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« on: June 26, 2003, 01:24:38 AM »
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I feel like starting a volatile thread! And one that, aside from detours in other discussions, has been a long time in coming.

I think Spike Lee is brash, arrogant, egotistical, sometimes annoying and also one of the greatest filmmakers, period. Although his track record isn't as good, I think his talent is comparable to and even equal with Scorsese's. Aside from their mutual love of New York, their styles have a gritty, in your face brashness.

Lee's best films, in order (and in my opinion) are

1. Do The Right Thing
2. Malcom X
3. He Got Game
4. 25th Hour

I'd like to provide a counterpoint to an arguement of Onamotopoeia's, who in another thread, said that he thought Malcom X was Lee's worst film, a piece of racist propaganda, if I remember correctly. I don't understand this opinion at all; it's as if he rented the VHS but didn't watch the second tape. Malcom clearly rejects the teachings of the Nation Of Islam in the last act of the film and coming to the realization that equality is the only true solution; indeed, the Nation is blatantly accused of assasinating him. The film supports nothign if not racial harmony (it's also just a brilliant piece of filmmaking, marred only by Lee's own mugging for the camera in the early scenes).

So anyway...let's discuss this guy.

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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2003, 01:43:56 AM »
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i would agree with most of what you said.  his films are ALWAYS thought provoking which is a good thing in the "we don't wanna think!" mentality of americans today.  

but sometimes he's just annoying and foolish like his bashing of quentin tarantino's JACKIE BROWN.  he really didn't like the was tarantino used the n-word so many times in that particular film but he's ok with it in PULP FICTION.  and wasn't tarantino in GIRL 6?

and his rant about the new TNN changing it's name to spike TV.  he's actually suing (sp?) the people @ TNN for ripping off his name.  hey spike lee!  they didn't name the muthafucka after you!  your real name isn't even spike.  maybe it was named after spike jonze, but wait that's not his real name either.  

i'd come up with a top 5 of my favorite spike lee films but as so it stands i only have a top 4

1.  DO THE RIGHT THING
2.  MALCOLM X
3.  BAMBOOZLED
4.  THE 25th HOUR
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2003, 02:23:33 AM »
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Quote from: Ghostboy
I feel like starting a volatile thread!


thats not volatile, now this is volatile.............

spike lee is a damn dirty fucking nigger and he has a chink last name, And his film crooklyn caused Robert urich to die of cancer

Now thats volatile, racist and misguided sure, maybe a bit off on the robert urich thing, i mean he could of had a smoking habbit :: shruggs:: who knows

but smoking or not this a volatile post non the less , is it  Representative of the mambo squad in anyway???

hardly,  we love School daze, and also were fond of Asian surnames

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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2003, 08:20:18 AM »
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Quote from: Ghostboy
I feel like starting a volatile thread!


thats not volatile, now this is volatile.............

spike lee is a damn dirty fucking nigger and he has a chink last name, And his film crooklyn caused Robert urich to die of cancer

Now thats volatile, racist and misguided sure, maybe a bit off on the robert urich thing, i mean he could of had a smoking habbit :: shruggs:: who knows

but smoking or not this a volatile post non the less , is it  Representative of the mambo squad in anyway???

hardly,  we love School daze, and also were fond of Asian surnames


Not only is this a pretty funny post, its also your thousandth.  Congrats...

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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2003, 09:29:32 AM »
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summer of sam is cool
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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2003, 09:31:14 AM »
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he really didn't like the was tarantino used the n-word so many times in that particular film


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and yes, summer of sam is cool. a very good film

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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2003, 09:59:11 AM »
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1. Do The Right Thing
2. Summer Of Sam
3. 25th Hour
4. X
5. Bamboozled

Spike is one of the best filmmakers out there, and a damn interesting person. He can be misguided at times, sure, but that just makes him more fun to watch. And whether you like him or not, you gotta admit, the guys got balls.
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2003, 10:02:26 AM »
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Summer Of Sam   :yabbse-thumbup:  :yabbse-thumbup:


He does the best focus pulls. I usually find them annoying in movies, but not in his.
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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2003, 12:31:08 PM »
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What are focus pulls? You might have to use a specific example to make me understand. Anyway...Spike Lee...

do the right thing
jungle fever
25th hour
he got game
clockers

That's all I've seen and I love them all, except Clockers which I really don't get. Yea, he is a great filmmaker. I'd be interested in Summer of Sam as well as Malcolm X. I tried to watch School Daze once but it seemed stupid and boring. Bamboozled seemed pretty bad too. Nobody ever said he was perfect and that's perfectly fine with me.

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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2003, 12:37:03 PM »
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Quote from: Ghostboy
I feel like starting a volatile thread! And one that, aside from detours in other discussions, has been a long time in coming.

I think Spike Lee is brash, arrogant, egotistical, sometimes annoying and also one of the greatest filmmakers, period. Although his track record isn't as good, I think his talent is comparable to and even equal with Scorsese's. Aside from their mutual love of New York, their styles have a gritty, in your face brashness.

Lee's best films, in order (and in my opinion) are

1. Do The Right Thing
2. Malcom X
3. He Got Game
4. 25th Hour

I'd like to provide a counterpoint to an arguement of Onamotopoeia's, who in another thread, said that he thought Malcom X was Lee's worst film, a piece of racist propaganda, if I remember correctly. I don't understand this opinion at all; it's as if he rented the VHS but didn't watch the second tape. Malcom clearly rejects the teachings of the Nation Of Islam in the last act of the film and coming to the realization that equality is the only true solution; indeed, the Nation is blatantly accused of assasinating him. The film supports nothign if not racial harmony (it's also just a brilliant piece of filmmaking, marred only by Lee's own mugging for the camera in the early scenes).

So anyway...let's discuss this guy.

Tomorrow, I'm going to go out and check out Malcolm X (if it's at my university's library), among other films of Lee's, because I need to give them another chance (and some a first chance).  Bamboozled sounds like a brilliant premise, though I know critics didn't like it.  25th Hour didn't even come to theatres here, when it may very well have been one of the best films of 2002.  Really unfortunate.  In short, Lee is one of the best directors around, despite what I agree with you about: his brash attitude.

See, I was blown away by Do The Right Thing.  Its dance with Rosie Perez is one of the best openings in film ever.  And all throughout the film his use of color is excellent.  John Tuturro, Danny Aiello, and Spike Lee himself all put in great performances, and while the ending was controversial, it really couldn't have ended any other way.  In a film criticism class I took, we watched this, and one of the points brought up was no black person has ever asked if Mookie "did the right thing."  Whites do all the time.  I still think it was wrong of Mookie to vandalise Sal's property, then have the gaul to come in the next day and ask for his paycheck.  But then again, if Mookie didn't Sal probably would have been killed by the mob.

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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2003, 12:38:56 PM »
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only seen...

-THE 25TH HOUR  :yabbse-thumbup:
-SUMMER OF SAM  :yabbse-thumbup:
-HE GOT GAME  :yabbse-thumbup:  
-DO THE RIGHT THING  :yabbse-thumbup:

some of his movies just dont interest me although i would like to see Malcolm X, Clockers, and maybe Jungle Fever (because i remember hearing so much about it when it came out).

edit: WAIT! forgot about GIRL 6  :yabbse-thumbdown:  :(
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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2003, 12:41:42 PM »
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Definitely see Jungle Fever...if you don't like it I can guarantee you will at least be moved by John Turturro and Annabella Sciorra's preformances. It is impossible not to be. Michael Imperioli and this other italian guy are great too as Angie's brothers. Then there's Samuel L Jackson in one of his many great roles which I think he won Best Actor for at Cannes. There's so many great little parts that amount to something great overall.

One warning, a lot of it's greatness doesn't have much to do with Wesley Snipes.

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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2003, 12:50:51 PM »
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What are focus pulls?


Focus pulls are when the focus changes from one object to another in the middle of a shot. Most often used to call attention to a new element in a shot. I'm sure someone with cap capabilities can get you a good 'before and after' screen grab example...

For the record, one of the most amazing focus pulls I've ever seen was in a Kids In The Hall sketch...but I don't remember which one.

Anyway, back to Spike. Clockers was the first film of his I saw; it was actually originally going to be directed by Scorsese, but he decided to give it to Spike and just produce instead.

That opening sequence in Do The Right Thing is indeed one of the most brilliant intros ever. It's so in your face! The colors are just eye-popping, and of course 'Fight The Power' is an awesome anthem.

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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2003, 12:58:11 PM »
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Oh ok, doesn't Scorsese do a lot of focus pulls?

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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2003, 02:08:25 PM »
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It used to kind of bug me when he puts the characters on a moving platform along with the camera. I used to think it was kind of distracting, but in 25th Hour he manages to make it look good. The shots in the club where he uses the technique are fantastic.

 

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