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Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2017, 05:51:32 PM »
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i'll just let the movie speak for itself. IV slays, no question.


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Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2017, 06:51:06 PM »
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After disliking Inherent Vice so much, I could only hope that it was a very faithful, and skillful adaptation of "problematic" source material.  It made no sense to me that PTA, who had proven his story-telling skills multiple times, could make a film about people I felt absolutely no connection to.  It's ultimately what makes or breaks a film for me:  I need to care--on some level--about what happens to the people whose story is being told.  I didn't care at all about Doc & Co.--nor what they were doing and seeking in the film.  I generally enjoy movies set in the '70s (came of age in that era.  Enjoying The Deuce so far, etc.)..but even that aspect of it didn't effect me positively. 

I couldn't figure out, either, why the humor fell so flat for me in IV.  The timing was off, and he seemed to be hitting to jokes too broadly.  (And don't get me started on the trailer!  A TOTAL misrepresentation of the film, in my mind.)

I'm wondering if I should try watching the film again--with the sound off.  I've tried rewatching the movie twice now--and never made it more than about an hour in before just throwing up my hands (and the remote at the TV) in abject frustration. 

I'm trying to remain open-minded about 'Thread', but IV did such psychic damage (yes, an exaggeration--it's just a movie) that I'm honestly got some trepidation about seeing it.  It's why the 'weird' label for 'Thread' a few posts back gave me pause...  I'm not against weird per-se, but it needs to be GOOD weird...
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Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2017, 06:59:29 PM »
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I could only hope that it was a very faithful, and skillful adaptation of "problematic" source material.  It made no sense to me that PTA, who had proven his story-telling skills multiple times, could make a film about people I felt absolutely no connection to.  It's ultimately what makes or breaks a film for me:  I need to care--on some level--about what happens to the people whose story is being told.  I didn't care at all about Doc & Co.--nor what they were doing and seeking in the film.

That is exactly how I felt as well. I think a lot of people who loved IV were bringing information from the book (which is fair). I think wilder is right that there is a lot going on aesthetically, but it clearly did want to be a character-based film, and the characters did not connect with me. I felt genuinely depressed that a PTA movie could feel so cold.
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Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2017, 07:10:53 PM »
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Inherent Vice could have been a lot better if they slimmed down the plot and allowed it to be a relaxed look at an interesting character like Doc. The time with his character needed to breathe more and be more loose and fun.

Well no, that's not what the movie should be about. The last thing anyone needs is another Big Lebowski.

It's PTA's best and most mature, imo.

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Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2017, 07:13:42 PM »
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a way to stay open minded is by dropping statements like "needed" and "GOOD weird". that's literally a way to stay open minded.

i've watched IV three times and i've never had a problem with it, it's grown and stayed with me. it's impossible for me to call the movie cold because it's impossible for me to call Doc cold. it's such a mellow narrative mixture of interconnectivity and riotous paranoia, it's by far the most non-dramatc city-like narrative PTA has orchestrated. you guys don't even chat its philosophy. no mentioning of the things that were taking place in the movie, only that it wasn't the movie you wanted to be. i'd say Pynchon helped and i wouldn't say Pynchon hurt. Pynchon and PTA know the same thing, that everything is about atmosphere. you don't teach people based on what you tell them, you teach people based on how you make them feel. that's science. anyway you guys sound crazy to me but it's just a thing that's hilarious enough to be taking place here and it's only life.

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Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2017, 09:29:23 PM »
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That is exactly how I felt as well. I think a lot of people who loved IV were bringing information from the book (which is fair). I think wilder is right that there is a lot going on aesthetically, but it clearly did want to be a character-based film, and the characters did not connect with me. I felt genuinely depressed that a PTA movie could feel so cold.

I won't deny that reading the book probably made it a more comprehensible experience for me but I disagree with this, the book is way more meandering, distant and bizarre. PTA did do a good job in making it a more heartfelt experience. In the limited time he had, he added more emotional weight to Doc's relationship with Shasta and Bigfoot- even Coy's family stuff. It comes across better in the film than it does in the book. Doc's life is a revolving door of people, full of growing disconnection and discontent- while the other characters are a bit hazy, Doc himself is pretty easy to connect with. I agree with Jenk when he says "it's impossible for me to call the movie cold because it's impossible for me to call Doc cold", Doc's generally a good dude in world growing more cold.

Inherent Vice could have been a lot better if they slimmed down the plot and allowed it to be a relaxed look at an interesting character like Doc.
I suppose this is an example of me bringing information from the book but crazily enough, PTA did the above. He slimmed it down considerably from the source. IV is a technical display for PTA in regard to editing and writing.

I wrote similar stuff in the IV thread about the same topic.
Phantom Thread will probably be a more obviously PTA type movie because it's coming straight from his head whereas with IV, it was him adapting a difficult to adapt book and then tuning it to his own sensibilities (probably the same deal with TWBB, but I can't really comment on that).

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Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2017, 04:32:55 AM »
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Inherent Vice could have been a lot better if they slimmed down the plot and allowed it to be a relaxed look at an interesting character like Doc. The time with his character needed to breathe more and be more loose and fun.

Well no, that's not what the movie should be about. The last thing anyone needs is another Big Lebowski.

It's PTA's best and most mature, imo.

Haha, I was thinking more offbeat films of the 1970s. Anderson already films with a tone and realism more akin to that decade and the 60s than what Big Lebowski features. I would have liked him to essentially made same film but simplified a lot of the story and followed the wandering life of Doc more.

Mature is an interesting idea for IA. It's one of his lesser films for me but I would like an explanation how this stands out compared to what he's done prior.

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Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2017, 09:59:34 PM »
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When PTA interviewed Adam McKay after the screening for The Big Short, Adam told PTA he just wants him to start "pumpin' them out".

Would be nice to get a PTA movie every 2 years tbh.

 

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