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whats a good movie that depicts guilt thoroughly

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on: December 06, 2007, 01:19:39 AM
I was trying to think of a few, and I can't get past Crimes and Misdemeanors and George Washington.  I haven't seen Sophie's Choice in a long time and I've never seen Ordinary People though I've heard it's a good movie about guilt.  There is also Map to the Human Heart but it relies heavily on exposition in the dialogs to get the point through, and not particularly visceral.  I really liked Herzog's The White Diamond, but I am looking for a movie that can capture the sense of guilt without much talking, where it can really inhabit the space around the actors.  Yeah?
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Reply #1 on: December 06, 2007, 01:35:20 AM
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The Fisher King
The Sweet Hereafter
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Reply #2 on: December 06, 2007, 03:23:51 AM
Caché, Breaking the Waves, Shame

mac, how did die hard not make your list?
Obviously what you are doing right now is called (in my upcoming book of psychology at least) validation. I think it's a normal thing to do. People will reply, say anything, and then you're gonna do what you were subconsciently thinking of doing all along.


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Reply #3 on: December 06, 2007, 04:49:44 AM
one of my all time favourite themes. so, to start off..

Raging Bull

when you say "inhabits the space around the actors", is there a reason why you need it to be dispersed like that? cos i think deniro's face in RB is the definition of guilt. scorsese has a lot of good guilt movies. even cape fear which is i guess about the destructive force of denying guilt.

this is a different kind of guilt, i think closer to what you describe:

World of Glory (1991), a swedish short film by Roy Andersson (songs from the second floor).. the movie is strictly an external world of guilt inhabited by all, until you get a sense of it seeping through their skin. it's really amazing.

it used to be on youtube. i've since found a far better quality rip somewhere else with french subtitles. i've glossed the entire thing (15mins) below. however don't worry too much about dialogue, there is very little of it, used mainly to punctuate the pervasive atmosphere of guilt. so it fits both your criteria. it's also really funny in parts, despite first impressions. the humour is bluntly presented yet extremely layered.. notice the scenes in which he raises his voice, this guilt is intergenerational and deeply spiritual. is there any escape? the truth is as unsettling your own laughter at these moments. (sc2, 3, 14)

watch the first scene without the translation, then if it helps, refer to the gloss at the bottom of this post.

better yet, if you need to show it to a whole bunch of english speakers, or if any of you need this in your life permanently, it was released in a short film collection as part of a series called cinema 16 along with other great shorts which don't hav much to do with this thread..


sc1 truck
"no, i don't want to!"

sc2 hospital bed (2:46)
this is my mother. i am very fond of her.
my father sadly passed away 14 years ago.

sc3 cemetery (3:44)
my father rests here. and here is where i will rest.
my mother too. and my brother. in short, a family grave.
purchased by my father. YOU THOUGHT OF EVERYTHING, MY DEAR PAPA!

sc4 tub (4:29)
i am a broker. it's a necessary job, yes it's very necessary.

sc5 aparment (4:55)
this apartment attracts many clients, especially the young.
but they don't have any money. and without money there is no apartment.

sc6 bedroom, alone (5:37)
this is my bed. i sleep here, and my wife sleeps there.
i eat breakfast in the kitchen.. dinner too.
when we have visitors, we dine in the lounge. that's where the tv is.

sc7 car parked (6:30)
this is my car. i'm very happy with it, it's a fine vehicle.

sc8 office (6:57)
this is my brother. i think.. he's my only true friend, if i may say so.

sc9 hallway (8:00)
that man owes me money. he hasn't payed me back.
he acts like it's nothing (he doesn't intend to pay). the nerve!

sc10 barber (8:39)
"life is too short.. isn't it? it passes by quickly"
"yes.. that's quite right."

sc11 with his kid (9:16)
this is my son. he's has talent. his talent.. is a gift he must protect.
you must protect it, thomas. you must!
*man finishes his work*
in ten years we will remove them.
we will operate to remove them, thomas!

sc12 on the floor under a white table (10:43)
i can't see.. i can't see anymore! HELP ME!

sc13 shoe store (11:51)
yesterday i experienced a terrible thing. i thought i had lost my sight.
that i couldn't see anymore. that i was blind. it was terrible. [to lady] awful. to not see.

sc14 church (12:41)
the blood of christ.

sc15 bedroom, night (13:55)
"there is someone screaming. someone is screaming. no? someone's screaming."
"come to bed. you have to sleep, if not you won't be able to get up."


hope this helps.
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Reply #4 on: December 07, 2007, 06:22:11 PM
hey pubrick, maybe stop posting your personal thoughts.


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Reply #5 on: December 08, 2007, 07:20:25 AM
and now i kill myself gas myself in the back of a truck..
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Reply #6 on: December 08, 2007, 12:42:17 PM
A Short Film About Killing [or anything else by Kieslowski]


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Reply #7 on: December 13, 2007, 08:05:35 PM
under the paving stones.