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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #195 on: February 06, 2018, 01:46:30 PM »
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- The brothers kidnapping Barry / attacking Barry and Lena as they pull in to Barry's garage, Barry bursting into Dean's store
- Jimmy invading Claudia's space sending her into a day-long spinout, Stanley breaking into the library, Donnie breaking into the store, BONUS: Jim entering Claudia's room at the end, but in a wholesome af way
- Rahad Jackson sequence is an attempted home robbery, also Dirk's mom busting in on him in his room, maybe?
- Sydney breaking into Jimmy's apartment to settle their affairs

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« Reply #196 on: February 06, 2018, 02:04:05 PM »
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- The brothers kidnapping Barry / attacking Barry and Lena as they pull in to Barry's garage, Barry bursting into Dean's store
- Jimmy invading Claudia's space sending her into a day-long spinout, Stanley breaking into the library, Donnie breaking into the store, BONUS: Jim entering Claudia's room at the end, but in a wholesome af way
- Rahad Jackson sequence is an attempted home robbery, also Dirk's mom busting in on him in his room, maybe?
- Sydney breaking into Jimmy's apartment to settle their affairs

Todd Parker kicks in the bedroom door at Rahad's place in Boogie Nights.  (Pays the price, too...) 

In kind of an opposite way, Eddie's Mom slams the door behind him as he storms out of the house--while Jack opens his door to Eddie...

Is there a thread in all the significance of doors opening in his films?  (Probably any film?)
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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #197 on: February 06, 2018, 02:25:02 PM »
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- The brothers kidnapping Barry / attacking Barry and Lena as they pull in to Barry's garage, Barry bursting into Dean's store
- Jimmy invading Claudia's space sending her into a day-long spinout, Stanley breaking into the library, Donnie breaking into the store, BONUS: Jim entering Claudia's room at the end, but in a wholesome af way
- Rahad Jackson sequence is an attempted home robbery, also Dirk's mom busting in on him in his room, maybe?
- Sydney breaking into Jimmy's apartment to settle their affairs

Todd Parker kicks in the bedroom door at Rahad's place in Boogie Nights.  (Pays the price, too...) 

In kind of an opposite way, Eddie's Mom slams the door behind him as he storms out of the house--while Jack opens his door to Eddie...

Is there a thread in all the significance of doors opening in his films?  (Probably any film?)

Barry just walking on in to the back of the D&D Mattress warehouse
Freddie hopping aboard Alethia
Freddie wandering about, stealing some shit from the rich old New York lady's house (Mrs. Drummond?)
Doc sneaking into Sloane Wolfmann's...the mansion The Boards are staying in...Chryskylodon....(these may be stretches)...........
Thom Yorke walking into endless California households in Daydreaming.......


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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #198 on: February 06, 2018, 03:30:15 PM »
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Is there a thread in all the significance of doors opening in his films?  (Probably any film?)

We're getting further away from whatever the point was, which I'm totally down for. I just like listing things that I love. Beyond doors, we can get into instances of characters just simply walking through their environments and how he's always been into that...

- Sydney walking us through the casino, leading us up to John's motel room
- The ensemble taking us through the nightclub, Jack wandering through the porn warehouse, Little Bill and Jack taking us through Jack's house
- The cast and crew of WDKK taking us on a behind the scenes tour of the studio
- Tracking with Barry during a hectic day at the warehouse, Barry and Lena leaving the restaurant and getting into the car
- CMBB is trickier, any thoughts on that? There are some tracking shots of people running to and from the derrick fire but I don't think those count as they are action/plot loaded
- Martha wandering the sales floor, Freddie wandering the pier before finding/boarding the Alethia, Freddie walking back to the hall after beating up Henry Plainview
- Following Doc out to Shasta's car at sunset
- Daydreaming
- Moving with Alma during the dress show, with Reynolds through the New Years sequence

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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #199 on: February 06, 2018, 04:43:32 PM »
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Is there a thread in all the significance of doors opening in his films?  (Probably any film?)

- CMBB is trickier, any thoughts on that? There are some tracking shots of people running to and from the derrick fire but I don't think those count as they are action/plot loaded


Plainview wandering into the Church of the Third Revelation for the first time, Camera picking up with Eli, leading him back out toward Plainview's position, all one shot.... All I can think of.

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« Reply #200 on: February 06, 2018, 06:04:49 PM »
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Would you describe the relationship between Woodcock and Alma as abusive when she begins to live with him? He's distant and annoyed and unpleasant, but she never feels like a victim to me. She doesn't take the bullshit for granted and they work in their own way toward reconciliation. He's a prick, but not the monster I see described sometimes. From what I've heard, there is a dimension of manipulation with abusers. Woodcock is simply in his pattern where his protégée slowly fades away...

But this is Alma.
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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #201 on: February 06, 2018, 10:56:32 PM »
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‘Phantom Thread’ Deleted Scenes: Here’s What Paul Thomas Anderson Cut Out of His Six-Time Oscar Nominee

http://www.indiewire.com/2018/02/phantom-thread-deleted-scenes-paul-thomas-anderson-cut-out-1201925191/

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The first cut of Paul Thomas Anderson’s “Phantom Thread” was rumored to be around the four-hour mark, which means a lot of footage had to be cut in order to get the romance drama down to its 130-minute theatrical runtime. Recent interviews with stars Lesley Manville and Vicky Krieps shine a light on a much-longer version of “Phantom Thread” that delves further into their characters, Cyril and Alma, and their relationship together.

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Earlier in the film, Reynolds tells Alma that his mother’s wedding dress as been lost (“I don’t know where it is know. It’s probably ashes,” he says), but it turns out Cyril was actually in possession of the garment the whole time and was hiding it from her brother. Alma ended up finding the dress at the Woodcock’s country home, forcing Cyril to explain herself and get Alma to keep the secret.
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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #202 on: February 07, 2018, 08:34:11 AM »
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On seeing PT a second time

Watching it for a second time has highlighted a phenomenon which I think is a general one. The phenomenon of assimilating a movie for the first time. The first time I saw it my mind was with it moment to moment, and I was calculating as many details as I could as the film was "unspooling" (as it were); but afterwards, my mind acted as a sieve and most of the data fell away, leaving only, what I intended at the time, the bare essentials, initial thoughts that need to be got out of the way, or initial impressions; one has to start somewhere. But after my opening burst of initial reflections, I wasn't refilled with the data that I had lost. All that was gone. But seeing the movie again brings everything back into the mind; and now a viewer can really get down to business.

But there is an eternal question here. The experience one has the first time one sees it: it that something pure, if imprecise? The experiencing of original expectations and surprises? Or, the best way to assimilate art is to know it intimately, frame by frame for example; so that terabytes of cerebral data can flow from one's experiencing of it. I would say it is the latter, but that is just me. And yet, picking the first way is a traveling back into the past, into the way we saw films as children.

(I suppose either/or doesn't apply here. It's just a question to consider for fun.)

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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #203 on: February 07, 2018, 01:54:47 PM »
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It's funny how he writes his screenplays. It's as if he's gotten "lazier", in terms of presentation and detail. It's sloppy and stripped to the bone. The way he doesn't capitalize... As he said, I remember, something like; leave the mistakes -- don't correct them -- way back when, in 97', I think. His early scripts; 'Boogie Nights', 'Hard Eight', and 'Knuckle Sandwich', are all well presented, detailed, and clean -- for the person reading it...

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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #204 on: February 07, 2018, 02:04:59 PM »
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Yeah they're pretty sloppy from Magnolia on.....always figured by that point he no longer had to worry about the "presentation" as such, not having to get his scripts past "readers" and the like. Learning how to write scripts by reading Magnolia over and over put me at a disadvantage for a few years ha, as if his way was the norm.
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« Reply #205 on: February 07, 2018, 02:18:43 PM »
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Absolutely! I think that's it, really.

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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #206 on: February 07, 2018, 09:25:30 PM »
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got a hold of a screener and i have to say, it’s a shame for anyone to see this for the first time this way.  the sound mix is egregious.  the strings dont swell in “house of woodcock” like they should... i noticed this too when it went to wide release and i saw it at an amc.  the first time it happens on that dolly in/tilt up on the stairwell is the most soul-stirring thing ive experienced at the movies in recent memory, and it’s neutered without the proper levels.  the spatial depth of the sound design is gone here too. 

i know there are some on here for whom this is the only option to see phantom thread  without having to wait for the home video release... if you go this route (“whatever you do, do it carefully.”), watch it with a grain of salt and crank the volume as high as you can. 

but now i can have the movie on my tv constantly.  anyone in LA see the 35mm print at the vista?

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« Reply #207 on: February 07, 2018, 09:41:25 PM »
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anyone in LA see the 35mm print at the vista?

Just noticed the L.A. Cinematheque screening next week has both Thread and Punch-Drunk Love in 35mm.
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« Reply #208 on: February 07, 2018, 09:46:54 PM »
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sold out already...

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Re: Phantom Thread - SPOILERS!
« Reply #209 on: February 07, 2018, 10:04:19 PM »
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He's a prick, but not the monster I see described sometimes.

I very much agree. As if people want it to be harder than it is. Like it has to be TWBB all over again.

To me, he's a fussy and unpleasant man, but he can also be genuine and generous and charming. While rooted much more in reality, PT most resembles PDL of all his films, in its heart and its whimsy, its softness. Totally it's own thing of course, but if you wanna make comparisons. It's not what anyone was expecting and some folks are trying to squeeze it into the mold they'd constructed. And/or they're trying to be woke and slightly missing the mark. I don't know that he's necessarily a misogynist, more of a misanthrope. Alma doesn't bother him because she's a woman, but because she's human.

 

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