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« Reply #165 on: May 13, 2015, 02:59:41 PM »
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Also why didnt Paul include the whole genesis of Larry Sportello's nickname Doc, which was so cool, and I am on board with the folks who wanted to too see the acid trip with Bugs Bunny! THE MOVIE WAS SHOT @ Warner Bros, missed opportunity.

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« Reply #166 on: May 13, 2015, 03:04:59 PM »
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Welcome!

And yes, overall, this is the most mixed we've ever been about a PTA movie. My own mixed/disappointed review is here.

I have to be honest too and say I don't really have a desire to revisit the movie even for the parts I did like. Inherent Vice and Nymphomaniac coming in the same year was a little disillusioning.
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« Reply #167 on: May 13, 2015, 03:25:21 PM »
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Yeah Tier hasn't made anything really well in a while.

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« Reply #168 on: May 13, 2015, 09:22:08 PM »
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I may be swallowing the kool-aid to some extent, but I've watched the film upwards of ten times (yikes) between theater and blu, and it might be my second favorite of his at this point. I'm not sure I buy it working as a detective flick, similarly to how The Master didn't work as a scientology expose, but boy oh boy do I buy the tone of the thing. I want to crawl inside it. I think the reason I've gone back to it over and over again is because of the mystery the tone implies is waiting to be solved just under the fog of it all. Does it earn it? No idea/maybe not, but I can't remember a movie that will keep me looking for whatever 'it' is as long as this one will. It put me in a trance. The long takes, the music, the constant cloud of menace and coming storm.

One of my favorite things about mushrooms was the moments where an old girlfriend, or friend/loved one, popped into the brain and stayed there while I just felt stuff about them. Not memories of stories or anything, just really potent emotional currency that was thick with love and maybe longing. Long, cheeseball way of saying that's really similar to the feeling I experience with this movie. It's the tonal representation of all those feelings of acute absence in my life of someone I've loved at some point. It's not that the story of Doc and Shasta moves me all that much on the surface, but rather, Anderson achieved that end solely through the perfection of the tonal language he began with Punch Drunk Love. Like I said, maybe I've drank the kool-aid. I understand how this one might not work for a lot of people, but I've never seen a movie that made me feel the way Vice did and I'm finding it to be something worth returning to over and over.

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« Reply #169 on: May 13, 2015, 09:34:09 PM »
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Here are some movies to watch that I think would make a good program with IV:

Dusty Sweets and McGee--great film - kinda of hard to watch/// Floyd Mutrux is perhaps one of the most interesting unspoken and unsung filmmakers working in the 70s and 80s.. I love his cinematography, I believe the great Owen Reismen shot a lot of his movies..His films have that California Soul, not that I would know about that since I am a New Yorker but i feel it when i watch his movies, check out Aloha Bobby Rose, both of these movies have great pop soundtracks that did not feel forced! There is a sequence in Dusty Sweets and McGee that is just the AMAZING, it involves this young junkie couple shooting up post eggs and bacon or pre, don't remember to the sounds of Blues Image - Ride Captain Ride.
The Glory Stompers/ Hells Angels on Wheels( real Hells Angles in the movie + Adam Rourke and Jack Nicolson/ Born Losers/ The Devil's Angels ( I like this, its got a fun mood plus you can't go wrong with John Cassavettes playing a biker. ( This lot of movies recently played on TCM, I DVR'd all of them except Born Losers. I plan to get stoned and really watch these.
Dealing: an interesting movie with Barbra hershey and John Lithgow about this Bostonians slinging weed, cool movie.
Cisco Pike: Kris K, Karen Black, Gene Hackman is like a Bigfoot esque character, there is also Harry Dean Stanton!
There is an amazing scene in the movie Night Moves that is so eeriely like one in the book Inherent Vice, its the scene were this puss hound is dancing with some chick in a bar and fight ensues just like that scene in IV were the puss hound dances with random chicks and fucks one in the bathroom, the girl Doc brings with him


I think the best scene for me in IV was the scene with Michelle Sinclair and J.P getting high with the n02, loved that and in that scene Paul showed the world that he can muster a great and tantazling performance from an actress who does not get much opportunities to show her dramatic/ comedic chops. I hope Michelle Sinclair gets more work outside of porn because she is fantastic in ways that Shasha Grey is not( she was a bit like Nas in Belly, wooden and ultimately borning, I blame it on the piff)


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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #170 on: May 13, 2015, 09:38:17 PM »
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The best movie to watch stoned from Paul's filmography thus far is Punch Drunk Love, Inherent Vice is not fun to watch stoned, neither is Enter The Void, which I don't get why people say it has to been seen high. You know whats a great movie to watch stoned? Antonio Das Mortes! Look for this movie and trust me you will be in for a fucking treat if you watch high or sober!

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« Reply #171 on: May 13, 2015, 09:45:31 PM »
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Here are some movies to watch that I think would make a good program with IV:

Dusty Sweets and McGee

I've seen this, via the Warner Archive DVD, and I'm with you. Good call, and welcome to the forum






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« Reply #172 on: November 27, 2015, 06:26:00 AM »
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Thought this was an interesting podcast discussion, made me think about some scenes in new ways

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« Reply #173 on: December 07, 2015, 09:28:10 AM »
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so......................has anyone seen Yi Yi?

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« Reply #174 on: December 07, 2015, 10:38:08 AM »
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so......................has anyone seen Yi Yi?

yeah of course but how's that related
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« Reply #175 on: December 07, 2015, 02:08:53 PM »
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSpTnzQQ_ZQ&t=53m27s

sukiyaki!

its a popular song.
I donnoo...just really interested in the films he might have been pulling from or musical references

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« Reply #176 on: December 07, 2015, 05:06:02 PM »
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Sukiyaki also recently made an appearance in The Man in the High Castle. Second or third episode.
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« Reply #177 on: December 08, 2015, 06:58:02 AM »
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And in Mad Men, season 2, the Flight 1 episode.
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« Reply #178 on: December 28, 2015, 08:24:26 PM »
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It's funny to think that this is the only PTA film I didn't make a fuss over buying right when it came out. I still don't own the blu ray simply because I didn't see the point in revisiting it after my two theater viewings, I didn't feel the need to dig any deeper into it. Then, it just kind of came to me a second ago that maybe PTA was attempting to make the most dense stoner film of all time? Like, the go to quality those movies seem to shoot for is their rewatchability, that you can just throw it on at anytime, any scene, and have a laugh with your bros. It's probably the most universally reviled films by all his fans, though. I think what that speaks to is how adamantly he intended to make a Thomas Pynchon film over his own. That novel spoke to him so deeply, that he needed to propel it out there for us. I find that compelling. This movie is a beast to deal with, but I look forward to the day when I can sit on my couch, barefoot in the living room smoking a joint as fat as one doc would roll and really trying to get to the bottom of what this thing is about.

I'm grabbing Reelist's post from the other thread. Good stuff there. I agree that he definitely wanted to put Pynchon forward- and you know, this film brilliantly demonstrates his screenwriting/editing mastery. His ability to pare down a fairly dense novel into the most crucial plot points and thematic ideas. Honestly, he did better than I thought he could.

Even then, this is still pretty quintesentially a PTA film. There's this (very PTA) restless/yearning quality to it has been apparent in his works since PDL (arguably Magnolia). But if we're talking about something more concrete and less wanky, he promoted the relationships to forefront. The other book IV reminds me of is The Crying Lot of 49 (another Pynchon work). There's a lot of meandering to both stories and that's crucial because it really does demonstrate the confusion prevalent in both works, a feeling of this circular hopeless investigation. Anyway, PTA managed to capture that quality in the film yet he gave into his natural instinct and elevated the relationships. This is a side effect of trimming down the plot but boy does make the emotional aspects of the film more affecting. Some of the changes he made were pretty interesting MINOR NOVEL SPOILERS, having Shasta in the car at the end gave the ending a different vibe to the book. Then there's Sortilege's altered presence in the film which is really quite cool ands some moments of much needed warmth and affirmation (I adored that 'what's going to nag away at you in the middle of the night' part)- which also ties into Coy Harlingen's return to his family which is so goddamned nice in the film. However the best change in the whole film is the final Bigfoot scene- it takes a smaller conversation between Doc Denis in the book and turns into a puzzling dude vs dude confrontation. All of Doc's care and confusion, all of Bigfoot's internal struggle- 'no, but you could use a keeper'. That scene is definitely now part of the PTA essential canon.

Anyway, I think that PTA's reverence of Pynchon is evident in the film but to me, it is very much a PTA film. It does seem more apparent on repeat viewings.

On a relatedish note, it's pretty amusing how all over the internet everyone expected some sort of return to Boogie Nights and instead they got his most difficult work yet. Boogie Nights is challenging and brilliant on its own terms but this is still closest to The Master. This is a totally logical progression in style from The Master, from the way he frames his shots to how he structures the film (the anxious, uncomfortable comedy of PDL is also present in this film). Someone mentioned how The Master is a masterpiece (true) and IV is an interesting diversion. I think that's interesting because it certainly isn't a stylistic leap- the way Magnolia was to PDL was to TWBB to TM (yes, I think TWBB and TM are somewhat disparate). But it does seem like PTA has found a style which is comfortable to work in. Then again, he could easily throw this out the window with whatever he makes next.

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #179 on: July 08, 2017, 03:36:53 PM »
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Favorite film of all time. Marking this thread for future geek-vomit-rant.

 

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