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Re: The Master - SPOILERS!
« Reply #285 on: February 13, 2013, 09:12:49 PM »
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It's pretty bizarre, everything you just said are/were my feelings exactly.
Just like you, I used to have TWBB cravings on a daily/weekly basis for a couple of years, and after seeing the master that constant churning  transferred over seamlessly. Seen it 8 times so far, and I'm burning for the next one. (Cinema near me kept it since September). I think I may actually have some sort of addiction to being immersed in the world of this fucking film.

Congrats on seeing it finally!

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Re: The Master - SPOILERS!
« Reply #286 on: February 13, 2013, 09:35:45 PM »
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(Cinema near me kept it since September).



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Re: The Master - SPOILERS!
« Reply #287 on: February 13, 2013, 10:24:49 PM »
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LOL damn is right. Berkeley people have good taste, it's a little 48 seat cinema and it always has a crowd.

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Re: The Master - SPOILERS!
« Reply #288 on: February 14, 2013, 04:14:56 AM »
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What's funny is that unlike CMBB I honestly don't know what to tell people when they ask me if they should go and see it. Of course I always say "sure, you should see it", but then I get all those questions about what the movie is about and it starts getting weird. I end up telling them it's an experience more than a regular movie. That ends up getting them excited and I always have an excuse if they complain that they didn't like. "Hey, I warned you."
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Re: The Master - SPOILERS!
« Reply #289 on: February 14, 2013, 09:49:14 AM »
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Well I saw it but I can't talk about it too much. Seen it twice now, feels I can't stop thinking about it. Read everything here, mulling it over. The second time was even better. What I've been telling people is that the general public does not deserve films as great as this.

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Re: The Master - SPOILERS!
« Reply #290 on: February 14, 2013, 10:38:06 AM »
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Holy shit!


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Re: The Master - SPOILERS!
« Reply #292 on: February 14, 2013, 04:13:50 PM »
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I was watching something on TV earlier on, about Martin Short and his career and all that. Well, there was a part where they talked about SNL, and his character  "Ed Grimley". They showed some parts of skits and the first thing that came to my mind was "Freddie":





The shirt, the super high pants, the posture/body language, talking without opening his mouth too much, etc.

Seeing as PTA is a huge SNL fan, I think it may have been in his subconscious somewhere.
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Re: The Master - SPOILERS!
« Reply #293 on: February 15, 2013, 09:37:39 AM »
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UNGUIDED MESSAGE.
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Re: The Master - SPOILERS!
« Reply #294 on: February 16, 2013, 08:21:53 AM »
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I've been wanting to give my take on the visual dynamics of this shot ever since I saw it, now that i have a copy of the film, I can screenshot the frame and finally post it (Yes I downloaded the film, but I've also pre-ordered so whatever).



Straight after the processing scene when Dodd and Freddie symbolically fall in love and have a post coital smoke (Kools).

As you can see the placing of the actors, Freddie next to his man Dodd, and there appears to be a symbolic void (the doorway) visible now between Dodd and his wife.

Amy Adams keeps looking at Dodd then Freddie, glancing at Freddie at the end with a suspicious look (reverberated in so many instances later in the film).

Just one of the many great visual layering from The Master

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Re: The Master - SPOILERS!
« Reply #295 on: February 16, 2013, 11:17:32 AM »
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That was pretty good Heywood. 

PTA has always been a very visual filmmaker, but I love how in THE MASTER his visuals have become much more subtle. One of my favorites has to be this:


On the right side of the frame. He falls asleep, can't have sex:







On the left side of the frame. Now he's sexually frustrated and pissed the fuck off, and on the right side of the frame in the background there are 2 mannequins getting married:





"Is this for your wife?"


Also notice that there's a baby crying loudly in the background during that whole scene. It's all so simple but so fucking great.
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Re: The Master - SPOILERS!
« Reply #296 on: February 16, 2013, 04:59:43 PM »
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Speaking of downloading, if any of you guys who have the bluray can upload the extras that would be sweet. Don't have a Bluray player.

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Re: The Master - SPOILERS!
« Reply #297 on: February 19, 2013, 09:50:09 AM »
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Sweet picture. It's 70mm.


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Re: The Master - SPOILERS!
« Reply #298 on: February 22, 2013, 10:59:19 AM »
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I've definitely heard/thought of this angle before, but I always get stuck when the final shot of the film of Freddie at peace with the sand-woman chronologically isn't congruent with the experiences he had. And really, that shot doesn't exactly resonate "peace", it feels more like a drunken, comfortable, last-resort safe cuddle.
The most interesting thing about this shot to me is that in the background all the men are all heading off somewhere in a single file line, while Freddie is asleep.  Almost like he missed the boat, or will miss the boat, literally and metaphorically. In fact, I'm not sure anyone else touched on this, but it's the only beach scene with this exact composition (the sailors leaving single file in the Background).

The fact that it's a woman "made of sand" makes it even more layered, because sand is fleeting, and Freddie is incapable of having this kind of cuddling/safe/sustained connection with a fleshed person. His master may not be a person, but his constantly moving, changing, dissolving, and building emotions are, and also what they make him latch on to. And these can be characterized as a sand-woman. It's really hard to intellectualize this, and I don't think the film is meant to completely intellectualize it, which is even more beautiful because this film is just as beautiful to intellectualize as it is to feel.
Life is something that gets washed away, that must be given back, so I find there to be as much of an allegory about life, love, taming the dragon, etc than specifically speaking to Freddie's arc as a character, but i can dig it both ways (no pun intended).
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Re: The Master - SPOILERS!
« Reply #299 on: March 08, 2013, 01:41:26 PM »
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Well, I've seen it three times now.
I guess after reading all these comments I have few things to say, but PTA's mention of Raoul Walsh as a "nuts & bolts director" and influence here really starts to make sense after the second viewing. This film goes very directly from one thing to the next, every scene as a consequence of the last. There's almost no wasted time, no contextualization, no introductions, just the action, the moment taking place. You're there in the moment with Freddie, particularly during the first 15 minutes or so, when everything happens so fast and you start realizing it's all about him, it's all about how he's walking directly into the Cause. But after Lancaster and Freddie meet, this continues. I think that by using elipsis in this way PTA is somehow rediscovering narrative cinema for us. He is going the opposite of what "contemplative cinema" does, and at the same time he's distancing himself of all the "narrative fat" most films have. It really is a "nuts & bolts", very direct film. It may be just too direct for audiences to follow completely, which would explain why people think is pointless. They can't keep up with it's rhythm.

 

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