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« Reply #225 on: December 26, 2004, 12:50:01 PM »
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Marty comes through again. Gets a great performance from Leo. Also, as usual with a Scorsese film, has the best soundtrack of the year. I love the fact that a big budget Hollywood movie ended on such a bleak note. I love all the frazzled faces of the people as they walk out of the theatre. Hahaha!


Anyway, maybe this one had a tiny bit less heart than your top-notch Marty pictures, but it had everything else I coulda asked for. Strangely enough, the PERFECT movie for the kinda Christmas I had...
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When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

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« Reply #226 on: December 26, 2004, 10:14:28 PM »
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saw this today and really liked it.  from everything i'd read i was expecting a less scorsese-y movie but in that way i was surprised at how much of a scorsese movie i thought it was.  i loved how the camera flashes seemed VIOLENT.  also SPOILER MINOR the plane crash was not 'fun' or handled lightly like it would've been in most films.  it was hardcore and looked SO painful, you really felt it.  great stuff END SPOILER  i also didnt realize that the movie got into any of his crazy long fingernail stuff, everything i'd read made it seem like they hinted at it only a bit but i thought they really got into it (especially the screening room).  my only complaint is that while i sympathized, i never really felt like i understood Hughes so it was like watching a biography, not letting you inside his motivations etc.  perhaps scorsese or anybody doesnt feel like they did know why so it wasnt important.  i did like how it only handled a portion of his life and didnt feel too biopic-y.  leo did a great job but towards the older hughes just didnt seem old enough.  i thought beckinsdale was fine.  the golf course was like fluorescent.  i want to see Hells Angels & the Outlaws now.  my theatre was also REALLY LOUD.

also: so many similarities to tucker: the man and his dream (with a dash of a beautiful mind).
Christopher Nolan's directive was clear to everyone in the cast and crew: Use CGI only as a last resort.

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« Reply #227 on: December 26, 2004, 10:26:37 PM »
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also: so many similarities to tucker: the man and his dream (with a dash of a beautiful mind).


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« Reply #228 on: December 26, 2004, 10:29:31 PM »
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i dont think so.  explain how its not.
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« Reply #229 on: December 27, 2004, 02:44:21 AM »
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you've overstayed your welcome once you've likened a ron howard film to that of scorsese's. i haven't seen tucker: THE MAN AND HIS DREAM and for all i know it's a great movie, but i'd like to think a film with that kind of subtitle is, once again, beneath scorsese.

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« Reply #230 on: December 27, 2004, 03:17:02 AM »
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I think the point was that Tucker, Beautiful Mind and Aviator are films about misunderstood visionaries who pay an awful price for being so bloody brilliant.  I don't believe the point was equating Scorsese with Ron Howard.  

There is a critical theory that distinguishes the "what" from the "how."  Thin Red Line and Saving Private Ryan are both WWII films, and both feature amphibious landings.  But the similarities end there, as Malick's style is different from Spielberg's.  Both films are good, maybe even great -- but they reflect utterly different sensibilities.

Put it another way -- you have a bowl of fruit.  Picasso paints it one way, Cezanne another.  Same fruit, different paitings, different sensibilities.
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« Reply #231 on: December 27, 2004, 03:36:22 AM »
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this is modage we're talking about...

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« Reply #232 on: December 27, 2004, 09:39:34 AM »
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also: so many similarities to tucker: the man and his dream (with a dash of a beautiful mind).


leave...now.

first of all, you're not cinephile.  when he does it, its funny.
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you've overstayed your welcome once you've likened a ron howard film to that of scorsese's. i haven't seen tucker: THE MAN AND HIS DREAM and for all i know it's a great movie, but i'd like to think a film with that kind of subtitle is, once again, beneath scorsese.

now leave.

second of all, you're criticizing me for comparing this to a movie YOU'VE NEVER EVEN SEEN.  uhhh, you might want to rent it first.  coppola made it about ten years ago.  do you want to hear the plot synopsis?  The true story of a dreamer shortly after WWII who tries to invent a better car but is crushed by corporate a-holes.  does that sound anything like the movie you just saw?  naah, but you wouldnt want to actually watch it first though to know what you are talking about.  and its arguable how far beneath scorsese Francis Ford Coppola is.  i said a DASH of beautiful mind, i never said he was inspired by those films i was just noticing a similarity in the delusions and paranoia of the main character.  
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« Reply #233 on: December 27, 2004, 10:04:11 AM »
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I thought this was a really strong and good film but not one of Scorsese's best. I think it doesn't quite reach greatness, but I admired the cast, the filmmaking and the special effects (particularly during that great crash scene).
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« Reply #234 on: December 27, 2004, 12:11:35 PM »
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scorsese's hollywood picture, while maybe just slightly empty compared to his other films, is still better than 7 out of 10 of the other hollywood pictures we get day in and day out.

the only scene that i remember as really just not liking, was the scene

SPOILERS

with the breasts and the mpaa and the meteorologist.

other than that, i really loved the film.
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« Reply #235 on: December 27, 2004, 02:24:10 PM »
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scorsese's hollywood picture, while maybe just slightly empty compared to his other films, is still better than 7 out of 10 of the other hollywood pictures we get day in and day out.

the only scene that i remember as really just not liking, was the scene

SPOILERS

with the breasts and the mpaa and the meteorologist.

other than that, i really loved the film.


i agree with every word you just said.

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« Reply #236 on: December 27, 2004, 02:32:31 PM »
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also: so many similarities to tucker: the man and his dream (with a dash of a beautiful mind).


leave...now.

first of all, you're not cinephile.  when he does it, its funny.
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you've overstayed your welcome once you've likened a ron howard film to that of scorsese's. i haven't seen tucker: THE MAN AND HIS DREAM and for all i know it's a great movie, but i'd like to think a film with that kind of subtitle is, once again, beneath scorsese.

now leave.

second of all, you're criticizing me for comparing this to a movie YOU'VE NEVER EVEN SEEN.  uhhh, you might want to rent it first.  coppola made it about ten years ago.  do you want to hear the plot synopsis?  The true story of a dreamer shortly after WWII who tries to invent a better car but is crushed by corporate a-holes.  does that sound anything like the movie you just saw?  naah, but you wouldnt want to actually watch it first though to know what you are talking about.  and its arguable how far beneath scorsese Francis Ford Coppola is.  i said a DASH of beautiful mind, i never said he was inspired by those films i was just noticing a similarity in the delusions and paranoia of the main character.  
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To your first point... I wasn't trying to funny.

To your second point... touche, I can admit a defeat. But, my comment about Tucker being beneath Scorsese was strictly based on its horrible subtitle, not the content or its director.

To your third point... well now you have two.

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« Reply #237 on: December 27, 2004, 03:36:52 PM »
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So much rivalry here, it's like the Aviator
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« Reply #238 on: December 27, 2004, 05:54:41 PM »
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coppola made it about ten years ago.  do you want to hear the plot synopsis?  The true story of a dreamer shortly after WWII who tries to invent a better car but is crushed by corporate a-holes.  does that sound anything like the movie you just saw?


I think you missed the obvious. In Coppola's film, he draws comparisons between the two men in a scene where Tucker actually meets with Hughes in the Spruce Goose hangar to discuss where to get metal to build the cars.
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« Reply #239 on: December 27, 2004, 06:53:22 PM »
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For some reason, the grass and beet field were blue in the theater I saw this at. Anyone know why it would be missing the color yellow?
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