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The Small Screen / Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
« Last post by Drenk on May 13, 2019, 01:43:03 PM »
Wow, I see a lot crazy Dany stans—you know, those who act as if she's real— saying: Well, they were not really innocent people. Love is powerful would say one of the wives in Leaving Neverland.
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The Director's Chair / Re: Robert Altman
« Last post by WorldForgot on May 13, 2019, 12:54:37 PM »
You people are insane, Short Cuts is a classic! A celebration of life.

It's as intricate as BEE'z Rules of Attraction or Less Than Zero in the dimensionz you get for compassion corroded.
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The Small Screen / Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
« Last post by Drenk on May 13, 2019, 11:34:43 AM »
Daenerys could have taken the throne and executed Jon and Tyrion. And then let Sansa/Bran/Arya *do* something. Jon has been such a dumbass that I don't want him to be the hero of anything.
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The Small Screen / Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
« Last post by Sleepless on May 13, 2019, 09:19:49 AM »
I liked the episode. I could nitpick, sure, but the faults were faults GOT has always had. Finally we get some significant deaths. I still wish that the battle against the NK had been more significant than it was, I think the whole "Scouring of the Shire" phase that's these final three episodes would have taken on a greater weight. But yeah, the show is continuing to do what it does best and worst, so at least it's consistent. The scenes with Arya on the ground as the city is destroyed around here were amazing. Like the very best of LOTR/Hobbit and Saving Private Ryan. There were a few moments where I legit thought she was a goner. Absolutely studding work. Was it just me, or did there seem to be some 9/11 references throughout? And hey, at least we could actually see everything this episode.

Other thoughts...

It was indeed a bit much. But I think she wants this victory to be so decisive, and she wants to be feared, and she wants this moment in history to never be forgotten.

Probably the best explanation. We all knew she was going to do what she did, but the timing of it was the surprise. She's the ultimate big bad now.

As a Cersei fan, this season has been really disappointing. She just hasn't had any great scenes and was absent two whole episodes. I was really hoping she'd get at least one more major victory before the inevitable, but it seems that was given over to Euron. Interestingly, it wasn't her reunion with Jamie or their shared death that really stood out to me, it was the part right before they reunited when she walked alone across the map room. Heavily reminiscent of her walk of shame, absolutely vulnerable, yet determined to keep her head up high.

All the talk of poor battle strategy had that on my mind going in, especially when they're all standing outside the gates staring down the queen's guard. That moment when the dragon blasts through the wall was at once wonderful and terrible; the overall outcome of the episode in a single beat.

The fight between the Hound and the Mountain looked really cheap. I guess they blew their budget on the Arya scenes. Not complaining, but still.

I haven't ready any of the books yet, but this season really makes me want to. Hopefully GRRM manages to complete the series before he dies, because I'd really like to see this whole story told better than I feel the show is managing to.
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The Small Screen / Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
« Last post by polkablues on May 13, 2019, 02:02:11 AM »
I have no idea how Arya plays into this, but it seems unlikely that they'll have her emerge from the shadows again. I suppose she could wear Greyworm's face. Really though, for this finale to have maximum power, I feel like it has to be Jon.

Let's not make too little of the fact that the last image the episode leaves us with is Arya riding on a pale horse.
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The Small Screen / Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
« Last post by Lottery on May 13, 2019, 01:51:51 AM »
Well, shock has been their special weapon for the entirety of the show. They wouldn't not make use of it now.


I like the Qyburn scene in this one. That was amusingly quick.


Spoiler: ShowHide
On a sadder note, I may have been spoiled by a moron presenting leaks as their 'theories'. I would like to say 'surely not, there must be more than this' but it seems pretty consistent with this episode. And ultimately, these might just be the critical end points of the books.
So if you're going to read some moron's 'final theory' about the show before next week's finale, maybe don't.
 
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The Small Screen / Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
« Last post by Jeremy Blackman on May 13, 2019, 01:25:06 AM »
Here's a very thoughtful article from Joanna Robinson, arguing that the show put a premium on shock value by withholding some book clues about where Daenerys was headed (which speaks directly to Drenk's point).

Personally I don't mind what they did, but I understand people who do.

Why That Daenerys Turn Feels Like Such a Betrayal
Did the show put too much of a premium on shock?
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The Small Screen / Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
« Last post by Jeremy Blackman on May 13, 2019, 01:06:43 AM »
It's complicated because in the books—so, in these clips adapted from the books—Daenerys is the character that burns King's Landing by pure spite, but the show in seasons 5 and 6 transformed her into a Good Compassionate Spirit who Cares about the People, and then in season 7 and 8 they gave clues for this "twist" but they never went far enough

I definitely sympathize with this point of view. But I think they played fair. I think having the love of the common folk was intoxicating for Daenerys. It was not her primary drive, to be clear, but it was a powerful intoxicant. Upon arriving in Westeros, that was just not a thing anymore. It was made abundantly clear to her that she could not win these people's hearts. I think she deeply believes in freeing slaves, but there are no slaves to free in Westeros. So she's left with her core drive: conquering for House Targaryen.

when Daenerys is ruthless it's because she's a conqueror, yes, she kills her enemies. But she's conquered in this episode when she decides to murder her people and destroy the legacy of her family by burning these towers.

It was indeed a bit much. But I think she wants this victory to be so decisive, and she wants to be feared, and she wants this moment in history to never be forgotten.

The opening scene with Daenerys berating Jaime rang just a bit false. Maybe it's being done as a political show, but she seems a little too sincere about things she doesn't really believe, as far as I know. Doesn't she actually believe Jaime was right to slay the mad king? Why does she cite her monstrous brother as a reference there? Daenerys has plenty of reason to distrust Jaime, of course, but I don't think that was expressed properly.

LOL. This is perfect. *chef's kiss*

It's almost like the mad king having gone mad was not Daenerys's primary concern.

In terms of predictions, think of it this way. How does one take down Daenerys, who has a loyal army of Unsullied and Dothraki... and a dragon? Solution: Bran wargs into the dragon and roasts the army. Jon, meanwhile, becomes the queenslayer.

(Who kills the dragon? Maybe Bronn!)

I have no idea how Arya plays into this, but it seems unlikely that they'll have her emerge from the shadows again. I suppose she could wear Greyworm's face. Really though, for this finale to have maximum power, I feel like it has to be Jon.
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The Small Screen / Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
« Last post by Drenk on May 13, 2019, 12:18:56 AM »
It's complicated because in the books—so, in these clips adapted from the books—Daenerys is the character that burns King's Landing by pure spite, but the show in seasons 5 and 6 transformed her into a Good Compassionate Spirit who Cares about the People, and then in season 7 and 8 they gave clues for this "twist" but they never went far enough: when Daenerys is ruthless it's because she's a conqueror, yes, she kills her enemies. But she's conquered in this episode when she decides to murder her people and destroy the legacy of her family by burning these towers.

This is definitely a weird situation. I can even imagine her saying next episode: "Sorry. Blood rushed to my head" since she was saying a few scenes earlier that mercy was their strength and that she wanted to get rid of tyrans—that's not a character deciding naturally that, for whatever reason, she has to burn everything, but a mess. Just a woman losing her mind.

Having Tyrion and Jon being morons doesn't help, too. What did Jon say this season except "I love you/She's my queen/and the new one: I don't want the throne"? Why does he love her that much, by the way?
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The Small Screen / Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
« Last post by polkablues on May 13, 2019, 12:08:07 AM »
Turns out Game of Thrones and Veep were telling the same story all along: nobody who actually wants to rule should ever be allowed to.