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« Reply #90 on: September 03, 2003, 04:10:49 PM »
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This SoNowThen guy seems like he gets the point, even if he doesn't realize it.  Also I love Jacques Demy, I don't want people to think I don't believe in naive love stories, other than that feel free to think what ever you like about myself, some anonomys "prick"/Andy Worhal enthusiast who just wants to see how much attention he can create and how it evolves.  Who here thinks Ron Sheldon is a genious.  I do, much more than PTA ever will, dead serious about that.
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« Reply #91 on: September 03, 2003, 05:47:43 PM »
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this guy is fucking the man.


Damn!!! I am also fucking the man. Looks like the man is a two timing bastard.
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« Reply #92 on: September 03, 2003, 05:49:01 PM »
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Who here thinks Ron Sheldon is a genious.  I do, much more than PTA ever will, dead serious about that.


Ok, so here's the thing. Now you're just fucking around. Really. Post somewhere else about something else instead of coming here to blatantly trash PTA just to piss people off. Do it. Post something different somewhere else. I dare you.


by the way, is it just me or does this guy's.. tone.. seem a little different? i'm pretty sure he's just somebody from around here...

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« Reply #93 on: September 03, 2003, 07:43:40 PM »
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or somebody that used to be around here

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« Reply #94 on: September 03, 2003, 08:07:12 PM »
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Hey, one or the other. He just seems to be fooling around with what he says. It's like pointlessly toying with us. I think the thread should be deleted entirely but it took up a lot of people's time...

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« Reply #95 on: September 03, 2003, 09:49:25 PM »
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all of this...nonsense...aside....eh....PTA is pretty damn great though...

I mean, c'mon, he's made four of the best films ever made.  A true artist..
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« Reply #96 on: September 04, 2003, 12:49:15 AM »
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First, this thread was criticism against PTA. Then a general bad reaction to the guy for being so blanketing in his assault. Then the guy demanding for "actual argument. Actual Argument. Guy debating only minor criticisms of his post. More criticism of how everyone is just bashing the guy. The guy revelling in his new fame for bashing PTA and posting off that. Other minor stuff.

I looked for merit in what the guy said, I really did. I can identify with his position. Its just that when he seemed to get some meaty replies, he backed off completely and only replied like he could see half the posts. I, personally, saw so many holes in his arguments that are so general they could be attributed to problems of directors he says PTA is minor when compared to. Nothing really summed up a full thought out opinion on why PTA, himself, is a poor director.

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« Reply #97 on: September 04, 2003, 07:12:24 PM »
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yeah....fuck um

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« Reply #98 on: September 05, 2003, 02:16:21 AM »
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admins...permission to ruin this thread?...as you all know I can...

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« Reply #99 on: September 05, 2003, 08:16:40 PM »
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yeah....fuck um

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« Reply #100 on: September 06, 2003, 12:01:29 PM »
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yeah....fuck um

the admins?...no dude, that's gross.  They are all dudes...I tell ya thou, if I had to pick...a goatsed fat guy in his mid 30's.  :wink:

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« Reply #101 on: September 06, 2003, 01:04:02 PM »
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Without character development, there would be no story in character driven screenplays/movies. For the characters' 'arc' should drive the story. They have to learn a lesson, or have a change of heart, something that will take us along on their journey (look to Truffaut movies for this example too - Jules and Jim, 400 Blows, etc.). And because we will know what they seek, we, as the audience, will feel for them if they reach their goal, or not achieve it in the end. It's because we have invested our feelings and emotions that we empathize with them. And, in the end, isn't that what makes great cinema?



That's what has made 'great' Classical Hollywood cinema, but what about films that aren't out to hook you into that kind of identification? That are 'great' on an aesthetic, cinematic level? I would say that Punch-Drunk Love is great because of its style, not because of the characters, who really are rather thinly drawn. The emotional engagement works in a way that is not at all similar to what you describe. I think cinemascope, serious or not, might have been trying to suggest that stylistically PTA's movies are nothing special, but he would be wrong about PDL. The whole reason it's difficult is because it doesn't do what you are saying and people are therefore clueless when it comes to reading it.

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« Reply #102 on: September 06, 2003, 01:15:17 PM »
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I would say that Punch-Drunk Love is great because of its style, not because of the characters, who really are rather thinly drawn.


I'm pretty sure I agree with that. But is Barry really thinly drawn, or is he just alien? I think his character is actually thick (though not consistent), and only easy to identify with in strange undefinable ways.
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« Reply #103 on: September 06, 2003, 01:36:10 PM »
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and only easy to identify with in strange undefinable ways.

yes,...I dunno if being thin (or thick) is a bad thing though.  I know myself, found at least something about Barry which holds true of me.  And I don't think I am the only one either.  Developing him in a thin incosistant way helps him to be more identifiable.  He is very vulnerable, as we all can be.  That I think is easy to identify with...and that's not necessarly a bad thing either.

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« Reply #104 on: September 06, 2003, 04:46:13 PM »
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I don't know how Barry could be thinly drawn. I've seen all of Sandler's work and usually his characters do the same things. This time around it was moving. Sandler had more layers in PDL. It's hard to identify with a guy who has 7 abusive sisters, when you think about it... not many of us know what thats really like but we can imagine that its shit. When he spontaneously breaks things, I felt that worked because of his pent up rage. I know people like that. That can just snap to release anger and such (not that they've smashed my windows in or tried to destroy my bathroom). I felt Egan had a lot more depth here compared to his other pictures, but even aside from his other work, I found it wasn't thinly drawn at all.

 

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