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Spike Jonze / Hip-hop / Pornhub
« on: September 07, 2018, 02:58:48 AM »
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when it becomes free and easy available, will someone please post the Kanye West/Lil Pump Spike Jonze video that debuted tonight at the Pornhub Awards which West was the creative director for? thanks

here's a camera pointed at it playing but this really should disappear and i want the real deal anyway


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Re: Spike Jonze / Hip-hop / Pornhub
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2018, 06:14:35 AM »
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when it becomes free and easy available, will someone please post the Kanye West/Lil Pump Spike Jonze video that debuted tonight at the Pornhub Awards which West was the creative director for? thanks

here's a camera pointed at it playing but this really should disappear and i want the real deal anyway





Spike Jonze is credited as an "Executive Producer". But.
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2018, 11:13:37 AM »
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That was one of the dumbest things I've ever heard and/or watched.
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2018, 12:05:41 PM »
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thanks Drenk

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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2018, 01:10:48 PM »
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That was one of the dumbest things I've ever heard and/or watched.

Yeah, shit like that makes me really happy Eminem is going after this kind of garbage rap. He may seem like a crotchety old man to some, but he’s doing the Lord’s work.
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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2018, 06:24:28 PM »
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it's a music video made for a Pornhub award ceremony. you guys can understand this when it's Boogie Nights but not when it's real life, that's what bothers me. i'm not saying you guys bother me, just that general concept bothers me.

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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2018, 11:53:23 PM »
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Not hating and not the thread for it, but I genuinely don't understand people who hate on modern hip-hop. What don't y'all like about this? It's fun and irreverent.

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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2018, 05:15:57 AM »
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Not hating and not the thread for it, but I genuinely don't understand people who hate on modern hip-hop. What don't y'all like about this? It's fun and irreverent.

because it's simplistic drivel barren of any substance where every rapper sounds exactly the same making the same garbage song over and over again with nothing to distinguish one from the other, no originality and bare minimal creativity. it's like having every superhero have the same superpower. with the exception of kendrick lamar, asap, and barely a handful of other, the shit is glaringly polar opposite of the tenets that defined what hip-hop/rap music is. it's a fucking joke. kamikazee made some good points, even though i'm not huge on em's sonic speed delivery. there are no more bars and intelligent lyrics, and this is going on 10 years now. it's all simplistic auto-tuned excrement spewed out a codeine syrup lean laden mind.

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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2018, 10:25:02 AM »
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"Irreverent" though, really? I don't think the way this brand of hip-hop celebrates commercialism, sexism, and shallowness qualifies as irreverent. It's just lifestyle music. It has nothing to say, it's often actively toxic, and it's boring.
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Re: Spike Jonze / Hip-hop / Pornhub
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2018, 10:32:28 AM »
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the anger is disproportionate to the situation, this is simply the wrong time to fight fellas, it's a song and music video for a porn awards ceremony.

in a general context there's still too much anger, in my opinion. who is everyone mad at? Eminem is losing fellas. Here's the initial Earl Sweatshirt diss

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Eminem diid not win that, or come even close



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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2018, 10:02:07 PM »
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because it's simplistic drivel barren of any substance where every rapper sounds exactly the same making the same garbage song over and over again with nothing to distinguish one from the other, no originality and bare minimal creativity. it's like having every superhero have the same superpower.

But aren't these the same exact arguments that were levelled against punk music when it started out? And rock and roll before it? And hip-hop after? Listen to Joe Budden talk about Lil Yachty, it's like Dean Martin talking about The Rolling Stones. There's definitely a lot of soundcloud rap out there that I don't care for, that does get a little muddy or lacks the spark, but it's all in the game. It's a bunch of teenagers getting high and making music in their bedrooms! And somehow managing to revolutionize a genre and industry.

"Irreverent" though, really? I don't think the way this brand of hip-hop celebrates commercialism, sexism, and shallowness qualifies as irreverent. It's just lifestyle music. It has nothing to say, it's often actively toxic, and it's boring.

Yeah, for sure! It displays irreverence towards the institution that mainstream rap had become. A giant fuck you to the craft, lyricism, and history their predecessors hold so dear. This is what young people are for!

Again, not judging at all, I totally get why this music wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea. But the HATRED seems extreme to me. We know this is what always happens when something new comes around. Why not just giggle and give in?

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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2018, 08:43:39 AM »
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so don't call it hip-hop or rap, call it something else. maybe garbage, excrement, or dung heap. punk isn't called rock, neither is metal, it's its own genre. i'm glad there is innovation for the youth, if you want to call it that, i just can't get with the mumble trap shit at all. call it old age, or call it living in the era of biggie pac mobb wu nas outkast geto boys.

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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2018, 08:56:01 AM »
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I'm young, and I hate it. Obviously, as Jenkis said, this video has been made for  a porn website and it's half a song—but it could have been a normal track from one of the thousand clones we have nowadays. Streaming created vapid musical content. They're not against the powers that be. They are the powers that be. I still can't explain Drake. In My Feelings became a single, but it's a stupid track buried in an overlong mess: you can make everything you want with enough followers, a sufficient narrative, and an ability to create viral moments.

But it's just the noise. Hip-hop is full of interesting artists, and it's transforming itself into something new. What's Frank Ocean genra? I don't know exactly.
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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2018, 02:14:55 PM »
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punk and metal are rock. they're subgenres.

what's being described is what's called the democratization of music, it affects all people of all ages.

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Re: Spike Jonze / Hip-hop / Pornhub
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2018, 12:25:51 AM »
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they performed it on snl



shittalking pitchfork is like one of my favorite social hobbies, since they're so obvious, but btw they have a great Lil Pump review



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Rap has always favored the young, but never more so than in 2017, where the genre’s entire distribution model is tilted toward internet-savvy artists on the vanguard of social and musical trends. Along with fellow Miami native and frequent collaborator Smokepurpp, 17-year-old Lil Pump is part of a surge of SoundCloud rappers so intuitively aware of what plays online that, knowingly or not, they’ve essentially Moneyballed rap music, racking up tens of millions of streams with no-budget songs they’ve barely even bothered to master. Major labels used to spend small fortunes to achieve that kind of reach. Lil Pump doesn’t even need a real microphone.

In truth, even the most well-financed A&R team could only dream about creating a rapper as shareable as Pump, who at first glance can seem less like a real artist than a computer’s too-perfect aggregation of what rap looks and sounds like at this precise moment. He’s got Lil Yachty’s sense of flamboyant style and adventurous hair and Lil Uzi Vert’s taste in drugs, designers, and bright, cartoony cover art. His biggest, most blown-out tracks play like the tortured last gasps of an imploded subwoofer. And, in an evergreen angle that’s always catnip for the media, he carries an air of punk rebellion. A memorable New York Times profile opens with an account of Pump sparking an all-out brawl after kicking a fan in the head on stage, then instructing a friend to send footage of the scuffle to a hip-hop blogger. A self-marketer to the core, he played the incident for maximum viral reach.

If all that suggests a certain cynicism, it’s to Pump’s credit that none of it comes through in his music. There isn’t a moment on his brisk self-titled debut album where he doesn’t sound completely, endearingly stoked, and that kind of total commitment is all too rare on any rap album, mumble or otherwise. Where Uzi and Yachty tend to check out of their lesser material, Pump doubles down on every song, injecting SremmLife-levels of enthusiasm into even the rare ones that fall short of their goal of rattling around in listeners’ heads for hours after just a few exposures. Every track is loud, hyper, and catchy just to the brink of obnoxiousness, with only a couple crossing that threshold by a step or two.

Chief Keef is ostensibly the model for Pump’s economical, catchphrase-heavy style of rapping, and Pump has cited him as an inspiration. Compared to Keef’s tough guest turn on “Whitney,” though, Pump sounds like a kid brother too giddy with mischief to maintain a straight face. The album is filled with moments like that, guest spots from elder statesmen that mostly underscore Pump’s youth. A throwback, Lex Luger-style beat from producer Bighead highlights the generational divide between Pump and a half-present Gucci Mane on “Youngest Flexer,” while Rick Ross has never sounded more like a wooly mammoth succumbing to the tar pit than he does cast against Pump’s boyish patter on “Pinky Ring.”

As the first extended exposure to an artist previously heard only in brief fits, Lil Pump’s debut is impressively consistent, a sign that the divisive rapper may have more staying power than his many detractors have predicted. But even at a trim 36 minutes, the album does hint at some of the traps Pump could fall into if he runs out of ways to keep his routine fresh. Like Lil Uzi Vert or Mac Miller, whose voice Pump’s recalls during some of the album’s lazier hooks, Pump sometimes defaults to sickly simple melodies. The album’s two outright duds, “Foreign” and “Iced Out,” tell a stark cautionary tale: If you scale back Pump’s modernist trappings, buff away his signature distortion, and tame his jumpy energy, you’re basically left with Wiz Khalifa, and the world really doesn’t need another one of those.

While nobody would mistake him as one of rap’s great thinkers, Pump isn’t nearly the meritless insult to hip-hop that his grumpiest critics have cast him as. Compared to some of his SoundCloud peers, his album is almost downright traditionalist—it’s certainly not as audacious as Playboi Carti’s own self-titled debut, a perpetual motion fidget spinner of an album that regarded rap as entirely optional. That record was, in its own way, an art piece, but Pump couldn’t care less about art. Even his distortion isn’t artful in any meaningful way; it’s just a signifier of volume and excitement. Lil Pump’s one and only concern is turning up and he can do it with the best of them.

 

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