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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #195 on: June 03, 2014, 01:59:17 AM »
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Not a whole lot to add, but that in a fight to the death, I'm pretty sure victory is contingent on your opponent actually being dead. So I'm not sure why 03 thinks Oberyn won the fight by knocking the Mountain down and stabbing him, when ensuing events demonstrated that he wasn't, you know, dead yet. There's no grey area there; dead or not dead is as binary as you can get.

I don't know, it was a perfectly fine, normal episode. The fight was fine, everything was fine. Arya breaking into a laugh when they get to the Vail and are told that her aunt is dead was one of the best moments of the season.
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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #196 on: June 03, 2014, 04:42:45 AM »
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that fight was fucking ridiculous for numerous reasons:
- the mountain taking that long to kill him was ridiculous. i don't know if any of you know anything about sword fighting, but he is supposed to be this legendary fighter and he's stumbling around like an idiot with that sword, he looked like a giant baby.

I'm no specialist by any means then it comes to the sword fighting, but as far I understand almost no film/series is depicting a realistic medieval warfare. Fighting in a state of the art armor included a shield and a short, light sword, where thrusts were aimed against the groin/neck/armpit. Sword against sword is just way more cinematic. I don't mind it in series with dragons and white walkers.

I enjoyed fight between the Viper and the Mountain for what is worth.

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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #197 on: June 03, 2014, 10:17:06 AM »
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I was actually surprised by how quickly the fight was over, I was expecting it to be more drawn out. The choreography was well done, I don't expect sword fighting to be realistic in this show, it's a fantasy series. I have to give props to the production value. I've been rewatching the first season with a friend of mine and it just feels so cheap compared to what the show is doing now. Sansa's walk down the steps looked beautiful.

Looking forward to Neil Marshall's return next week.
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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #198 on: June 03, 2014, 10:56:19 AM »
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Yes, the production values in season 1 were completely worthless compared to what they have now.

I loved the swordfight, the way it escalated quickly and was done before you could process it. I was actually thinking about how exciting these tv shows can get and how movies need to think some shit up to enhance or push the experience somewhere else. Because these shows are doing everything hollywood movies do and doing it better (fargo too made me think of this).

Now yes, the guy dies, but if course our excitement / fear is not for him entirely. We know Tyrion is in deep shit now and the cliffhanger is what will happen to him.

Anyway, I love this fucking show.

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Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
« Reply #199 on: June 03, 2014, 11:12:38 AM »
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I think we can stop marking spoilers in our posts, because they are all spoilers. I'll update the thread title and we can be done with it.

I don't think it's problematic that Oberyn did so well in the fight. For two reasons:

- His fighting style seemed to precisely exploit the Mountain's weaknesses.
- It was necessary to increase the impact of the ending.

And no, Oberyn did not win. It was almost worse than being smashed by the Mountain right away. The way Oberyn died was an absolute humiliation.

New prediction: Varys helps Tyrion escape. I would bet on it.
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Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
« Reply #200 on: June 06, 2014, 07:05:44 PM »
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This should have been posted earlier. It's great. Massive spoilers obviously.

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Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
« Reply #201 on: June 07, 2014, 12:52:49 PM »
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 yeah, I saw that :(

I usually re-watch the episodes but this time I couldn't see again Oberyin's death, it crushed me harder than any death yet, not even the Red Wedding which was devastating and far more cruel. Naively I was so sure he would make it, mainly because I felt his story was building into something greater, didn't expect he would kill any Lannisters but at least that he'd avenge his sister while saving Tyrion, how wrong I was...

New prediction: Varys helps Tyrion escape. I would bet on it.

I like your bet but why do you think that? the obvious choice is Jamie but this show isn't that, which btw Tyrion should be doomed since he has no apparent escape so then, is it logical he is going to make it? maybe Jaime and Varys team up...

I hope Tyrion somehow lives and escapes, this time though, I'm lowering my expectations.

Wonder how Oberyin's fate will be taken in Dorne, Tywin wanted them to get back into the fold an be again the seven kingdoms, now that's fucked, someone someday must make them pay for this.


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Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
« Reply #202 on: June 07, 2014, 01:16:33 PM »
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New prediction: Varys helps Tyrion escape. I would bet on it.

I like your bet but why do you think that? the obvious choice is Jamie but this show isn't that, which btw Tyrion should be doomed since he has no apparent escape so then, is it logical he is going to make it? maybe Jaime and Varys team up...

Jamie helping Tyrion escape is somehow too obvious, plus eyes will be on him. People already know he wants to save his brother.

Varys's testimony in the trial is what makes me think he will have some role in saving Tyrion. Don't remember the exact wording, but it vaguely sounded like he still wanted to honor what Tyrion did to save King's Landing. He likes Tyrion.

Jamie telling Tyrion "I'm the only friend you have left" etc. also strikes me as a hint that there is someone else, i.e. Varys. I can't think of another candidate.

Tyrion is going to survive for now. I think that much we can take for granted.
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Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
« Reply #203 on: June 08, 2014, 02:34:38 PM »
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when is maclaren directing another episode? i want tonight to blow my socks off. last week i just felt like i had more socks put on. or wet socks.

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Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
« Reply #204 on: June 08, 2014, 11:48:34 PM »
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Definitely going to rewatch this one in the next few days. What a technical achievement that was. Even the giants and mammoths were entirely convincing.

I still do not understand why King's Landing has offered zero help to defend the wall. I even remember Tywin saying that an attack on the wall might be imminent. That was a number of episodes ago. So he's not ignorant about it, not too late, and not helpless either. He has an army. The Tyrells have an army. So what's the deal? Can anyone enlighten me? I don't think I missed anything that would explain this.

Ygritte is problematic. I was glad when she died. I mean, we've seen her butchering random civilians in raids without a twinge of guilt. Also, she really didn't have enough time to decide what to do when she inevitably came across Jon Snow? Their encounter and that romantic moment... it was all a bit silly. And I might have literally cringed when she forced her catch phrase out one last time with her dying breath. She was really trying to make that a thing.

POTENTIAL BOOK SPOILERS:

Based on something I just read, it sounds like the battle in the books does in fact last multiple nights. I wonder if they've done some condensing. Surely we won't get more episodes early next season to cover the rest of the battle.
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Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
« Reply #205 on: June 09, 2014, 02:50:47 AM »
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ask and ye shall recieve. man alive, what an episode.

bestshit:

- they teased us with the amazing giants quite some time ago but it was entirely worth the wait.
- in addition to giants we had their equally amazing wooly mammoths. i literally felt like a child when i saw the first glimpse; the overall appearance and vibe of the creatures is storybook nostalgic, seriously. and they were insanely more amazing than the dragons ever were.
- every fight scene was brutal no matter how brief the shot
- long tracking shot was COCONUTS
- giants
- we have had solely action based episodes before that have not had similar emotional impact as some gutpunch episodes, but this one tied it together beautifully with doing mostly kickass action scenes that made me completely off guard for ygrittes death, call me crazy, but i didnt see it coming. and you know what? i want to blame the shows direction for that. not my ignorance. i was so absorbed, it made me fall in love with the show all over again, waiting to see if she would shoot snow..
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notsobestshit:
- i HATE the samwell with chick and baby subplot. i love samwell by himself. i feel the only reason they continue the boring back and forth emotional tension between them only serves to build payoff when something kills them probaly.
- the defense strategies in this show usually make no fucking sense.
i mean, jesus christ, this is based super loosely on a time in history where warfare was taken very seriously, and these seasoned guys are all like 'yeah lets drop the barrels of flaming shit at the very last minute after we've let them kill a lot of us.' and the random switching of commandment? like ok now you do it and thats an order! just a little awkward.


overall one of the best episodes of the series due to visual wizardry and nicely executed plot points.

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Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
« Reply #206 on: June 09, 2014, 05:40:15 AM »
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I still do not understand why King's Landing has offered zero help to defend the wall. I even remember Tywin saying that an attack on the wall might be imminent. That was a number of episodes ago. So he's not ignorant about it, not too late, and not helpless either. He has an army. The Tyrells have an army. So what's the deal? Can anyone enlighten me? I don't think I missed anything that would explain this.



That's why I thought this episode was boring (yeah, I like giants, but I don't care about 50 minutes of giants and arrows and characters i don't care about), the show erased everything that was interesting about the Wall or this battle. Everything. I was just thinking "Oh, they have money. Good for them."; I think this is the best season of GoT yet, I wanted an episode of season 4 not the resolution of a storyline they should have dealt with in season 3.

I think the finale next week (who should be great, and I don't see how it won't be) will be clear about who cares about the Wall outside the "CROWS AND LOVE" universe of Game of Thrones.
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Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
« Reply #207 on: June 09, 2014, 02:48:10 PM »
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- i HATE the samwell with chick and baby subplot. i love samwell by himself. i feel the only reason they continue the boring back and forth emotional tension between them only serves to build payoff when something kills them probaly.

I'm still in the middle of watching the episode, but I just had to point out that I sincerely hope Sam's "I promise you I won't die" was a deliberate Team America reference.
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Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
« Reply #208 on: June 10, 2014, 01:24:12 AM »
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I'm still in the middle of watching the episode, but I just had to point out that I sincerely hope Sam's "I promise you I won't die" was a deliberate Team America reference.

That's exactly the first thing i thought of too.

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Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
« Reply #209 on: June 10, 2014, 01:10:47 PM »
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Apparently the finale is 66 minutes.

Also, Benioff & Weiss are hyperbolically proud of the episode.
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