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Paul Thomas Anderson / Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
« Last post by Drill on January 17, 2020, 05:55:55 PM »
That's his life and reality and that's what he says he supposedly always writes about...

And to whomever said because this film takes place in the '70s that it's more realistic for the lead to be white, wasn't Gary Coleman arguably the most famous child/teen TV star of the late '70s?

But yes, it's just speculation right now. I hope I'm wrong!
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Paul Thomas Anderson / Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
« Last post by WorldForgot on January 17, 2020, 05:45:13 PM »
Having 3 1/4 black daughters hasn't really inspired him at all?

This is why I feel it's baseless and sensationalized. Reductive identity politic, especially when you frame it like this. Race and artist as commodity, rather than as people creating art.

(Anyway, there's no reason to expect there won't be more "POC" as you put it in his next film. We're only speaking about this framework because you positioned it as a white-male-boy's story, which iz speculation until we've seen the cast/film.)
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Paul Thomas Anderson / Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
« Last post by jenkins on January 17, 2020, 05:42:07 PM »
Writing about race doesn't and shouldn't be the only reason to think to include more POC. Their race doesn't have to even ever be mentioned. There was no reason for every main character in Magnolia to be white. And while I don't think this, the constant period pieces could be construed as a convenient excuse to have only white leads.

It's not being "woke" to point it out and question it. It's more a larger point about his apparently limited worldview. Having 3 1/4 black daughters hasn't really inspired him at all? Tarantino is by no means my favorite, but he certainly puts PTA and most of their peers to shame in that department (and with female characters, but I went through that in the Magnolia thread).

It's a pretty major blind spot on his career, which has been great but could be significantly greater. He's mastered tackling masculinity, at this point more would feel like he's playing it safe. It feels like as much as he's done, he could do so much more, so it would be disappointing if he chooses to stick with what he knows.

i got really into that
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Paul Thomas Anderson / Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
« Last post by Drill on January 17, 2020, 05:30:38 PM »
Writing about race doesn't and shouldn't be the only reason to think to include more POC. Their race doesn't have to even ever be mentioned. There was no reason for every main character in Magnolia to be white. And while I don't think this, the constant period pieces could be construed as a convenient excuse to have only white leads.

It's not being "woke" to point it out and question it. It's more a larger point about his apparently limited worldview. Having 3 1/4 black daughters hasn't really inspired him at all? Tarantino is by no means my favorite, but he certainly puts PTA and most of their peers to shame in that department (and with female characters, but I went through that in the Magnolia thread).

It's a pretty major blind spot on his career, which has been great but could be significantly greater. He's mastered tackling masculinity, at this point more would feel like he's playing it safe. It feels like as much as he's done, he could do so much more, so it would be disappointing if he chooses to stick with what he knows.
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Paul Thomas Anderson / Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
« Last post by WorldForgot on January 17, 2020, 03:12:43 PM »
the concept of being woke is not a socially progressive concept itself. it’s just a term meant to motivate the backwards types

there’s no right way to do things, you’re just a good person or you’re not

This is absolutely true, but it has become something that is used a definitive standard for judging artists and their art, especially in the film industry and in film media. It’s always gonna get brought up and discussed, especially with the kind of throwback alpha auteur that PTA is. That’s his brand and that’s the niche he occupies. That’s why we love him. But it’s something inescapable these days. It happened with Tarantino, it happened with Scorsese, it happened with Wes Anderson, and it even somehow happened with Greta Gerwig.

I mean, this is as PTA-friendly as any place on the internet, and we’re already discussing it within that framework.

It's not a definitive standard, though, it's just a form of critique or op-ed that receives clicks because it's sensational, and a form that's existed for directors/writers before him, too. De Palma was derided as a misogynist because it was easier to write the outrage piece than a nuanced Pauline Kael consideration. It holds no basis in regards to judging PTA, and as far as I can tell doesn't affect public opinion toward Wes Anderson or Greta Gerwig at all. Because as Drenk mentioned, they aren't writing about race.

Tyler Perry gets as much criticism as Tarantino or Scorsese for his race and gender roles, but really, these articles or critiques don't affect any of them because (under our neolib status quo) their market is secured.
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Paul Thomas Anderson / Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
« Last post by Pringle on January 17, 2020, 02:51:03 PM »
the concept of being woke is not a socially progressive concept itself. itís just a term meant to motivate the backwards types

thereís no right way to do things, youíre just a good person or youíre not

This is absolutely true, but it has become something that is used a definitive standard for judging artists and their art, especially in the film industry and in film media. Itís always gonna get brought up and discussed, especially with the kind of throwback alpha auteur that PTA is. Thatís his brand and thatís the niche he occupies. Thatís why we love him. But itís something inescapable these days. It happened with Tarantino, it happened with Scorsese, it happened with Wes Anderson, and it even somehow happened with Greta Gerwig.

I mean, this is as PTA-friendly as any place on the internet, and weíre already discussing it within that framework.
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Paul Thomas Anderson / Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
« Last post by jenkins on January 17, 2020, 01:41:20 PM »
the concept of being woke is not a socially progressive concept itself. itís just a term meant to motivate the backwards types

thereís no right way to do things, youíre just a good person or youíre not
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Paul Thomas Anderson / Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
« Last post by trytotell on January 17, 2020, 01:35:46 PM »
I really don't think he's working on anything with his daughter. He was just being cute.
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Paul Thomas Anderson / Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
« Last post by Pringle on January 17, 2020, 01:19:35 PM »
And I donít think we should rule out the possibility that this could be the project that PTA was talking about working on with his daughter. If thatís the case, he will be the wokest guy in film for the entire Oscar season.
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Paul Thomas Anderson / Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
« Last post by Pringle on January 17, 2020, 01:17:33 PM »
If youíre making a period-accurate film about the entertainment world in the 70s, and the lead is a successful teenage kid, youíre casting a white kid. Itís harsh, but true. It would be a lie to pretend that people of color had the same opportunities as white people did in that world.