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Title: The Aviator
Post by: MacGuffin on January 20, 2003, 01:29:35 PM
Screen idol Nicole Kidman has been approached by esteemed director Martin Scorsese to depict legendary star Ava Gardner in a new film about the life of Howard Hughes. The "Gangs Of New York" mastermind has already signed up Leonardo DiCaprio to portray the eccentric billionaire in upcoming movie "The Aviator." Hughes, aside from being head of RKO Pictures was a noted flyer, entrepreneur and lover of some of Hollywood's most glamorous women, including Gardner and Katharine Hepburn. Scorsese has also approached Gwyneth Paltrow to take the role of Hepburn, and wants Kidman to consider playing the sultry diva Gardner when he begins shooting the movie this June.

Miramax and Warner Bros will co-distribute the film, casting doubt on Jim Carrey's rival Hughes project. IEG will also be responsible for at least 60% of the film's budget, estimated at north of $100 million, and will handle foreign distribution. DreamWorks was the other studio angling to participate but Scorsese has a past with Warners ("GoodFellas," "Mean Streets") making that pairing more desirable. The script, which focuses less on Hughes's eccentric latter years and more on his early years as a director and innovative industrialist, was written by John Logan ("Gladiator"). At one time Michael Mann was expected to direct but he passed letting Scorsese take the reigns. Mann will remain a producer on the film. Carrey's project, with writer/director Chris Nolan ("Memento," "Insomnia"), may still go ahead and is expected to cover Hughes's rise and fall.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: RegularKarate on January 20, 2003, 01:34:14 PM
I'm more of a fan of the later, Klenex box on the feet Hughes... that's what I want to see.


Burns: "We'll take the Spruce Goose, hop in Smithers!"
Smithers" "but it's only a model sir"
Burns (cocks gun): "I said 'hop in' Smithers"
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Post by: Duck Sauce on January 20, 2003, 01:42:49 PM
Does ever project have a similar "rival" project now? Whos directing the other?  I dont really like Jim Carrey outside of Dumb and Dumber.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on January 20, 2003, 03:13:09 PM
Christopher Nolan is directing the other.

~rougerum
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Post by: Satcho9 on January 20, 2003, 04:03:30 PM
I would love to see Scorsese do Hughes final years. I think if he covered it like the coked out Ray Liotta scenes at the end of Goodfellas it would be great. Seeing all of those jars of urine! Ha!
Title: The Aviator
Post by: budgie on January 20, 2003, 05:10:09 PM
God, does that sound dreary, or what? And not only the most boring actor in the world in there but Kidman trying to be Ava Gardner. Shit casting and too big a budget. Blah.

Go with Paltrow as Hepburn, though, if she doesn't try to imitate.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Duck Sauce on January 20, 2003, 08:11:19 PM
Quote from: budgie
God, does that sound dreary, or what? And not only the most boring actor in the world in there but Kidman trying to be Ava Gardner. Shit casting and too big a budget. Blah.


Budgie, it has come to my attention that you hate Nicole Kidman, first Panic Room and now this.  :(
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Duck Sauce on January 21, 2003, 01:28:08 AM
Which leads us to this...

Source: IMDB

Friends Concerned for Workaholic Kidman

Hollywood beauty Nicole Kidman walked away with a Golden Globe award at Sunday's ceremony - but friends fear her workaholic career will wear her out. The Eyes Wide Shut actress won a gong in the Best Performance By An Actress In A Motion Picture - Drama category for her role in the movie The Hours. But, despite this, friends close to the star fear she might be relying too strongly on her career. A source says, "Nicole's gone from strength to strength since she split from Tom Cruise, but there's a great pressure to maintain her success. She's been working tirelessly to promote her movie The Hours and there's a worry that if she doesn't get the recognition she deserves.....she will take it very badly." Kidman herself admitted that she feared directors would forget all about her after ending her marriage to the Minority Report star.
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She has been working a lot this year. Her and John C. Reilly
Title: The Aviator
Post by: budgie on January 21, 2003, 09:35:30 AM
Quote from: Duck Sauce

Budgie, it has come to my attention that you hate Nicole Kidman, first Panic Room and now this.  :(


No, babe, not at all. I think she's got great potential, which is sometimes realised, and she is one of the hottest chix around as I said once a long, long time ago in a far away galaxy. It's the idea of her as Ava Gardner I can't take to, and imagining how she'd have been in Panic Room makes me shudder because I think it would have resulted in one of her 'brittle' performances, that I find increasingly mannered. It's more the doomy feelings gathering over the idea of The Aviator too.

Hopefully she'll pull back a little now if the Globe makes her feel like she's not got to prove herself so frantically. Relax, choose her roles (and most importantly, directors) carefully and avoid shit like Bewitched.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: oakmanc234 on February 16, 2003, 03:01:36 AM
I was kinda hoping that Scorcese would move on to 'Dino' after 'Gangs', not 'The Aviator'. It sounded so great-Late 99, Scorcese was said to adapt Nick Peliggi's script with Tom Hanks (as Dean Martin), John Travolta (as Frank Sinatra), Adam Sandler (as Joey Bishop) and Hugh Grant (as Peter Lawford). It wasn't just a rumour because Hanks and Travolta had mentioned their involvement in several interviews. Than it just kinda vanished. Gone.

Paul Schrader said in an early 2001 interview that he doesn't think Marty will ever make it.

Oh well.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: MacGuffin on February 19, 2003, 10:26:58 AM
The first part I reported before, but this one gives some script details:

Nicole Kidman Joining The Aviator?

Gossip column PageSix.com is reporting that Nicole Kidman is said to be in talks with Martin Scorsese to co-star alongside Leonardo DiCaprio in The Aviator, the upcoming Howard Hughes biopic, as sexpot Ava Gardner. "They are in talks," says an insider, "but Marty is so busy trying to get an Oscar right now he hasn't made any final decisions."

The script begins as a young Hughes directs one of Scorsese's favorite films, Hell's Angels. Hughes was so obsessed with perfection in the aerial sequences that he waits forever for perfect conditions, right down to cloud formations. The Aviator ends in 1946, when Hughes was still a dashing young man and romancing actresses like Ava Gardner and Katharine Hepburn.

Shooting is set to start in June in Los Angeles for likely release in fall 2004.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: MacGuffin on February 25, 2003, 01:54:42 AM
Quote from: budgie
Hopefully she'll pull back a little now if the Globe makes her feel like she's not got to prove herself so frantically. Relax, choose her roles (and most importantly, directors) carefully and avoid shit like Bewitched.


Nora Ephron has come on board to write Columbia Pictures' feature adaptation of the 1960s sitcom Bewitched, with Nicole Kidman attached to star. Ephron also has an eye to direct, says Variety.

The film, produced by Doug Wick and Lucy Fisher's Red Wagon Productions, is an adaptation of the ABC series that ran from 1964-1972.

The sitcom followed the exploits of Samantha, a witch who -- much to her mother's disdain -- marries a mortal. He discovers her lineage only after they're wed, and she promises to give up witchcraft and become an ordinary suburban housewife.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: MacGuffin on March 09, 2003, 07:19:57 PM
Nicole Kidman Not Flying with The Aviator

Filmjerk tells us that Nicole Kidman will not star in The Aviator as previously thought but instead will concentrate on The Stepford Wives...

Nic Kidman is not going to be doing "The Aviator," according to casting notes obtained Friday-- most likely because the shooting date has been moved to an early July start.

According to casting documents obtained Friday by FilmJerk.com, the search has begun anew for the Ava Gardner role in Martin Scorsese's "The Aviator." With this search, it appears that Nicole Kidman has exited the lead role in order to completely focus her time on “The Stepford Wives” this summer.

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Cusack Joins Kidman's Stepford Wives

John Cusack is in talks to star opposite Nicole Kidman in Paramount Pictures' The Stepford Wives for director Frank Oz and producer Scott Rudin. The project will begin shooting in June, according to The Hollywood Reporter. Cusack's sister Joan also stars in the project, marking the seventh time that the siblings have worked together.

"Stepford" is a remake of the 1975 thriller about a woman (Kidman) who moves into a neighborhood where husbands have transformed their wives into robots designed to cater to them. Cusack will play Kidman's husband. Joan Cusack plays Bobbie Markowitz, a hostile, sarcastic, cranky woman who is out of shape and enjoys drinking but gets transformed into a robot.

Paul Rudnick wrote "Stepford," which is based on Ira Levin's novel of the same name.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Duck Sauce on March 09, 2003, 08:38:22 PM
Gotta do at least one Scorsese movie
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Post by: The Silver Bullet on March 15, 2003, 05:27:39 PM
I'm sure she'll wind up doing a Scorsese film, just maybe not this one...
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Post by: bonanzataz on March 15, 2003, 05:39:17 PM
why are they making a remake of the stepford wives? That makes me sad. They're going to try and turn it into some thriller suspense movie which is not what it is. It's a movie high in camp about misogyny during the feminist movement.

As far as the aviator goes, I hear it's shooting not very far from rose and the snake (the movie I may be working on over the summer) in nova scotia, so maybe I'll catch a glimpse of marty if i get the job.
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Post by: ©brad on March 19, 2003, 01:19:11 PM
Nicole Kidman, who was said to be in talks to play Ava Gardner, is out. Her departure is likely due to the new, later start date (in early July), which might have conflicted with her role in the Stepford Wives remake, also filming this summer. (FilmJerk)
Title: The Aviator
Post by: MacGuffin on March 19, 2003, 11:01:59 PM
Quote from: cbrad4d
Nicole Kidman, who was said to be in talks to play Ava Gardner, is out. Her departure is likely due to the new, later start date (in early July), which might have conflicted with her role in the Stepford Wives remake, also filming this summer. (FilmJerk)


Holy Shit! How did that news pass me by...oh wait, it's on page one.
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Post by: ©brad on March 20, 2003, 05:15:33 AM
damnit! i thought i beat u for once. i guess i should start reading the previous pages of a thread instead of immediately going to the last page.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: MacGuffin on March 20, 2003, 09:26:01 AM
DiCaprio and Jagger Teaming for The Long Play?

Columnists Marilyn Beck and Stacy Jenel Smith report that Leonardo DiCaprio may team with Mick Jagger in a big screen expose of the pop-world.

Right now DiCaprio is gearing up to make the Howard Hughes biopic The Aviator, with Martin Scorsese directing. When that's finished, he will get in character for Alexander the Great, which Scorsese will produce and Baz Luhrmann will direct.

Scorsese reveals to the duo that a second-draft script has been completed on The Long Play, a study of the rock business from the '60s to the '90s that he has been working on with Jagger for several years. He says that it should roll next year and that he expects a leading part to be handled by his "Gangs" star.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: MacGuffin on April 14, 2003, 10:52:42 PM
Barry Pepper in The Aviator

Barry Pepper has been added to the cast of the Martin Scorsese-directed The Aviator for Initial Entertainment Group. He will play engineer Glenn Odekirk opposite Leonard DiCaprio's Howard Hughes.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: budgie on April 15, 2003, 05:53:32 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin
DiCaprio and Jagger Teaming for The Long Play?

Columnists Marilyn Beck and Stacy Jenel Smith report that Leonardo DiCaprio may team with Mick Jagger in a big screen expose of the pop-world.

Right now DiCaprio is gearing up to make the Howard Hughes biopic The Aviator, with Martin Scorsese directing. When that's finished, he will get in character for Alexander the Great, which Scorsese will produce and Baz Luhrmann will direct.

Scorsese reveals to the duo that a second-draft script has been completed on The Long Play, a study of the rock business from the '60s to the '90s that he has been working on with Jagger for several years. He says that it should roll next year and that he expects a leading part to be handled by his "Gangs" star.


Oh God. Scorsese seems to be fixated on writing history. It's OK, but I just wish he'd remember that the devil's in the detail. All these sweeping epics are getting dreary and no matter how much precision he gets in it'll all get lost in the cut. Someone should take the money away.
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Post by: MacGuffin on April 16, 2003, 01:48:54 AM
According to Variety, DreamWorks has optioned writer Thomas Eidson's Western epic "St. Agnes' Stand" for Martin Scorsese to direct.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on April 16, 2003, 02:18:29 AM
how pissed do you think marty was when he lost this year to roman polanski, its almost like he directed GONY just for the chance to win best directer, it was like almost a given that he would win . sorry marty
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 16, 2003, 07:15:47 AM
That's excellent news for Scorsese maybe to get another chance to direct a western of sorts, but his name has been linked to so many projects it is insane to know what to believe these days.

~rougerum
Title: The Aviator
Post by: dufresne on April 17, 2003, 02:11:36 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Barry Pepper in The Aviator

Barry Pepper has been added to the cast of the Martin Scorsese-directed The Aviator for Initial Entertainment Group. He will play engineer Glenn Odekirk opposite Leonard DiCaprio's Howard Hughes.


BP is a VERY underrated actor.  he shoulda won awards for The 25th Hour.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: MacGuffin on June 04, 2003, 09:58:47 AM
Stars Join Up For Aviator
Hollywood Reporter posted the following:

Martin Scorsese is continuing to line up actors to join Leonardo DiCaprio in the Howard Hughes biopic "Aviator," enlisting Cate Blanchett, Kate Beckinsale, Adam Scott, Kelli Garner and Gwen Stefani to join the IEG, Warner Bros. Pictures and Miramax Films co-production, sources confirmed. The project, due to start shooting next month in Montreal, centers on the life of billionaire Hughes, to be played by DiCaprio. Among the six actors who are close to finalizing deals to join the project, Blanchett will star as Katharine Hepburn; Beckinsale as Ava Gardner; Scott as Hughes' press agent, Johnny Meyer; Garner as Faith Domergue, a young actress who was discovered by Hughes; and Stefani as Jean Harlow.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: SoNowThen on June 04, 2003, 10:24:54 AM
Y'know how Marty has his "one for me, one for the studio" credo? Well, is this one gonna be a "one for the studio" deal? Don't get me wrong, I thought Color Of Money was fabulous, but at this stage in his career I'd rather see him finishing Dino or the Mick Jagger project. I'm sure whatever he does will be great, but I can't really get all that excited for Aviator. Unless they change their plans and make the movie cover insane Howard Hughes period as well...
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Post by: Royal Tenenbaum on June 05, 2003, 08:50:54 AM
I think the Aviator has tons of potential; I really doubt it's going to a "Color of Money" type film. The cast sounds excellent, since Blanchett is always great. I expect great things.
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Post by: Ghostboy on June 11, 2003, 02:58:09 AM
Who knows if its a good choice (besides Scorsese), but I can't wait to see how Gwen Stefani, of all people, plays Jean Harlow. I think she might be able to pull it off.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Arnzilla on July 02, 2003, 03:35:02 AM
Who's the DP? C'mon, spill it!


edit: Never mind, it's Robert Richardson.
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Post by: modage on July 17, 2003, 11:34:49 PM
Laresca, Shilton & Spinder Join Scorsese's Aviator
Source: The Hollywood Reporter Thursday, July 17, 2003

Vincent Laresca, Justin Shilton and Brent Spiner have been added to the cast of The Aviator for director Martin Scorsese. The film, about the early life of Howard Hughes, stars Leonardo DiCaprio, Alec Baldwin, Kate Beckinsale and Cate Blanchett.

Laresca is playing Jorge, Howard Hughes' protector and right-hand man. Shilton is playing a young test pilot, while Spiner is playing Robert Gross, the president of aircraft company Lockheed.

Also joining the film is Chris Ufland as one of Hughes' engineers.

for anyone else going "who the fuck are they talking about?"

Laresca(http://mervius.com/features/k_pax/vincent_laresca.jpg)Shilton(http://members.fortunecity.com/themodernage/headshot.jpg)
Spiner(http://www.dunas.com/entertainers/brent2.jpg)
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Post by: Pubrick on July 17, 2003, 11:53:11 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
Laresca, Shilton & Spinder Join Scorsese's Aviator
for anyone else going "who the fuck are they talking about?"

with those pictures, i care less.. sheesh, talk about unknowns.
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Post by: modage on July 17, 2003, 11:54:44 PM
how about now?
(http://www.visimag.com/starburst/images/292_feat01.jpg)
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Post by: Arnzilla on July 19, 2003, 04:31:31 AM
If it's bigger names you want, how about Willem Dafoe and Ian Holm?
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Post by: modage on July 25, 2003, 02:17:24 PM
The Aviator: Additional casting has taken place on Martin Scorsese's upcoming Howard Hughes biopic and 'Pax's Pilots' has a breakdown of who and what role they play - "Ian Holm, Willem Dafoe, Alan Alda, Frances Conroy, Rufus Wainwright, and Josie Maran have joined the cast. Alda will play Owen Brewster, a U.S. Senator whom Howard Hughes accused of blackmail, while Conroy will play the mother of Katherine Hepburn. Rufus Wainwright will be a singer at the famed Cocoanut Grove nightclub and Josie Maran will play a woman who has an affair with Hughes". Shooting is happening in Canada throughout the rest of the year.
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Post by: modage on July 30, 2003, 07:06:36 PM
a small picture of Leonardo DiCaprio as Howard Hughes and to his right, the real Howard Hughes.

(http://members.fortunecity.com/themodernage/leo.jpg)
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Post by: Pozer on August 12, 2003, 07:49:31 PM
that's pretty damn good
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Post by: Ghostboy on August 13, 2003, 12:11:00 AM
Josie Maran is scorchin.'

www.josiemaran.de
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Post by: Gamblour. on August 13, 2003, 02:09:41 AM
Quote from: Ghostboy
Josie Maran is scorchin.'

www.josiemaran.de


Dear gentle Jesus....that is simply holy. It is actually making me physically sick how gorgeous she is.

Time to open up Kazaa...
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Post by: Gamblour. on August 13, 2003, 02:10:10 AM
Oh, and Leo looks kick ass as Hughes
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Post by: atticus jones on August 13, 2003, 05:32:43 AM
Quote from: P
Quote from: themodernage02
Laresca, Shilton & Spinder Join Scorsese's Aviator
for anyone else going "who the fuck are they talking about?"

with those pictures, i care less.. sheesh, talk about unknowns.


i usually walk out of a flicture and wish at least one of the roles cast with a "name" had been given to an "unknown"...

lame examples...

kurt russell...minority report

julia stlies...bourne identity

ben affleck...see filmography

sumthin bout suspension of disbelief...

unda preciated actors who dont need help suspending disbelief at any cost...

g oldman

a hopkins

dd lewis

ps hoffman

...add to taste
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Post by: modage on September 05, 2003, 06:13:56 PM
(http://members.fortunecity.com/themodernage/aviator1.jpg)

The Aviator Production Update & New Photo!!
Source: Warner Bros. Pictures Friday, September 5, 2003

Martin Scorsese's The Aviator began principal photography July 7 at Mel's Cite du Cinema in Montreal for Initial Entertainment Group. A Forward Pass Inc./ Initial Entertainment Group production starring Leonardo DiCaprio, the film will be distributed in North America by Warner Bros. Pictures/Miramax Films and by Initial internationally.

A Martin Scorsese film, The Aviator stars Leonardo DiCaprio. It is produced by Michael Mann, Sandy Climan, Graham King, and Charles Evans Jr. Mr. Scorsese directs. Exterior sequences will be filmed on locations in Los Angeles.

Cate Blanchett, Kate Beckinsale, John C. Reilly, Alec Baldwin and Jude Law co-star. Featured are Matt Ross, Adam Scott, Danny Huston, Alan Alda, Ian Holm, Kelli Garner and No Doubt's Gwen Stefani.

An original screenplay by John Logan, The Aviator tells the story of aviation pioneer Howard Hughes (DiCaprio), the eccentric billionaire industrialist and Hollywood film mogul, famous for romancing some of the world's most beautiful women. The drama recounts the years of his life from the late 1920s though the 1940s, an epoch when Hughes was directing and producing Hollywood movies and test flying innovative aircraft he designed and created. A daredevil pilot, the most famous flyer since Charles Lindbergh, Hughes became a major force in commercial aviation. He was a mythic figure in the America of his day, imbued with an aura of excitement, glamour and mystery.

The film looks at Hughes' emotional life, and his love affairs with two Hollywood legends, elegant, Yankee-bred screen star Katharine Hepburn in the 1930s, and the sensual and luminous screen beauty of the 1940s, Ava Gardner. It also chronicles Hughes' struggle with his physical disabilities and phobias, and with his increasingly erratic, obsessive-compulsive behavior that leads him ultimately to isolate himself from his associates and withdraw from the world.

Scorsese reunites on The Aviator with several longtime collaborators. Director of Photography is Robert Richardson, the production designer is seven-time Academy Award nominee Dante Ferretti, the costume designer is Academy Award winner Sandy Powell, the set decorator is Francesca Lo Schiavo and the editor is Academy Award winner Thelma Schoonmaker.

Pictured above (click for a bigger version) are Leonardo DiCaprio as Howard Hughes and Gwen Stefani as Jean Harlow arriving at the premiere of Hell's Angels at Grauman's Chinese Theatre.
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Post by: SoNowThen on September 05, 2003, 09:43:11 PM
Quote from: me
unda preciated actors who dont need help suspending disbelief at any cost...

g oldman

a hopkins

dd lewis

ps hoffman

...add to taste


I agree with all but Hopkins, who is a ham.


BTW, Marty is king!!!! This flick will (hopefully) be brilliant as are all this wonderful man's films. I am pumped. Pumped!! Glad to see Dafoe back with Saint Martin again.
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Post by: jasper_window on September 06, 2003, 11:07:45 AM
I fired up for Aviator also, as with any Scorsese film, but I fucking hate Gwen Stefani.  I could give a shit about her music, she just annoys me in general.  The fact that he cast Josie Maran makes up for it though...kind of.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on September 07, 2003, 11:46:48 PM
Wow, I've never seen a Scorsese picture plastered with so many stars from end to end. He must really wants a hit film. I think he is starting to become that genre filmmaker he's always talked about being some day. Expectations? Story with style of Goodfellas but focusing more on a personal tradegy.

~rougerum
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Post by: eward on September 08, 2003, 04:26:49 PM
gwen stefani is hot.
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Post by: Fernando on September 11, 2003, 10:16:29 AM
Cate Blanchett spoke a little about The Aviator in an interview made by Latinoreview about Veronica Guerin. Here's what they asked her.

What can you tell us about working with Martin Scorsese on The Aviator?

Cate: I’ve only just started. I did a couple of days last week. You won’t be seeing my Hepburn impersonation. That’s not my job. I spoke to Marty about it and it’s an impossible task to play someone that is so iconic onscreen. You get as close as you can. Marty doesn’t want some Pepsi-Cola cabaret performance of actors doing impressions. He’s trying to capture the spirit of the time. You’ve got to adjust your performance to the tone of the film. The film is about Howard Hughes. It was a very private affair. Being an actor myself, who you are to the public onscreen bears very little resemblance to you private life. Who was the private Katherine Hepburn? That is the enigma.

How did you research her?

Cate: I read about a TV interview with Dick Cavett in 1973. Marty has an astonishing researcher that found the tape. I found it very influential. It’s interesting because she wasn’t sure she wanted to do the interview. She just came to test it out and they rolled the cameras for about twenty minutes until she was finally ready to do it. You saw the pre-interview where she was bossing everyone around, moving furniture, and getting comfortable. That was fascinating because it was her not being conscious of being a particular way.
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Post by: Find Your Magali on September 25, 2003, 10:45:32 AM
Scorsese to take break from Aviator

Filmmaker Martin Scorsese will be taking a short break from filming his Howard Hughes story The Aviator to fly to London at the end of this month for the culmination of a long-in-the-works project.

He will oversee a televised jam session at the Abbey Road studio featuring 63 of the world’s finest blues and rock musicians, including BB King, Eric Clapton, Van Morrison and The Rolling Stones.

It has taken Scorsese six years to bring the project to fruition and it will result in a documentary titled Feels Like Coming Home, he has told reporters.

“If I could have played the guitar I would never have become a filmmaker,” said Scorsese, who will return to The Aviator location in Montreal immediately after the session.

The Aviator stars Leonardo DiCaprio as Hughes, Kate Beckinsale as Ava Gardner and Cate Blanchett as Katherine Hepburn.
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Post by: SoNowThen on September 25, 2003, 10:57:18 AM
St Martin is not a man, but a god who walks among us.

I can't wait to see that jam!
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Post by: Sleuth on September 25, 2003, 03:02:54 PM
Van Morrison 8)
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Post by: MacGuffin on October 01, 2003, 02:46:37 PM
INTERVIEWS: Kate Beckinsale on Aviator

Underworld star Kate Beckinsale gave ComingSoon.net an update on the currently in production Aviator. Martin Scorsese directs the film about the story of aviation pioneer Howard Hughes, played by Leonardo DiCaprio.

Beckinsale portrays Ava Gardner, which was great for research but does put some pressure on her. "It gives you a lot of material, in terms of research, but it also gives you a terrible responsibility to an actual person that you really hope you can pull off. It's like doing a sort of action genre movie. There are so many people who are furious that I did not turn into a bat when I jumped out of the building. They get very passionate about that. God only knows what the Ava Gardner fans are going to say. I'm going to get stoned to death. And I bumped into Cate Blanchett - she is playing Katherine Hepburn in the movie. We were both saying, 'Oh my God, it's awful isn't it? Just wanting to do justice to this person that people feel very personally connected to.'"

What does she think so far about how DiCaprio is playing Hughes? "Great, I mean I think he is a genius. I think he is amazing. I've been doing a lot of scenes toward the end of the movie where he's really breaking down. He's extraordinary." Beckinsale added that the film doesn't expose anything really that wasn't known yet. "No, it's very much you see that he's asking her to marry him all the time. They are good friends. She is very supportive to him once he's sick. She tells him, 'You are a bit too crazy for me.'"

Asked where she's been filming the Warner Bros. biopic, she says that "the Montreal part is finished. I've got some more to do in L.A. in October."
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Post by: modage on October 08, 2003, 04:59:45 PM
in the new People magazine, a few shots from the set of the aviator...

(http://members.fortunecity.com/themodernage/avi2.jpg)(http://members.fortunecity.com/themodernage/avi3.jpg)
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Post by: MacGuffin on October 30, 2003, 09:05:02 AM
Warner Bros. execs have halted filming on the new Leonardo DiCaprio-led Howard Hughes biopic "The Aviator" because of the massive wildfires rampaging through the greater Los Angeles area. It seems that several sets created for the film have been damaged by the blaze, fire which has already destroyed hundreds of homes throughout Southern California. An official spokesperson for the studio says "This is just a minor inconvenience, as compared to those who are currently suffering through the devastating effects of the fire". At present its not expected to cause much of a delay in terms of the film's production.
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Post by: ShanghaiOrange on October 30, 2003, 09:59:29 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin
new Leonardo DiCaprio-led Howard Hughes biopic "The Aviator"


Who's directing this?
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Post by: Find Your Magali on October 30, 2003, 10:56:17 AM
Quote from: ShanghaiOrange
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new Leonardo DiCaprio-led Howard Hughes biopic "The Aviator"


Who's directing this?


Brett Ratner
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Post by: eward on October 30, 2003, 07:39:29 PM
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new Leonardo DiCaprio-led Howard Hughes biopic "The Aviator"


Who's directing this?


Brett Ratner


oh my god.....I CANT WAIT
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Post by: ElPandaRoyal on October 31, 2003, 07:35:35 PM
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new Leonardo DiCaprio-led Howard Hughes biopic "The Aviator"


Who's directing this?


Brett Ratner


oh my god.....I CANT WAIT


He will win Best Director at the Academy Awards for this.
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Post by: MacGuffin on November 03, 2003, 05:42:06 PM
On set photos from filming on the Queen Mary:
(http://us.ent4.yimg.com/et.tv.yahoo.com/lib/images/celebs/2003/10/31/163_ldicaprio_031031_et.jpg)
(http://us.ent4.yimg.com/et.tv.yahoo.com/lib/images/celebs/2003/10/31/163_jcreilly_031031_et.jpg)
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Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on November 03, 2003, 07:48:22 PM
phew....this one might offend....

Gwen Stefani.

Hot?

Gwen Stefani has no breastsOKAYBYE!
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Post by: ElPandaRoyal on November 03, 2003, 08:27:31 PM
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phew....this one might offend....

Gwen Stefani.

Hot?

Gwen Stefani has no breastsOKAYBYE!


I also think she has something. Like... she's hot, in a very weird way.
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Post by: modage on November 18, 2003, 10:56:51 AM
"Aviator" makes a smooth landing
Source: Variety

After 91 days of principal photography, the Martin Scorsese-directed biopic about Howard Hughes wrapped - just one day over schedule (And that was due to fire damage) according to Army Acherd's latest column in Variety.

Producer Graham King indicates things seemed to move smoothly - "We were on time and on budget -- just south of $110 million. When we got the script (by John Logan) we were ready to go. I couldn't believe it. And it's bigger than we ever imagined".

We can also see Hughes' famous plane in action - "In Montreal, the Coconut Grove nightclub was reproduced as was the interior of the Spruce Goose. Leo, as Hughes, is seen at the controls as it takes off for its brief flight.

The crash of Hughes' small plane in Beverly Hills was reproduced in Palos Verdes; the crash in a Ventura beet field, in Oxnard. An airport in San Bernardino was also put into play".
 

goddamn!  110 million, jeezus chreyest!  there's no way this'll make its money back.  what are the studios thinking giving him all that money?  and where the hell is it going?  theres no action or cgi?  all for the sets, and so he can shoot it really pretty?
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Post by: SoNowThen on November 18, 2003, 11:19:27 AM
probably actors' salaries...
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Post by: cine on November 18, 2003, 06:48:34 PM
Why won't it make its money back?
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Post by: modage on November 18, 2003, 07:01:09 PM
i dunno.  because its a biopic on howard hughes.  not exactly blockbuster material and $110 million is a lot of money.
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Post by: Fernando on November 19, 2003, 09:18:05 AM
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i dunno.  because its a biopic on howard hughes.  not exactly blockbuster material and $110 million is a lot of money.


Agree here, MS films haven't so far been box office hits (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/directors/scorsese/), his major still is Cape Fear, so I'm guessing here, if Aviator does really well it could make 80m in the US alone, if it doesn't it could be around 40-50m; now, we must add here to the 110m the marketing (around 50m?), that gives us a total cost of 160m for this picture. I would bet that with dvd sales and rentals could brake even though.
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Post by: SoNowThen on November 19, 2003, 09:38:57 AM
I dunno, this really wasn't a dream project of Marty's (at least I don't think it was), so it seems to me it was more of a commissioned thing to do after Gangs. With that in mind, I don't think he would've been given the money if the backers didn't think it was gonna do well.

At least that would make sense to me. I think it'll sell great. Gangs seemed to do good on video/dvd, and with the cast being fairly recognizable, they should be able to push this thing.
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Post by: MacGuffin on December 01, 2003, 08:25:49 PM
I.E.G., Warner Bros., and Miramax had recently bought a great new full page ad that was placed in the Daily Variety congratulating filmmaker, Martin Scorsese on the completion of principle photography for the highly anticipated Howard Hughes biopic entitled, The Aviator.

(http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2004/0-9ABC/Aviator_The/photos/aviatorvariety.jpg)
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Post by: modage on December 01, 2003, 10:03:13 PM
that's great.  hopes raising...
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on December 01, 2003, 10:13:10 PM
This smells like a cheesy way to repay him with congratulation for losing at the Oscars last march. I mean, really, is it that big of a deal he completed principal photography?
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Post by: ono on December 01, 2003, 10:14:17 PM
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that's great.  hopes raising...

Hope for what?  I'm confused as to why they would do this.  Other than the obvious reasons: publicity and pumping Scorsese up and inflating his ego.  Not saying that's a bad thing or anything.  I'd love it if I completed a film and someone bought an ad in an industry magazine congratulating me.  I'm just curious as to what the point is, especially since I've never seen anything like it before.
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Post by: cine on December 02, 2003, 12:39:48 AM
that Best Directing Oscar is coming....
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Post by: Arnzilla on December 02, 2003, 04:15:17 AM
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I'm confused as to why they would do this.  Other than the obvious reasons: publicity and pumping Scorsese up and inflating his ego.  Not saying that's a bad thing or anything.  I'd love it if I completed a film and someone bought an ad in an industry magazine congratulating me.  I'm just curious as to what the point is, especially since I've never seen anything like it before.

I've frequently seen similar trade ads for such high-profile, big-budget films. But more to the point, in the current Forbes magazine (http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/1208/114_print.html), producer Graham King laments the difficulty he had in securing a completion bond for the film because of Scorsese's GONY experience.
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Post by: SoNowThen on December 02, 2003, 11:43:58 AM
that article makes Marty out to be a pariah, rather than what he is: the greatest living American director.

sad day when I realize the suits don't trust him.

 :(

I hope he doesn't get the Oscar for this one though. I want him to stay in the "ripped off" club. It's got better membership.
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Post by: modage on December 04, 2003, 04:25:05 PM
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that's great.  hopes raising...

Hope for what?


the movie being really good.  not terribly excited about the premise, but i like scorsese a lot (although for me he's hit and miss).  i could care less about him winning the oscar, i just think the poster looks pretty fucking cool.
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Post by: ©brad on January 14, 2004, 11:58:47 AM
dude, remember mac posted something about an animated thing that scorsese was going to do a voice on? well, i checked it out over at imdb, and look at this cast!!!...:

Will Smith ....  Oscar (voice)
Robert De Niro ....  Don Lino (voice)
Renée Zellweger ....  Angie (voice)
Angelina Jolie ....  Lola (voice)
Jack Black ....  Lenny (voice)
Martin Scorsese ....  Sykes (voice)
Doug E. Doug ....  Bernie (voice)
Peter Falk ....  Don Brizzi (voice)
James Gandolfini ....  (voice)
Michael Imperioli ....  Frankie (voice)
James Madio ....  Vinny (voice)
Ziggy Marley ....  Ernie (voice)
Vincent Pastore ....  Willie (voice)
Kevin Pollak ....  Luca (voice)

um, can we say, badass!? the movie itself, Shark Tale, sounds a little Finding Nemo-ish, but i'm in anyhow.
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Post by: modage on January 16, 2004, 02:03:18 PM
(http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/040114/17125__aviator_l.jpg)
Tower to control: ''The Aviator'' is cleared for takeoff. Finally. Over the years, several director-actor pairs have toyed with bringing the life of mogul Howard Hughes to the screen -- among them, Christopher Nolan and Jim Carrey, Milos Forman and Edward Norton, and Warren Beatty and...Warren Beatty. But the first team to take flight is Martin Scorsese and Leonardo DiCaprio, reuniting after winning critical plaudits with ''Gangs of New York.'' ''We tend to think of Howard Hughes near the end of his life in Las Vegas, the recluse, et cetera,'' says Scorsese, referring to Hughes' final career incarnation as a casino boss. ''This deals with him as a vibrant young man changing the world and fighting a disease that he didn't know he had: obsessive-compulsive disorder.'' The film also promises to detail Hughes' famous romantic conquests: Cate Blanchett plays Katharine Hepburn and Kate Beckinsale appears as Ava Gardner (Jude Law, meanwhile, shows up as Errol Flynn). ''It's terrifying to play a real person, especially one as beloved as Ava Gardner,'' Beckinsale says, ''because you know there's going to be 15 billion people going 'You completely got it wrong!'''

The film's time span means we'll see DiCaprio age from 26 to 46. ''He goes from this extraordinarily handsome young man, full of life, to a man who's tortured by his own shortcomings,'' says Scorsese, who adds that he and DiCaprio now have a special shorthand together. ''It's almost getting like telepathy,'' says the director. The two other actors with whom Scorsese says he shares such a bond? ''De Niro and Keitel.''

EW says the picture will be released December 17th.  mark your calendars.
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Post by: SoNowThen on January 16, 2004, 02:33:57 PM
Dec 17 -- looking to be the most important film day this year on my calendar
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Post by: billybrown on January 16, 2004, 03:30:50 PM
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Dec 17 -- looking to be the most important film day this year on my calendar


Completely and totally and whole-heartedly agreed!
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Post by: eward on January 16, 2004, 05:18:42 PM
same here
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Post by: Arnzilla on January 17, 2004, 02:13:00 AM
more Aviator pics here (http://www.angelfire.com/film/aviator2004/)
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Post by: Finn on January 17, 2004, 10:03:40 AM
Mark your calendars!
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Post by: eward on January 17, 2004, 10:15:08 AM
marked
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Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on January 17, 2004, 10:16:03 AM
that's my goddamn birthday! whatta gift!
thanks Marty!
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Post by: meatwad on January 17, 2004, 10:29:30 AM
what else is being released on Dec. 16th?
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Post by: MacGuffin on January 17, 2004, 10:55:21 AM
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what else is being released on Dec. 16th?


Kill Bill Vol. 2
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Post by: SoNowThen on January 17, 2004, 01:31:00 PM
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what else is being released on Dec. 16th?


Kill Bill Vol. 2


 :)




....yeah, but knock on wood. With the way things are going, it might happen.
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Post by: cine on February 03, 2004, 12:03:54 AM
LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- Miramax Films co-chairman Harvey Weinstein was quoted Sunday as blaming the timing of the release of "Cold Mountain" for the film's failure to win an Oscar nomination in the best picture category.

In interviews with Time and Newsweek, Weinstein said he opened the highly acclaimed Civil War epic starring Nicole Kidman and Jude Law at Christmas time so that Oscar nominations would fuel box office sales.

"With the early (Oscar voting) this year, we fell short. There's a lot to do for Academy members and I don't know how many members we got to. We just plain ran out of people who had seen this movie," Weinstein told Time magazine, which hits newsstands on February 2. (Time magazine is a unit of Time Warner, as is CNN.)

But "Cold Mountain" did win seven other Oscar nominations from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences including best actor for Jude Law and best supporting actress for Renee Zellweger.

It is the first time in 12 years that Walt Disney Co.'s Miramax does not have a best picture nominee at the Oscars but the studio still racked up the most nominations of any studio -- 15 -- for the third year in a row.

Citing the fact that the Oscars will be held in February this year instead of March, Weinstein told Newsweek, "I think the whole positioning of movies has changed because of this." Other than "Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King," every best-picture nominee was released prior to December, he said.

As a result, Weinstein said Miramax would move up the release of J.M. Barrie's "Neverland" starring Johnny Depp to October and would aim to release Martin Scorsese's "The Aviator" in November instead of late December.

Weinstein also told Time that he will be directing his own film "pretty soon, probably the fall." He said the script is finished and the film will be produced by Martin Scorsese and Anthony Minghella, who directed "Cold Mountain."
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Post by: Finn on February 03, 2004, 07:27:04 AM
I can't wait to see what the poster will look like.
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Post by: modage on February 03, 2004, 10:23:36 AM
hey thats the ticket!  get this through your fat skull, A YEAR is 12 MONTHS LONG.  DONT PUT OUT ALL THE GOOD MOVIES IN THE LAST 20 DAYS!  haha, did he ever consider that since it managed to rack up 7 nominations, that everyone did get to see it, they just didnt think it was Best Picture material?
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Post by: SoNowThen on February 03, 2004, 10:43:41 AM
Oh yeah, cos Best Picture material means sooooooo much...
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Post by: ElPandaRoyal on February 03, 2004, 06:19:09 PM
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haha, did he ever consider that since it managed to rack up 7 nominations, that everyone did get to see it, they just didnt think it was Best Picture material?


We're talking about Weinstein here...
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Post by: Stefen on March 10, 2004, 12:16:24 AM
I was at the dentists and they had the new ew there and there was a picture of Jude law as Eroll Flynn and he looks awesome! Stache and all.
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Post by: cine on March 10, 2004, 03:17:01 AM
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I was at the dentists and they had the new ew there and there was a picture of Jude law as Eroll Flynn and he looks awesome! Stache and all.

Already posted: http://www.angelfire.com/film/aviator2004/images/aviator7.jpg
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Post by: Stefen on March 10, 2004, 07:05:14 PM
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I was at the dentists and they had the new ew there and there was a picture of Jude law as Eroll Flynn and he looks awesome! Stache and all.

Already posted: http://www.angelfire.com/film/aviator2004/images/aviator7.jpg


Yeah, it wasn't that one. It was one of Leo, Blanchett, and Law all sitting at a table talking. That picture is great though cinephile.
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Post by: thedog on March 10, 2004, 09:29:12 PM
ya too nice Stefan, we need to tuffen ya up a bit.
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Post by: Stefen on March 10, 2004, 09:33:27 PM
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ya too nice Stefan, we need to tuffen ya up a bit.


be quiet you!    :wink:
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Post by: SiliasRuby on March 29, 2004, 04:49:39 PM
I'm really looking forward to this
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Post by: El Duderino on April 21, 2004, 08:05:14 PM
Production Stills:
(http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2004/0-9ABC/Aviator_The/photos/av001.jpg)
(http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2004/0-9ABC/Aviator_The/photos/aviatorlogo.jpg)
(http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2004/0-9ABC/Aviator_The/photos/av006.jpg)
(http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2004/0-9ABC/Aviator_The/photos/av007.jpg)
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Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on April 22, 2004, 12:18:47 PM
holy lord!

DiCaprio looks like an ADULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: El Duderino on April 22, 2004, 05:53:00 PM
i keep seeing him as Arnie though...
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Post by: The Silver Bullet on April 25, 2004, 05:27:23 AM
He looks like a none-to-subtle high-gloss variation of Ray Liotta's Henry Hill. Which reminds me: is The Aviator going to be Scorsese's GoodFellas-styled exploration of the Hollywood Golden-era?

I sure hope so. The material lends itself to that sort of treatment.
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Post by: Arnzilla on April 26, 2004, 09:31:35 AM
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He looks like a none-to-subtle high-gloss variation of Ray Liotta's Henry Hill.

I was waiting for someone to make the connection...
(http://www.dasfilmarchiv.de/pesci_liotta_deniro.jpg)(http://www.thezreview.co.uk/images3/aviatorthe01.jpg)
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Post by: The Silver Bullet on April 26, 2004, 08:41:42 PM
Scorsese is looking old.
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Post by: ShanghaiOrange on April 26, 2004, 09:10:48 PM
Your mother is looking old.
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Post by: El Duderino on April 26, 2004, 09:14:12 PM
so this is what Leo has to look forward to?

(http://www.webwombat.com.au/entertainment/movies/images/narc.JPG)
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Post by: Arnzilla on April 27, 2004, 01:37:33 AM
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Scorsese is looking old.

He looks like his poppa.
(http://216.97.50.144/WWW/WanadooFilms/Misdaad/GoodSaus.jpg)
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Post by: The Silver Bullet on April 28, 2004, 12:07:08 AM
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Your mother is looking old.

My mother's dead, man...

Quote from: Arnzilla
He looks like his poppa.

Italianamerican rocks.
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Post by: Fernando on June 01, 2004, 10:40:04 AM
SCORSESE'S 'AVIATOR' TRAILER ON THURSDAY'S ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT
Source: ET
Date: June 1, 2004, 1:24 am

Entertainment Tonight will have an exclusive first look at the new trailer for Martin Scorsese's Howard Hughes bio-pic, "The Aviator." ET plans to spotlight the new film on tonight's episode with "An Exclusive Look Inside The Film," and show the new trailer on Thursday's episode.

In the film, due out December 17th, Leonardo DiCaprio stars as Howard Hughes, the eccentric billionaire industrialist and Hollywood film mogul famous for romancing some of the world’s most beautiful women.

The drama recounts the years of his life from the late 1920s through the 1940s, an epoch when Hughes was directing movies and test flying innovative aircraft he designed and created. It also chronicles Hughes’ struggle with his physical disabilities and phobias, and his increasingly erratic, obsessive-compulsive behavior that led him ultimately to isolate himself from his associates and withdraw from the world.

The film also stars Cate Blanchett, Kate Beckinsale, John C. Reilly, Alec Baldwin, Gwen Stefani, Adam Scott, Willem Dafoe, and Jude Law.
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Post by: eward on June 01, 2004, 05:40:50 PM
:-D !!!!!
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Post by: MacGuffin on June 03, 2004, 11:06:11 PM
Trailer here. (http://movies.channel.aol.com/franchise/exclusives.adp)
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on June 03, 2004, 11:31:39 PM
like, oh my gosh...i just realized alec baldwin is in this flick.........well, i guess scorsassy is carrying on  a trend that began w/ gangs of new york to put in at least one cheesy actor  [i.e. cameron diaZ]
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Post by: ElPandaRoyal on June 04, 2004, 04:23:36 AM
Kind of a cheesy trailer, isn't it?
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Post by: ElPandaRoyal on June 04, 2004, 08:08:32 AM
http://progressive.stream.aol.com/aol/us/moviefone/movies/2004/aviatorthe_017564/aviatorthe_trlr_dl.mov

Quicktime is better, right?  :wink:

I still don't like the trailer
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Post by: meatwad on June 04, 2004, 05:04:52 PM
i thought the trailer was good, except for the last title card "The Aviator- A True Story"......they need to drop the a true story part. I was not expecting anything other then what i saw with this film
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Post by: modage on June 04, 2004, 06:18:55 PM
i'm going to see this and be excited because its scorsese, but if i didnt know it was him that trailer would not have moved me into the theatre with much excitement.
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Post by: Finn on June 05, 2004, 12:52:48 AM
I didn't think much of the trailer really. It just didn't look like a Scorsese movie. Just a big, glossy piece of hollywood. But I'll still definetly see it anyway (just because it's Scorsese).
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Post by: ElPandaRoyal on June 05, 2004, 06:11:42 AM
Yeah, if it wasn't Scorsese I wouldn't probably give a fuck about this movie judging from the trailer. That said, I still have high expectations for the movie, since it's Marty and he is the king. I have a feeling, however, that just like Gangs Of New York, this will kind of disappoint at the box-office  :(
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Post by: matt35mm on June 05, 2004, 09:33:02 AM
It's unfortunate that it seems like Scorsese's main virtue these days is having the name "Scorsese."  A bunch of you just said yourselves--there's almost no other reason to see this movie.  So because of all that, plus this trailer, now I don't know what to think.  It's up to the reviews, I guess... but it does LOOK boring.
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Post by: Pubrick on June 05, 2004, 09:49:24 AM
what do u expect, it's called The Aviator, not "the guy who went crazy".

that's why the other HH story woulda been better.
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Post by: Just Withnail on June 05, 2004, 10:39:33 AM
Quote from: Pubrick
what do u expect, it's called The Aviator, not "the guy who went crazy".

that's why the other HH story woulda been better.


Besides didn't he already do one about someone called HH going crazy?  :P
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Post by: mutinyco on June 05, 2004, 12:26:39 PM
I think Warren Beatty intends to play the crazy version. But anyhow, this looks promising because it doesn't look like typical Scorsese. I think this is what he always really wanted to make: a big glossy Hollywood film, but never had the guts.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 05, 2004, 12:36:20 PM
Quote from: mutinyco
I think Warren Beatty intends to play the crazy version. But anyhow, this looks promising because it doesn't look like typical Scorsese. I think this is what he always really wanted to make: a big glossy Hollywood film, but never had the guts.


How would you classify Casino, then? I'm not much hyped for this film either. If the studio plays their cards right, this could win Best Picture at the Oscars. Other than that, Scorsese seems talent for hire.
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Post by: mutinyco on June 05, 2004, 02:38:56 PM
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Other than that, Scorsese seems talent for hire.


I see that as a plus.

As for Casino, I think it was typical Scorsese -- but with a big budget.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 05, 2004, 04:03:59 PM
Quote from: mutinyco
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Other than that, Scorsese seems talent for hire.


I see that as a plus.

As for Casino, I think it was typical Scorsese -- but with a big budget.


I don't see it as typical Scorsese. Beginning with Goodfellas, I felt Scorsese was branding his stories into move conventional story terms of Hollywood structure and with Casino - the implemation of a high tech opening sequence and more stars - Scorsese's "typical' became something else. Both films are a world's away from Mean Streets. Anybody, for hire, never seems of much good. Though I won't say Scorsese is as great as most here, he's had a few very mature works and of course I'd love to see him go back to that. Also, since you don't like him, why argue the second point?
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Post by: mutinyco on June 05, 2004, 04:31:56 PM
I agree that he's changed since Goodfellas. And there's a reason. After that film everybody jerked him off as the best American director. Obviously, it got to his head. But I think these were always the films he WANTED to make. He's even said that. He said he always wanted to make widescreen epics, but because he started off doing small, gritty films he had no track record and couldn't get them made. Even when he tried to return to his roots with Bringing Out the Dead, it didn't work. He's too removed from that world at this point. He's rich. Doesn't have to struggle. And that New York doesn't exist anymore either.

I think his earlier films were better. I think because he started off doing more improvisational work, as he tried to move into epic territory his story and structure sensibilities were inconsistent. Polished epics require precise plotting, and that's never been his specialty. So the films looked lush, but didn't work dramatically.

That said, if he can bring his visual approach to a well-crafted script (though it looks a bit like Tucker: The Man and His Dream), it just might work. It won't be pure M.S., but it'll bridge the gap between style and substance.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 05, 2004, 08:05:13 PM
Quote from: mutinyco
I agree that he's changed since Goodfellas. And there's a reason. After that film everybody jerked him off as the best American director. Obviously, it got to his head. But I think these were always the films he WANTED to make. He's even said that. He said he always wanted to make widescreen epics, but because he started off doing small, gritty films he had no track record and couldn't get them made. Even when he tried to return to his roots with Bringing Out the Dead, it didn't work. He's too removed from that world at this point. He's rich. Doesn't have to struggle. And that New York doesn't exist anymore either.

I think his earlier films were better. I think because he started off doing more improvisational work, as he tried to move into epic territory his story and structure sensibilities were inconsistent. Polished epics require precise plotting, and that's never been his specialty. So the films looked lush, but didn't work dramatically.

That said, if he can bring his visual approach to a well-crafted script (though it looks a bit like Tucker: The Man and His Dream), it just might work. It won't be pure M.S., but it'll bridge the gap between style and substance.


I'm not disagreeing with that and I don't think my ealier post does. Scorsese has grown into a new filmmaker and changed what was typical for him, yes, but after Goodfellas, it seems you are arguing against your original case. I think Scorsese has been making the glossy big budget Hollywood films for a while now. Sure, he has identity of story with films like Casino and Goodfellas, but what about The Age of Innocence? Its a genre story of its own rules and Scorsese really heightens it with exquisite production value, nothing short of what would be expected from Hollywood. The Aviator, besides maybe the addition of a few tricks, seems like nothing new from this director and I think he has been making these films for a while now. He's a great commerical director, but he can be so much more. Even Kurosawa, in between making grander films, made some excellent entertainment vehicles or "conveniance" dramas, but Scorsese has become just that these day.
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Post by: mutinyco on June 05, 2004, 08:42:04 PM
This is where we disagree. I don't think they're typical Hollywood. I think they're "prestige" films. The type of films the "best director" should theoretically be making. They're big budget art films. I don't think he's a good commercial director -- as he's only ever had one real commercial success: Cape Fear. His problem is that he's caught between 2 worlds -- using Hollywood scale on offbeat projects. And they're clashing. He needs to go one way or another. I think Hollywood suits him better at this point -- he's obviously out of touch with real life.
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Post by: Arnzilla on June 06, 2004, 01:57:03 AM
Quote from: Pubrick
what do u expect, it's called The Aviator, not "the guy who went crazy".

that's why the other HH story woulda been better.

Though you can't tell it from the trailer, this IS that other HH story. The opening scene will even touch on this and the rest of the film will be about his mental deterioration. The trailer is just about what's happening AROUND him. The REAL film, the Scorsese film, is what's happening within him.
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Post by: mutinyco on June 06, 2004, 12:54:02 PM
18 posts in one year. All about M.S....
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Post by: Pubrick on June 06, 2004, 01:28:02 PM
hmm, really makes u think..
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Post by: mutinyco on June 06, 2004, 03:03:43 PM
Not too much though. He should try a little variety. Maybe buy a LifeSavers or something.

I do want to clarify something. I don't hate M.S.'s films. The strength of my responses is just an inverse of his praise. You see, the films which he built his reputation on were not, in my opinion, "great" films. They were small, gritty and narrowly focused. Therefore, once he was hailed as the greatest director, it was undeserved. It's only been since then that he's started making the types of films I usually associate with greatness: sprawl, a variety of subjects and approaches. Unfortunately, I don't think these have been great films. His earlier works were more successful. Just that they weren't tops of the heap.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 06, 2004, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: mutinyco
This is where we disagree. I don't think they're typical Hollywood. I think they're "prestige" films. The type of films the "best director" should theoretically be making. They're big budget art films. I don't think he's a good commercial director -- as he's only ever had one real commercial success: Cape Fear. His problem is that he's caught between 2 worlds -- using Hollywood scale on offbeat projects. And they're clashing. He needs to go one way or another. I think Hollywood suits him better at this point -- he's obviously out of touch with real life.


This reminds me of the criticism of Kurosawa's High and Low. A magnificent thriller it is, prolly the best, people say it is above its genre because of the commentary it has on social life outside the edges of its straight forward thriller storyline, but alas, it does not. A rule of thumb for the detective-thriller genre is that it does have social commentary on its side. Like Scorsese's 90s films, he has the dramatic within his films, but they always seem to exist on this same outside, never really dominating the material. This is still Hollywood. Hollywood can deal with the profound, but they never let the material fully take over and its a skirting process. I believe Scorsese has become Hollywood for quite some time under this examination.
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Post by: mutinyco on June 06, 2004, 04:30:29 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
This reminds me of the criticism of Kurosawa's High and Low. A magnificent thriller it is, prolly the best, people say it is above its genre because of the commentary it has on social life outside the edges of its straight forward thriller storyline, but alas, it does not. A rule of thumb for the detective-thriller genre is that it does have social commentary on its side.


Possibly. But how many films of that genre really stand out and have survived time? Chinatown? The Maltese Falcon? Often, these films have a social element, it comes with the territory. High and Low, however, from its very title, implies that its core is that disparity. It's a social class commentary played out as a thriller. Does High and Low rise or fall on its commentary? I don't think so. It happens to be a supremely well-crafted film that would be successful commentary or not.

The problem with Marty's later films is that they are tackling "ideas" -- they just don't work dramatically. It's not because he's making Hollywood films. They're only Hollywood in their production values. It's because the films he started with simply didn't prepare him for epics. Someone labled the "greatest living director" CANNOT, egotistically speaking, go on making small crime flicks. Otherwise, that title would probably disappear.

One thing though, I think Marty's films helped move crime stories away from social observation and more towards sin and redemption. Crime films seem more interested in emotions and psychology than in sociology. And generally speaking, I don't find emotions as interesting.
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Post by: Arnzilla on June 07, 2004, 07:06:57 AM
mutinyco, is that your warm way of inviting me into the other forums? Do I get cab fare home, too?
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Post by: SoNowThen on June 07, 2004, 08:50:51 AM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Beginning with Goodfellas, I felt Scorsese was branding his stories into move conventional story terms of Hollywood structure and with Casino - the implemation of a high tech opening sequence and more stars - Scorsese's "typical' became something else. Both films are a world's away from Mean Streets.


*sigh*

Why is it that the public must curse great artists into trying to repeat themselves forever? Isn't that a good thing that his later films are different than Mean Streets, seeing as how he has become a different person with evolved sensibilities?



Oh... and he IS the greatest American director.
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Post by: mutinyco on June 07, 2004, 09:23:58 AM
Quote from: Arnzilla
mutinyco, is that your warm way of inviting me into the other forums? Do I get cab fare home, too?


Cab fare? Ha! Take a subway!
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 07, 2004, 05:31:40 PM
Quote from: mutinyco
The problem with Marty's later films is that they are tackling "ideas" -- they just don't work dramatically. It's not because he's making Hollywood films. They're only Hollywood in their production values. It's because the films he started with simply didn't prepare him for epics. Someone labled the "greatest living director" CANNOT, egotistically speaking, go on making small crime flicks. Otherwise, that title would probably disappear.


I sitll don't believe in the genuineness and interestability of how Scorsese is "tackling' ideas. With as commercial as his films have been, the same logo of artistic integrity and search for the profound could be also be said of a film like Cold Moutain. Scorsese is an excellent filmmaker, but a gun for hire these days. And, the "greatest living director" does not have to prove his worth by increasing his budget. Only Hollywood folk believe that. Ingmar Bergman never gave into the appeal of Hollywood even though he did push forward with his filmmaking art. Yes, two different directors, but it is yet another example of the shallowness that plagues modern modern American cinema.

Quote from: SoNowThen
*sigh*

Why is it that the public must curse great artists into trying to repeat themselves forever? Isn't that a good thing that his later films are different than Mean Streets, seeing as how he has become a different person with evolved sensibilities?


That doesn't even come close to my arguments against Scorsese.
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Post by: SoNowThen on June 08, 2004, 01:14:47 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
I sitll don't believe in the genuineness and interestability of how Scorsese is "tackling' ideas. With as commercial as his films have been, the same logo of artistic integrity and search for the profound could be also be said of a film like Cold Moutain.


That's YOUR problem, not Scorsese's. By what mystical tool do you subjectively measure "genuine" tackling of ideas? At least Mutinyco's arguments are from a fellow who can see the scope of Marty's work and (unfortunately) not connect with it. Your wild misinterpretations and half-cooked meanderings are of your own invention. If you honestly believe that Cold Mountain shows as much integrity and profundity of any of the later works from Age Of Innocence on, well, we're speaking two totally different cinematic languages, to be sure.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 08, 2004, 01:19:25 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
I sitll don't believe in the genuineness and interestability of how Scorsese is "tackling' ideas. With as commercial as his films have been, the same logo of artistic integrity and search for the profound could be also be said of a film like Cold Moutain.


That's YOUR problem, not Scorsese's. By what mystical tool do you subjectively measure "genuine" tackling of ideas? At least Mutinyco's arguments are from a fellow who can see the scope of Marty's work and (unfortunately) not connect with it. Your wild misinterpretations and half-cooked meanderings are of your own invention. If you honestly believe that Cold Mountain shows as much integrity and profundity of any of the later works from Age Of Innocence on, well, we're speaking two totally different cinematic languages, to be sure.


Thank you for no argument. You just accuse me of blubbering mistakes and what not.
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Post by: SoNowThen on June 08, 2004, 01:49:25 PM
'kay, fine, let's have it all real discussion and everything.

I need to know where you stand, concretely:

Are there any MS movies you love?
Which ones do you hate?
Do you consider him an important and praise-worthy director?
Please state clearly what we are arguing (is it that Marty has "lost it", has "sold out", or did you just never liked him in the first place).

Cite examples from movies, interviews, and even (this is just for you, GT) critical writing.

WHAT'S YER BEEF WITH MARTY -- Chapter 1

Go.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: eward on June 08, 2004, 05:55:06 PM
oooh this'll be good
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Post by: Arnzilla on June 09, 2004, 05:11:36 AM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Scorsese is an excellent filmmaker, but a gun for hire these days.

"These days" are just a repeat of those days. In every decade that he's been a professional filmmaker, Scorsese has been "hired" for projects that have had a major star already attached: Burstyn for Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore, Newman for The Color of Money, De Niro for Cape Fear, and now DiCaprio for The Aviator.
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Post by: mutinyco on June 09, 2004, 09:22:54 AM
Your new avatar is like The Stepford Pfeiffer.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: MacGuffin on August 13, 2004, 08:26:13 PM
From Entertainment Weekly:

Before he was famous for being a reclusive germaphobe -- or, in Logan's words, "the old man in Las Vegas with long fingernails and shoe boxes on his feet watching Ice Station Zebra as his Mormon aides put codeine in his arms" -- Howard Hughes was famous for being a few other things: movie mogul, Hollywood lady-killer, and above all, pioneering aviator. Scorsese's reported $100 million epic, starring DiCaprio as the eccentric entrepreneur, focuses on the 20-year period when America's first billionaire revolutionized the business of air travel. "The film presents a Howard Hughes not really known," says Scorsese, who was recruited to the project by his Gangs of New York star DiCaprio. The actor developed the film with Logan and helmer Michael Mann, but the latter begged off due to burnout after The Insider and Ali. Scorsese came aboard despite a fear of flying. "But the more anything upsets me," he says, "the more I want to learn about it."

The Aviator does deal with the Hollywood Hughes, too. Scorsese, noted for his encyclopedic knowledge of movies, says he got some cineast kicks out of restaging scenes from Hell's Angels, one of the two films Hughes is credited with directing. The film also chronicles romances with Katherine Hepburn (Blanchett), who the film argues was the love of his life, and Ava Gardner (Beckinsale), with whom, the film suggests, Hughes was sexually obsessed. "He was attracted to large-breasted women, and she had the biggest pair around," says Beckinsale. Meanwhile, Logan and Scorsese both say they went to great lengths to present sensitively and seriously the mental illness that would ultimately define Hughes' image -- his terror-stricken interface with the world. "Like washing his hands. How he deals with a doorknob. How his people bring him lunch," says Scorsese. "The details entrench him in a kind of madness that he can't move out of."

Since wrapping last November, Scorsese has been working to whittle the film to about two hours and 40 minutes. Miramax and Warner Bros. will jointly distribute The Aviator, and producer Graham King says all is well between Scorsese and Miramax's Harvey Weinstein, who publicly clashed over the running time of Gangs. "The difference is night and day," says King, who adds that no one in the Aviator camp dares utter the O-word. "But wouldn't it be great if this could be the one for Marty?"

Dec. 17
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Post by: modage on August 13, 2004, 11:43:52 PM
100 million dollars for a 3 hour biopic?!?  goddamn, scorsese needs to get his budgets under control because this will probably lose a lot of money.  but who gives a shit if he keeps tricking people into giving him lots of money.
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Post by: eward on August 14, 2004, 08:54:02 AM
good for him
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Post by: Derek on August 21, 2004, 12:43:35 PM
The trailer here:

http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=trailer&id=1808411951&intl=us

It's been out for awhile, the trailer kind ofmakes me think of a cross between Citizen Kane and Tucker: A Man and His Dreams.
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Post by: MacGuffin on August 21, 2004, 01:06:19 PM
Quote from: Derek
It's been out for awhile


And on Page 8 for that same amount of time.
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Post by: Finn on August 26, 2004, 07:24:59 AM
aww get a load of this...

http://www.impawards.com/2004/aviator.html

LOL! Not one of the better Scorsese posters :wink:
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Post by: cine on August 26, 2004, 11:21:05 AM
Quote from: Insomniac
LOL! Not one of the better Scorsese posters :wink:

I have no problem with that poster.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: SHAFTR on August 26, 2004, 11:42:47 AM
It comes out on Christmas?

If you could only see one movie on Xmas day, do you pick The Aviator or The Life Aquatic?
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Post by: modage on August 26, 2004, 11:46:05 AM
no, its dec 17th, but frequently posters will say CHRISTMAS when its closeby even if its not christmas day because its easier to remember.  life aquatic should be opening slowly earlier in the month so i dont think many will have to make that decision.  but i guess if i had to, i'd choose......both.  

in 2002 i had to see About Schmidt, Adaptation and Gangs of New York because they all opened in DC on the same day.
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Post by: matt35mm on August 26, 2004, 03:32:53 PM
The poster makes it looks like Leonardo is playing God in the movie.
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Post by: SiliasRuby on August 26, 2004, 07:59:00 PM
Quote from: matt35mm
The poster makes it looks like Leonardo is playing God in the movie.

And still to some girls, Leonardo is God.
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Post by: brockly on October 07, 2004, 04:06:59 AM
sorry if this has been posted already...

Scorsese Plans Smaller Films
Acclaimed movie director Martin Scorsese is ditching big-budget epic productions in favor of making cheaper, more personal films. The Gangs Of New York legend has just finished shooting Howard Hughes biopic The Aviator and he's starting to crave the freedom that a smaller budget allows. The 61-year-old says, "I'm looking forward to making pictures that have a little smaller budget and taking different stories and going that way. As Harvey Weinstein said to me this morning, 'If you want to do a film that is kind of dark or violent for $20 million or something, fine. Shoot it in 30 days.' But if you are going to do something for $100 million or $110 million, it alters your subject matter and how you present the subject matter. And you know, as I get older too, I don't know if there is any room for me, in a way, with what is happening."
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Just Withnail on October 07, 2004, 05:41:48 AM
Yes, please.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Alexandro on October 25, 2004, 11:16:40 AM
10/24/2004 10:37:37 AM
It was clear from an early John Logan draft of The Aviator, subsequently shot by director Martin Scorsese and the film now awaiting a Warner Bros. release on 12.17, that the resounding love affair in the piece isn't between Howard Hughes and a woman (Cate Blanchett's Katharine Hepburn, Kate Beckinsdale's Ava Gardner, et. al.) but between Hughes and his flying machines. The longish film (a recent cut ran around 165 minutes) is also, apparently, buoyantly free of glumness or heavy-osity. "I know enough about it to say it is escapism, certainly for Scorsese," says industry tipster Pete Hammond. "That doesn't mean it's comedy, but it doesn't have the heavier feel of some of his other stuff. It's all about Hollywood, aviation and the larger-than-life persona of the young Howard Hughes." A publicist who's seen the film told Hammond late last week this was a good way to describe the film, agreeing it's "just good entertainment." Blanchett is said to be quite robust as Hepburn, but wouldn't that be a hard one to miss?

(www.hollywood-elsewhere.com)
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Post by: cowboykurtis on October 25, 2004, 11:51:16 AM
that poster is pretty awful
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Post by: modage on November 14, 2004, 10:21:09 PM
must copy and paste...
NEW TRAILER: http://movies.channel.aol.com/franchise/exclusives/theaviator.adp
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Post by: Redlum on November 15, 2004, 04:43:30 AM
Hmmm....
(http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/filmes/con-air/con-air-poster02.jpg)

I have to say that the new trailer got me a lot more excited than the first.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Pedro on November 15, 2004, 08:08:58 AM
looks like dicaprio really lost himself in this role.  early prediction:  nominated for best actor, lost to jamie foxx for ray
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Pozer on November 15, 2004, 08:51:06 PM
Quote from: matt35mm
The poster makes it looks like Leonardo is playing God in the movie.


And at the same time...the Devil.
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Post by: El Duderino on November 15, 2004, 08:55:05 PM
Quote from: POZER
Quote from: matt35mm
The poster makes it looks like Leonardo is playing God in the movie.


And at the same time...the Devil.


and at the same time...Howard Hughes
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Post by: Pubrick on November 15, 2004, 09:01:17 PM
Quote from: El Duderino
Quote from: POZER
Quote from: matt35mm
The poster makes it looks like Leonardo is playing God in the movie.


And at the same time...the Devil.


and at the same time...Howard Hughes

and at even the more same time.. a spectacular cumulonimbous cloud.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: picolas on November 15, 2004, 09:12:13 PM
Quote from: Pubrick
Quote from: El Duderino
Quote from: POZER
Quote from: matt35mm
The poster makes it looks like Leonardo is playing God in the movie.


And at the same time...the Devil.


and at the same time...Howard Hughes

and at even the more same time.. a spectacular cumulonimbous cloud.

and even at the even same at even more time... a guy with a really big head, tiny metal arms, no legs and an annoying electrical bowtie.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: hedwig on November 15, 2004, 09:53:03 PM
Quote from: picolas
Quote from: Pubrick
Quote from: El Duderino
Quote from: POZER
Quote from: matt35mm
The poster makes it looks like Leonardo is playing God in the movie.


And at the same time...the Devil.


and at the same time...Howard Hughes

and at even the more same time.. a spectacular cumulonimbous cloud.

and even at the even same at even more time... a guy with a really big head, tiny metal arms, no legs and an annoying electrical bowtie.


Bravo.
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Post by: eward on November 15, 2004, 11:04:03 PM
any idea when this'll be on quicktime?
Title: The Aviator
Post by: RegularKarate on November 16, 2004, 12:49:03 PM
Uh... I just watched it in Quicktime... from that link.

This looks more interesting than Gangs, except it doesn't really feel like a Scorceze film.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: eward on November 16, 2004, 08:09:50 PM
odd, when i click on the quicktime link it tells me it is not yet available for quicktime...

thats shitty
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Post by: MacGuffin on November 17, 2004, 04:01:03 PM
Quote from: eward
odd, when i click on the quicktime link it tells me it is not yet available for quicktime...

thats shitty


You're welcome:

Trailer #2 here (http://progressive.stream.aol.com/aol/us/moviefone/movies/2004/aviatorthe_017564/aviatorthe_trlr_02_dl.mov) in Quicktime.
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Post by: Finn on November 17, 2004, 04:29:39 PM
The second trailer is only a little better than the first.

Oh, happy birthday Marty.
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Post by: Bethie on November 17, 2004, 11:02:55 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate

 except it doesn't really feel like a Scorceze film.


Probably because it's a Scorsese film.


And like Small Town Loner mentioned, today was Marty's Birthday. He turned 62.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: El Duderino on November 18, 2004, 06:16:02 PM
my dad turned 56 yesterday
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Post by: cine on November 18, 2004, 06:26:03 PM
Quote from: El Duderino
my dad turned 56 yesterday

What did you get him for his birthday?
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Post by: El Duderino on November 18, 2004, 07:46:36 PM
Quote from: Cinsey
Quote from: El Duderino
my dad turned 56 yesterday

What did you get him for his birthday?


GoodFellas
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Post by: eward on November 18, 2004, 11:31:49 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: eward
odd, when i click on the quicktime link it tells me it is not yet available for quicktime...

thats shitty


You're welcome:

Trailer #2 here (http://progressive.stream.aol.com/aol/us/moviefone/movies/2004/aviatorthe_017564/aviatorthe_trlr_02_dl.mov) in Quicktime.


hey, thanxabunch mac
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Post by: MacGuffin on December 02, 2004, 02:18:16 PM
'The Aviator' Premieres in Los Angeles

(http://us.movies1.yimg.com/entertainment.yahoo.com/images/ent/ap/20041202/cacp101_the_aviator_premiere.sff.jpg)

Just about everyone seemed to be flying high at the world premiere of "The Aviator" director Martin Scorsese's portrait of eccentric billionaire Howard Hughes.

Earlier in the day, the New York-based National Board of Review ranked "The Aviator" as one of the 10 best pictures of the year. Focusing on Hughes' early years from 1930-1947, the film, starring Leonardo DiCaprio, shows how Hughes built a small fortune into a massive one.

Guests at Wednesday night's premiere included DiCaprio, Gwen Stefani, who plays Jean Harlow, "Fahrenheit 9/11" director Michael Moore and Michael Mann, another Board of Review honoree, who was named best director for "Collateral."
 
"(Hughes) led one of the most exciting, insane lives I've ever read in my life, and I just had to play him," said DiCaprio.

"The man is a crockpot of different things: from his relationship with his mother, him being (afraid of germs), having obsessive-compulsive disorder, being this champion aviator, America's first billionaire, coming into Hollywood, turning Hollywood upside down, being this producer that went against the studio system, battling big corporations and monopolies, going against the Senate."

Scorsese, director of "Gangs of New York," "Goodfellas" and "Raging Bull," said "The Aviator" was the "biggest" movie of his career.

"I must say the flying sequences were quite intense," he told AP Television News. "But we got it in on schedule and got what we wanted on schedule, too."

Stefani, dressed in a pink-chiffon gown, said she was nervous that she wouldn't remember the one line she has in the film.

"But once you get out there, it's like, `Oh, I know this.' Because it's the top of the top, Martin Scorsese, you get do it like 4,000 times, so I think I got it OK. It was an incredible experience because of the level of the people working on the movie are so passionate and amazing and talented."

"The Aviator," also starring Cate Blanchett, Kate Beckinsale and Alan Alda, opens in theaters nationwide on Dec. 17.
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Post by: cine on December 02, 2004, 03:48:05 PM
Ahhh it's Marty's year, baby. He's grabbing the gold.  :-D
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Post by: ©brad on December 02, 2004, 09:56:46 PM
Quote from: cinephilé
Ahhh it's Marty's year, baby. He's grabbing the gold.  :-D


double  :-D
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Post by: Satcho9 on December 03, 2004, 03:25:45 AM
I saw this at Grauman's tonight...Scorsese was in attendance...

If this film does not win best picture...it will be an atrocity.

This film...simply put...Excellent. Its still fresh in my mind and will resonate for days to come...still can not get over the fact Scorsese was there along with Thelma Schoonmaker and others...

Best Film of the Year.
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Post by: grand theft sparrow on December 03, 2004, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: Satcho9
I saw this at Grauman's tonight...Scorsese was in attendance...

If this film does not win best picture...it will be an atrocity.

This film...simply put...Excellent. Its still fresh in my mind and will resonate for days to come...still can not get over the fact Scorsese was there along with Thelma Schoonmaker and others...

Best Film of the Year.


How long is the movie?
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Post by: Satcho9 on December 03, 2004, 11:13:52 PM
A little under 3 hours....

doesnt feel like it though...
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Finn on December 04, 2004, 05:52:27 PM
Yeah Ebert & Roeper loved it too.
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Post by: MacGuffin on December 05, 2004, 08:33:08 PM
(http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/miramax_films/the_aviator/theaviator_bigposter.jpg)

(http://art.half.ebay.com/prod/4034886.jpeg)

OR

(http://art.half.ebay.com/prod/1215885.jpeg)
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Post by: Finn on December 05, 2004, 08:42:03 PM
Those are all pretty good.
That Aviator poster is a lot better than the other one.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: eward on December 05, 2004, 10:52:47 PM
are you kidding?  i think this new aviator poster sucks.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Gold Trumpet on December 05, 2004, 11:23:46 PM
Well, I like the poster. Hah, can play your game.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Orteous on December 06, 2004, 01:41:56 AM
(http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/allposters/24/1800161524p.jpg)

(http://picolas.jaako.com/schwarz.jpg)
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Post by: matt35mm on December 06, 2004, 08:24:42 AM
Just what are you trying to say, man?  Huh?
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Just Withnail on December 06, 2004, 10:01:50 AM
Do a switch with Travolta.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: eward on December 06, 2004, 03:24:21 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Well, I like the poster. Hah, can play your game.


i am endlessly fascinated by your new avatar.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: ©brad on December 06, 2004, 03:59:19 PM
i am endlessly disturbed by it.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: MacGuffin on December 06, 2004, 04:19:46 PM
I remember when GT, for the longest time, had no avatar.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: ono on December 06, 2004, 05:01:30 PM
It's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Pozer on December 08, 2004, 09:27:47 PM
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Post by: Pozer on December 08, 2004, 09:31:04 PM
oh yeah and:
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Post by: RegularKarate on December 08, 2004, 10:13:24 PM
Whoa!  You mean there's more than one poster with sunglasses?
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Post by: MacGuffin on December 09, 2004, 12:24:08 AM
Scorsese's Feeble Budget Predictions

Director Martin Scorsese grossly misjudged the budget for his latest movie The Aviator when he predicted it would cost less than Gangs of New York and ended up being more expensive. The film-maker was confident he could keep expenditure down on his biopic of Howard Hughes but accepts now his skills don't lie in finances - because he always fails to stick to the budgets he sets. He tells British magazine Time Out, "I thought The Aviator would be smaller. And it turned out that it's maybe as big, maybe bigger than Gangs. But you think, 'Oh, I can do this.' You gloss over some of the more difficult aspects until you get on the set, you get into pre-production. Then you think, 'Oh my, this will take more planning than I thought."
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Post by: jasper_window on December 09, 2004, 09:16:07 AM
The Aviator

By Peter Caranicas

Dec 3, 2004, 22:38
 

In an industry replete with examples of artistic collaboration, few ties can match the longevity and creative power of the relationship between legendary film director Martin Scorsese and his editor, Thelma Schoonmaker.

It started with Who's That Knocking at My Door? (1967), an Italian-American street story set in Scorsese's native New York and starring a young Harvey Keitel--continued through such classics as Raging Bull, King of Comedy, After Hours, Goodfellas, Kundun and Gangs of New York--and culminates (for the moment) with The Aviator, set for release in mid-December.

Schoonmaker describes The Aviator as "a big film." The dramatization of the life of Howard Hughes--the wealthy aviation pioneer who was also a major player in motion pictures during Hollywood's heyday of the '20s and '30s--was shot on location in Los Angeles and on several large soundstages at Mel's Cite du Cinema in Montreal. It features a stellar cast, including Leonardo DiCaprio, Cate Blanchett, Kate Beckinsale, Alan Alda, Alec Baldwin, John C. Reilly, Ian Holm and Gwen Stefani.

From a technological point of view, The Aviator is notable as the first film on which Scorsese made significant use of digital technology, and he did so in three ways: the film contains hundreds of digital visual effects shots; it made extensive use of digital pre-visualization; and it went through the digital intermediate process in postproduction. As editor, Schoonmaker was intimately involved in all these steps.

"We had a gigantic number of [visual] effects on The Aviator," she says. "It was something like 369 [effects shots in all]. We had maybe 20 on Gangs and two on Kundun, and none before that, so this was a new experience."

Visual effects supervisor Rob Legato--a veteran of such films as Bad Boys II, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, Titanic and Apollo 13--worked closely with Scorsese to achieve the visuals of a slew of airplanes that no longer exist, including the legendary Spruce Goose (referred to in the film by its proper name, the Hughes H-4 Hercules).

"This film is about aviation, and that meant a lot of flying things, which we hadn't done before," explains Schoonmaker. "Rob was great on effects. He's a wonderful teacher; he worked extremely well with Marty. There was a lot of give and take."

The Aviator was Scorsese and Schoonmaker's first experience with the pre-visualization process, whereby a scene is first created in a computer so judgments about how to shoot it can be made before going into production. "Pre-vis was new for me," Schoonmaker recalls. "I didn't know what the word meant. Marty said to me when he first came on, 'Look at the pre-vis that Rob has done.' I had no idea what he was talking about. So, that was very different.

"I also got involved in the grading and the digital intermediate, along with [Cinematographer] Bob Richardson [ASC]," she continues. "Rob [Legato] helped us achieve the two-color look that Marty wanted for the beginning of the film, as opposed to the Technicolor look he wanted for the rest of it. He wanted the color to reflect the passage of time in the movie."

Like others, Schoonmaker appreciates the value of digital intermediates. "With all the visual effects, I don't think we could have done [this film] any other way. With DI--because we were in the digital domain--we could incorporate the visual effects that sometimes would be sent to us via the Internet. We could put them right into the film without having to wait for opticals. I think DI is very important for a film with huge visual effects."

Schoonmaker's work begins the same day shooting begins. She travels wherever the production travels but doesn't spend a lot of time on the set. "I don't like to go there too much because it prejudices my eye," she explains. "I'd rather see it for the first time on the screen. I think it's my job to always have a little perspective. Marty will say to me, 'Do you believe that? Is that working? Is that clear?'"

Also, in order to maintain an objective attitude toward the material, Schoonmaker purposely did not read anything about Hughes before or during production. "I knew we were doing a partly fictional Howard Hughes because of the condensing that had to go on. [It was] such a huge life. I didn't want to be reading things that would make me think things like, 'Oh, I wish that scene were in the film,' because you just can't get it all in. This was the first time I had done that. On Kundun, for example, I had to learn a lot about Tibet. This one, I just wanted it to evolve on the screen for me and not be prejudiced by anything I've read, or worried that something was left out."

Throughout production, Schoonmaker edits every day. "My most important time is with Marty, [working on] dailies at night. He's constantly reacting to his dailies. There are directors, I've heard, who don't react at all. They just look at them and leave it to the editor. Marty is constantly talking to me about what he likes, doesn't like, the performances, how he's trying to guide an actor toward a certain performance. It's one of the most incredibly stimulating times."

With The Aviator, there were special editorial challenges relating to dialogue. The film contains a lot of humor, and Scorsese and writer John Logan (The Last Samurai, Gladiator) sought to re-create the fast repartee and overlapping dialogue of 1930s comedies. "That was a little scary," says Schoonmaker. "When I saw the dailies, I thought, 'Oh my God, how's this going to work?' But I just let it evolve, and somehow it did."

It didn't hurt that the cast included some exceptionally well trained stage actors. "Especially Alan Alda and Ian Holm," says Schoonmaker. "They just work the lines. Every take is completely different and equally valid. They have a funny, wonderful comic sense. That was really fun."

Scorsese does not always see the cuts that Schoonmaker makes as production advances. "Sometimes he'll see them if he has time," she says. "And there'll be times when he'll ask me to show him something because he needs to see what it's going to look like in order to shoot another scene, but generally he's just too busy. After the shooting wrapped, there was still a lot of work to do. The film needed some shaping and sometimes a little bit of restructuring."

While not an early adopter, Schoonmaker has certainly taken advantage of editing technology and its evolution over the years. "I resisted it at first," she admits. "The first time I edited digitally was on [Scorsese's 1995 gangster-themed] Casino, and I quickly snapped right in. It was no problem. But I find that I experiment a lot more. Now I make a copy of my edit--it only takes a second--and then I slam into it and turn it upside down, not worrying about the sync of the music or the dialog or anything. I just try something experimental. I would never be so quick to do that if I were working on film because I would have to take it all apart, do a new edit, and remember how I did the old edit. I find that sometimes I'll present Marty with six versions of a scene. [The technology] has freed me a lot in that way."

Schoonmaker does not consider nonlinear editing a time-saver. "I don't think digital editing has ever saved time," she says. "I don't think it has ever saved money, either. But it is the way we do things now. There's no going back."

Schoonmaker's relationship with Scorsese spans 37 years and 20 films. "I love working for him," she says. "Every film is so different, and such a different challenge. He's stretching himself, and I stretch myself with him."
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Post by: ©brad on December 09, 2004, 11:26:31 AM
so marty has soooo hit that, am i right people?
Title: The Aviator
Post by: jasper_window on December 10, 2004, 08:01:21 AM
maybe in his cocaine days, but now...
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Alexandro on December 10, 2004, 04:12:28 PM
11 nominations for the golden satellite awards...

does that means anything at all???

anyway, just a little thought...and this coming from one of the biggest of scrosese's fans, but shouldn't a director be judged also because of his reliability with budgets?? isn't that a little, kind of like, part of the job too??

i mean marty has consistenly gone way over budget with a bunch of his films...he did it with casino, and kundun if i remember correctly, he did it with gangs and now with this!!!!

i mean, if i were him, and half of hollywood is claiming that i just misfired completely with Gangs of New York, and they nominate my nmovie for ten oscars and give me shit, and all I wanna do is being able to work again (as he said), not in a million years I would go over budget with an already pretty expensive film like The Aviator. I would just find a way around a problem instead of asking for some more money...

But well, apparently the movie IS good in the eyes of the mayority, so let's hope it makes some good money. But still, even if it works, being on budget is part of being a total pro, isn it?
Title: The Aviator
Post by: MacGuffin on December 13, 2004, 07:32:19 AM
Movie Maestro, Yes, But Scorsese Is Still Learning

Even master director Martin Scorsese, whose films include the acclaimed "Taxi Driver" and "Raging Bull," admits he has things to learn about moviemaking.

Scorsese's "The Aviator" starring Leonardo DiCaprio in a tale of eccentric billionaire Howard Hughes, hits U.S. theaters this month with the expectation that it may be the year's best movie and earn Scorsese his first Oscar. He dismisses such talk as hype that could ultimately ruin the movie for audiences.

The director is known, mostly, for his small-scale films. But like 2002's "Gangs of New York," "Aviator" is a big, flashy Hollywood movie. It comes to audiences chock full of digital effects that the 62 year-old director has used rarely in a career spanning more than 40 years.
 
"The problem is, there is a certain expectation," he told Reuters. "Will that experiment -- every time you make a film it's kind of an experiment -- but will that be accepted by an audience that wants something else? I don't know."

He, and all his fans, are set to find out on Dec. 17, when the film opens in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York, followed by the rest of the country on Christmas Day.

Scorsese was among a group of maverick directors in the 1970s making hit movies outside Hollywood. He focused on low-budget, urban stories of tormented characters seeking personal redemption.

In the 1980s, he suffered setbacks like the controversial "The Last Temptation of Christ" then rebounded in 1990 with "Goodfellas," a drama about a turncoat Mafia foot soldier, cementing his reputation as a maestro of moviemaking.

"Gangs," about rival gang warfare set in 1860s New York, was hyped by Hollywood pitchmen as the film that would finally win Scorsese a best director's Oscar. But he lost to director Roman Polanski with "The Pianist"

OSCAR BUZZ AND BURDEN

"Aviator," too, comes heaped with Oscar buzz, and already the U.S. film group, The National Board of Review , put it at No. 2 on its list of top 10 films behind "Finding Neverland."

At first, that would seem to be a good thing. But Hollywood pitchmen sometimes forget that fans often want to judge for themselves which film they think is best and which directors and performers they think deserve accolades. They don't want to be told.

"Audiences begin to resent that," Scorsese said of the buzz.

"Aviator" covers roughly 20 years in the life of Hughes, who went from film-producing wunderkind in the late 1920s to aviation genius of the 1940s, before slipping into the madness that plagued him until he died in an plane crash in 1976.

The film opens with Hughes (DiCaprio) in his early 20s when he was making 1930's aerial war film "Hell's Angels." It moves through his love affairs with Katharine Hepburn) and Ava Gardner), and depicts Hollywood's Golden Age and the nightlife at clubs like the legendary Cocoanut Grove.

At the same time, the movie covers Hughes' aviation genius. He developed the fastest plane of his day and flew around the world in a record three days and 19 hours in 1938.

There were bad times, too. Hughes and his Trans World Airlines fought the U.S. government and rival Pan American World Airways over international flight routes. The battle nearly landed TWA in bankruptcy.

Hughes suffered from obsessive compulsive disorder and germ phobia. He is shown scrubbing his hands raw and locking himself alone in a room for weeks.

FILMMAKER'S FILMMAKER

"Aviator" is a human drama, yet it also has elements of big-time moviemaking. Some of the flying scenes were produced with digital images, while others were made with plane models.

Scorsese first shot "Aviator" traditionally, then used digital technology to, in effect, reprocess the film to make it look like movies of the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s.

"The nature of filmmaking is changing ... we're going to have to change with it," he said of using technology. He added, however, that "the problem is the technology can take away from what you're saying ... it takes the heart, sometimes."

In many ways, "Aviator" harkens to what Scorsese does best. It paints a picture of a tormented person who, ultimately, has redeeming qualities. It is a simple story of a complex individual. But instead of a small canvas, Scorsese weaves his tale on a massive scale, as he did in "Gangs."

It's a risky proposition, he said. "I don't know how many more times I can make a big film with a budget like this that has elements that have enough risk factors to make me feel comfortable," Scorsese said.

In fact, he said he next is returning to small-scale filmmaking with a gangster movie called "The Departed" that has a simple tale to tell. "The simplicity is the challenge," he said, "because simplicity is deceptive."

And in Hollywood, especially during this hard-to-figure Oscar-nomination season, simplicity is elusive, as well.
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Post by: modage on December 13, 2004, 02:26:26 PM
i didnt realize this would be a limited release.  that kind of sucks (for me).
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Post by: Ghostboy on December 13, 2004, 02:34:36 PM
Well, it's only eight days between the limited and regular engagements...that doesn't suck too bad.
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on December 14, 2004, 03:46:23 PM
It's a pretty great flick, albeit with one huge flaw: Kate Beckinsale.  She's fine, but her character and her relationship with Hughes is never really realized completely (why does still deal w/ him after he goes off the deep end?  And how exactly did they end up together?  All of the sudden, she's there).  Cate Blanchett steals the movie, damnit let's just give the girl and Oscar and be done w/ it.  Well-made and fascinating (the boob I am, I hardly knew the half of Hughes' life).  Great finish too.
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Post by: ono on December 14, 2004, 11:32:43 PM
Roger Ebert interviews Martin Scorsese. (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041212/ESSAYS/412120302)
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Post by: eward on December 15, 2004, 12:43:32 PM
that was nice.
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Post by: Bethie on December 17, 2004, 12:36:40 AM
Oh yeah, Friday Dec. 17(tonight) on TCM they're showing a show on Howard Hughes: His women and his movies. 8-9pm.
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Post by: cine on December 17, 2004, 12:53:25 AM
Quote from: Bethie
Oh yeah, Friday Dec. 17(tonight) on TCM they're showing a show on Howard Hughes: His women and his movies. 8-9pm.

I heard you were taping that too....
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Post by: modage on December 17, 2004, 09:44:33 AM
also SNEAK PREVIEWS (i assume nationwide) this saturday.  (i cant go though.)  :(
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Post by: analogzombie on December 17, 2004, 11:39:15 AM
I think when Clint Eastwood beats Scorsese out of his Oscar this year Scorsese should rush the stage and shoot himself in the head on live TV. Or better, become a weird recluse and make period viking porn.
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Post by: Alexandro on December 17, 2004, 12:54:59 PM
Quote from: analogzombie
I think when Clint Eastwood beats Scorsese out of his Oscar this year Scorsese should rush the stage and shoot himself in the head on live TV. Or better, become a weird recluse and make period viking porn.



Yeah that could happen...

I mean, I'm pretty sure the academy would give a second oscar to eastwood before giving one to scorsese...for some reason they just don't seem to like him...


and marty will stand up inmediately and applaud, and the feeling i get is he's going to be sincere...after gangs i think, he really doesn't care anymore about the oscars...
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Post by: cine on December 17, 2004, 01:22:53 PM
You're just saying that cause your name is Alexandro.
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Post by: MacGuffin on December 17, 2004, 01:45:23 PM
Quote from: Alexandro
after gangs i think, he really doesn't care anymore about the oscars...


That's not what he said on Oprah. Paraphasing: She asked him if he was "pissed" that he hasn't received an Oscar yet. He said, he wasn't pissed, but disappointed. But then he continued by saying that he's grateful that he's making the movies he wants to make, and that that's more important to him.
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Post by: Alexandro on December 17, 2004, 01:52:14 PM
Yeah, but it's like when you really want a girl and she never likes you back and you try and you try and you suffer but then one day you say:

"you know what?? i'm done with this, i'm more happy without it"...and you go on and you're not really pissed at the stupid bitch, right?
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Post by: eward on December 17, 2004, 03:01:09 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: Alexandro
after gangs i think, he really doesn't care anymore about the oscars...


That's not what he said on Oprah. Paraphasing: She asked him if he was "pissed" that he hasn't received an Oscar yet. He said, he wasn't pissed, but disappointed. But then he continued by saying that he's grateful that he's making the movies he wants to make, and that that's more important to him.


did she say "pissed" because spielberg said he was "pissed" for not winning after color purple on her show in like 97?
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Post by: samsong on December 19, 2004, 02:13:25 AM
A little too sterile and conventional for this to be considered a great Scorsese picture, but The Aviator is a very good film.  Leonardo DiCaprio, who I had no faith in, pulls off the Scorsesian hero with great charisma and range, and, as all of us knew before this film was even made, Cate Blanchett is stellar as Katherine Hepburn.  Scorsese draws a lot of parallels between Howard Hughes and Charles Foster Kane (which if you weren't able to pick up off of the trailer, you probably should never go to another movie again), an almost euphoric experience for me -- it's fascinating to see Scorsese deal so directly with one of his and American cinema's biggest influences.  

"Full review sometime in the future."

Go see it.
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Post by: MacGuffin on December 21, 2004, 02:27:13 PM
Quote from: Alexandro
anyway, just a little thought...and this coming from one of the biggest of scrosese's fans, but shouldn't a director be judged also because of his reliability with budgets?? isn't that a little, kind of like, part of the job too??

i mean marty has consistenly gone way over budget with a bunch of his films...he did it with casino, and kundun if i remember correctly, he did it with gangs and now with this!!!!

i mean, if i were him, and half of hollywood is claiming that i just misfired completely with Gangs of New York, and they nominate my nmovie for ten oscars and give me shit, and all I wanna do is being able to work again (as he said), not in a million years I would go over budget with an already pretty expensive film like The Aviator. I would just find a way around a problem instead of asking for some more money...


Without Graham King, 'Aviator' wouldn't fly
Largely unknown outside of the insular world of film industry foreign sales, the British businessman has quietly emerged as the new king of Hollywood high rollers. Source: Los Angeles Times

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When Leonardo DiCaprio arrived in Japan to promote the opening of "Gangs of New York" in November 2002, the handsome young star was greeted by thousands of screaming fans, who broke through barricades and might have smothered him with adulation if security hadn't kept them at a safe distance. Watching the surging crowd of kids, hardly attracting a glance, was a burly man who would look right at home playing a vigilant bodyguard in a British gangster movie.

Largely unknown outside of the insular world of film industry foreign sales, Graham King has quietly emerged as the new king of Hollywood high rollers, having provided the key foreign financing for a series of risky high-profile projects that might never have gone before the cameras without his support. In fact, while DiCaprio and "Gangs" director Martin Scorsese were in Japan, King put them to work selling his next picture. Knowing both men were longing to make "The Aviator," which goes into wide release this weekend, King had DiCaprio and Scorsese woo a leading Japanese film investor, touting the saga of Howard Hughes, the test-pilot daredevil who built an aviation empire while romancing every Hollywood starlet in the phonebook.

By the time DiCaprio and Scorsese finished their pitch, King had a sale, pocketing a $13-million commitment for the Japanese distribution rights to "Aviator." King was responsible for roughly $80 million of the film's $116-million budget, with the rest of the backing coming from Miramax and Warner Bros. With so much money on the line, "Aviator" represents King's biggest bet yet. For all the press attention that's been focused on the fractious relationship between Scorsese and Miramax czar Harvey Weinstein, Weinstein was largely in the background on "Aviator" — it's King who put in most of the money and spent every day on the set, keeping an eye on his investment. Old Hollywood hands, knowing that Scorsese has gone over budget on virtually every movie he's made, predicted doom, figuring the cagey director would walk all over the neophyte producer. "When I told people I was doing 'Aviator' with Marty right after 'Gangs,' everyone said to me, 'Have you lost your mind?' " King recalls.

Although he admits to popping a few Ambiens along the way, the 43-year-old producer kept the movie from spiraling out of control. "For 91 days, all Marty heard me say was how much this movie was costing," explains King, who retains the cockney accent of his old London neighborhood. "Before we started, I told Marty, 'We have a schedule of 91 days, and if that's not realistic, tell me now, because if we go to 115 days, it could put me out of business. And if I go down, we all go down."

Newcomers to Hollywood often go down for the count. Early on in "The Aviator," we see Hughes buttonhole MGM mogul Louis B. Mayer, wanting to borrow a couple of cameras to supplement the 24 cameras he already has filming the aerial scenes of his epic "Hell's Angels." Mayer turns him down, telling him to go back home, saying 'You'll go broke here.' " King has heard such advice many times himself. Over the years, countless outside investors have crashed and burned, betting on too many bad movies and blowing too much cash on private jets and posh parties.

Still, King has earned considerable goodwill, largely because he is one of the few risk-takers left willing to back artistically ambitious projects. "Graham's movies all display a pattern," says Jim Gianopulos, co-chairman of 20th Century Fox. "They are films that for one reason or another, studios would've been very nervous about financing themselves, but they're made by gifted filmmakers with a vision Graham trusted. What he's really doing is taking the creative risk on the film, which is often what you have to do to make a great picture."

In today's Hollywood, risk is a dirty word. At most studios, ambitious projects are a rare luxury, elbowed aside by a flood of easy-to-market special-effects thrillers. The few Oscar-worthy films released by studios are invariably made with the help of independent investors — according to Forbes, studios rely on outside partners for 75% of the movies they release. 20th Century Fox only made "Master and Commander" after it recruited two other studios to help foot the bill. Despite a three-decade relationship with Clint Eastwood, Warners wouldn't back "Million Dollar Baby" until Lakeshore Entertainment agreed to pay for half the budget.

While everyone else is hedging their bets, King reaches for the sky. "Graham is an old-style entrepreneur who champions films few other people would be willing to make," says Weinstein, who compares him to Sam Spiegel, the impresario who made "On the Waterfront" and "Lawrence of Arabia." King is always searching for an uncut diamond, often an expensive one. In 2000, King put up $40 million of the $55-million budget for Steven Soderbergh's "Traffic," which won four Oscars. He spent $55 million on Michael Mann's "Ali," then wagered $65 million on "Gangs." If "Aviator" is nominated for a best picture Oscar next month, he'll have three best picture nominations in four tries, a feat today's risk-averse studios can only dream about.

At first glance, it's hard to imagine King as a man with poetry in his soul. He grew up in the rough and tumble East End, where his father ran a garage and knew the Krays, the notorious gangsters who ruled '60s-era London. Like many kids his age, King had twin passions — movies and soccer. At lunch one day, he spots a young man wearing an Arsenal T-shirt, prompting an enthusiastic explanation of British soccer rivalries (King's team is Chelsea).

King came to Los Angeles at 19, ostensibly to attend college. He lasted a year before he landed a job in 20th Century Fox's international TV department. His six years there gave him an appreciation for the global marketplace, then a backwater of the business. King eventually opened his own foreign sales firm, Initial Entertainment Group, which has gone through several partners and owners along the way. King was such a small fry that when he offered to pay $65 million to back "Gangs," then-Disney Chairman Joe Roth, who controlled the project, had to call King's banker, John Miller at J.P. Morgan Chase, to check out his credentials.

King doesn't wager all this money himself. He sells the foreign rights to a film country by country, a formula pioneered years ago by Dino De Laurentiis. As King explains: "I greenlight a $100-million movie, but I've sold off the domestic [distribution] rights for 35% [of the budget] and I know I can get 55% [of the budget] from my foreign markets. So before I even shoot one scene, I've got 90% of the film covered. So where's my risk?"

In fact, he has already recouped 95% of his investment in "The Aviator." His risk lies in gambling on one extravaganza at a time. Studios have so many streams of income that they can write off half a dozen failures without blinking an eye. King can survive one bomb, like "Ali," but if he has two in a row, his foreign investors will slip out the back door the next time he comes calling.

A more cautious soul might be content to remake old movies. Not King. When Paramount approached him about partnering on "Alfie" and "The Italian Job," he passed. "I told them, 'No way. Those are classics. If you're going to remake them you better have the goods.' " In order to get access to the best material in town, King has production deals with stars like DiCaprio and Johnny Depp, figuring they'll be magnets for good scripts. It's telling that the upcoming project King is most excited about is "Shantaram," a Depp vehicle based on a semi-autobiographical 944-page novel about an Australian heroin addict who escapes from prison and flees to India, where he becomes a doctor in the Bombay slums and a gun-runner battling Russians in 1980s Afghanistan.

The days when a major studio would finance a project like that are gone. If "Shantaram" gets made, it will be because King raises most of the money. He is still amazed that no studio wanted to make "The Aviator." Before Miramax got involved, the project was turned down everywhere. "They all went 'pass, pass, pass — we don't like it,' and yet they're happy to turn around and greenlight some ordinary action film you could see any day of the week," King says, still sounding slightly incredulous.

Whether it's a great soccer match or an ambitious film, the thrill for King is being in the thick of things. When I first met him, he took great delight in recounting the saga of his first fight with Weinstein, an epic showdown over the rights to a foreign territory for "Gangs" that raged for days on end. Later, when "Gangs" went over budget, Weinstein demanded more money. More shouting ensued, but King stood his ground. Today all seems forgiven — the two men are full of praise for each other.

"At first Harvey was very intimidating. But I stuck to my guns, which is just my personality. Besides, I had to say no with 'Gangs,' " King says with a grin. "I didn't have any more money to give him."
Title: The Aviator
Post by: mutinyco on December 22, 2004, 09:53:37 PM
Scorsese will win. It's the first movie he's done that actually plays like an Oscar picture. He was even-tempered. And he never let his technique get in the way. He let the story tell itself.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: ©brad on December 25, 2004, 08:51:32 PM
alright are y'all ready for this shit?

i go to my local shit-aplex (my new name for it now) with my mom to see this movie earlier this evening. we arrived at 4:30 and bought our tickets for the 5:00 show. we purposely got there exceptionally early b/c i was anticipating a large crowd. the line, as it turned out, was unusually meager. we snuck into ocean's 12 for about 20 minutes, then at 4:50 walked into what was now a full theater for the aviator. i found us two seats on the front row (fucking hell) and we waited.

now, it's 5:20, and still, the movie has yet to begin. now, at this local shit-aplex they play these cheesy slides of local business advertisements (i'm sure this is done elsewhere, but i have yet to see it myself at any other theater). at 5:25, finally, this 15 year old kid going nuts in the projection room finally gets the thing going. we all cheer. the trailers begin.

BUT

NO FUCKING SOUND.

we sit through trailers for million dollar baby and the new world w/o any audio. miraculously, just as the ultra-cool aviator title logo comes up, the sound comes. we cheer again.

BUT

ITS WAY TOO FUCKING LOUD.

now guys, i'm 22 years old. i attend concerts, shows, and other events of similar audible loudness on a regular basis. as a film-buff or fan or whatever the hell you want to call it,  i like my movies loud (and my cars fast and beer cold). but this was way beyond any tolerable level i could stand, let alone the near-senile senior citizens that made up the majority of the audience. y'all, i'm taking BALLS-TO-THE-WALLS,-HEAVY-METAL,-TEAR-THE-SKIN-OFF-YOUR-BONE LOUD. after about 15 minutes of this shit, finally someone complains. the sound is finally fixed. we cheer again.

BUT

now the sound is too fucking low!! and these amazing flying sequences i'm seeing are not nearly as impressive as they should be because i can barely hear leo talk, let alone hear the fucking airplane engine roar.

let's all stop here and take a deep breath. :breath: :release:.

NOW

despite all the fuck ups, i am still loving the movie in everyway- leo at his best, scorsese finally gotten back into his game, cate blanchett is a revelation, everything is working, i'm loving it, right?  two and a half hours later, just as mr. hughes is forced to go to that trial thing...

THE MOVIE STOPS.

the audience exploads into a collective roar of frustration.

on screen we're back to the cheesy slides, the first one ironically being "SIT BACK. RELAX. AND ENJOY THE SHOW." we abrupt in angry laughter.

a long 5 minutes go by, and we're off again, finally (by now i'd say at least 10 people had left the theater).

trial ensues for a mere 2 minutes before... you guessed it...

movie stops again.

my patience is now running as thin as possibe, tissue-paper thin.

the 15 year old in the projection room is going nuts, scratching his head, throwing pieces of film around (seriously). a few minutes later, the movie starts...

...then stops yet again for the umteenth time. my mom and i and the majority of the audience leave. the people for the 8:30 show are already impatiently waiting. i already have a cigarette in my mouth as i run-walk to the exit door. my mom is just as mad. we both agree the following; the first two and a half hours were great, the movie theater sucks hairy ass and should be torn down immediately, and we need to injest as much alcohol as humanly possible as soon as possible.

so, um, merry christmas. hope everyone enjoys it as much as i enjoyed the first 3/4ths of it.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: eward on December 26, 2004, 12:51:07 AM
you missed a powerful goddamn closing scene if you didnt get to finish it.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: SiliasRuby on December 26, 2004, 01:32:15 AM
I saw it today, (dec. 25th) and I completely loved it. A total solid scorsese picture and Eward is right Cbrad, you miss a hell of a closing scene. Hopefully you will get the chance to see it again. It really is wonderful.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Pozer on December 26, 2004, 12:42:08 PM
Quote from: ©brad
alright are y'all ready for this shit?

i go to my local shit-aplex (my new name for it now) with my mom to see this movie earlier this evening. we arrived at 4:30 and bought our tickets for the 5:00 show. we purposely got there exceptionally early b/c i was anticipating a large crowd. the line, as it turned out, was unusually meager. we snuck into ocean's 12 for about 20 minutes, then at 4:50 walked into what was now a full theater for the aviator. i found us two seats on the front row (fucking hell) and we waited.

now, it's 5:20, and still, the movie has yet to begin. now, at this local shit-aplex they play these cheesy slides of local business advertisements (i'm sure this is done elsewhere, but i have yet to see it myself at any other theater). at 5:25, finally, this 15 year old kid going nuts in the projection room finally gets the thing going. we all cheer. the trailers begin.

BUT

NO FUCKING SOUND.

we sit through trailers for million dollar baby and the new world w/o any audio. miraculously, just as the ultra-cool aviator title logo comes up, the sound comes. we cheer again.

BUT

ITS WAY TOO FUCKING LOUD.

now guys, i'm 22 years old. i attend concerts, shows, and other events of similar audible loudness on a regular basis. as a film-buff or fan or whatever the hell you want to call it,  i like my movies loud (and my cars fast and beer cold). but this was way beyond any tolerable level i could stand, let alone the near-senile senior citizens that made up the majority of the audience. y'all, i'm taking BALLS-TO-THE-WALLS,-HEAVY-METAL,-TEAR-THE-SKIN-OFF-YOUR-BONE LOUD. after about 15 minutes of this shit, finally someone complains. the sound is finally fixed. we cheer again.

BUT

now the sound is too fucking low!! and these amazing flying sequences i'm seeing are not nearly as impressive as they should be because i can barely hear leo talk, let alone hear the fucking airplane engine roar.

let's all stop here and take a deep breath. :breath: :release:.

NOW

despite all the fuck ups, i am still loving the movie in everyway- leo at his best, scorsese finally gotten back into his game, cate blanchett is a revelation, everything is working, i'm loving it, right?  two and a half hours later, just as mr. hughes is forced to go to that trial thing...

THE MOVIE STOPS.

the audience exploads into a collective roar of frustration.

on screen we're back to the cheesy slides, the first one ironically being "SIT BACK. RELAX. AND ENJOY THE SHOW." we abrupt in angry laughter.

a long 5 minutes go by, and we're off again, finally (by now i'd say at least 10 people had left the theater).

trial ensues for a mere 2 minutes before... you guessed it...

movie stops again.

my patience is now running as thin as possibe, tissue-paper thin.

the 15 year old in the projection room is going nuts, scratching his head, throwing pieces of film around (seriously). a few minutes later, the movie starts...

...then stops yet again for the umteenth time. my mom and i and the majority of the audience leave. the people for the 8:30 show are already impatiently waiting. i already have a cigarette in my mouth as i run-walk to the exit door. my mom is just as mad. we both agree the following; the first two and a half hours were great, the movie theater sucks hairy ass and should be torn down immediately, and we need to injest as much alcohol as humanly possible as soon as possible.

so, um, merry christmas. hope everyone enjoys it as much as i enjoyed the first 3/4ths of it.

That truly sucks. I found myself feeling really angry on the inside at your theater while I was reading your post because I had a similar experience with The Thin Red Line which doesn't compare to it happening during a film like this. But still, it completely tarnishes an experience you've long been anticipating.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: SoNowThen on December 26, 2004, 12:50:01 PM
Marty comes through again. Gets a great performance from Leo. Also, as usual with a Scorsese film, has the best soundtrack of the year. I love the fact that a big budget Hollywood movie ended on such a bleak note. I love all the frazzled faces of the people as they walk out of the theatre. Hahaha!


Anyway, maybe this one had a tiny bit less heart than your top-notch Marty pictures, but it had everything else I coulda asked for. Strangely enough, the PERFECT movie for the kinda Christmas I had...
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Post by: modage on December 26, 2004, 10:14:28 PM
saw this today and really liked it.  from everything i'd read i was expecting a less scorsese-y movie but in that way i was surprised at how much of a scorsese movie i thought it was.  i loved how the camera flashes seemed VIOLENT.  also SPOILER MINOR the plane crash was not 'fun' or handled lightly like it would've been in most films.  it was hardcore and looked SO painful, you really felt it.  great stuff END SPOILER  i also didnt realize that the movie got into any of his crazy long fingernail stuff, everything i'd read made it seem like they hinted at it only a bit but i thought they really got into it (especially the screening room).  my only complaint is that while i sympathized, i never really felt like i understood Hughes so it was like watching a biography, not letting you inside his motivations etc.  perhaps scorsese or anybody doesnt feel like they did know why so it wasnt important.  i did like how it only handled a portion of his life and didnt feel too biopic-y.  leo did a great job but towards the older hughes just didnt seem old enough.  i thought beckinsdale was fine.  the golf course was like fluorescent.  i want to see Hells Angels & the Outlaws now.  my theatre was also REALLY LOUD.

also: so many similarities to tucker: the man and his dream (with a dash of a beautiful mind).
Title: The Aviator
Post by: samsong on December 26, 2004, 10:26:37 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
also: so many similarities to tucker: the man and his dream (with a dash of a beautiful mind).


leave...now.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: modage on December 26, 2004, 10:29:31 PM
i dont think so.  explain how its not.
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Post by: samsong on December 27, 2004, 02:44:21 AM
you've overstayed your welcome once you've likened a ron howard film to that of scorsese's. i haven't seen tucker: THE MAN AND HIS DREAM and for all i know it's a great movie, but i'd like to think a film with that kind of subtitle is, once again, beneath scorsese.

now leave.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: soixante on December 27, 2004, 03:17:02 AM
I think the point was that Tucker, Beautiful Mind and Aviator are films about misunderstood visionaries who pay an awful price for being so bloody brilliant.  I don't believe the point was equating Scorsese with Ron Howard.  

There is a critical theory that distinguishes the "what" from the "how."  Thin Red Line and Saving Private Ryan are both WWII films, and both feature amphibious landings.  But the similarities end there, as Malick's style is different from Spielberg's.  Both films are good, maybe even great -- but they reflect utterly different sensibilities.

Put it another way -- you have a bowl of fruit.  Picasso paints it one way, Cezanne another.  Same fruit, different paitings, different sensibilities.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: samsong on December 27, 2004, 03:36:22 AM
this is modage we're talking about...
Title: The Aviator
Post by: modage on December 27, 2004, 09:39:34 AM
Quote from: samsong
Quote from: themodernage02
also: so many similarities to tucker: the man and his dream (with a dash of a beautiful mind).


leave...now.

first of all, you're not cinephile.  when he does it, its funny.
Quote from: samsong
you've overstayed your welcome once you've likened a ron howard film to that of scorsese's. i haven't seen tucker: THE MAN AND HIS DREAM and for all i know it's a great movie, but i'd like to think a film with that kind of subtitle is, once again, beneath scorsese.

now leave.

second of all, you're criticizing me for comparing this to a movie YOU'VE NEVER EVEN SEEN.  uhhh, you might want to rent it first.  coppola made it about ten years ago.  do you want to hear the plot synopsis?  The true story of a dreamer shortly after WWII who tries to invent a better car but is crushed by corporate a-holes.  does that sound anything like the movie you just saw?  naah, but you wouldnt want to actually watch it first though to know what you are talking about.  and its arguable how far beneath scorsese Francis Ford Coppola is.  i said a DASH of beautiful mind, i never said he was inspired by those films i was just noticing a similarity in the delusions and paranoia of the main character.  
Quote from: samsong
this is modage we're talking about...

i'm really not sure where this came from, but i already have a nemesis so you're going to have to find somebody else.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Finn on December 27, 2004, 10:04:11 AM
I thought this was a really strong and good film but not one of Scorsese's best. I think it doesn't quite reach greatness, but I admired the cast, the filmmaking and the special effects (particularly during that great crash scene).
Title: The Aviator
Post by: eward on December 27, 2004, 12:11:35 PM
scorsese's hollywood picture, while maybe just slightly empty compared to his other films, is still better than 7 out of 10 of the other hollywood pictures we get day in and day out.

the only scene that i remember as really just not liking, was the scene

SPOILERS

with the breasts and the mpaa and the meteorologist.

other than that, i really loved the film.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: samsong on December 27, 2004, 02:24:10 PM
Quote from: eward
scorsese's hollywood picture, while maybe just slightly empty compared to his other films, is still better than 7 out of 10 of the other hollywood pictures we get day in and day out.

the only scene that i remember as really just not liking, was the scene

SPOILERS

with the breasts and the mpaa and the meteorologist.

other than that, i really loved the film.


i agree with every word you just said.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: samsong on December 27, 2004, 02:32:31 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
Quote from: samsong
Quote from: themodernage02
also: so many similarities to tucker: the man and his dream (with a dash of a beautiful mind).


leave...now.

first of all, you're not cinephile.  when he does it, its funny.
Quote from: samsong
you've overstayed your welcome once you've likened a ron howard film to that of scorsese's. i haven't seen tucker: THE MAN AND HIS DREAM and for all i know it's a great movie, but i'd like to think a film with that kind of subtitle is, once again, beneath scorsese.

now leave.

second of all, you're criticizing me for comparing this to a movie YOU'VE NEVER EVEN SEEN.  uhhh, you might want to rent it first.  coppola made it about ten years ago.  do you want to hear the plot synopsis?  The true story of a dreamer shortly after WWII who tries to invent a better car but is crushed by corporate a-holes.  does that sound anything like the movie you just saw?  naah, but you wouldnt want to actually watch it first though to know what you are talking about.  and its arguable how far beneath scorsese Francis Ford Coppola is.  i said a DASH of beautiful mind, i never said he was inspired by those films i was just noticing a similarity in the delusions and paranoia of the main character.  
Quote from: samsong
this is modage we're talking about...

i'm really not sure where this came from, but i already have a nemesis so you're going to have to find somebody else.


To your first point... I wasn't trying to funny.

To your second point... touche, I can admit a defeat. But, my comment about Tucker being beneath Scorsese was strictly based on its horrible subtitle, not the content or its director.

To your third point... well now you have two.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Sleuth on December 27, 2004, 03:36:52 PM
So much rivalry here, it's like the Aviator
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Post by: MacGuffin on December 27, 2004, 05:54:41 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
coppola made it about ten years ago.  do you want to hear the plot synopsis?  The true story of a dreamer shortly after WWII who tries to invent a better car but is crushed by corporate a-holes.  does that sound anything like the movie you just saw?


I think you missed the obvious. In Coppola's film, he draws comparisons between the two men in a scene where Tucker actually meets with Hughes in the Spruce Goose hangar to discuss where to get metal to build the cars.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Gamblour. on December 27, 2004, 06:53:22 PM
For some reason, the grass and beet field were blue in the theater I saw this at. Anyone know why it would be missing the color yellow?
Title: The Aviator
Post by: El Duderino on December 28, 2004, 01:28:04 PM
great great movie. i honestly believe that the best actor nod is between Leo and Jamie Foxx. Scorcese may finally get it too.
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Post by: SHAFTR on December 28, 2004, 05:59:05 PM
I loved this, seriously considering putting it in my top 5 Scorsese films.
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Post by: soixante on December 29, 2004, 01:16:30 AM
Just saw it -- Scorsese's best since Casino.  It was the ideal combination of standard Hollywood biopic structure with Scorsese's unique stylistic flourishes.  

Leo returns to the rawness of his pre-Titanic films like Basketball Diaries and Total Eclipse.  Alan Alda, Alec Baldwin, John C. Reilly and Cate Blanchett were all top-notch.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: soixante on December 29, 2004, 05:13:28 PM
More thoughts on The Aviator --

Oddly enough, the Scorsese film this most reminds me of is Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore.  On both films, Scorsese was a hired gun.  Neither film started as a personal project for Scorsese.  Both films are traditional genre pieces, and yet he managed to bring his personal stamp to both.  Both films feature a bravura lead performance featuring lots of emotional ups and downs (as opposed to Leo's taciturnity in Gangs of NY).

Comparing Gangs to Aviator, I think Gangs was an interesting attempt by Scorsese to try something utterly different, and now seems like a dry run for the historical epic he has created with The Aviator.  The problem with Gangs is the lead character is rather a cipher, a guy seeking revenge, and not much more, whereas Howard Hughes is an endlessly fascinating, larger than life personage.  The sprawl of Gangs has been replaced by a more focused, disciplined approach in the new film.  In sum, The Aviator succeeds as a character study, a historical epic, a mainstream Hollywood film, Mirimax Oscar bait and a Scorsese film.

One other note -- Aviator finally allows Scorsese to make a movie about the Old Hollywood that he knows and loves, so his passion for the subject matter propels the entire project.

Drawback -- the special effects sometimes look fake, but that didn't bother me too much, as the film is so stylized that it sort of works.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Kal on December 30, 2004, 12:48:26 AM
Loved it. Di Caprio was fenomenal. The music was great. The 3 hours went by and I didnt even realize...

I was hoping for Johnny Depp's Oscar this year, but I must say I would love Leo to get it... he was brillant.

It should be Scorsese's year as well... but I havent seen the new Clint Eastwood movie yet... we'll see
Title: The Aviator
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on January 01, 2005, 08:36:19 PM
This film is amazing.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Gold Trumpet on January 01, 2005, 09:46:59 PM
I loved this film, but I was trying to think what really was Scorsese's accomplishment. He managed to use his filmmaking majesty to pull out tricks he hadn't used since Raging Bull and then choreograph a story that was as big and as fun as Casino. Thing is, Casino was a version of Goodfellas but the difference being that Scorsese was extending his talent to prove he could make a Hollywood epic as good as anyone. He did that, but I felt less of Scorsese in that film. Not his filmmaking talents, but the personality of self he managed to bleed through every topic he touched. With the Aviator, he feels nonexistent. The film really is dedicated to its subject and as talk before hand of another Howard Hughes film being made with Nolan and Carrey, I'll say Scorsese made the defining Howard Hughes film. He managed to correlate his innovations in aviation with his deteriotian of self. I guess Nolan was just going to focus on the deteriotiation and obviously that wouldn't have defined Hughes at all. He was too interesting and prominent for that. Nolan would have just been competing against every other film dedicated to obcessive complusiveness in man and asking for an impossible task. Scorsese was a director for hire, yes, but had a great achievement in really speaking about Howard Huges.
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Post by: eward on January 02, 2005, 12:47:08 AM
if anything, this film shows that marty could make a good movie even in a state of comatose.  on the whole, this is not a great picture.  but there are so many damn scorsese masterstrokes in it (SPOILERS the last appearance of katherine hepburn, hughes teenage lovers' psychotic episode, the final shot) that it comes close to greatness more than once.  in the end, however, there are too many elements of the script that are a bit too hollywood and that is, i think, what keeps it from greatness.  this goes down (for me at least) with films like after hours, color of money, cape fear, gangs - they all show scorsese effortlessly in command of his technique, with his eyes and brain going 100%...but his heart only 50 or so.

i don't like to do this but if i had to grade it i'd probably give it a B+ or
****  out of *****.

so, scorsese has proven that he can do hollywood just as good and probably better than most directors - i think it's time for him to get back to the mean streets.  that's what i wanna see, at least.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: soixante on January 02, 2005, 03:34:30 AM
I think Scorsese has done enough gangster movies -- he needs to branch out, and he has tried to do something different in Age of Innocence, Cape Fear, even Michael Jackson's Bad -- this time, he has finally hit a nice groove.

The Aviator is a conventional Hollywood film, and Scorsese has forced himself to work within the confines therein.  Unlimited freedom can squash creativity more often than onerous restrictions, and the parameters of the biopic have forced Scorsese to make his most disciplined film in years.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on January 02, 2005, 10:00:37 AM
I was willing to look past the film's more Hollywood qualities because I liked it so much. I don't know - it really hit home.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: eward on January 02, 2005, 11:19:03 AM
Quote from: soixante
I think Scorsese has done enough gangster movies


when i say mean streets, though, i don't mean gangster flicks, i mean lower-budget personal labors of love...and may i say that in my opinion age of innocence was his absolute best "departure"....no, no, actually, strike that, last temptation was with age of innocence trailing closely behind.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Gold Trumpet on January 02, 2005, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: eward
Quote from: soixante
I think Scorsese has done enough gangster movies


when i say mean streets, though, i don't mean gangster flicks, i mean lower-budget personal labors of love...and may i say that in my opinion age of innocence was his absolute best "departure"....no, no, actually, strike that, last temptation was with age of innocence trailing closely behind.


Scorsese doesn't have to go gangster to get personal. Last Temptation of Christ, Taxi Driver and Raging Bull all felt very personal to Scorsese and if you look at the surface details of those subjects, one would second guess that. Scorsese transformed each subject to involve a running theme he's had and filmed each with such naked aggression that it could only be felt as an extension of his own pain. The Aviator is the classiest film he's done yet save for instance The Age of Innocence. I would love for Scorsese to go low budget again and I guess he's doing that for Infernal Affairs, but it being a cop film set in Boston, will Scorsese be able to make it a film important for himself?
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Pozer on January 02, 2005, 12:49:46 PM
I don't know but first and foremost, he's gotta change that title.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: soixante on January 02, 2005, 01:14:00 PM
I think Infernal Affairs will be called The Departed.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: eward on January 02, 2005, 05:24:25 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Quote from: eward
Quote from: soixante
I think Scorsese has done enough gangster movies


when i say mean streets, though, i don't mean gangster flicks, i mean lower-budget personal labors of love...and may i say that in my opinion age of innocence was his absolute best "departure"....no, no, actually, strike that, last temptation was with age of innocence trailing closely behind.


Scorsese doesn't have to go gangster to get personal.


right, that's what i was saying.  but by saying departure, i mean just basically his period pieces and non-new york films.  so i guess departure was the wrong word.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: SiliasRuby on January 04, 2005, 01:36:14 AM
I don't know why it has taken me so long to post about this film. I saw it on Christmas day, my dad (who loves planes and flying) saw it together right after we opened presents and got back just in time for the christmas feast. Anyway, to reiterate what basically everyone has said "what a wonderful film", it was just as I like to say "an orgasm for the eyes". It seriously took my breath away and I wouldn't mind seeing it again right away. Anyway, if anyone one this site hasn't seen it yet, what are you waiting for, slap down your ten bucks and see this flick, it's well worth your time.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Redlum on January 08, 2005, 05:25:54 AM
*Spoilerish*

This film is damn amazing. I just loved it. The start was just so much fun. From a filmmaking perspective - watching Hughes direct Hells Angels from the sky and having to go hand-held after a plane smashes off the mounted camera, was a great buzz.
I think that was probably the scariest plane crash I've seen on film, too.

And just generally, I could see and feel the Scorcese class up there all the time.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: cron on January 29, 2005, 09:24:35 PM
Quote from: Gamblor not so gone.
For some reason, the grass and beet field were blue in the theater I saw this at. Anyone know why it would be missing the color yellow?


could be this,   from imdb trivia:

Scorsese designed each year in the film to look just the way a color film from that time period would look. Achieved mainly through digitally enhanced postproduction, Scorsese recreated the look of Cinecolor and two-strip Technicolor. Watch in particular for the scene where Hughes meets Errol Flynn in the club. Hughes is served precisely placed peas on a plate, and they appear blue or turquoise
just as they'd have looked in the primitive two-strip Technicolor process. As Hughes ages throughout the film, the color gets more sophisticated and full-bodied.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Gold Trumpet on February 02, 2005, 02:04:29 AM
notes from a third viewing:

When I saw this movie the first time, it was the very first "important" film I had seen all season and I immensely enjoyed it. I didn't write a review after the first viewing. My review came after the second viewing which happened a week later. After having now gone mostly through the array of films to be seen, I was shocked how well this film held up for a third viewing tonight.

I've read every good criticism against the film. The most striking of them says how uneven the story is factually and also how wrong too. Though I believe fiction films are allowed the same artistic license given to Shakespeare, I didn't believe this Scorsese film had to own up to the same internal truths a work as serious as his would. The feeling at the end of the film was really how manufactured the film was. It tried as every drama to move the audience, but this film also tries just as hard to entertain. What is offered is that all-great-entertainment vehicle that can lay jokes right next to tramautic situations and string along the audience to every cue it wants to hit. This is not even an attempt to demote the film because this really may be Scorsese's best film of the type. After Hours and King of Comedy strike me as true comparison films. Certain other films, maybe. With After Hours, I can at least enjoy it while King of Comedy will always remain the 15 minute film on paper with nowhere to go that was interesting afterwards. The Aviator is the complete film. Scorsese was director for hire and pulled out a lot of tricks, but he made the best film he could for the genre and now should really move on. I still don't think he's done his best work for the dramatic yet. Raging Bull and Last Temptation come really close though.....

The other criticism out there is against the acting. For me, Leonardo DiCaprio, though energetic for the first half of the film, now never really seems to occupy Hughes until after the major crash. When I first watched it, I could always see and hear Leonardo DiCaprio with his performance but yet I was so entertained by his energy that my criticisms never became razor sharp til later on as his character decesended into the abyss. He really had to change himself for Hughes' descent physically, but I also feel he got all the smaller details of Hughes right finally. DiCaprio finally brought a dark mysteriousness to his portrayal of Hughes that was nowhere to be found for the first half of the film. As DiCaprio strolled down red carpet with Stefani there never was a sense of the look that Hughes gave off in pictures when he was younger. Hughes was distinctly attractive for his times. DiCaprio was distinctly attractive along with the times. Also, for Cate Blanchett, the criticism is that she "imitates" Katherine Hepburn instead of play her. I think I may have to agree. During her and Hughes golf game, her over zealousness of every physical attribute we know Katherine Hepburn to have well really seems to border on the comedic the more I think about it. As the film goes on, she starts to control it better, but yet, it has the stench of trying too hard to memorize someone's body movements and accent than to really penetrate her personality. Her final scene, outside the home theater, is a good scene because she plays Katherine in a way no television interview could have outlined.

Finally, most interesting for me, is that during the wrap party for Hell's Angels as the camera pans across the room with the radio announcer being heard alongside the people's voices, someone distinctly says "Louise Brooks". It caught me off guard. I had no chance to see if an actress was playing her in the background. It really just gives me a reason to see this film a fourth time.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Alexandro on February 02, 2005, 02:13:37 AM
Beautiful film. Funny, fantasy-like recreation, just like Howard Hughes himself would have made it: big, sumptuos and dark.

The more I think about it the more I like it. It's supposedly "all glitz" approach it's just a cover for the disturbing Scorsese way of viewing life. Hughes is unbeatable, has an unstopable will, and will do anything to get things done, but at the same time, his own fixation with everything being perfect will be his downhill.

Terrific ending. It's very powerful emotionally. I don't get all these absurd "the movie has no heart" comments. Just because Scorsese would never dream of making a tear jerker movie (he's not an easy way out  filmmaker) doesn't mean this movie is not emotional.

And who gives a shit if Di Caprio doesn't look like the real Hughes when he gives such a great performance, I mean really, that's an actor doing his homework.

Scorsese may or may not win the oscar for this movie, but the sure thing is that The Aviator, as pretty much all the other Scorsese films, will be a classic at some point. Who really loves Rocky at this point? Who really loves Ordinary People? Who can tell me that Dances with Wolves is a film you wanna go back to all the time like Good Fellas?

Shit, is Babe, or Apollo 13, or Il Postino, or even Leaving Las Vegas, as present in anyone's film memory as Casino??

Only two years have passed...don't you think that Gangs of New York is much more alive than The Pianist at this point???

Marty always wins...
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Alexandro on February 02, 2005, 02:21:19 AM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
notes from a third viewing:


Also, for Cate Blanchett, the criticism is that she "imitates" Katherine Hepburn instead of play her. I think I may have to agree. During her and Hughes golf game, her over zealousness of every physical attribute we know Katherine Hepburn to have well really seems to border on the comedic the more I think about it. As the film goes on, she starts to control it better, but yet, it has the stench of trying too hard to memorize someone's body movements and accent than to really penetrate her personality. Her final scene, outside the home theater, is a good scene because she plays Katherine in a way no television interview could have outlined.
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I thought the point of the golf scenes were to feel and look like 30's screwball comedies...hence the kind of over acting, they even move weirdly, but I don't know if this has to do with the speed that they shot in or what...

Anyway, the whole film is this big Hollywood fantasy. I'm amazed at how people complain about the lack of realism when that's obviolusly not the aim here. All the dark notes, however, is Scorsese's way to make a conterpoint with the nice stuff happening in the character's life. Shit, this movie rules.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Gold Trumpet on February 02, 2005, 02:30:11 AM
Quote from: Alexandro
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
notes from a third viewing:


Also, for Cate Blanchett, the criticism is that she "imitates" Katherine Hepburn instead of play her. I think I may have to agree. During her and Hughes golf game, her over zealousness of every physical attribute we know Katherine Hepburn to have well really seems to border on the comedic the more I think about it. As the film goes on, she starts to control it better, but yet, it has the stench of trying too hard to memorize someone's body movements and accent than to really penetrate her personality. Her final scene, outside the home theater, is a good scene because she plays Katherine in a way no television interview could have outlined.
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I thought the point of the golf scenes were to feel and look like 30's screwball comedies...hence the kind of over acting, they even move weirdly, but I don't know if this has to do with the speed that they shot in or what....


Interesting point, but if true, then why was Hughes' character kept the same for that scene? And is there much difference between the energy of Hepburn at the golf course and at her family's estate? I don't think so. I agree with you the scene had that feel but yet I think it wasn't trying to achieve that with just the performances and more the situation and jokes.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Alexandro on February 02, 2005, 11:31:32 AM
Yes, you're right, I noticed that about Di Caprio being the same in those scenes, but I don't know, I would have to see it again, which I will.

However about Blanchet I disagree. Maybe it's because I'm not that familiar with Hepburn mannerisms, but to me, within the context of the film she was a believeable character, who tended to overact all the time, but she felt real for me.

This film is constantly reminding people they're watching 'a movie', so i think is kind of pointless to compare the events in the film to reality. It's obviously a Hollywood movie, and as they say, if people want the facts they can go to a library.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: ono on February 02, 2005, 04:14:45 PM
Someone on IMDb is reporting either an April 26th or May 24th release date for the DVD, depending of it is delayed for a prolonged theatrical release due to the Oscars.
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Post by: Kal on February 03, 2005, 02:18:42 PM
I just saw this again yesterday and I loved it even more... the acting of Di Caprio, but also John C Reilly and everyone around the guy and their reactions to his crazy comments and ideas... Scorsese is a genius and I really hope he wins it this year
Title: The Aviator
Post by: rustinglass on February 05, 2005, 06:16:07 AM
okay. it really sucks when a film is distributed in portugal so much later than in america. I really can't read all of what was written here, so I don't want to repeat too many things so I'll keep this brief:
- I loved it.
- Only now do i realize that that simpsons episode in which Mr Burns goes a little crazy and walks around with model planes and kleenex boxes for shoes is actually a reference to hughes.
- It's great nowadays, the Hercules C130 plays a major role in humanitary aid.
- Scorsese gets only one chance to really throw blood at the audience, and boy, does he take it...
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on February 06, 2005, 10:18:32 PM
1. I almost want Million Dollar Baby to come out ahead of The Aviator, if only because this movie so desperately wants to be a great Oscar-winning bio-epic.

2. This is an impatient movie. There's too much editing (I don't need to see four angles of every conversation). If that's supposed to be a figurative reflection of Hughes' own personality, it doesn't work, because the very moments when it slows down to self-consciously examine Hughes' personality are boring in comparison, not to mention heavy-handed. There's no mystery.

3. Because of the above mentioned heavy-handedness and self-consciousness, I felt almost entirely emotionally detached from the whole movie.

4. Cate Blanchett was horrifyingly bad. That was the most obnoxious thing I've seen in a long time.

5. The acting was good (except the above mentioned), especially DiCaprio. I think the problem is with the writing.

6. The plane crash scene was wonderful. As was the first red carpet scene.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: cowboykurtis on February 06, 2005, 10:25:23 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
1. I almost want Million Dollar Baby to come out ahead of The Aviator, if only because this movie so desperately wants to be a great Oscar-winning bio-epic.

2. This is an impatient movie. There's too much editing (I don't need to see four angles of every conversation). If that's supposed to be a figurative reflection of Hughes' own personality, it doesn't work, because the very moments when it slows down to self-consciously examine Hughes' personality are boring in comparison, not to mention heavy-handed. There's no mystery.

3. Because of the above mentioned heavy-handedness and self-consciousness, I felt almost entirely emotionally detached from the whole movie.

4. Cate Blanchett was horrifyingly bad. That was the most obnoxious thing I've seen in a long time.

5. The acting was good (except the above mentioned), especially DiCaprio. I think the problem is with the writing.

6. The plane crash scene was wonderful. As was the first red carpet scene.


you're correct on number 6
Title: The Aviator
Post by: modage on February 06, 2005, 11:29:32 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
I felt almost entirely emotionally detached from the whole movie. The acting was good (except the above mentioned), especially DiCaprio. I think the problem is with the writing.

i felt sort of emotionally detached as well, but thought the acting was great all around, so i have to blame the writing for not showing you enough of what made hughes tick and thats my only real problem with the film which i otherwise really liked.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Alexandro on February 07, 2005, 03:59:44 AM
I fetl emotionally dettached in The Aviator, like looking in from the outside or something. I felt the same with Taxu Driver, Raging Bull, Casino, Good Fellas, Last Temptation and every other Scorsese film, which hasn't kept me from enjoying them...but I don't mind the "impatience", or the constant camera movements...I find that to be extremely cool.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: rustinglass on February 07, 2005, 04:59:47 AM
I really didn't mind Cate Blanchett's overacting, I thought it was really funny and didn't feel obnoxious to me at all. goooolly!

The plane crash scene beats the shit out of cast away. All the flying scenes are beautiful!
Title: The Aviator
Post by: cine on February 07, 2005, 05:05:14 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
4. Cate Blanchett was horrifyingly bad. That was the most obnoxious thing I've seen in a long time.

JB, let me know when you've seen a Katharine Hepburn interview/film/anything that could give you the slightest idea on who she is.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: modage on February 07, 2005, 09:33:17 AM
yeah, i thought she did about as good a job as could be done within the script capturing hepburn.  jb, have you seen much katherine hepburn?
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on February 07, 2005, 10:25:31 AM
Okay, I haven't seen an entire Katharine Hepburn movie, but I've seen enough to know there's some element of likeability there that's totally absent from Cate Blanchett's character. I've also heard from trustworthy [older] sources that it was a crude impersonation.

And the chemistry between her and DiCaprio didn't work for me at all, maybe because they're both doing impersonations of extreme people.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: RegularKarate on February 07, 2005, 01:34:40 PM
JB, I think you're so wrong there.

You go right now and watch The Philadelphia Story and pay attention to the chemistry between her and Stewart during the "drunk scene".  It's amazing and hot...it's reflected quite well in the flying scene in the Aviator... it's so classy and sexy all at once.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: xerxes on February 12, 2005, 06:36:50 PM
i enjoyed it quite a bit.

the crash scene was really amazing (as many people have said before)

and rufus wainwright was a nice little surprise.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: ©brad on February 12, 2005, 06:53:09 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
JB, I think you're so wrong there.

You go right now and watch The Philadelphia Story and pay attention to the chemistry between her and Stewart during the "drunk scene".  It's amazing and hot...it's reflected quite well in the flying scene in the Aviator... it's so classy and sexy all at once.


jeremiah i must agree with regkar here.

cate blanchett overacting? overacting isn't even an issue here. she nailed the part, almost too well, because at times she upstages everyone else in the movie.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: MacGuffin on February 19, 2005, 01:27:40 AM
Quote from: ono mo cuishle
Someone on IMDb is reporting either an April 26th or May 24th release date for the DVD, depending of it is delayed for a prolonged theatrical release due to the Oscars.


From The Digital Bits:

Best Picture front runner The Aviator is expected to be announced by Warner Bros. for DVD release on 5/24.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on February 27, 2005, 09:38:46 PM
I probably haven't seen enough Catherine Hepburn to appreciate her "charm." Cause I saw nothing charming in that performance.

So I guess that means Cate Blanchett didn't do a very good job of "channelling" Catherine Hepburn, at least not enough for an ignorant audience to understand.

Maybe I just don't like Catherine Hepburn.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: cine on February 27, 2005, 09:41:08 PM
that post didn't make sense..
Title: The Aviator
Post by: kotte on March 03, 2005, 07:13:45 AM
Quote from: flagpolespecial
cate blanchett was so good in this movie she made me want to cry.

she was adorable, sexy, romantic and outdoorsy.


:)

It should be sexy or outdoorsy...I don't think they fit well together.
The golf sequence, she was outdoorsy but sexy??
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Pwaybloe on March 03, 2005, 09:10:01 AM
Well, yeah.  She sweats.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: modage on March 15, 2005, 09:23:43 PM
Title: The Aviator
Released: 24th May 2005
SRP: $29.95

Further Details
Warner has just this minute announced a two-disc special edition of The Aviator which stars Leonardo Di Caprio, Cate Blanchett and Kate Beckinsale. The film will be available to own from the 24th May this year, and should retail at around $29.95. The film will be presented in 2.40:1 anamorphic widescreen along with both English and French Dolby Digital 5.1 tracks. Extras will include an audio commentary by director Martin Scorsese, a deleted scene in which Howard tells Ava about his car accident, a fourty-five minute documentary entitled Modern Marvels: Howard Hughes, A Life Without Limits: The Making of The Aviator featurette, a Role Of Howard Hughes In Aviation History featurette, an evening with Leonardo DiCaprio and Alan Alda feature and an Affliction of Howard Hughes: Obsessive Compulsive Disorder featurette. Completing the package will be an OCD Panel Discussion With Leonardo DiCaprio, Martin Scorsese, And Howard Hughes' Widow Terry Moore, two behind the scenes featurettes on the hair, makeup and visual effects of the film and a photo gallery.  You can see the artwork at this link: http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=1&c=6143&n=1&burl=
Title: The Aviator
Post by: eward on March 15, 2005, 11:39:37 PM
didn't know where the fuck to put this and didn't wanna start a new thread, so here's a nice little interview with scorsese and howard shore talking about opera...

http://www.operainfo.org/intermissions/intermissionFeaturesDetails.cgi?id=47&language=1&month=02&year=2005&int_page_id=253
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Ravi on March 16, 2005, 01:20:51 AM
Quote from: themodernage02
Aviator artwork at this link: http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=1&c=6143&n=1&burl=


"Giant Leonardo head is chasing us!"
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on March 16, 2005, 01:29:10 AM
http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=1180
Title: The Aviator
Post by: SiliasRuby on May 26, 2005, 02:22:34 PM
The 2nd disc has some fantastic extras, very insiteful. The commentary is pretty nice. Interesting tidbit that I didn't know was that Leo was completelly committed to the very end even up to post production.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: jtm on May 26, 2005, 03:31:13 PM
why are the greens blue?
Title: The Aviator
Post by: cowboykurtis on May 26, 2005, 03:50:25 PM
i think this plays drastically better on the big screen
Title: The Aviator
Post by: jtm on May 26, 2005, 03:54:04 PM
Quote from: cowboykurtis
i think this plays drastically better on the big screen


i had the same impression after watching the DVD.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Ultrahip on May 30, 2005, 06:44:19 PM
it absolutely plays better on the big screen, but i think it's still great. and i'm pretty sure that the greens are blue because it was shot in two-tone technicolor (up until hepburn estate, anyway) but I may be mistaken.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: MacGuffin on May 30, 2005, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: Jay Tee Em
why are the greens blue?


Quote from: Ultrahip
i'm pretty sure that the greens are blue because it was shot in two-tone technicolor (up until hepburn estate, anyway) but I may be mistaken.


Quote from: On Page 18, cronopio
Quote from: Gamblor not so gone.
For some reason, the grass and beet field were blue in the theater I saw this at. Anyone know why it would be missing the color yellow?


could be this,   from imdb trivia:

Scorsese designed each year in the film to look just the way a color film from that time period would look. Achieved mainly through digitally enhanced postproduction, Scorsese recreated the look of Cinecolor and two-strip Technicolor. Watch in particular for the scene where Hughes meets Errol Flynn in the club. Hughes is served precisely placed peas on a plate, and they appear blue or turquoise
just as they'd have looked in the primitive two-strip Technicolor process. As Hughes ages throughout the film, the color gets more sophisticated and full-bodied.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: jtm on May 30, 2005, 11:50:16 PM
:oops:  sorry, i missed that... i should prolly stop skimming over most posts.  it's gotten me in a lot of trouble lately.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: mogwai on June 04, 2005, 04:29:58 PM
i don't know if this has been brought up earlier in this thread. but i read this following post over at imdb's the aviator thread:

Hidden Skeleton In Courtroom Scene!
Quote from:  Investigator1937
It is exactly at 2:22:44. At the beginning of the trial, after he stands to take his oath. Slow that part down or go frame by frame until you get it. During the third camera flash, Howard Hughes' full body skeleton appears in the flash. You can see right through him!!! It's awesome! You can see it fully in only one frame, then it fades out in the next frame, then the fottage goes to black and white for about another two frames. It happens very fast when you are watching the film. You have to slow it down to see it! Don't worry. You'll see it!


i've tried to freeze frame a couple of times but i couldn't see anything. has anyone here who have the dvd noticed this? i really need to see a cap of it if anyone wants to post it. thanks.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: modage on June 04, 2005, 05:26:24 PM
i havent noticed, but it is obvious scorsese is paying tribute to Monster Squad where lightning flashes and you can see Dracula's skeleton for a frame or two.  he truly is a student of cinema.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: SoNowThen on June 04, 2005, 08:07:41 PM
Hehehe.


As to it playing better on the big screen, I dunno. I appreciated the lighting a lot more when I got to look at it on the tiny monitor in my living room. Marty's looking to be developing a bit of a different visual style, and he really got Richardson to go along with it on this one. I can see a clear link from Casino through Bringing Out The Dead, but this one is quite different (probably mostly because of the period and physical setting of the story and his ideas of mimicking those movies as mentioned previously, but still). Anyway, I enjoyed it even more in 'small'...
Title: The Aviator
Post by: cowboykurtis on June 04, 2005, 10:45:56 PM
re: the skeleton effect. i did notice this - however it is not a skeleton - the image just shifts to B&W for a frame after the flash.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: mogwai on June 05, 2005, 07:25:13 AM
someone over at imdb posted this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/spud1990/aviator.jpg)
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Pubrick on June 05, 2005, 07:55:32 AM
just look for the flesh-covered skeleton.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: cowboykurtis on June 05, 2005, 01:41:46 PM
well i'll be damned
Title: The Aviator
Post by: MacGuffin on June 05, 2005, 02:25:24 PM
Quote from: mogwai
i've tried to freeze frame a couple of times but i couldn't see anything. has anyone here who have the dvd noticed this? i really need to see a cap of it if anyone wants to post it. thanks.


I went frame-by-frame and it's definitely there, but it's at 2:22:45. The frame right before the one posted is a more extreme "x-ray" as the flash bulb goes off. It lasts for five frames before resuming color.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Fernando on June 08, 2005, 02:09:28 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin

I went frame-by-frame and it's definitely there, but it's at 2:22:45. The frame right before the one posted is a more extreme "x-ray" as the flash bulb goes off. It lasts for five frames before resuming color.


(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/fbv/caps/aviatorskeleton.jpg)
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Alexandro on July 04, 2005, 03:38:43 PM
no other filmmaker achieves the kind of coolness that the one contained in a hidden shot of a skeleton in the middle of an oscar bait biopic...this oozes coolness...

and i may be in the minority but i actually enjoyed the movie much more on dvd for some reason...it looks so....clean...
Title: The Aviator
Post by: JG on August 08, 2005, 11:36:01 PM
I enjoyed the movie more the second time, on DVD, but mostly cause i think this movie has great replay value.  the first time i didn't know what to think, but this is my favorite scorsese picture since goodfellas ( edging out bringing out the dead).  

and i did see the skeleton...its pretty easy if you just FF at 1/4 time.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: jigzaw on September 22, 2005, 03:35:35 PM
Though a good movie, Million Dollar Baby will be forgotten in a couple years as it is just a standard weepy movie.

The Aviator will join the ranks of the Academy's long list of missed opportunities (2001 losing to Oliver!, anyone?).
Title: The Aviator
Post by: soixante on September 23, 2005, 11:24:15 AM
2001 wasn't even nominated for Best Picture.
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Weird. Oh on October 06, 2005, 02:43:43 AM
I think the Aviator definitely has much more longevity than Million Dollar Baby. I, for one, think Mystic River is much better than Million Dollar Baby. Sure it was a nice film, but does it really add anything to the spectrum of film making as a whole?
Title: The Aviator
Post by: hedwig on October 06, 2005, 03:09:17 PM
Quote from: The Scat Revision
the spectrum of film making as a whole


what the sweet, wet, dripping fuck does that mean?
Title: The Aviator
Post by: eward on October 06, 2005, 07:02:14 PM
and does it matter anyway?
Title: The Aviator
Post by: Pubrick on October 07, 2005, 12:58:54 AM
Quote from: Hedwig
Quote from: The Scat Revision
the spectrum of film making as a whole


what the sweet, wet, dripping fuck does that mean?

i would also like to know..

and please, use the words "pro-active" and "paradigm" in ur answer.
Title: Re: The Aviator
Post by: RegularKarate on April 08, 2007, 12:39:22 AM
I agree with whatever jigzaw zaid.