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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #165 on: May 01, 2013, 05:43:00 AM »
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As for a release date, considering Paul takes his time editing and whatnot, I'd say we'll hear about it a year from now at Cannes 2014.
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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #166 on: May 01, 2013, 08:26:27 AM »
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are we doomed to repeat this non-dilemma every few pages? if so let's all just repost what we said the first time around, here's my take on it from page 4:

i think this time it's perfectly fine to read the book. with Oil i don't think PTA actually gave a shit about the actual story of that snoozefest. this time it looks like he's really invested in the book and he has reverence for the author. i want to read it cos all i've ever heard is that it's MINOR pynchon. so why make a movie about it?

i think PT wanted to do a detective story on one level (for the reason listed in the primer) but he jumped on the chance to also explore an even bigger mystery that is Pynchon himself. what's there to talk about so much that they've been meeting all these times? they're not just talking about the book. PTA set out to make friends with one of the most elusive authors of our time. he always seems to set himself this kind of challenge.. observe:

he wrote Frank TJ Mackey for Cruise. he stalked him out, of all the actors we've heard about in that film, the most intestesting pre production bit that we never got to see in the making of doco was when he went to the set of freaking EWS to talk to Cruise.. was mark rance there? he must've at least tried. but they don't even mention it! of all the preproduction madness from script writing to rehearsal to shooting post production and everything else he covered in That Moment, that has to be the most juicy bit in the legend that is the making of magnolia. to say nothing of the fact PTA was also seeking to encounter that certain Pynchon of directors, maybe befriend him too.

the fact it emerged as such a memorable event highlights the specific focus he had put on Tom Cruise as a pivotal part of this film. Cruise is himself one of the most elusive big name actors around. and PTA made a huge effort to win him over. what's next.. Sandler is not so much inaccessible as he is hard to take seriously, he is arguably on the same celebrity status as Cruise which grants him special "outsider" status in society by virtue of being so rare, but i think the real elusive character he was hoping to befriend in PDL was Sean Penn who passed on the role of mattress man.

during this time we have come to learn that he also was trying to court Joaquin Phoenix in some unknown capacity. this dude is ALSO famous for being inaccessible. but i'm skipping ahead. after PDL he decides to go after this amazing actor who has all but retired into a farm somewhere save for indulging his wife in that one film of hers and helping his buddy Marty make some money. i'm talking about DDL of course. and the way i described in the primer that he talked to DDL is very similar to the kind of affection he showed for Sandler in that clip where they ate gummy bears that one time. PTA LOVES to befriend the outsiders in his world.

Downey Jr is no longer an outsider but he definitely has been, regardless of how much the teenagers making him rich these days are unaware of it. he spent years in the wildnerness. clearly he's well suited to the role of some pot smoking detective on the hunt for who knows what, some woman probably, but the real star of this film i think will be the phantom presence of the author. he's continuing to bring the outsider to light.

this is why PTA loves character actors so much, as far as to transform them into leads through sheer force of will. his early films are populated almost exclusively by actors who have no reason to believe they are the centre of the world. PDL was an interesting experiment because sandler was indeed that, but that's another topic, i'll just briefly say that was a perfect way to show someone who gets no respect in some circles playing someone who gets no respect in his familial circle finding his inner strength through a lifelong fan. With DDL and JoaqP he summoned the KINGS of the fringe (of sanity?). this is different to what Tarantino does when he shoehorns random forgotten actors into his films and revives their careers that should have in most cases stayed dead. he's a fanboy, nothing more.

what PTA is doing is much more sophisticated than what that hack does, PT is putting things in their proper place, showing us things as they were meant to be, actors in roles they were meant to play. not some stupid gimmick that only trash-loving neckbeards really care about. so read the book, read ALL of Pynchon's books.. they deserve to be read, and you have PTA's blessing.


TL;DR: Oil was a piece of shit that meant nothing to PTA and had barely anything to do with the final product. Inherent Vice the book is perhaps just another excuse to get to know a weirdo but at least he's consistently praising the text and the author. PTA is obviously a huge fan of Pynchon, this whole thing is an endorsement of his work and an attempt to make the definitive Pynchon adaptation.

do we have any Pynchon experts in the room? i mean, people who really know what they're talking about? the dude is not just any old author, he's like JD Salinger + Joseph Heller + William Gaddis or something, am i right? he's as good in his field as PTA is in his. Upton Sinclair was a prolific pulitzer prize winning hack compared to these guys.
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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #167 on: May 01, 2013, 09:54:08 AM »
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like you said, pubrick, asking someone to explain pynchon here is like someone here being asked by a literature person to explain pta -- mm-hmm. no but seriously. pynchon is a modern knight of literature, and he lived in manhattan beach (a lil south of la) for several years, is talked about in la sometimes (in order to talk about la)(and he has ucla/usc classes of course), and i've heard mark danielewski say pynchon was against movies in the 70s, and danielewski complained about inherent vice being made (i became frustrated irl, and danielewski probably google tags his own name, sorry dude, true story).

pynchon is reclusive like sallinger was, provides comedy like heller does (wait, is heller dead? i should google), and he has intellectual densities that would make him a good topic with gaddis. so pubrick threw down good pubrick names. and like them, pynchon has his individual rep

most of his life is a secret, but a story i've heard is that one day, while living in manhattan beach, he went into the street in a party way and handed everyone in the street a pie and there was a pie throwing party. it's the only classic pynchon irl story i know and like
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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #168 on: May 01, 2013, 03:05:30 PM »
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Fuck yes!  Reading that they're about to shoot this made my day. 

I'm curious to hear your guys thoughts are you glad that Robert Elswit is back on board or would you rather see what Paul and Mihai Malaimare Jr could do for a couple of pictures?

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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #169 on: May 01, 2013, 03:16:13 PM »
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Can't wait to get some official casting news. If Cheech turns out to be in it, I'm quitting my job and starting a cult based around my prophetic abilities. You're all invited. Bring chicks.
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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #170 on: May 01, 2013, 04:19:06 PM »
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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #171 on: May 01, 2013, 05:00:12 PM »
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Seriously, fuck that guy. Incidents like this are all the proof you need that old-school entertainment media is rotting outside its grave.

EDIT: Trolling the dude like crazy, by the way. Who cares to join me?
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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #172 on: May 01, 2013, 05:23:09 PM »
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What a douche-canoe.

I'm curious to hear your guys thoughts are you glad that Robert Elswit is back on board or would you rather see what Paul and Mihai Malaimare Jr could do for a couple of pictures?

Elswit is fantastic but I'd really like to see PTA work with Mihai again at some point. Seriously, I struggled to believe how good The Master looked when I first watched it.


Also, I think old Paulie could do a good job of adapting Vonnegut. I would like to see that.

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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #173 on: May 01, 2013, 05:31:33 PM »
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Also, I think old Paulie could do a good job of adapting Vonnegut. I would like to see that.

Oh good god, yes. A PTA version of God Bless You Mr. Rosewater, or Jailbird, or Cat's Cradle, or (though George Roy Hill's version is pretty much fantastic and definitive) Slaughterhouse-Five... my pants are already coming off.
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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #174 on: May 01, 2013, 05:35:01 PM »
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EDIT: Trolling the dude like crazy, by the way. Who cares to join me?

Reelist, you need to get in on this.

Time to redeem yourself after the debacle in the drunk tank.
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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #175 on: May 01, 2013, 05:49:05 PM »
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Also, I think old Paulie could do a good job of adapting Vonnegut. I would like to see that.

Oh good god, yes. A PTA version of God Bless You Mr. Rosewater, or Jailbird, or Cat's Cradle, or (though George Roy Hill's version is pretty much fantastic and definitive) Slaughterhouse-Five... my pants are already coming off.
i can golden bridge this with a recent link to an article from a young hollywood actor whose first book comes out soon (i've read it, it's good, good publisher too):

http://thoughtcatalog.com/2013/the-6-most-intense-experiences-ive-had-with-art-so-far/

i'd like pt to aim back at pt alone, but vonnegut has supporters, definitely
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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #176 on: May 01, 2013, 06:40:58 PM »
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Do you folks want Jon Brion back or Greenwood or someone completely new?

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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #177 on: May 01, 2013, 07:51:15 PM »
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EDIT: Trolling the dude like crazy, by the way. Who cares to join me?

Reelist, you need to get in on this.

Time to redeem yourself after the debacle in the drunk tank.


I have a secret account made especially for trolling. This dude's fucked.
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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #178 on: May 01, 2013, 10:31:11 PM »
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Reelist's post made me laugh out loud.

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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #179 on: May 02, 2013, 05:03:19 PM »
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Can't wait to get some official casting news. If Cheech turns out to be in it, I'm quitting my job and starting a cult based around my prophetic abilities. You're all invited. Bring chicks.

Cheech would be the best... we should be finding out the cast within the month  :yabbse-grin: :bravo:

 

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