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This Year In Film / Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« Last post by Drenk on November 20, 2017, 12:07:39 PM »
Trying to give some chronology to what we are seeing. So: spoilers if you haven't watched them.

—Rey learns to do some shit. Luke is bored.
—Space battle between The Resistance and the First Order. Kylon Ren is conflicted.
—Some flash backs and revelations. (It occurs at different times in the movie.)
—Finn and Rey having some fun adventures in a casino (what I want to see the most).
—Rey is taken prisoner! Snoke is evil! Kylo Ren is still conflicted.
—Kylon Ren is good! But is he?!!!!!
—The battle with the red dust. Finn against Silver Stormtrooper—not than anyone cares but well it will create thousands of gifs.
—Some last twist.

I'm curious to revisit this once I have seen it.
Paul Thomas Anderson / Re: Phantom Thread
« Last post by wilberfan on November 20, 2017, 11:50:02 AM »
This Year In Film / Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« Last post by Jeremy Blackman on November 20, 2017, 11:48:37 AM »

This Year In Film / Re: Justice League
« Last post by Drenk on November 20, 2017, 11:31:43 AM »
I'm talking about Batman v Superman. Between the awkward scenes that were teasing Justice League and the nonsense about Superman being sad that he is saving the world or whatever (it's still better than his step-dad letting himself die instead of asking Clark to, like, save him in ten seconds) there is also nonsense about Superman being judged and framed and Lex Luthor doing...things...? And files on computers with teasers of the Justice League inside? From Lex Luthor? He works at WB?! :shock:

I haven't liked a super hero movie since Iron Man 3.
This Year In Film / Re: Justice League
« Last post by jenkins on November 20, 2017, 11:24:51 AM »
what's incoherent about the narrative?
Paul Thomas Anderson / Re: Phantom Thread
« Last post by jenkins on November 20, 2017, 11:24:01 AM »

huh, well. they're going to buy my ticket? i mean that's chill. i got one for a date that i might go, but i might not go (i never quite know)

Paul Thomas Anderson / Re: Phantom Thread
« Last post by greenberryhill on November 20, 2017, 11:15:20 AM »
New teaser!

The last scene reminds me of the  processing scene in The Master  :shock: 
Paul Thomas Anderson / Re: Phantom Thread
« Last post by Drenk on November 20, 2017, 11:02:53 AM »
This Year In Film / Re: Justice League
« Last post by Drenk on November 20, 2017, 09:58:04 AM »
Some people are blaming Whedon. I don't understand how you can not understand what hapenned or how you can imagine that a Snyder cut exists. The film was an unfinished mess and Whedon—a bad choice—had no time to finish it. I don't need to see it to know it probably doesn't work.

BvS is bad. Its ambition exists, but it's such nonsense that I don't see what is there to defend.
This Year In Film / Re: Justice League
« Last post by modage on November 20, 2017, 08:19:12 AM »
The upfront:
Lifelong DC Comics fan.
Mixed feelings about comic-book movies taking over the world.
Zach Snyder is more talented/distinctive/singular than he gets credit for.
BvS is one of the most unfairly maligned movies in recent memory. Not great but more interesting and ambitious than 90% of Marvel Studios films.

The bottom line:
Justice League is the worst comic book movie I've seen in 20 years, and maybe the worst I've ever seen.

Almost nothing about this film works. It's a visually hideous, narratively incoherent, tonally jarring, bungling of some of the best comic book characters of all time. A huge mess and a total waste of time and talent. But at least you don't have to wonder how this happened because that part is pretty clear.

I don't blame Snyder, I don't blame Whedon, I blame WB. And if you're even nominally a fan of these characters I don't see how this movie wouldn't make you angry at them for releasing this piece of shit. Reviewing this almost feels unfair, because the entire time it felt like I was watching an unfinished workprint (like when Wolverine was leaked years ago).

If Snyder had finished the movie, it may not have been great but it would have been finished. If WB cared at all about the quality of this film, they could've pushed the release date back a few months to March or May and given Snyder (or Whedon) time to finish the film. Instead they threw Whedon onto an unfinished film and said "do the best you can, the clock is ticking" and whatever state the movie was in come November, it was getting released. Pencils down. They literally didn't care what state it was in, as long as it came out this calendar year for whatever investors they had to appease.

I can't imagine Snyder watching this and feeling anything but sick at what they've released. In some sequences, like the opening fight on the rooftop, you can see that it could've been a cool stylized Snyder sequence but without the proper post-production work, it just looks like actors on a crappy set or in front of a greenscreen.

I'm sure Whedon also knows this is a piece of shit and I can't think of anyone less qualified to 'finish' a Snyder film on the VFX side. Every sequence of his is clearly a couple actors standing in front of a green screen quipping. Not exactly seamlessly integrated.

How on Earth WB didn't lay it down that Cavill had to shave his mustache and wear a fucking fake one for the remainder of Mission: Impossible 7 is BEYOND ME. A fake mustache is about a billion times less distracting than a fake SHAVED upper lip. This will be something that gets seized upon, and rightly so, but it's impossible to ignore.

Poor Henry Cavill. He could've been a good Superman if he had been given the chance. Instead he's killed off and brought back for almost no reason. In order to make this work (which it could have) this film just had to establish that after being demonized in BvS and sacrificing himself, thus becoming a martyr, his resurrection, while expected for the audience, should've at least been an emotionally satisfying moment and one that also established him as a true hero/Jesus to the public. No longer would he have to brood and be conflicted, he could've been more or less the true Superman symbol of hope. But unlike BvS this movie is so insular, that we get almost no sense of the outside world or anyone that exists outside of 5 Superheroes and Martha Kent, Lois Lane and Alfred. So instead of getting an emotionally resonant resurrection, we get a fucking gravedigging scene and half a scene of evil Superman fighting. Ugh.

Affleck cannot vacate this role quickly enough.

Flash could've been fun but not in this film.

Cyborg and Aquaman leave no impression.

If I were Gal Gadot I would be FURIOUS at WB for allowing this to happen. I would've been in that office on Monday morning going "never fucking again are you going to do that to me." If I were WB, I'd scrap everything but Gadot's Wonder Woman and start over. Burn it all down.

Final Thoughts:
Justice League makes BvS look like The Dark Knight. All the scorn aimed at that film should've been reserved for this.

It's a movie so awful, so lazy, so cynical, so incomplete, with such disregard for fans, that it made me hate comic book movies.
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