The Leader of the Homeland

[Duck Sauce]

anyone seen the anti-peta ads?

[aclockworkjj]

anyone seen the anti-peta ads?

there doesn't need to be any anti-peta ads...they do enough dumb shit all by their lonesome.  Brewers sausage race protest...enough for me to consider them a buncha bored weiners...hehe.

[godardian]

anyone seen the anti-peta ads?

I don't know of any presidential candidate in their right mind who would come out pro-PETA. So... maybe we'd be more on topic with this if we started a pro-cruelty-to-animals thread where we can talk about eating our housecats and kids' hamsters for dinner. What ethical difference is there between that and eating a cow or sheep? It's just an amoral, unethical, purely socialized difference. What really makes my sense of decency cringe is when some asshole is mocking other cultures for eating horses and dogs, then biting into a hamburger. That is the height of mindless, ultrahypocritical stupidity.

I, however, share PETA's views about 80% of the time. My main issue with them is, as ajj seems to be trying to say, they don't choose their battles very wisely and do make themselves seem more ridiculous than necessary.

[Duck Sauce]

wow godardian, you might be more left than JB

[Jeremy Blackman]

wow godardian, you might be more left than JB

I don't know. I agree with his last post.  

[molly]

Human being is an omnivor. The shape of teeth say so. But there is a reasonable amount of meat that  is considered healthy to eat.
I don't agree that hunting should be a sport.
I read the other day that somewhere in the USA people are bowling with  frozen turkeys - THAT is horible. There are people on universities and institutes who make sure that lab animals don't suffer more than they have to, or that they are treated with due respect,even when dead. People and children die of hunger and these idiots throw frozen turkeys for fun! Makes you wanna do something about it right that moment. Anyway, I generally think that PETA people are maybe alittlebit nutty and hysterical. It's easy to love a fish in the acquarium, a lot easier than to love humans, sometimes.

[aclockworkjj]

My main issue with them is, as ajj seems to be trying to say, they don't choose their battles very wisely and do make themselves seem more ridiculous than necessary.

exactly...don't get me wrong, i am not this "down with peta" type person, as i do think they do a lot of good.  I just wish they would focus more so on the mis-treatment of animals than the petty searching for a reason to bitch.  Let's face it..some animals are raised to be eaten.  Whether or not you agree with it, or choose to partake in a bloody steak is up to you. I don't think PETA should need to enlighten anyone on their taste buds.  However; in this process a lot of animals are treated very poorly.  That is garbabge to me...out of respect to the animal.  I had a friend that came out to california last summer to work on an animal rescue farm (she was a hardcore vegan..go figure).  Anyways, i went up to visit for a weekend, and i saw shit no meat eating human should ever have to see.  No need to paint a picture.  I really don't eat a lot of meat to begin with, but now even more so.  I like bacon though, it's my downfall as a shitty animal eater.  Peta's cause is a good...but they need to stay focused instead of just trying to have a voice heard.  I mean...a sausage race?  

One topic that pertains to this is what pro skater Bob Burnquist is doing (sorry, but he is one of the most interesting and kick ass  guys in the industy i am stuck working in).  Here is his latest deal, he used to have the coolest little brazilan vegatarian joint in SoCal...but unfortunately, he closed it.

[molly]

I don't like vegeterian restaurants either. they fry too much.

[godardian]

I don't like vegeterian restaurants either. they fry too much.

That's a pretty valid point. A lot of vegetarian food isn't as healthy as it could be. You could technically be a vegetarian and eat nothing but cookies.

I'm a big fan of the soy stuff, though. That's often healthy and tasty without being too fatty or sugary. Protein without killing- that's my way to go.

You're pretty level-headed about the biology of humans, too, molly. For me, one of the most painful things about being human is deciding when to be the animal part and when to be the humane (non-animal) part. For me, though, I'm not comfortable indulging the carnivore in me. It seems like something I should be able to get beyond; because I can think about it and weigh the right and wrong of it, that seems to be a compelling reason for me not to eat meat.

I always say that if we humans did everything "naturally," the world would be complete chaos. We've done a good job of repressing a lot of positive natural things in us and giving free rein to a lot of destructive natural things in us, though. We're still learning (evolving) as a species, I think. I hope.  

[RegularKarate]

wow godardian, you might be more left than JB

I don't know. I agree with his last post.  

aw, JB, don't get jealous



PS Meat is Marvelous

[Pas]

we can talk about eating our housecats and kids' hamsters for dinner. What ethical difference is there between that and eating a cow or sheep?

I am totally against animal cruelty whatsoever and about 80% vegetarian, but I find that sentence manipulative...it's a perfect sophism exemple that I'll probably use in my essay next week though.

You use "a kid's hamster" instead of "a hamster" to moraly compare with eating "a cow" and not "a kid's cow". Even a the most pro-meat would disagree with eating a kid's animal.

Just saying.

[godardian]

Even the most pro-meat would disagree with eating a kid's animal.

True, but that's hypocritical, was my (maybe a little manipulative but not false) point. All sentiment and no reality, to think it's okay to butcher cows but to allow pets their personalities. If you paid as much attention to a cow as you paid to your cat or hamster, it would develop a "personality" too, and you'd have a much harder time killing it.

[Raikus]

Even the most pro-meat would disagree with eating a kid's animal.

True, but that's hypocritical, was my (maybe a little manipulative but not false) point. All sentiment and no reality, to think it's okay to butcher cows but to allow pets their personalities. If you paid as much attention to a cow as you paid to your cat or hamster, it would develop a "personality" too, and you'd have a much harder time killing it.

But there's an organization who does just this--4H. Mostly made up of girls who raise a cow from calf, feed it daily, comb it, etc. and then end up selling it in a cattle sale most likely to someone who's going to butcher it.

Now is that wrong or capitalism?

[godardian]

Even the most pro-meat would disagree with eating a kid's animal.

True, but that's hypocritical, was my (maybe a little manipulative but not false) point. All sentiment and no reality, to think it's okay to butcher cows but to allow pets their personalities. If you paid as much attention to a cow as you paid to your cat or hamster, it would develop a "personality" too, and you'd have a much harder time killing it.

But there's an organization who does just this--4H. Mostly made up of girls who raise a cow from calf, feed it daily, comb it, etc. and then end up selling it in a cattle sale most likely to someone who's going to butcher it.

Now is that wrong or capitalism?

I still find it wrong and disturbing, but that is more honest, I guess. The amount of people involved in farming/raising animals to kill is extremely minute compared to the majority of people who eat meat. 99.9% of meat-eaters never have to see or think about how it gets to their mouths. Those are people I was really talking about.

Besides, I bet it's very often not easy for those girls you referred to to know what's going to happen to the animal they raised.

[Jeremy Blackman]

Also... I'm fascinated by the idea of domesticated animals. I've had pets all my life and I love animals, but, for example, the president of PETA doesn't have pets. Not sure why, but it might be a protest against domestication. Wasn't there an inherent cruelty in domestication to begin with? And especially BREEDING?

So it's probably our duty as human beings to stop the process of domestication and breeding, and take as pets the animals who are starving and dying because of it, through overpopulation, homelessness (don't laugh), starvation, and being inherently deprived of their full instincts and the ability to act on them to survive in nature. Their domestication, in a way, has deprived them of their essence, and they are slaves to humans.

P.S. anyone who declaws their cat deserves to be declawed themselves.