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« on: June 17, 2003, 07:02:25 PM »
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OK... I LOVE the suicide scene in The Royal Tenenbaums.  Excellent, and what a great use of the Elliott Smith.  Great use of music all around.  Nick Drake's song's lyrics are so perfect too for the time.  But the problem - did anyone else notice that Richie says, "I'm gonna kill myself tomorrow."  I've viewed it many times, and he kills himself then.  It's only a few minutes in one day, so it's impossible.  Any ideas why or what?
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2003, 07:12:00 PM »
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i've always had the same problem with it, then decided to just ignore it.
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2003, 07:16:19 PM »
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Yeah, me too. I figured in the end that he just decided he couldn't wait that long. I takes you by surpirise more this way certainly - almost more so than if he said nothing.
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2003, 07:27:58 PM »
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Perhaps he couldn't wait.  Something else that would back that theory - he only shaves one stroke down his cheek.  Then he stops, ponders while looking in the mirror and STOPS.  Then he removes the blade and cuts his wrists suddenly!  Through the hospital scenes, he is only left with one stroke and the rest of his face is shaving cream!  Second, why would he kill himself with Dunley and the Dr. in the room next door?  Another reason why perhaps he wasn't planning on it.  Definetly does add suspense.  Damn it, I think we've cracked it!  :-D
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2003, 07:30:29 PM »
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8)  Genius, ain't we?  :roll:
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2003, 07:36:31 PM »
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Yes, you have cracked it, but all you had to do was listen to the commentary track and Wes would have explained it to you in person! Apparently that confused a lot of people.

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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2003, 07:40:48 PM »
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i always thought it just sounded better. the declarative statement "I'm going to kill myself tomorrow", sounds poetic.
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2003, 07:48:13 PM »
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On the commentary track Anderson says:

"A lot of people have asked me about that line. It confuses a lot of people. It's actually taken from a Louis Malle movie called "Le Feu Follet" which was a big influence on this whole film, and in that movie he says it and then tries to kill himself the next day which makes sense. In this case he says and then tries to kill himself right then, which my original thought was that that's something that...that's just a turn he makes in between saying the line and, you know, trying to kill himself. But then I had this idea of doing this montage to sort of flashback in his mind kind of... electrical thing...and, um, it changed and I dunno....I couldn't explain why he needs to say "I'm gonna kill myself," but somehow it seems right to me."
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2003, 08:44:05 PM »
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Furthermore, after he shaves the one stroke and says "I'm going to kill myself tomorrow", we see a cut to him in a much more dubious and contemplating state, then we cut to the shot of him with long hair, Anderson really pulls it together there with those milisecond shots to get that emotional change.  It's the only cut to when he had hair too.  And then of course, the poetry reaches stage two.
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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2003, 10:26:52 PM »
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Le Feu Follet is a great movie.  I love the Erik Satie music that plays throughout.  The same music plays when Richie visits Eli's apartment in TRT.

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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2003, 12:56:09 AM »
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Quote from: themodernage02
i always thought it just sounded better. the declarative statement "I'm going to kill myself tomorrow", sounds poetic.


definitely. its my favorite line/part in the movie. its so fuckin wonderful and sad. i dont see why it would confuse ppl, remember kids- can't take everything literally.

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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2003, 05:57:59 AM »
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Which is why I brought it up, thinking it had a deeper level to it and to clarify.  I agree that it is more poetic that way of course.
I'm somebody now, Harry. Everybody likes me. Soon, millions of people will see me and they'll all like me. I'll tell them about you, and your father, how good he was to us. Remember? It's a reason to get up in the morning. It's a reason to lose weight, to fit in the red dress. It's a reason to smile. It makes tomorrow all right. What have I got Harry, hm? Why should I even make the bed, or wash the dishes? I do them, but why should I? I'm alone. Your father's gone, you're gone. I got no one to care for. What have I got, Harry? I'm lonely. I'm old.

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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2003, 07:08:00 AM »
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Perhaps he couldn't wait.


thats what i always thought

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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2003, 10:03:46 AM »
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You're all right I think.  Clearly, it was a split-second decision...he stops shaving, stares at his face in the mirror, then something clicks in his head and he probably thinks: "Fuck it, let's just do it now."
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2003, 11:35:03 AM »
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I always thought the very same as you folks: he pondered his words "I'm going to kill myself tomorrow", and realized he couldn't live with himself a day longer, so he killed himself at that very moment.

 

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