kill me if im repeating shit here.


- totally disagree w/ him here. u mean to tell me he hasn't used any cgi in kill bill? from the looks of the trailer a good majority of those shots (the bullet from the gun, the plane) are comepltely cgi!

i don't get what the big deal is here. cgi is a tool just like anything else, and when its done right it works.

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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2003, 12:52:56 PM »
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- totally disagree w/ him here. u mean to tell me he hasn't used any cgi in kill bill? from the looks of the trailer a good majority of those shots (the bullet from the gun, the plane) are comepltely cgi!

i don't get what the big deal is here. cgi is a tool just like anything else, and when its done right it works.


fuck yeah.  i obviously respect Tarantinos opinion but i mean it was the Wachowskis stylistic choice to try to advance the film.

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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2003, 01:52:39 PM »
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I think he's just exaggerating to make a point here but  he's right in many respects.

the point he's making really is, CGI is expensive> through its overuse people expect more and more of it> more money goes into big effects movies> less money allocated for smaller films.

thats just a line of thought I dont know how true it is. But whats interesting here is that Tarantino has just made (hopefully) a brilliant action movie to rival its recent 'compeitiors' in that genre, using traditional techniques, that perhaps work out a lot better.

Yes, he's obviously used some CGI, but as with most films, this works best sparingly.

I often wonder how well a full blown, summer action movie directed by PTA, Tarantino or other greats would turn out.
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2003, 01:58:09 PM »
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Tarantino cracks my shit up.
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2003, 05:37:08 PM »
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i don't see too big a difference btwn. cgi and animation. they both have the power/freedom to manipulate images. kill bill has animation in it yes? where do u draw the line btwn. that and cgi? they're both done on computers. no sense it makes.

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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2003, 07:07:00 PM »
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Animation is completely different than CGI. For Tarantino and animation, I don't think he is using animation in his film more than to add a minor layer and have another element of his film in direct reference to another big thing in asian cinema, the japenese anime. Kill Bill seems to be him commenting on the Asian cinema he was influenced by.

Animation though is its own world. CGI gets criticized because it is trying to replace other special effects in real life movies. The effect just isn't that good. Yea, many movies with CGI are sci fi films so using artificial effects can't really be ignored, but with CGI in comparison to more traditional effects in older sci fi films, the quality just isn't as good. Its believability as being real just isn't there the same way other effects, such as real models and such, can represent in those kind of movies. Its just the use of CGI are in basic movies and carry an artificiality that doesn't complement the basic movies as much. Animation films are great because they are only animation and withing that world.

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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2003, 10:55:32 PM »
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i don't see too big a difference btwn. cgi and animation. they both have the power/freedom to manipulate images. kill bill has animation in it yes? where do u draw the line btwn. that and cgi? they're both done on computers. no sense it makes.


Animation is meant to be noticed, cgi isn't.
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2003, 02:45:31 PM »
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i don't see too big a difference btwn. cgi and animation. they both have the power/freedom to manipulate images. kill bill has animation in it yes? where do u draw the line btwn. that and cgi? they're both done on computers. no sense it makes.


Animation is meant to be noticed, cgi isn't.


what, u've never seen crappy animation before?

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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2003, 06:13:30 PM »
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That shot of the plane in the trailer is obviously a model shot. I wasn't sure about the bullet, but now that I've seen the whole shot in its context, I'm pretty sure that's not CGI either. I think the only thing he used it for was to erase the wires.

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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2003, 10:51:55 PM »
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Agree with Tarantino 100%%%%%%!!!!!!
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