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« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2003, 10:54:52 PM »
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oh these bj initiated fights with godardian never get old...

(note the sarcasm)


anyway, the scene where he says he's going to fucking kill his sister, i'm in the audience with lincoln center film snobs laughing my ass off and they're all completely silent. i wasn't sure if i was supposed to laugh or not, it made me feel uncomfortable. i can't wait to get the dvd so i can laugh on my own without feeling like an asshole.


I loved that feeling of uncomfortableness that the movie gave me.  Made me laugh these nervous, horror movie laughs.

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« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2003, 11:05:03 PM »
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yeah i went from laughing to very quickly almost tearing up.
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« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2003, 12:37:23 AM »
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Has anyone experienced that kind of "back-stabbing" (I put it in quotes because the dentist's motivations probably were'nt harsh) before?  I'm not talking about going to the drive-through and getting the wrong order, but how about trusting someone who ends up betraying you?

Am I some kind of philosopher?


I think everyone has...the only way to make sure it doesn't happen....is to never put your trust or faith in someone.  And that's no fun...people need people, and yes....it sucks to put yourself out there....just to get shit on.  Some will say it makes people stronger, but fuck that, those are just the people that deny anyone has ever shit on them.  

Also....my focus with this thread from the start was....yes, the scene as a whole, not just the goofy sob Sandler lets out (the exaggeration), sure, it works too, but it's the writing I was speaking more of...

Pta....shit...that guy is alright....

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« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2003, 05:17:11 AM »
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I loved how 'PDL' was full of single scenes with mixed emotions, how you aren't sure how to react to it. Its different. The movie has balls.

As for the 'gimme the fuckin' number!' scene, I laughed. Mainly because I was so overjoyed that Barry pretty much gave his sister the big 'FUCK YOU' that she's been asking for.

Same with the yelling competition that he has over the phone with Dean. Barry's: 'Listen to me, what's your name sir! Answer me!', Dean asks his name and Barry proudly screams: 'I'M BARRY EGAN!'. Another bit that made me happy to the point of giggling.

I could go on and on and on about the many great scenes in the flick but I'll save ya'll the torture........
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« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2003, 10:17:02 PM »
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whats this about schindlers list being a "false" movie?

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« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2003, 10:19:10 PM »
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pdl had me laughing at some parts, scared at others, amazed at some, saddened at some, and overjoyed at most (especially the part where he's running through the alleys and shit, so brilliant and funny and scary and sad.  fuckin love pdl.

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« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2003, 12:21:36 AM »
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whats this about schindlers list being a "false" movie?


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And I meant emotionally false, by the way...
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« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2003, 09:51:59 AM »
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How did this turn into a SL thread?

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« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2003, 10:02:47 AM »
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How did this turn into a SL thread?


It was about the particular things that do or don't make us laugh when it first started, but shouldn't have, sorry...

...PDL and Far from Heaven were my two favorite films of last year. Both were highly stylized, quirky, and not what you would describe as "realistic." But both really touched me, whereas your less fanciful romantic comedies and dramas- your Maid and Manhattans and so on- don't do anything for me. Could it be that a certain level of artifice, not verite, is the surest way to tug at our heartstrings?
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"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

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« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2003, 10:07:55 AM »
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whats this about schindlers list being a "false" movie?


That statement has yet to be fully explained or justified, eward.

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How did this turn into a SL thread?


A humorous, unrelated comment by one member inspired another to question a director's integrity and motivation in a very misguided effort call attention to themselves, it seems.  :?

Anyways, about this business of PDL evoking so many different emotions at any given time.  I don't think that's what it's meant to do...

Sure, the scene where Barry yells at his sister, it's just full of all types of good stuff... but when someone in the audience is crying during a particular scene and someone is laughing, one of those people just aren't getting it.  The scene has gone over their head.

PTA has always wanted certain scenes to make you feel a particular way.  Why would he stop now?  There's a difference between laughing at anything you want to, and understanding the movie.  My two cents.

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« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2003, 10:09:45 AM »
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This is a response for Godardian, from one post ago...

Yeah, but PDL is a stylized way to show true, honest emotions. Maid in Manhattan is a bullshit fake-ass fairytale sold to the moronic millions to be a "realistic modern love story". So, I guess we can start creating a new theory about how heavy artifice might be the new natural extension of cinema verite (say, perhaps, realistic acting and dialogue in an artificial situation). Ahhhhh, Uncle Jean would be so proud.
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« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2003, 10:19:19 AM »
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whats this about schindlers list being a "false" movie?


That statement has yet to be fully explained or justified, eward.

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How did this turn into a SL thread?


A humorous, unrelated comment by one member inspired another to question a director's integrity and motivation in a very misguided effort call attention to themselves, it seems.  :?


Not really misguided... I have some pretty strong negative convictions about that particular director, and I was not the one to bring up SL, and if I was going to say I laughed at it, I thought I might mention why. If it must be discussed further, or more "fully explained and justified," I'm certain there's a thread in that director's forum for it.
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"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

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« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2003, 12:26:32 PM »
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How did this turn into a SL thread?


I am sorry.  :oops:

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« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2003, 02:50:53 PM »
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Maid in Manhattan is a bullshit fake-ass fairytale sold to the moronic millions to be a "realistic modern love story".


I am guessing it made more money than PDL though, which is sad in a whole other sense...These are always gonna get made.  What sucks about them, is all you have to do is watch the trailer and you know how the story will end (95% of the time)....

....but, with PDL...perfect example...in Hawaii, you have this perfectly set up "romantic morning after scene"....when what do we hear....instead of some worn cheesy ass cliche....we get...."I wanna bite your cheek off"...followed by ..."I wanna punch you in the face"...point being, sure, the plot can be predicable...but the other elements don't need to be.  And what makes me sick is how something so overly predicable, and has been made over and over every 3rd year,  in every aspect can do better than something like PDL....

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« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2003, 02:52:34 PM »
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Sure, the scene where Barry yells at his sister, it's just full of all types of good stuff... but when someone in the audience is crying during a particular scene and someone is laughing, one of those people just aren't getting it.  The scene has gone over their head.

I don't think one of them is necessarily 'not getting it', as you said.  One just might have a 'different' sense of humor and is clearly not affected by the scene as much as the person on a crying jag.  What you're implying is that PTA wants you to feel a certain way, which I just don't think is true. :roll: [/i]
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