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Re: Phantom Thread
« Reply #240 on: October 23, 2017, 09:41:28 AM »
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Huh, just noticed. R for language only. Very curious.

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« Reply #241 on: October 23, 2017, 09:43:28 AM »
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Only one viewing so far.  I'm not cringing or rolling my eyes or confused.  It does look gorgeous.  I like that the female lead isn't conventionally, model-stunningly gorgeous (at least by our modern standards).

[edit] 2nd Viewing.  Some mild goosebumps this time.  It certainly seems to be about the shifting nature of their relationship/personal dynamic.  (But, of course, the Inherent Vice trailer told us that film was a goofy, irreverent comedy, so...)  :ponder:
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« Reply #242 on: October 23, 2017, 09:52:55 AM »
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cinematography looks very... flat.

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« Reply #243 on: October 23, 2017, 10:04:18 AM »
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Thought this was an interesting reaction. 

https://twitter.com/luv_2read/status/922476086344105985
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« Reply #244 on: October 23, 2017, 10:07:02 AM »
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Oh God.

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« Reply #245 on: October 23, 2017, 10:10:08 AM »
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Already read a couple of tweets calling this film "problematic" just from the trailer.

Did these people ever take into consideration that the age difference might be crucial to the plot?

Exactly.  And the (suggestion?) he might be closeted...
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Re: Phantom Thread
« Reply #246 on: October 23, 2017, 10:11:46 AM »
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Thought this was an interesting reaction. 

https://twitter.com/luv_2read/status/922476086344105985

I haven't watched the trailer yet but don't be surprised when PTA gets run through the 2017 Woke Filter.
Christopher Nolan's directive was clear to everyone in the cast and crew: Use CGI only as a last resort.

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« Reply #247 on: October 23, 2017, 10:13:37 AM »
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The reaction to the trailer just now from a female friend of mine who tolerates my PTA-obsessiveness:  "I'd go see that movie..."
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« Reply #248 on: October 23, 2017, 10:15:11 AM »
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Already read a couple of tweets calling this film "problematic" just from the trailer.

Did these people ever take into consideration that the age difference might be crucial to the plot?

no, because these people are boring.

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« Reply #249 on: October 23, 2017, 10:17:36 AM »
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Update: Watched the trailer. PTA enters his Merchant Ivory phase?
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« Reply #250 on: October 23, 2017, 10:18:19 AM »
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Update: Watched the trailer. PTA enters his Merchant Ivory phase?

A thought I had. God, I hope not.

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Re: Phantom Thread
« Reply #251 on: October 23, 2017, 10:23:31 AM »
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I haven't watched the trailer yet but don't be surprised when PTA gets run through the 2017 Woke Filter.

Fucking agree. Don't mean to sound like a pretentious gatekeeper on all things PTA but it's just sad that he has to exist and make movies in the current media landscape. Also, I'm stealing the phrase "woke filter".

LOL. I immediately thought of the shitstorm that "Life of Brian" created with conservatives (and others) who (of course) hadn't seen the film.
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« Reply #252 on: October 23, 2017, 10:28:55 AM »
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Lest we forget that Editing is All, an exchange I had this morning with @TheLollipopking who had seen a "test" trailer a month or so ago: 

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Woah!! This is not the trailer I saw at all!

The middle has a lot of shots I recognize & feels familar, but the entire tone is totally different.

When I compared it to something like Carol....the one I saw had a lot more Christmas scenes, where she's wearing the red gown.

The scenes in the beginning and the end don't look familar at all.

The moment where she asks why he's never been married had a completely different feel.

The way they framed that scene in the trailer I saw, I thought she was an assistant who was very infatuated with him, and was too naive...

To realize he was gay and still in the closet.

This trailer shows much more of an actual relationship, rather than a mentor/pupil relationship the one I saw implied.

Yeah, I think I mentioned it before, but I thought it was an unrequited love scenario. She being infatuated, but DDL merely having affection

[edit] It will be interesting to see how "accurate" this trailer is.  How revealing of the nuances, story, etc are in the actual finished edit.  This might be pure marketing?  Specifically, for example, to get non-PTA-fanboy butts in theater seats?
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Re: Phantom Thread
« Reply #253 on: October 23, 2017, 10:32:52 AM »
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Obviously I don't know the contents of the film but this looks positively mild in comparison to...almost everything he's made before. If folks are looking for 'problematic', they have a rich 20 year career they can explore.
I'd like to think that PTA's stuff is (generally) about people with issues, in rough spots and observing them without judgement.


Update: Watched the trailer. PTA enters his Merchant Ivory phase?
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Re: Phantom Thread
« Reply #254 on: October 23, 2017, 10:41:18 AM »
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Looks good. Anderson seems back to being relaxed in camera movement for casual scenes. Seems like he is combining slower paced tone of his recent historical films with techniques that flooded his early films. I doubt he ever makes a film that tries to be Magnolia or Boogie Nights again, but I think that's a good thing too.

 

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