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« on: June 10, 2003, 03:36:08 PM »
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is it just me, or is there not a topic for ORSON WELLES?  re-direct me if i'm wrong, but that sounds like bad news.
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2003, 07:46:29 PM »
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Orson Welles is, for the most part and in my opinion, grossly overrated.
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2003, 11:39:04 PM »
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It's tough to really measure the greatness of Orson Welles.  Citizen Kane was the only movie he had complete control of (and look what happened there).

It seems that critics and directors seem to think he is the greatest director of all time...and i'm guessing they know more than me.
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2003, 11:56:06 PM »
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i loved LOVED LOVED Touch of Evil.  i dont care who made it, i thought it was perfect.  i preffered it to Citizen Kane.  i loved the Henry Mancini score, the gorgeous black and white photography.  the cool camera moves and the great film noir characters.  LOVED.
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2003, 12:38:34 AM »
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See, I have not seen Touch Of Evil or Chimes At Midnight, which a lot of people say you have to see before you can really make your mind up about Welles. I loved F For Fake [A+++], but thought Macbeth [C+], The Magnificent Ambersons [B] and Citizen Kane [B] were all pretty average at best.
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2003, 01:31:19 AM »
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I've only seen Citizen Kane and Touch of Evil, and I loved them both.  Citizen Kane gets better and better after every viewing.

I've only seen Touch of Evil once and I'm waiting around before I get the DVD (hoping for a different release).
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2003, 01:52:54 AM »
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Though overrated, Citizen Kane is fucking fantastic.

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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2003, 01:59:58 AM »
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I agree with everyone who says that Citizen Kane and Touch Of Evil are masterpieces of cinema. Citizen Kane is one of the few films that was built up enormously for me in the years before I saw it, and then actually lived up to all the hype. Maybe it is overrated, but still...it changed the way movies are made.

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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2003, 02:04:30 AM »
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Casablanca lives up to expectation.

Citizen Kane gets raped by expectation.
Expectation makes Citizen Kane its bitch.

But to each his own.
For the record I really, really loved the Welles performance in Kane. Just not much else.
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2003, 10:46:22 AM »
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I think Orson Welles is a genius myself and Citizen Kane not only lives up to expectation, but surpasses it because everytime I watch the movie I can feel every other movie made after it living through its veins. The Trial is another great film. Actually, about Touch of Evil, I am trying to relocate a letter Orson Welles sent to a British paper in which he bashed the film completely, even if his version was fulfilled by the studios. He just ripped on the entire project. When I find it, I am posting it immediately on "Everything Else Cinema" because I see a lot of flaws in the movie myself.

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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2003, 10:55:56 AM »
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I love Orson Welles. The man is a force. His voice is one of the most amazing things ever. I especially love his performance in Catch 22:

"Get in the car, you smirking slut"

Wonderful. And great with the camera as well. The man is an icon.
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2003, 11:05:33 AM »
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Has anyone seen Casino Royale? (One of the worst films I've ever seen, in my opinion) It was so sad to see Welles in that. Probably trying to get the money together for yet another attempt at Don Quixote...

And I too have to say I think Kane deserves all the praise it gets.
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2003, 11:22:58 AM »
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Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
I think Orson Welles is a genius myself and Citizen Kane not only lives up to expectation, but surpasses it because everytime I watch the movie I can feel every other movie made after it living through its veins. The Trial is another great film. Actually, about Touch of Evil, I am trying to relocate a letter Orson Welles sent to a British paper in which he bashed the film completely, even if his version was fulfilled by the studios. He just ripped on the entire project. When I find it, I am posting it immediately on "Everything Else Cinema" because I see a lot of flaws in the movie myself.

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I had checked out a Touch of Evil special edition DVD with some notes on the film from Welles.  Perhaps this is what you're talking about/looking for?

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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2003, 11:26:36 AM »
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Quote from: The Silver Bullet

Citizen Kane gets raped by expectation.
Expectation makes Citizen Kane its bitch.


Say what you will about personal expectations, but Citizen Kane towers over films contemporary with it; it's just monumentally different, an unparalleled and revolutionary achievement in terms of acting, narrative structure, lighting, cinematography, social critique....everything.

I've said this before:  American films can be seen as falling into two groups: Pre- and Post-Citizen Kane.

Also: Touch of Evil is the boundary line between Film Noir and Neo-Noir.  Its both an entertaining, unconventional thriller and an enormous landmark for the genre.

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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2003, 11:50:08 AM »
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Anyone see Touch of Evil only after Get Shorty?  :oops:
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