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Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
« on: April 17, 2003, 05:59:15 AM »
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Since Magnolia is the type of film people either love of hate, I'm intrigued to know what reactions you guys have got to it from friends, family etc. I got the usual "It was OK until the part when they all sang and it started raining frogs. What was THAT all about??!" (Cue me slapping hand to my forehead).

I honestly spent three hours in the pub one Christmas Day arguing with my reasonably smart mate about why Magnolia was a better film than Speed 2 (which he also hated, but prefered to Magnolia)

For example (from Amazon one-star reviews) "Let me just say this movie was completely engaging, interesting and thought provoking, right up until it started raining frogs. I thought and thought for some connection or metaphor that the frogs could represent. Did I miss something? What so brilliant about raining frogs?"

Or: "I'm still trying to figure out what the story was, not what it was about (which is nothing), but what it was. Why should I expend all my energy to figure this out?  No disrespect to those who really liked this movie, but are you sure you're not just trying to be weird?"

Or this cracker: " Tom Cruise was the worst. He did a great job acting but his character was so disgusting that I felt embarrassed just to be watching it. This was one of the worst movies I have EVER seen in my life. The movie was so stupid that I began laughing at the stupidity. Right around the scene where all the characters are singing together is where I came the very close to pushing the "stop" button on my remote control. "

Why do some folk hate this move so much?

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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2003, 06:16:36 AM »
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Dont some people hate what they dont understand? Or what they dont want to understand.
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2003, 06:20:30 AM »
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Perhaps in some cases because Kevin Smith doesn't like it, fans of Mr. Smith will not bring themselves to like that movie. They don't do it on purpose, but subconsciously. They rent the movie in some cases wanting to hate it.

As for commoners disliking the film, these are the people who go and buy Big Macs at McDonalds everyday (McDonalds, there's a horrible store.. At least at Burger King they let you choose what you want on it, at McDonalds they premake all their burgers in the morning and freeze them, nothing is ever fresh, it's disgusting).  They don't like films told in a unique or different fashion, and they don't like out of the ordinary. How can I make such a broad generalization about people? It's easy, just look at McDonalds' sign."Over 99 billion foods sold per day" (took some poetic license there). I'm not saying that all people who like McDonalds hate Magnolia, don't get me wrong, I'm saying that all people who hate Magnolia eat at McDonalds.

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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2003, 06:35:33 AM »
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Maybe it's just not some people's cup of tea.

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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2003, 07:17:12 AM »
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burger king? i love you.

can i kiss you?

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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2003, 07:56:56 AM »
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I'm saying that all people who hate Magnolia eat at McDonalds.


Well put! I'm a vegetarian.....but I do hate the french-fries at McDonald's. I guess that makes me a semi-magnolia-lover.......I do like the twister-fries at Burger King. So I'm a bit confused. Where does all this put me, MrBurgerKing...I need some of your burgerphilosophy to answer my questions.

To sum it all up:

-I'm a Vegetarian
-I don't like the french-fries and the Filet'O'Fish at McDonald's
-I Like the twister-fries at Burgerking and the fact that they have a vege-burger.

Now, my question to you MrBurgerKing is:

Is it possible to tell if I like Magnolia or not, on the basis of these informations i've given you?  :?

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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2003, 08:53:52 AM »
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What the fuck are we talking about here? Mr. BurgerKing, I think it's a tragedy that you reduce people's film sophistication to what kind of food they eat.

Sorry, but I don't think burger or unburger has anything to do with it.

People who enjoy engaging stories and characters with depth gobble up P.T. Anderson films.  People who like cardboard stories and equally flat characters like those 'other' films.

And that's all there is to it, my man.  :-D
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2003, 08:59:17 AM »
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What the fuck are we talking about here? Mr. BurgerKing, I think it's a tragedy that you reduce people's film sophistication to what kind of food they eat.

Sorry, but I don't think burger or unburger has anything to do with it.

People who enjoy engaging stories and characters with depth gobble up P.T. Anderson films.  People who like cardboard stories and equally flat characters like those 'other' films.

And that's all there is to it, my man.  :-D


I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say.....

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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2003, 09:27:08 AM »
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sigur, thats a nastyass ugly avatar. you have.

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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2003, 09:34:16 AM »
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sigur, thats a nastyass ugly avatar. you have.


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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2003, 09:41:02 AM »
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some people just dont like it. and think its way too long. and theyd post similar things:

"why do some people love magnolia so much? probably because its long and 'symbolic' (frogs?) and theyre all snobs to they want to appear smart by saying they love it"

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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2003, 09:43:47 AM »
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I'm saying that all people who hate Magnolia eat at McDonalds.

-I don't like the french-fries and the Filet'O'Fish at McDonald's


This, please, cannot be....

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My favorite favorite movie is Magnolia.
Most people, including myself, did not understand it on the first viewing.
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2003, 09:50:57 AM »
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a nasty man indeed you are if you buy your fish tru a drive thru. that is sick.

by the way, so is the filet'o'fish.

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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2003, 10:19:43 AM »
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I loved it, but....people it hate it because......

it was too long
the story was not tight
the frogs

I think that if Paul would have removed a few *lives*, it would have been easier for the general public to digest.  Actually, that's what he did w/ P-DL, but it was too weird for the general public, and too classy for the average Sandler fan.

IMHO, I could be wrong.

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Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2003, 12:53:01 PM »
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A film school teacher (who's actually worked a real job in the industry, and who had a fairly decent taste in films) thought that Magnolia was too gimmicky (frogs, et al). Some people can't see through the shock value to the brilliance underneath. It's a shame.

But I have a bit of a theory about the "common moviegoer" not liking Magnolia. Most films that seem to do well always push a message that says "do what you like, follow your heart no matter who it affects, and good things will happen". I personally hate shit like this. Magnolia seemed to say that "we all do bad things, we have to look back and realize this, and try to be more responsible in the future". This is all summed up in Rose's line "you should know better". The common filmgoer doesn't like to feel guilty at the end of a movie, and hates the idea that he is responsible to try and fix his own stupid actions. So, they end up "not getting the point" of Magnolia, and they tell us it's a stupid movie, because it doesn't excuse them from life like most popcorn movies do.

'course that's just my opinion... I could be wrong.
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