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velociraptor

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I would say Greenwood is king of the new teaser. The score is so haunting and bizarre. The choppy cut-in of the little fiddle/flute after "we've all been in love" is startling and throws me off every time. The whole thing feels like a dream. From my perspective, it looks unlike anything PTA has done before. Surely there are reminders of TWBB and his and other filmmaker's work- but what catches my attention the most is the utter uniqueness and subtlety of it. This is my favorite piece of advertising since the first teaser.

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I would say Greenwood is king of the new teaser. The score is so haunting and bizarre. The choppy cut-in of the little fiddle/flute after "we've all been in love" is startling and throws me off every time. The whole thing feels like a dream. From my perspective, it looks unlike anything PTA has done before. Surely there are reminders of TWBB and his and other filmmaker's work- but what catches my attention the most is the utter uniqueness and subtlety of it. This is my favorite piece of advertising since the first teaser.

I completely agree. It is the weirdest footage we've seen since the first teaser. Someone said the music was "distracting". Pfft, I think the music is PERFECT. It gets under your skin and totally hypnotizes you. If Greenwood doesn't win the oscar, there will be fucking blood.

Also, Joaquin shows even moooore excellent acting. That part at around 1:20 where he says "she wrote me a letter..." and then stops and subtly smiles then quietly goes "uhm.."....  WOW. 

Now waiting for more PSH.
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i also agree. this new trailer is the best thing they've released. it's phenomenal. it's like a full length teaser if that makes any sense.

the timehole business ties in perfectly with what i've been saying about the multiple meanings of the term "master".. in this case they are once again referring to a definitive moment in time, getting to "the ground floor". in the first teaser we had the interviewer help freddie remember the truth about a past event, to remember the master version of his life.

there's more to say.. especially about the two lines "she wrote me a letter" and "she looked at me".. they encapsulate the movie for me. but who cares.. a couple of fuckos will have seen this movie in less than 12 hours!
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the two lines "she wrote me a letter" and "she looked at me".. they encapsulate the movie for me.



How so?... (asking genuinely)

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the timehole business ties in perfectly with what i've been saying about the multiple meanings of the term "master".. in this case they are once again referring to a definitive moment in time, getting to "the ground floor". in the first teaser we had the interviewer help freddie remember the truth about a past event, to remember the master version of his life.

 :bravo:

I think you just blew the pre-analysis of this film wide open. I don't know how this meaning of the phrase "The Master" had never occurred to me, as it seems so blindingly obvious in hindsight.
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i also agree. this new trailer is the best thing they've released. it's phenomenal. it's like a full length teaser if that makes any sense.

the timehole business ties in perfectly with what i've been saying about the multiple meanings of the term "master".. in this case they are once again referring to a definitive moment in time, getting to "the ground floor". in the first teaser we had the interviewer help freddie remember the truth about a past event, to remember the master version of his life.

there's more to say.. especially about the two lines "she wrote me a letter" and "she looked at me".. they encapsulate the movie for me. but who cares.. a couple of fuckos will have seen this movie in less than 12 hours!
I love this interpretation. I had thought of the concept of the "master shot" from the first teaser (I think from a post you made previously in this thread), but never this concept of the "master version" of life and the thematic relation to Phoenix begging for truth in the second teaser. Wonderful. 

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Someone (anonymous) mentioned (at Cigsandredvines) that the music for the new teaser sounds a bit like the music in Robert Altman's "3 women"... So I checked it out..





I can hear little similarities here and there but still, Greenwood's score is just unmatchable. Though is good to see PTA possibly still has a little bit of Altman in him...
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I haven't seen the movie, I don't know if this belongs in this spoiler talk thread or fan analysis thread but I'll post it here just in case.

These two comments at Cigarettes and Red Vines are interesting, especially the latter.


admin edit: the following two screen caps contain spoilerish content that is not entirely necessary to appreciate the analysis below, which is still based on the trailers, click at own risk

click here for first comment

click here for second comment

Now what I'm taking from this, is that the film is essentially about memory & memories. The key to this I think is the fact that the first commenter mentioned that:

"Plus for a lot of the scenes that ARE in the movie, they used a lot of alternate takes for the trailers. So the experience of seeing the movie can actually be FRESH"

Why would PTA do that?
I think it is showing how a person remembers a memory or an experience, it's not exactly how it really was, it's not 'The Master of that Memory' (Thanks Pubrick) it's how you comprehended it at that point in time, from a perspective you had at that point in time, how you 'processed' that information.

And I think the 3rd Teaser fits in here beautifully.

LOVE. Love is a key to how this works. Remember from personal experience, when you have been in Love, even if that Love is diminished, that memory that you might have from an experience you processed when you were in love, still holds that emotional value that you attributed to it back then, hence that memory is not like how it really was, but how you remembered it to be.

I might be stretching it here, but I actually have strong faith in this next point, otherwise why would Paul even do it this way?

Okay, now let's look at the teasers and trailers.

I've already seen people mention that the teasers aren't colour corrected... but what if they weren't meant to be? What if the blown out hazy look of the teasers were meant to represent a memory of that scene. Not 'The Master Experience'. What if the reason PTA released these in only 720p was to achieve a fragment, a hazy look, not well defined and beautiful but a flashback. When you remember a memory, you don't really remember details, you remember just the focus of the memory, usually just the conversation etc.





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Weird, I posted this comment into the spoiler talk thread, and now it's here? Can someone tell me if they moved it to here, I was just being careful on where I posted it.

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It was a tough decision to move it here as it does contain some minor spoilers. But the analytical content is brilliant and should be read by anyone interested in the trailers.

I don't know, I may live to regret it.
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Further defense of the move:

I might be wrong. I should probably err on the side of caution and move it back to the forbidden zone but i just don't believe it's really a spoiler to know that footage from the trailer is not in the film. That concept in general is quite a common occurrence, it's not necessary to know which shots specifically didn't make it .. the point being made is PTA's use of this device.
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That's cool Pubrick, I would have liked to post it here anyway, but I was too afraid that people would slap me around in the mud for doing so. But I see you've put a spoiler warning on the comments from Cigs&RedVines  :yabbse-thumbup:

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he did the same thing with the scopitones back in pdl times. remember when the plan at one point was to edit an entire alternate version of pdl but he ended up doing 12 minutes (blossoms + blood)?

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If you get the chance, check out this documentary from Adam Curtis "The Century of Self" --- it provides a really strong context of what happened when American soldiers returned from WW2, anxious, violent and depressed, and how the American government with the help of psychoanalysis reacted to this. It uses footage from the John Huston documentary, and as I was watching it I realized how both PD-L and TWBB and maybe The Master (which I haven't seen) all deal with repression, the irrational self and the desire to control the irrational self and return the individual to the status quo....I'm a newbie here and I'm sure this has been gone into before on these boards, it's just that watching the Adam Curtis doc - really highlighted that for me and touched upon stuff I've seen in The Master trailers....



Episode starts at 0:58:34

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While waiting patiently to see the movie, I was thinking about the names of characters in "The Master" and got nowhere. And then I thought that the name "Lancaster" might be a homage to Burt Lancaster - the star of "Sweet Smell of Success" and "Elmer Gantry".

PTA's debut was originally named after Tony Curtis' character in "Sweet Smell of Success", so I thought the name "Lancaster" might be a great connection.

I know there are probably more differences than similarities, but still, JJ Hunsecker and "Lancaster" are similarly powerful men, and Sydney Falco and "Freddie" will do almost anything to curry the favor of their "masters".

And, Philip Seymour Hoffman's Lancaster seems more vibrant and charismatic like Elmer Gantry than Paul Dano's Eli in "There Will Be Blood".

 

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