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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2003, 11:41:42 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2003, 09:50:44 AM »
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I find nothing wrong with making big movies like then when you're 17, but don't act like you're something else.  It looks to me like this kid is trying to front like he's all perceptive, and he's got some great outlook on life, when we all doubt that he does (and plus we're jealous, at least I know I am).  They say "Write what you know."  If the kid knows some great profound things, great.  If he doesn't, but he still tries to write something, then it comes off lame.  And the same goes for everyone.  That's why I a lot of times I don't try to "say something" important in my scripts, because frankly, what I have to say it's that amazing and pertinent in society these days.  But what ever happened to art for the sake of art?  One thing I loved and still love about Seinfeld is that at the end of the day, there's no hugging or crying, meaning there's no "oh, he's engaged, let's all go 'awww'" or "uh oh, Kramer got his feelings hurt.  Play the sad music!"  And I think if you don't have a great outlook on things to reveal in a film, then just make it cuz you love making film!  Why am I saying all this?  I totally forgot.

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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2003, 05:41:43 PM »
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I find nothing wrong with making big movies like then when you're 17, but don't act like you're something else.  It looks to me like this kid is trying to front like he's all perceptive, and he's got some great outlook on life, when we all doubt that he does (and plus we're jealous, at least I know I am).  They say "Write what you know."  If the kid knows some great profound things, great.  If he doesn't, but he still tries to write something, then it comes off lame.  And the same goes for everyone.  That's why I a lot of times I don't try to "say something" important in my scripts, because frankly, what I have to say it's that amazing and pertinent in society these days.  But what ever happened to art for the sake of art?  One thing I loved and still love about Seinfeld is that at the end of the day, there's no hugging or crying, meaning there's no "oh, he's engaged, let's all go 'awww'" or "uh oh, Kramer got his feelings hurt.  Play the sad music!"  And I think if you don't have a great outlook on things to reveal in a film, then just make it cuz you love making film!  Why am I saying all this?  I totally forgot.


maybe this belongs in the what is/isnt art discussion

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« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2003, 09:54:26 PM »
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i'd love to see chris smith make a doc off of this kid.  that'd be something.

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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2003, 01:32:02 AM »
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The poor bastard doesn't know what he's getting into... ulcer by 22, heart attack by 25, cancer by 28... jeez kid, take your time...


But he wants to "live life".. most likely a la Finding Forrester (except with lots of money). Which is more than depressing.

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i'd love to see chris smith make a doc off of this kid.  that'd be something.


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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2003, 03:05:01 AM »
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woohooo...one of my alum.....oh wait, I bailed out early....ah....cool to see his name mentioned though.

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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2003, 05:21:53 AM »
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woohooo...one of my alum.....oh wait, I bailed out early....ah....cool to see his name mentioned though.


maybe had you not pulled out early he wouldnt be one of your alum butt a steady bum bum drum...

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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2003, 11:04:42 AM »
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Maybe this is where we revive the Jennifer Connelly "ass to ass" conversation.
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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2003, 06:03:36 PM »
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i'd love to see chris smith make a doc off of this kid.  that'd be something.


...or Terry Zwigoff.



ooh, even better...

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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2003, 04:40:34 AM »
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I'm 15 years old and soon I'll start to shoot a short (see thread "Some questions").
But curiously I never had the desire to go to Hollywood as a filmmaker. I don't know, for me it's like a factory of nightmare. I mean, when I'll be someday a real director (hopefully) I don't want to end in Hollywood as big blockbuster director.
I would like to be an independent filmmaker, who makes small low-budget-films.
My favourite films are "Magnolia", "A Clockwork Orange", "Once Upon a Time in America", "Taxi Driver" and "Heavenly Creatures" and my favourite directors are Peter Jackson, P.T. Anderson and Martin Scorsese.
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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2003, 08:27:23 AM »
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I'm 15 years old and soon I'll start to shoot a short (see thread "Some questions").
But curiously I never had the desire to go to Hollywood as a filmmaker. I don't know, for me it's like a factory of nightmare. I mean, when I'll be someday a real director (hopefully) I don't want to end in Hollywood as big blockbuster director.
I would like to be an independent filmmaker, who makes small low-budget-films.
My favourite films are "Magnolia", "A Clockwork Orange", "Once Upon a Time in America", "Taxi Driver" and "Heavenly Creatures" and my favourite directors are Peter Jackson, P.T. Anderson and Martin Scorsese.


i wish u lots of luck. i think u have the right idea in attempting to make small, low-budget independent films in ur own country. and who knows, one day if u make a good one, u might get the opportunity to jump back and forth between hollywood mainstream stuff and ur own, kinda like what lee tamahori did w/ once were warriors, or what ang lee used to do.

remember ur still really young, and have plenty of time.

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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2003, 08:31:59 AM »
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wow ©banger, i didn't know u knew lee tamahori. is that common knowledge out there? well, i'm impressed u gave him a shout out.
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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2003, 09:02:47 AM »
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well we watched once were warriors in contemp. film criticism, so that's how i was introduced to him. im not sure how well known he is around here, but i know a couple of my buddies in england were very familiar w/ once were warriors, which is a remarkable film.

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« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2003, 09:39:35 AM »
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it's pretty well known over here, it's been on tv several times.

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« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2003, 04:23:11 PM »
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I'm 15 years old and soon I'll start to shoot a short (see thread "Some questions").
But curiously I never had the desire to go to Hollywood as a filmmaker. I don't know, for me it's like a factory of nightmare. I mean, when I'll be someday a real director (hopefully) I don't want to end in Hollywood as big blockbuster director.
I would like to be an independent filmmaker, who makes small low-budget-films.
My favourite films are "Magnolia", "A Clockwork Orange", "Once Upon a Time in America", "Taxi Driver" and "Heavenly Creatures" and my favourite directors are Peter Jackson, P.T. Anderson and Martin Scorsese.


That's great, man. You're on the right track. Just watch absolutely everything you can (old, indie, foreign, cult), and keep up the love of movies!!! Oh, and check out the local university library for their film section. Usually you can use your public library card to check stuff out (I think...). There's lots of killer books to add insight we just may not be able to get to those older flicks.
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